Our Sons Deserve Better Than Donald Trump’s Example of “Manhood”

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My son is 11 years old; bright and beautiful and fitted with a heart far larger than it has a right to be. He’s that kind of brilliantly alive that only an 11-year old boy can be.

And this year, we let him down.

Donald Trump did.
The GOP did.

The Evangelical Right did.
Much of America did.

I did.

This year, while so many people openly (and rightly) lamented the devastating effect Donald Trump’s disgusting treatment of women (and the inexplicable defending of said treatment) will have upon young girls looking on, we all forgot something: our sons were watching and listening too.

I’m not sure we’ve stopped to think about what kind of young men we’re creating right now.

I don’t know if we’ve considered the collateral damage this is doing within the boys in our collective care. 

I don’t think we can fathom what our sons in a Donald Trump America are likely to grow into:

Men with a dangerous sense of entitlement when it comes to the bodies of women.
Men for whom violent, hateful, objectifying words about women are viewed as normal.
Men who believe that money and power and their penises give them license to do whatever they want with a woman regardless of what she wants.
Men for whom the very idea of consent is unimportant.
Men who believe they will get rewarded for their misogyny and sexism and filth, because they’ve watched it happen.

This week my son asked me what Donald Trump said about women, and I did the best I could to relay it all without using the actual words, because to use the actual words Trump used, would have meant subjecting my son to the kind of explicit, angry vulgarity that isn’t normal and shouldn’t be normal for 11-year old boys—or boys of integrity of any age.

The words about women from a man who is now President, unfit to be repeated by a father to his son. Let that sink in for a minute. 

Trying to find any scenario in which any man talking about grabbing a woman by the genitalia and forcing himself on her physically is at all normal or acceptable, underscores the tragic absurdity of it all. It also illustrates the depths to which we’ve fallen and the sickness which is so pervasive; that our politics now so easily trumps our humanity.

The fact that a man with such a well-documented pattern of misogyny was the GOP representative for the highest office in the country (let alone garnering the support of millions of people who claim faith in Jesus) should be an embarrassment to any self-respecting parent and Christian. We should be sick to our stomachs right now, realizing how poisonous this all is to the hearts and minds of our boys. We should be openly condemning it all, if we had any regard for them and any interest in who they are becoming.

That so many fathers (and mothers) are not doing so, means that maybe Donald Trump is exactly the person to best represent us in the world. Maybe that is how low the bar we’ve set for our young men really is. Maybe the support for Trump is a true measure of the hatred so many men have toward women and the self-loathing too many of those women are afflicted with.

I have better dreams for my son than this.

I want him to know that girls and women are worthy of respect and decency and gentleness.
I want him to know that dehumanizing a woman is never normal; not in a locker room or a frat party or a board room or a bedroom.
I want him to know that another woman’s body is not his jurisdiction.
I want him to know that a woman’s outward no is louder than his internal yes.

I want him to know that there is a huge difference between being a man—and being a gentleman.

I believe my son deserves better than this week. All our sons do.

They deserve far better than a Donald Trump presidency. They deserve a higher definition of what it means to be a man, than an insulting, groping, bragging predator who treats women with complete disregard. 

They deserve a Christianity that isn’t as pliable as the Conservative Right and so many professed believers have made it in order to accommodate their candidate.

They also deserve better than to see adults making excuses for the words Trump has said and the things he’s done. They deserve parents, mentors, and role models who won’t sell their souls to align with a party or retain power.

One day my son will be a man, and I’ll be damned if I’m going to ever worry that he’s not a man who recognizes women as valuable and equal and worthy of respect, and I’m going to shout down all the voices that would speak something different into his ears, even if those voices are of family members, friends, pastors, and Presidential candidates.

Rationalizing sexual assault and violence toward women as just “boys will be boys”, is the best way to ensure that our boys grow-up to become abusive men who have contempt for women and believe that to be what all men do. I refuse to participate in that.

At this point, opposing this kind of language and behavior shouldn’t be seen as a political move—but a human decency move. There shouldn’t be an alternative side to choose here; not if we love our sons and daughters.

Right now my son and millions of other bright and beautiful boys with big hearts and bigger questions are watching and listening to Donald Trump, and to us.

He is failing them.

We can’t afford to.

 

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171 thoughts on “Our Sons Deserve Better Than Donald Trump’s Example of “Manhood”

  1. The big problem with this post is how one sided it is. Although the current firestorm is about Donald Trump, this is not only a Donald Trump problem. It is a Bill Clinton the serial rapist problem. It is a Hillary Clinton discredit your husband’s victims and call them trailer trash problem. It is a John Kennedy who appeared in Camelot and slept around problem. It is a Lyndon Johnson can’t keep it in my pants problem.

    To classify this as a Trump problem, or a Christian problem, or a Republican problem, is just not true. The Democrats are just as guilty. It is a men problem. It is a sin and fallen condition problem. It is a repentance and holiness problem.

    Your son deserves better, true. He also deserves to be told the truth and the whole truth. All of it. Lest he end up being a leftist bigot of the worst kind.

    • Evidently, you choose to overlook the most fundamental issue:

      Trump is running for President. Bill Clinton is not.

      Over and over and over, I have asked for evidence and facts to back up your assertions about Bill Clinton as a serial rapist and you never provide it.

      Let’s face it, John, you are really here only to be a troll. Otherwise you would provide actual evidence. But since all you have is what Fix News, probably, tells you. There is no evidence to offer as snopes.com proves.

      Go to snopes.com, search for “Bill Clinton rapist” and you will find two articles. One is about the alleged rape at Oxford, which is “unproven” with considerable doubt that he is guilty and the other is about the alleged rape of a thirteen year old Israeli child which snopes reveals as a lie created by Mossad.

      If you can’t provide actual evidence and facts and are only going to repeat lies, that makes you a troll.

      • Funny how all the witnesses to anything the clintons have ever been involved in that could get them into trouble are dead. Then suddenly with no witness there is no proof!

        • Matt, getting convinced you are a troll because you say things and you don’t back them up. Where’s your evidence that “all the witnesses are dead.” That is one pretty strong implication and yet you can’t back it up, can you?

          And you ignore facts offered that conflict with your pre-conceived ideas.

        • This is NOT about the Clintons. It’s about that supposedly president-elect who follows only his own rules and has no moral values who will lead this country as of January 20th. I will NEVER say he is my president. I am praying for this country. Some have been so whitewashed that you cannot see anything at all and accept this man’s lies.

      • Fundamental issue is our culture not one person. Too many men from ghetto slums to boardrooms to sports to everyday people all around you don’t see anything wrong with what used to be considered illicit behavior – whether while single or married. Don’t confuse one person with a widespread problem that daily affects lives on a much more personal level.

        • The problem focuses on that one person because he may be no worse than several others, but he’s the only one who is our Commander-in-Chief, head of state, and leader of our dominant political party. That makes him the worst influence in the country.

    • I agree! And though Bill Clinton is not NOW running for president, he was reelected after many misdeeds came to light, so why the big firestorm against Donald Trump now??? And let us not forget that we also don’t want our sons and daughters to think it is okay to lie, or steal, or cheat. Let’s face it….neither of the presidential candidates are role models of integrity for our children. But they are who we much choose between, so may we each prayerfully consider the big picture in determining for whom to cast our vote!

      • I agree w your comments. I think we teach our children ‘right from wrong’ first. Then, they can choose their own ‘role models’ accordingly.

        Any instance where someone does wrong action because ‘Mary’ did it too… is just making excuses to act selfishly, and already had the inclination & impetus.

        In this case of two very faulty characters, Trump & Clinton, voters know they have to bypass that aspect of their judgment. The funny thing is, it lines up exactly 50/50! (well, about) with each side still harping at each other.

        This isn’t a Boy Scout Character Merit Badge election. It’s Liberal Democrat vs Conservative Republican. Just like it always is.

      • Incorrect. Abraham Lincoln was a third party candidate, and we know how that went. Freed slaves and all. There are more than two options.

        • No, he was NOT a third party candidate. The Whig party imploded two years before he ran for President, thus leaving the then-conservative Southern Democratic party and his own more liberal Republican party as the two main parties.

    • TROLL ALERT

      Bill Clinton is not running for President. Wives are right to go after the women who mess with their husbands. Men shoot other men who mess with their wives—and they get applause for it. Trump is not holy. I do not like you and think you are a living piece of sh*t. Need I say more?

      • Here’s something that bemuses me. People won’t vote for Hillary because of Bill’s infidelities. People will vote for Trump with his current record of assault. That makes no sense. At best it is hypocritical. At worst it is cognitive dissonance so severe that professional help is necessary.

        • Where are the proven sexual assaults against Trump? Please provide detailed sources. Not woman who were jilted by Trump in the past and are looking for revenge but ones who came forward directly after any such assaults happened.

          • Please google: A Running List Of The Women Who’ve Accused Donald Trump Of Sexual Assault

            Please google: It’s No Mystery Why Trump’s Accusers Waited to Come Forward

            Please google: The Response To Trump’s Alleged Victims Is Why Women Don’t Come Forward

        • In all your ignorant replys to other individuals, you asks for proof, but where is YOUR PROOF that Trump has actually done anything? I could get ten men to say that you were inappropriate with them and make you look bad if I really wanted to. It’s funny none of Trump’s accusers came forward when it happened, but waited years until he was running for office. I believe it’s up to the parents to teach their children right from wrong and to teach them to treat everyone with respect. As a military man, Clinton angers and scares me, she’s left my comrades hanging too many times and she is just a liberal Democrat Obama troll, who will take as down a spiraling decline and destroy the America we grew up in. Everyone is worried about their children, I’m worried about them and their children, once Hillary opens up the borders and lets all the immigrants and refugees in without making sure they are not criminals. Luckily I can protect myself and my family, but I won’t be around forever. They only good thing is even if she wins, once they finish the Clinton Foundation investigation, she will be like Nixon, decide to resign, rather then be impeached. If you are voting for her just so we can have the first female president, you are ignorant, but you could always vote for the independent woman to get that result.

          • because that is what victims do… wait until the perpetrator is most vulnerable and then strike … to make that person feel just small and weak and helpless as they themselves felt when that person committed the crime…. but there again, Trump doesn’t even have the decency to feel guilt does he ?

      • Charles, people “going after” or “shooting other men” over an unfaithful partner is absolutely asinine. No one can own another person, and seriously, people have to have some self-respect and just walk away from the relationship. Obviously something was missing. We’re discussing people who have no moral compass and don’t value lives over money. To everybody: please vote third party, and while we may not make it this time, let’s make sure that this is the last election the US ever has using this archaic two-party system.

      • “Women who go after their husbands”?!!!! What about husbands that apparently are so weak they can’t resist those nasty women over and over again? The point is this has been a cultural deficiency for decades – from Playboy and Penthouse, but even before that French postcards and other things that men were drawn to. We just now are more likely to find out about the sins (you remember that concept?) that many men both famous and not may commit. The remedy? Early talks about respect, sex, and good examples directly around your child. But that means a lot more involvement than some parents are willing to put into raising their own children.

    • I totally agree. One sided. No one is denying that trump is a bad example. But why is everyone ignoring Hillary clintons ruthless pursuit of power. All the lies corruption, murder, slander of bills victims, the treatment of Benghazi victims families. The list goes on forever. We have ourselves a rich stuck up foul mouthed candidate in Trump. Not good. But we can’t ignore the truly evil candidate that is Hillary Clinton. Pure evil. She just lies and steps on the people of this country that need her most to get elected, and just like she has done time and time again she forgets about them until the next election.

      • Please provide sources from non-partisan sites that support your prejudicial comments about Hillary.

        I believe your issue with her is baseless. Four people were killed at an embassy when Republicans cut the budget for embassy guards. People were killed at 87 embassy attacks when Bush 2 was President and there is strong evidence that the Bush2 allowed 9/11/01 to happen. We invaded Iraq on a pack of lies, making the Bush2 administration war criminals.

        And you have the nerve to call a faithful Christian woman who has served the common good all her adult life “evil.”

        Primary sources to support your allegations. And there aren’t any because even Tom Gowdy admitted the sole purpose of the Benghazi hearings was a witch hunt that backfired cost the taxpayers of this country millions of dollars.

        • Are you paid by the campaign?So Trump can’t a good role model therefore elect Hillary because she can be. This lady believes you can ill your baby up until birth. she favors same sex marriage and there are and some credible people claims she is a lesbian, which might explain Bill’s behavior.

          • Comedy Ken, seriously? And her sexual identity matters, why? Would you prefer her and Bill to have popped out a few more kids? God save us all. The ignorance and suffering in this world are too much.

        • I am starting to think Gloria Allred is on this comment thread. Calling Hilary Clinton a “good Christian woman” would be laughable if not so tragic that you actually seem to believe it. “Good Christian Women” don’t think it is okay to cut a baby limb by limb from it’s mother’s womb at any point in the pregnancy. “Good Christian women” don’t value money over people. Whether you want to ignore the other things she has done is your choice. “Wag the dog” as they say. I’ve been around “good Christian women” all my life, and right about now I don’t have an ounce of respect for anyone who defends Hilary or Donald. Thankfully they and their supporters will be dead by the time my sons are running the country.

          • Wow. Harsh, much?

            Clearly, you believe all the lies that have been spread about Hillary. Also clearly you did not listen to what she said during the debate the other night.

        • Why is it you ask for proof on everyone’s posts, even though Hillary’s lies have b been well documented, yet you never provide any proof to back up your posts. Looks like we know who the troll is

    • Bill Clinton was a player. He was the worst kind of player. But to call him a “serial rapist,” aside from being over the top, is ridiculously untrue; as far as anyone was able to tell, none of the women he chased exactly complained about his attentions.

      Trump is a whole different species of animal. He has shown time and again that he views women as objects, as body parts that he can squeeze and grab as he sees fit.

      Now as far as Hillary Clinton’s reactions to her husband’s exploits goes, she handled herself as well as anyone could expect; she did not hide her pain, but neither did she make a spectacle of herself.

      Trump’s ex-wives don’t seem to have cared what he did; I don’t pretend to understand it, but there is something distinctly odd about a woman whose husband has cheated on her having little to no reaction whatever.

      • Well said, Scott. Trump seems to me to be one who embraced Hugh Hefner’s philosophy. I am not excusing what Bill Clinton did, but I emphasize “did.” His infidelities seem to be a thing of the past whereas Trump’s sexual assault continues to the present.

        As for Trump’s wives, ex and present apparently not caring about his philandering. The only reason they would care would be if they loved Trump. With an ego as big as Trump has, any woman who loved him would soon learn his ego comes first and I daresay that might disillusioned them. I don’t know, of course.

        Hillary loves Bill and for better or worse, she stuck by him.

        • I agree. The Trump marriages could have been social and financial arrangements more than loving relationships. Trump’s high profile, his money, his fame are attractive to a certain type of woman, willing to settle for a transactional relationship, rather than a love match. It’s hard to imagine Donald loving anyone but himself anyway.

          I have been impressed with Hillary Clinton’s courage and resilience for many years. She deserves credit for just surviving, let alone thriving. Her Wellesley College graduating class predicted that she would be the first woman President of the United States. Good guess? Or a prediction based on everything people knew about her at the time? I think the latter.

      • What about keeping private matters between husband and wife behind closed doors? I sure wouldn’t rely on the media to give fair and balanced information about my private life! Being respectful and dignified even through trying times is the most important thing a candidate’s family can do to support him or her. Anyone who cannot do this should not be in the public eye.

      • She created a team to slander the v women her husband a assaulted, that’s v worse b than b the v actual a assault, and now she wants v to claim she is ca champion of women. Give me a break. Trump never assaulted anyone, he has women in very high positions in his companies, and has the first women managing a presidential campaign

    • Sigh . . . Another one using the “look what you made me do” defense, blaming the victims and the subjects (‘sub’jects) for his own weakness. It IS a Republican problem, it IS a Christian problem when self-proclaimed Christian leaders attempt to defend the indefensible. I see what you did there – trying to suggest that it’s OK for Trump to commit sexual assault because “The Democrats are just as guilty.” Give me a break.

      But more than anything, it’s a TRUMP problem. He’s an epic failure, and bringing his defenders right down into the gutter, where he lives.

      And I’ll give you a hint, “john” – criticizing a woman for lashing out at the “other women” is equal to blaming her for her husband’s infidelities in the first place. That attitude isn’t going to serve you well in life.

    • Yes you are right. And I believe of all 3 Clinton was deservedly raked across the coals and impeached for it. JFK’s assasination is hardly atonement for his disgraceful womanizing, but obviously it stopped and was also a product called of the good old boy age . But to have the same folk that wanted Clinton impeached to become the apologists for this backward mysoginist is still beyond me. There is your full story right there.

    • Agree. And the argument that says we should focus on Trump solely because he is the president (now) is myopic. Sons are exposed to sinful and dangerous behavior tied to individuals who have greater impact in their lives than a president their father already uses as a cautionary tale on a weekly basis. We need to acknowledge that the problems described in this primary blog post, and rightly judged as wrong, have been seen in prominate leaders since the beginning of time. These sins are not new to the political arena generally, regardless of party affiliation, religious philosophy or any other criteria that has been targeted here. And it is not unique to just politics. A pastor should be capable of separating his biases in speaking wisdom to his children. And in how many more ways are you going to state the obvious – that Trump has issues. So does Hillary Clinton (but I know she is not president). L

    • Aaaannnd there it is again. Buck passing and diversion. This is not about the Clintons or Kennedys because they did not flaunt their behavior nor publicly repeat it over and over nor spew the kind of hatred that Trump and his ilk do continuously. The Evangelical right refuse to condemn trumps ugly behavior but divert insteam to once again, the Clintons.

      So many people I know,including responsible mainstream Christian Republicans do not let their children see or hear this sad excuse for a man Donald trump. His wife is even more pathetic Asa role model for any young girl or woman. She has no respect for herself and molds to her vile husbands every demand and mood.

      There is virtually nothing to admire about this couple. Trump is a draft dodging, liar, grifter and grafter , whose only drive is self agrandisement and preferably at the expense of others who he despises as less great and fortunate as himself. He is selling our country out from under us and ignoring our laws and constitution. He is aided and abetted in this by Republicans whose values are similar to his, money for themselves at the expense of the American taxpayer and their military industrial complex.

      We need to batten down the hatches as the winds of recession and or inflation rise once again thanks to republican greed and average poorly informed Americans, misled by liars like the disgraced O’Reiley, realize that the Christianity they believe in is dismally perverted by immensely immoral males. Do some Democrats meet this description, indeed but no where as hugely as Trump and his brand of Republicans. He is a shameless but shameful juvenile man whose morals match that of a stray Tom cat.

  2. What a handsome son you have, he definitely looks like dad.
    and I absolutely agree with you but… Hilary is our other choice, and that is completely unacceptable. So we teach our children by being the parents that they are going to emulate and learn from. We show them by word and action, and we show them how to forgive when someone apologizes for an word or action when they apologize as Donald Trump has done… Why? Its the Godly thing to do, and because our other choice… Hilary .. is totally unacceptable

    • Pray do tell why you think Hilary is totally unacceptable. I don’t understand that. And you think Trump is acceptable because he made a half-hearted apology that is untested and unproven. Makes no sense at all.

      • Thank you, Jem. There is no evidence that Hilliary is anything but one of the most qualified people to run for the Presidency. She is a decent person.

        We can’t say that about Trump.

      • Conservatives disagree with how Hillary mixes her left leaning Public Servanthood with Personal Wealth Building. We resent that she is now Left-left, when she use to be moderate, like most Americans. (I would have preferred her to Obama in 2008).

        We dislike how she mixes friends that do financial favors, [& expect financial gain] with the job we pay our Civil Servants to do.

        Conservatives disagree w/ Hillary’s policies. We don’t like her Foundation, and how it has collected $1 billion, but disperses very little to actual needy, after operating costs. We don’t like that she accepts $150+ million from human rights violators thru the back door, while she ‘criticizes’ them in public.

        Clinton’s net worth is about $110 million. (Each Clinton was paid $14 million for authoring a book, together they netted $153 million on speeches alone.)

        We are wary of her already powerful position in the world… built up over 4 decades of insider operating. We think she has woven a very tangled web. It’s proven she ducks honesty, when honesty is what is sorely needed. Her neurotic instinct to cover her tracks at all costs is a Red Flag to most (65%) Americans. Those closest to her know all this, but are still savoring the crumbs (quite large) that she throws them.

        Conservatives want economic restrictions to be lifted in private sector . We don’t consider government jobs (money pits) to be a help to the economy. Conservatives think like farmers; ‘good fences makes good neighbors’. And we want to re-build our Military back to a level of world strength. We want School vouchers, for inner city kids, school choice for all. We want to keep our Freedom of Speech, our Freedom of Religion, and Right to bear Arms.

        • There are so many lies in “Paul Inberea’s” comments…

          Clinton Foundation , Please google “Where Does Clinton Foundation Money Go?” for actual facts.

          Please compare to where the Trump Foundation money goes, please google ”
          How Donald Trump retooled his charity to spend other people’s money”

          Please note: conservatives support Trump despite his embezzlement and fraud and will not vote for Hillary even though the Clintion Foundation actually does disperse money to people in need.

          Please provide actual evidence from a non-partisan source for your claim that “We don’t like that she accepts $150+ million from human rights violators thru the back door, while she ‘criticizes’ them in public.” Because I can’t find any.

          “Paul In berea” wrote ” Clinton’s net worth is about $110 million. (Each Clinton was paid $14 million for authoring a book, together they netted $153 million on speeches alone.)”

          Conservatives fault the Clintons for having a net worth that is lower than what Trump claims is his? It’s ok for Trump to claim a net worth nine times this amount, although he refuses to release his tax returns, but it is a problem for the Clintons to be worth less than Trump? That makes n o sense.

          “Paul Inberea” writes ” We don’t consider government jobs (money pits) to be a help to the economy.” Despite the words of the Hebrew Prophets who faulted the kings of the Hebrew Scriptures for taking care of the poor.

          “And we want to re-build our Military back to a level of world strength.” Our military is already bigger than the next twenty countries combined. We don’t need a bigger military.

          “We want School vouchers, for inner city kids, school choice for all. ” Despite the expert voices of educators, economists etc who point out that school vouchers only help white kids. School vouchers are a tool of white privilege and will destroy inner city schools and education for anyone who lives in inner cities.

          Please google ” How to Destroy a Public-School System
          In Philadelphia, education reformers got everything they wanted. Look where the city’s schools are now.”

          Please google “Republicans Propose New Privatization Scheme That Would Destroy Public Schools”

          Please google “Trump’s Plan To Destroy Public Education”

          “We want to keep our Freedom of Speech, our Freedom of Religion, and Right to bear Arms.”

          Since there have been no Constutitonal Amendments that has removed the First and Second Amendments from the Constituion, these rights have in no way been abrogated, However, they cannot be translated to mean only hearing what you want to hear and to impose one’s religious beliefs on others in violation of the laws which say Usians may not discriminate.

          As for guns, why people get bent outta shape over background checks so that only those fit to carry arms can do so, I don’t know.

          Does “Paul Inberea” really believe that the people who plotted the following demonstrate they understand the responsibility of owneing weapons? PLease google “Christian Terrorists Arrested In Plot To Bomb Muslims”

          • OK I googled it and it has either been taken down or it links to FB pages that have no perceivable credibility. Sorry, the research you provided
            is terribly flawed.

            • Evidently, you are not one to research on your own. Since you dislike that one I offered, which is essentially the same as these, please google:

              USA Today headline
              Feds arrest 3 Kan. men in alleged bomb plot

              CBS News
              Militia members arrested in alleged plot targeting Muslims

              Washington Post:
              Three Kansas men calling themselves ‘Crusaders’ charged in terror plot targeting Muslim immigrants

              Then there are these men who demonstrate their lack of responsible gun ownership : “Armed Trump Supporters Protest In Front Of Democrat’s Campaign Office”

              Then there are these statistics which demonstrate how desperate is our need for gun control reform. Please google “Number of mass shootings in the United States between 1982 and 2016, by mass shooter’s race and ethnicity”

        • Just googled your statement and surprisingly they are 90% correct. There is no way to deny the clintons corruption. There is overwhelming evidence to support your claims. Great job!

      • She will load the Supreme Court with liberal judges. Second amendment rights could be in jeopardy. Stopping or slowing the injustice of abortion will be impossible.

    • Angie, you have really drunk the Kool-ais, haven’t you? All of the lies you perpetuate about Hillary have been proven untrue.

      This post has zero to do with Hillary and 100% to do with Trump. So let’s not drag red herrings. That is what trolls do.

      • Gloriamarie, why are you so snarky and dismissive of people who disagree with you? Why can’t you just state your opinion without throwing verbal barbs at folks with different opinions than yours. You don’t do your cause any service.

        • I don’t know how long you have been following this blog, but every time John P writes a post about Trump, someone always brings up the lies about Hillary, lies which have been disproven over and over and over again. Angie has been doing this for weeks now,.

          Why would i be anything but dismissive of lies?

          Trump is evil.

          • The way I see it, the only lies you have been dismissing are Hillary’s lies about emails and the accusations in all the thousands of Wikileaks. As to Trump being evil, I think you have confused sin with evil – they are not the same. He is most definitely a sinner – same as you and me.

        • See ‘About Me’ above.

          John Pavlovitz says all are welcome here to say ‘what they think needs to be said’ as a response to my ‘stuff that needs to be said’.

          He says, … ‘the ultimate truth lies somewhere in the middle.’

          In other words, this is a dialogue of opposing views, and John Pavlovitz thinks this a the way to truth. Why fight against his premise?

          Let’s open dialogue, not cancel dialogue.

          • Nope. Trolls are labeled trolls because of their choice of vocabulary and tone of voice.

            Your language here demonstrates why you are a troll, Benny.

    • “We show them by word and action, and we show them how to forgive when someone apologizes for an word or action when they apologize as Donald Trump has done…”

      When precisely did that man EVER apologize for ANYTHING he said or did?

      • Scott, may I be allowed to amend your question to “When precisely did that man EVER sincerely apologize for ANYTHING he said or did?”

  3. Yes, John P, the sons of the USA and the entire world deserves an example of what it is to be a Godly man and it is not Trump.

    It is quite the day when our news programs have to be prefaced with “This story contains language that may not be suitable for all audiences.”

    Additionally if we want our sons and daughters to grow up to be Godly people who love their neighbors, we also must teach them other things are wrong:

    Bigotry;
    condescending language;
    discrimination;
    disrespectful language;
    distrust of an educated populace;
    gun violence;
    gynophobia;
    homophobia;
    intolerance of a different opinion;
    invalidating language;
    Islmaphobia;
    judgementalism;
    misogyny;
    obsession over one issue;
    patronizing language;
    racism;
    sexism;
    white supremacy;
    transgenderphobia;
    xenophobia.

    All of the above are wrong and have no place among Godly people.

  4. Thank you for your post. While I agree with some posters here that this level of sinfulness is bipartisan, Mr. Trump (as President or even as Celebrity) should be a role model for our children, which most definitely he is not.

  5. Yes! So very true, John. It is so sad that an election for the presidency of what could be considered the leading nation in the world is soiled by so much that is degrading in the extreme.

    I read too that the CEO of PayPal has made some astronomical contribution to the Trump or Republican fund. This is so twisted and devastatingly damaging. Can you comment on that?

  6. Just saw this article from the National Catholic Reporter:

    Trump’s lead among white males raises concern

    Mariam Williams | Oct. 17, 2016 At the Intersection

    A certain statistic has been making its way across the internet since it appeared on Nate Silver’s blog FiveThirtyEight: if only men voted, GOP candidate Donald Trump would win the election, 350 electoral votes to 188 for Hillary Clinton.

    Silver based his electoral map on the gender split in a recent Public Religion Research Institute poll conducted on behalf of The Atlantic. The FiveThirtyEight map doesn’t include race in its breakdown, but Trump averages about 2 percent among black voters, and according to the PRRI poll Silver references, “Trump has a huge lead among white men with no college degree, 65-22, but also leads among college-educated white men, who back him at 46 percent to Clinton’s 39 percent.”

    In other words, if white men were the only people who voted, Trump would take all but about a dozen states, or almost 75 percent of the country.

    Throughout the vast majority of U.S. history, white men were the only people who voted because they were the only ones who could, and most of them didn’t use their right to make laws that would improve life for anyone who wasn’t a white man, and preferably, a wealthy white man. Given that our country is structured so that citizens are voiceless in the democratic process without a vote, our history means there was a time when white men had unchecked power.

    And now we have a candidate for leadership of the free world who is a wealthy white man and who has said, to a live audience, he could “stand in the middle of Fifth Avenue and shoot somebody,” and still not lose any voters; who has bragged, into a hot microphone, that he can sexually assault women, that as a celebrity, women “let” him “do anything”; and who has threatened, during a live town hall debate, to imprison his political opponent upon his victory.

    I fear that a time of unchecked power is what most, if not all, of the men supporting Donald Trump want to return to. I don’t believe that under a Trump presidency, Congress would reinstitute slavery, nor do I believe the 19th Amendment would be rescinded, as some Trump supporters wish. But I do believe Trump’s violent rhetoric and sexually aggressive, hyper-masculine, entitled behavior has given the white men who would vote for him permission to return to openly expressing a craving for power and a sense of entitlement that is dangerous to anyone who isn’t a white, heterosexual man, or who doesn’t identify as such. I am concerned that, whether they are conscious of it or not, the white men who would vote for Trump have never fully accepted women and people of color as equals, and that this inability to accept equality has spurred resentment at every step of progress people not traditionally in power have made.

    I hear you. This is a different era from those times when women couldn’t vote, own property or hold credit in their name, you say. This is a different time from when treating black people and other people of color as if they weren’t human was the norm, you say. But it isn’t. As I was reminded when I watched the documentary 13th, oppression just morphs so that new forms of inequality flourish. For example, race-based oppression has gone from enslavement to convict leasing, from convict leasing to Jim Crow and segregation, from that to jailing people who protested segregation, from there to the Southern Strategy, to the War on Drugs, to the myth of the savage black super-predator, to mass incarceration, to the school-to-prison pipeline, to who knows what next, all in the name of maintaining capitalism and the power of the people who hold the most government offices and the most wealth: white men.

    To its credit, the lower-key racism, the dog-whistles of welfare queens and warnings of violent crime on the rise (it’s not), feel more comfortable than what I imagine racism and sexism of the past to have been. There is a pleasant sensation of possibility and almost acceptance when you don’t fit the mold, when you are educated and successful, when you aren’t the criminal. And there is an equally euphoric illusion of safety when one’s body is not under constant physical threat. Police shootings and street harassment notwithstanding, I think but don’t worry about what might happen to me as I walk between my apartment building and my destination. But the euphoria is an illusion.

    Trump’s candidacy is not an illusion. Nor is history. Nor is the moment we’re in right now, a moment in which we can ask ourselves: What do I really believe about equality? What will life look like come January 2017 for people whose race, sex, gender identity, sexuality or income differ from mine? And do I care?

    [Mariam Williams is a Kentucky writer living in Philadelphia and pursuing an MFA in creative writing at Rutgers University-Camden. She is a contributor to the anthology Faithfully Feminist and blogs at RedboneAfropuff.com. Follow her on Twitter: @missmariamw.]

    https://www.ncronline.org/blogs/intersection/trumps-lead-among-white-males-raises-concern

      • “Benny” has frequently commented that “Catholics this” and Catholics that.”

        I am merely pointing him in the direction of an article written by a Catholic to a Catholic audience.

        As many white people have already written this way about blacks and other minorities and given how the bigots, racists, and white supremacists have flocked to Trump’s standard, then I am very sad to say, “Oh, it flies.”

        • Haha. You are the ultimate troll Gloriamarie! Now the email comes out showing hilllaries dislike of Catholics. It has to be hard to be a Hillary cheerleader when there’s so much eveidence of her evil that keeps coming out. Sorry just can’t help but notice how much you hate trump. I don’t like him either but he is a saint when you stand him next to either of the clintons. It’s obvious you hate your enemies. Truth is the new hate speech.

          • “Now the email comes out showing hilllaries dislike of Catholics.” I dare you to prove it from a non-partisan source.

            “It has to be hard to be a Hillary cheerleader when there’s so much eveidence of her evil that keeps coming out. ”

            Prove it with evidence from a non-partisan source.

  7. The usual build a straw man and then knock it down. Nobody who is supporting Trump supports his previous unacceptable behavior. Nobody is voting for him to be a role model for our sons. It would be nice to have that too, but we have to be realistic and practical. We’re voting for the greater good for our country. We’re voting for policy. We’re voting for the integrity of the Supreme Court.

    What would JP tell his son about the Monica Lewinsky affair? This happened while in office. That story couldn’t have been told to a boy. That behavior for a man in the highest office in the world was not good-example material.

    The liberal pro-Clinton press is doing a fine job of accommodating JohnP, however. With their selective, phony, one-sided moral outrage they are taking down a candidate and invalidating support for policy. But if this candidate had had a “D” behind his name, he would have been given clear sailing, and they would have blown up something else about his opponent. JohnP would have given him a pass too, so long as he was politically correct. If Ted Cruz had been the nominee, there would be wall-to-wall coverage about the day he pulled a girl’s pigtails in third grade. This is what the liberal press does. There is plenty on Hillary and her scandals, but they use this as an excuse to ignore them.

    JohnP–YOU be the role model for your son. Trump won’t be. Hillary and her Husband certainly aren’t qualified. Would you want your son to be an adulterer and womanizer like Bill Clinton?

    There is so much more to Christianity than being “against” stuff. This is the “stuff that needs to be said”? That Democrats are good and Republicans are bad? That Christians who vote for morally flawed candidates are supporting those flaws? That all Christians are bad people except for JohnP and his tiny flock?

    I’m not voting for a pro-abortion candidate for president. I won’t be guilted into that. There are other policy reasons I support Trump as well. They are important to me and for the greater good of the country.

    My sons learned about being good men from me and from their religious upbringing. They didn’t need a president or the government to teach them morality. They wouldn’t have needed JohnP to preach it either, especially since he doesn’t preach the Gospel. His doctrine is Liberal Democrat. Their morality when it comes to sexuality is “safe sex.” That’s good? That’s respectful? Their “solution” is to shower young people with condoms and pills, equating “safety” with “morality.” I don’t see any good examples there either.

    It’s looking bad for Trump right now. The press has put Trump’s personal life under a gigantic magnifying glass and has swept the plethora of Hillary Clinton indiscretions under the carpet. The American people deserved a chance to vote according to policy, but instead we are being sold a bill of goods and are being told to vote according to how many alleged sins someone has committed. It’s hypocritical and unfair, but it seems to be working, and it seems to me that the press and the Democrats are the real perps here, and as they point their fingers at Donald Trump they proceed to BLEEP the American people on a grand scale.

    • TROLL ALERT

      This person attributes all sorts of evil to John P, promises to vote for Trump while ignoring all the evil that is Trump:

      Bigotry;
      condescending language;
      discrimination;
      disrespectful language;
      distrust of an educated populace;
      gun violence;
      gynophobia;
      homophobia;
      intolerance of a different opinion;
      invalidating language;
      Islmaphobia;
      judgementalism;
      misogyny;
      obsession over one issue;
      patronizing language;
      racism;
      sexism;
      white supremacy;
      transgenderphobia;
      xenophobia.

      A vote for Trump is a vote for all of the above.

    • I think your post makes a lot of sense. No one can defend Trumps many salacious remarks, I will not even try, in fact, I do not need to. I am not voting for Donald Trump to become a role model for anyone’s son or daughter – that remains their parents job. I am voting for Trump because this is a binary election and I refuse to vote for HRC for a number of reasons, not least of which is my desire to save the SCOTUS from the activist judges that HRC would appoint, and more importantly, I will not vote for a candidate who is complacent in the murder of a full term human being moments before taking their first breath of air. Any Christian who votes for anyone other than Trump will also be complacent in these murders! That’s how it works. May God have mercy on us all.

      • Benny constantly defends Trump. He has never once admitted that Trump has any vile character flaws.

        A vote for Trump is a vote for:
        Bigotry;
        condescending language;
        discrimination;
        disrespectful language;
        distrust of an educated populace;
        gun violence;
        gynophobia;
        homophobia;
        intolerance of a different opinion;
        invalidating language;
        Islmaphobia;
        judgementalism;
        misogyny;
        obsession over one issue;
        patronizing language;
        racism;
        sexism;
        white supremacy;
        transgenderphobia;
        xenophobia.

        • Considering what Scalia was in favor of, it sounds as if you are in favor of the same things which were:
          Bigotry;
          condescending language;
          discrimination;
          disrespectful language;
          distrust of an educated populace;
          gun violence;
          gynophobia;
          homophobia;
          intolerance of a different opinion;
          invalidating language;
          Islmaphobia;
          judgementalism;
          misogyny;
          obsession over one issue;
          patronizing language;
          racism;
          sexism;
          white supremacy;
          transgenderphobia;
          xenophobia.

    • Benny. For once, you and I agree on something—finally. Yes, the massive, towering, and overwhelmingly large liberal media in just about all of its sectors (TV, Cable TV, newspapers, Internet, blogs, etc.) are ganging up on Trump. They are clearly and unequivocally on a premeditated mission of firm intent to ensure the destruction of the Trump campaign and to ensure that Trump will never be elected President of the United States. I have a lot of time on my hands these days—unfortunately—and I am able to examine a lot of different news sources in far greater depth than most people would ever imagine doing. I have been especially on the lookout for this concern of yours over the past couple of weeks—they are indeed consciously out to get Trump—no doubt about it—none whatsoever.

      But I can tell you why they are doing it. Thomas Jefferson once said that if he had to choose between having newspapers and having a free government, he would choose the newspapers. Ever since 1932, people have asked the question: “Knowing what you know now, if you had been in a position to kill Hitler and get away with it prior to 1932, would you have done it?” Most people answer that: “Yes.”

      Most of the American news media have decided that Donald Trump is just as dangerous as Hitler in his own unique way, and they have made a unified backroom decision to (figuratively speaking) kill off his candidacy and thus ensure that he will never be in a position to do Hitler-like damage to the United States of America and other countries who are our friends and allies. They are being quite successful at doing this, and the deluge of fire on Trump (while either ignoring Hillary’s faults or giving them only passing lip service) will increase and continue relentlessly until the last polling place is closed on November 8, 2016. Their success is measurable in the continually dropping Nate Silver numbers—the Senate is likely going Democrat—and the House of Representatives has become a real worry for Republicans over the past couple of weeks because of some rarely reported down trending that is occurring there—concern over down-ticket Republican voters switching to Clinton.

      You and I can keep an eye on this over the next three weeks—but I agree with you. This is indeed what is happening.

      • P.S. The best presidential candidate this year would have been a person who had the best traits of Trump and Hillary. I agree with Trump on economics/jobs and national defense, but I also agree with Hillary on social policy. The Bible speaks of a man who knew exactly what to do to save a city when it was under siege. But he was a lowly man and no one in power in the city knew who he was. Only God knew him. That man or woman should have stepped forward in 2016—-but he/she did not—and here we are in the thick of all this national mess. Just in case you did not know, I am one of the millions of angry Americans who would like a good-paying, full-time job with benefits—but cannot find one in an economy that is still a wreck for new college graduates and anyone who wants more than a fast food job that will not pay the bills. I have been out of work for three years now.

        • Charles, please google what a Nobel Prize laureate has to say about Trump’s economic “policy.”

          Nobel Prize-Winning Economist Says Donald Trump Doesn’t Get Econ 101

          Also this: Trump’s National Security Policy Would Look Like a High School Model U.N.

      • What liberal media?

        “15 things everyone would know if there were a liberal media By David Akadjian

        1. Where the jobs went.

        Outsourcing (or offshoring) is a bigger contributor to unemployment in the U.S. than laziness.

        Since 2000, U.S. multinationals have cut 2.9 million jobs here while increasing employment overseas by 2.4 million. This is likely just the tip of the iceberg as multinational corporations account for only about 20% of the labor force.

        When was the last time you saw a front-page headline about outsourcing?

        2. Upward wealth redistribution and/or inequality.

        In 2010, 20% of the people held approximately 88% of the net worth in the U.S. The top 1% alone held 35% of all net worth.

        The bottom 80% of people held only 12% of net worth in 2010. In 1983, the bottom 80% held 18% of net worth.

        These statistics are not Democrat or Republican. They are widely available to reporters. Why aren’t they discussed in the “liberal” media?

        3. ALEC.

        If there was a corporate organization that drafted laws and then passed them on to legislators to implement, wouldn’t you think the “liberal” media would report on them?

        The American Legislative Exchange Council (ALEC) is such an organization. Need legislation drafted? No need to go through a lobbyist to reach state legislatures anymore. Just contact ALEC. Among other things, ALEC is responsible for:

        Stand Your Ground laws
        Voter ID laws
        Right to Work laws
        Privatizing schools
        Health savings account bills which benefit health care companies
        Tobacco industry legislation
        Many legislators don’t even change the proposals handed to them by this group of corporations. They simply take the corporate bills and bring them to the legislative floor.

        This is the primary reason for so much similar bad legislation in different states.

        Hello … “liberal media” … over here!!!

        They’re meeting in Chicago this weekend. Maybe the “liberal media” will send some reporters.

        4. The number of people in prison.

        Which country in the world has the most people in prison?

        You might think it would be China (with 1+ billion people and a restrictive government) or former Soviets still imprisoned in Russia.

        Wrong. The United States has the most people in prison by far of any country in the world. With 5% of the world’s population, we have 25% of the world’s prisoners – 2.3 million criminals. China with a population 4 times our size is second with 1.6 million people in prison.

        In 1972, 350,000 Americans were in imprisoned. In 2010, this number had grown to 2.3 million. Yet from 1988 – 2008, crime rates have declined by 25%.

        Isn’t anyone in the liberal media interested in why so many people are in prison when crime has dropped? WTF “liberal media”?

        5. The number of black people in prison.

        In 2009, non-Hispanic blacks, while only 13.6% of the population, accounted for 39.4% of the total prison and jail population.

        In 2011, according to FBI statistics, whites accounted for 69.2% of arrests.

        Numbers like these suggest a racial bias in our justice system.

        To me, this is a much bigger story than any single incident like Travyon Martin. Or, at the very least, why didn’t the “liberal media” ever mention this while covering the Martin story?

        6. U.S. health care costs are the highest in the world.

        The expenditure per person in the U.S. is $8,233. Norway is second with $5,388.
        Total amount of GDP spent on health care is also the highest of any country in the world at 17.6 percent. The next closest country is the Netherlands at 12%.

        As a liberal, I’d like to ask why the market isn’t bringing down costs. I’d think a “liberal” media might too.

        7. Glass-Steagall.

        Glass-Steagall separated risky financial investments from government backed deposits for 66 years.

        The idea is simple. Banks were prohibited from using your federally insured savings to make risky investments.

        Why is this a good idea?

        Risky investments should be risky. If banks can use federally insured funds, there is no risk to them. If they win, they win. If they lose, we cover the cost.

        8. Gerrymandering.

        When was the last time you saw a front page headline about gerrymandering?

        Before the 2010 election, conservatives launched a plan to win control of state legislatures before the census. The idea was to be in power when national congressional districts were redrawn in order to fix them so Republicans would win a majority of districts.

        The Redistricting Majority Project was hugely successful. In 2012, Barack Obama was elected President by nearly 3.5 million votes. In Congressional races, Democrats drew nearly 1.4 million more votes than Republicans yet Republicans won control of the House 234 seats to 201 seats.

        How is this possible?

        By pumping $30 million into state races to win the legislatures, Republicans redrew state maps in states such as Arizona, Michigan, North Carolina, Pennsylvania, Virginia, Texas, Florida and Ohio to place all of the Democrats into just a few districts.
        In this manner, Democrats win heavily in a couple districts and lose the rest.

        In North Carolina, the statewide vote was 51 percent Democrat and 49 percent Republican yet 9 Republicans won and only 4 Democrats.

        Where is your coverage of this vote stealing, “liberal media”? You’re willing to cover voter ID laws, why can’t you cover real vote stealing?

        9. The number of bills blocked by Republicans in Congress.

        The filibuster has been used a record number of time since Obama was elected President. From 2008-2012, 375 bills weren’t even allowed to come to a vote in the Senate because Republicans threatened the filibuster.

        In 2013, during the first 6 months, Congress has only passed 15 bills that were signed into law. This is 8 fewer than in the first 6 months of 2012 and 19 fewer than 2011.

        Also, until the Senate recently threatened to reform the filibuster, the GOP had succeeded in holding up 79 of President Obama’s picks to the U.S. Circuit Court and Courts of Appeal. They’re blocking these appointments regardless of qualification.

        Where’s the coverage? Where are the reporters asking why nothing is getting done?

        * crickets *

        10. The Citizens’ United Supreme Court decision

        In a 2011 Hart poll, only 22% of those polled had actually heard of the Citizens’ United decision before taking the survey.

        If 77% believe that corporations have more control over our political process than people, why isn’t the liberal media talking more about the Citizens’ United decision?

        11. Nixon’s Southern Strategy.

        The Southern Strategy is a strategy for gaining political power by exploiting the greatest number of ethnic prejudices. Kevin Philips, Republican and Nixon campaign strategist, speaking about this strategy in a 1970 interview with the New York Times:

        From now on, the Republicans are never going to get more than 10 to 20 percent of the Negro vote and they don’t need any more than that…but Republicans would be shortsighted if they weakened enforcement of the Voting Rights Act. The more Negroes who register as Democrats in the South, the sooner the Negrophobe whites will quit the Democrats and become Republicans. That’s where the votes are. Without that prodding from the blacks, the whites will backslide into their old comfortable arrangement with the local Democrats.
        This strategy has been used since President Johnson and Democrats in Congress passed the Civil Rights Act to build the Republican party.
        Examples of this strategy were evident as recently as 2008 and 2012 as Republicans took up their assault on Medicaid, Social Security, labor unions, and Obamacare – programs which, though they benefit more white seniors, retirees, women, and children, have been sold to many Americans as handouts to lazy, undeserving blacks and minorities.

        Yet you never hear the “liberal media” (at least since the 1970 NY Times) talking about the use of this strategy. At least not like this:

        “P (President) emphasized that you have to face the fact that the whole problem is really the blacks. The key is to devise a system that recognizes this while not appearing to.” – H.R. Haldeman’s diary, President Richard Nixon’s White House Chief of Staff
        12. Tax cuts primarily benefit the wealthy.
        A progressive tax program is designed to tax people very little as they are starting out and progressively increase their rates as they do better.

        Republican plans seem designed to do exactly the opposite: shift the tax burden off of the wealthy and onto working people.

        Take the repeal of the estate tax. In Ohio this was recently repealed by Republicans. The benefit is only realized by people with estates larger than $338,000 (as the first $338k was exempt) and realized most by people with even wealthier estates.

        This also explains why Republicans want to shift the system from income taxes to consumption taxes. Consumption taxes are paid most by those at the bottom as basic consumption remains the same regardless of income.

        It also explains why capital gain taxes are so low. Income through capital gains is only taxed at 20% (increased from 15% in 2012) instead of at the rate of other income (closer to 35%).

        It also explains why Republicans were so willing to let the payroll tax cut expire. The payroll tax cut benefited people who were getting paid, not those issuing the paychecks. How much fight did you see to save this tax cut?

        While tax cuts are sold to us as benefiting everyone, they really benefit a select few at the very top.

        If everyone knew who tax cuts really benefit, would so many people vote for them?

        13. What’s happening to the bees?

        40-50% of commercial U.S. bee hives were lost this year to colony collapse disorder.

        This seems like an odd one to include, why is this important?

        The Agriculture Department says a quarter of the American diet depends on pollination by honeybees.

        Dating from 2006, colony collapse disorder is a relatively new problem. More “liberal media” coverage might push the urgency of the issue.

        Instead here’s a typical media story about bees: Thousands of Bees Attack Texas Couple, Kill Horses.

        14. The impact of temporary workers on our economy.

        The number of temporary workers has grown by more than 50 percent since the recession ended to nearly 2.7 million.

        If freelancers, contract workers, and consultants are included, the number is nearly 17 million workers not directly employed by the companies who hire them. This equals 12 percent of the workforce.

        What’s the impact of a “just in time” workforce on workers and our economy? How about that for a story “liberal media”?

        15. Media consolidation

        Six corporations – Time Warner, Disney, News Corporation, Viacom, Comcast, and CBS – control roughly 90% of the media in the U.S.

        These companies are in business to make a profit.

        This is why you’ll find plenty of advertisements in the media. Entertainment? Check. Sports? Definitely. Weather? Yep.

        You’ll also find plenty of “if it bleeds, it leads” stories designed to hook you in. Vendors, witnesses recall Venice hit-and-run horror. Fort Hood trial turns bizarre as shooter grills witnesses.

        There’s also plenty of political bickering: Democrats said this, Republicans said that. We let you decide (but we never weigh in with any facts or fact-checking).

        What won’t you hear? You won’t hear the “liberal media” discuss the corporate media.

        What to make of this

        If the media were “liberal,” it would serve the public interest and shine a light on issues like the ones above.

        More people would also have a better understanding of global warming, peak oil, population growth, political lobbying, government’s role in a functioning economy, how much we spend on the military, and countless other issues.

        What you’re more likely to see in the media, however, are stories designed to get you to buy their paper, or watch their show, or listen to their radio station. If it bleeds, it ledes. This is why the media is concerned with scandal, celebrities, gossip, and fear.

        If anything, our news consists of paid advertisements and outlets too scared of offending anyone to publish much of substance. Investigative journalism is also expensive; entertainment is cheap.

        The way this corporate media behaves may not be surprising. I apologize if you feel any of this is beating you over the head.

        This Buzzfeed-style list wasn’t intended to introduce this idea as new (others have done a much better job), but rather to highlight the sheer absurdity of a “liberal media” for an audience who may not see it.

        One way to approach the topic is to simply ask: If we have a “liberal media,” where are the liberal stories?

    • Who’s drinking the koolaid now? Evil is evil and sin is sin. You think God is giving you brownie points because your voting for Trump? God is in control of those who are in control, and He’s not anxious about who gets on the Supreme Court.

  8. First, I love John P and agree with this blog… especially as the mother of three sons. I will not vote for Donald Trump for all the reasons which John stated (and Gloriamarie reiterated above), even knowing that Hillary Clinton has made some bad judgment calls and knowing Bill Clinton as president also was involved in sexcapades with various women before and during his presidency. (But again, Bill Clinton is not running for president.)

    I have many democratic and republican friends who are voting for Hillary and feel the way I do about how totally wrong Donald Trump is for president. I also have friends who are voting for Donald Trump. One is a male friend, Dave, who has three sons and has raised them to be fine Christian men. He also is a dedicated husband and takes care of his parents and in-laws, is raising a nephew, and has the biggest heart of anybody I know. So when I read responses by people like Benny, I understand what he means when he says that it is up to us as parents to teach our children morals, not the president. I believe his response was well thought out and don’t believe that his not agreeing with John P makes him a troll.

    I fear for our country and I pray. This election has caused more damage among families and friendships than any I can remember. I do not support Donald Trump and believe he is a horrible example for all of us. He will not get my vote. Having said that, I believe everybody has a right to their opinion. My friend Dave is a man of strong integrity and it would be an insult to judge him based on his presidential choice. I believe as Christians we can have differing opinions without showing each other disrespect. May God guide us all to do the right thing for the right reasons.

    • Thank you. Christians can vote for Trump for a variety of reasons. That doesn’t mean they accept things he did or “allegedly” did, just as there might be good reasons to vote for Hillary even though she’s a proven liar and would enact bad policies.

      • I do not believe anyone who loves Jesus can possibly vote for a candidate who espouses evil, as Trump does. Here is a partial list of his evils:

        Bigotry;
        condescending language;
        discrimination;
        disrespectful language;
        distrust of an educated populace;
        gun violence;
        gynophobia;
        homophobia;
        intolerance of a different opinion;
        invalidating language;
        Islmaphobia;
        judgementalism;
        misogyny;
        obsession over one issue;
        patronizing language;
        racism;
        sexism;
        white supremacy;
        transgenderphobia;
        xenophobia.

        A vote for Trump is a vote for all of the above.

          • Since the RCC has taught you to be

            Bigotry;
            condescending language;
            discrimination;
            disrespectful language;
            distrust of an educated populace;
            gun violence;
            gynophobia;
            homophobia;
            intolerance of a different opinion;
            invalidating language;
            Islmaphobia;
            judgementalism;
            misogyny;
            obsession over one issue;
            patronizing language;
            racism;
            sexism;
            white supremacy;
            transgenderphobia;
            xenophobia.

            And women are still second-class citizens, I’ll remain Episcopalian where when we say “all are welcome” we mean every shade, color, corm of “all” that is possible, where we are taught to love our neighbors and not to hate as you have obviously learned to do there.

            BTW, is your real name is Danny, and since Paul Inberea posted yesterday as Danny R, are you and Paul the same person?

            • No, I am not either, though that’s none of your business. You din’t leave Catholicism because of “hate.” There is no hate there. There is no bigotry. All are welcome. Usually people leave the Church because they want to do something the Church says is a sin.

              We receive the true Body and Blood of Jesus. You don’t get that in your church. Why would you leave that behind?

              • benny, i was raised a catholic and it turned me away from god. I tried an evangelical church but couldn’t refrain from thinking for myself. I read what JohnP writes about god and consider the possibility that maybe there is a god and maybe he is not as awful as the catholics and evangelicals seem to think. What is the point of heaven if you really don’t want to go there because you don’t think you will like the people? People like you and paul and all the different people you both pretend to be, turn people away from god. I don’t think either of you are here for anything other than political reasons. Reading the crap people like you write has become the cost of reading JohnP. In all the time i have been reading his stuff you have never said anything that has made me think or reconsider anything. Why are you here? It is not to educate or to bring people to god. Either you are a political troll or you are here to feed an unattractive aspect of yourself. I know you won’t stop but I wish you would. You obviously don’t serve god, just yourself. Gloriamarie, you are getting sucked in. I think it helpful to point out when trolls are using different names and why they are doing it but they don’t deserve your passion. save that for the real people

                • I post here because JohnP bashes Christians unfairly. What is “awful” about the God of the Catholic Church (which happens to be your God too)?

                • Daisy, thank you for your consideration of me. You are, of course, quite right.

                  I don’t know where you live, but if I may, The Episcopal Church is a lovely place to be.

                  • This is what I found about your church:

                    “While the Episcopal Church recognizes a woman’s right to terminate her pregnancy, the church condones abortion only in cases of rape or incest, cases in which a mother’s physical or mental health is at risk, or cases involving fetal abnormalities. The church forbids “abortion as a means of birth control, family planning, sex selection or any reason of mere convenience.”

                    Why don’t you listen to them? I don’t agree with killing babies because they were the result of rape or incest, but this is a much better position than killing them for the sake of convenience or as a form of “birth control.”

                    Your church has some compassion for the unborn. Why as a member of that church don’t you?

      • I think both candidates can share the “proven liar” title.

        We have a local realtor who has a large billboard showing a picture of Hillary on one side, Donald Trump on the other. It simply says, “Moving to Canada soon? Let me sell your house.”

        I think tolerance as well as a bit of humor would serve us well during this election.

        Blessings to all of you,

        • We’ve had plenty of good laughs at our house re this election cycle. It’s hilarious. Egregious too. I see the whole picture as society crumbling around our ears… and exponentially fast too.

          The deconstruction of Truth is pressing in from all sides, and it isn’t pretty is it? This is a foreshadowing of what life will be like when God takes his hands off completely. Christ is coming soon to take his Church. Hope in Jesus. Stay sober and alert.

  9. John, you are so right again.

    One of the most puzzling aspects of the Trump phenomenon is how he and supporters can obfuscate, twist and compare to others so that they might seem to make it okay to never face the truth.

    Trump makes his own bed in that no one has to make up anything in order for us to know everything about him. He is a master at self aggrandizement, deceit, blaming others and fraud.

    He is an empty vessel trying to be important by blaming others for his own lack of character and ability to be human with compassion.

    • To turn on Trump is to support Hillary Clinton. What is so great about her? Why is she morally and politically superior? Why shouldn’t policy be the basis for support of a candidate?

      • TROLL ALERT for so many reasons. One is having drunk the kool-aid that Trump has policies when every expert has demonstrated how destructive are Trump’s policies.

  10. Of course your son deserves a better role model than these dredged up glimpses into DT’s character reveal. What you fail to mention is that, he also deserves better than the lying, criminally corrupt Clintons, and their pathetic example of model behavior. Perhaps he should look more to Christ as an example of how to behave – that’s the only standard that counts and by that standard we all fail miserably. This is arguably the most important election in our nations history but, it is a binary election – there is no candidate who can serve as an adequate role model for your son. More to the point, the choice can not be about character alone, (who is better, who is worse). It should be about policy and, therein I look to a very character flawed DT as an example of a politician who wants to cut taxes, appoint non-activist judges to the SCOTUS, create jobs to repair the economy, and restore our nations credibility, and respect on the world stage.

    • JP makes many anti-Trump posts, but never makes a case for Hillary. I’d like to know why Hillary should be so appealing. I don’t think that she’s “not Trump” is sufficient.

  11. This is very well written, although I question your description of “self-loathing” on the part of women. This makes it seem as though women are somehow partly responsible for men’s behavior. It is MEN’s self-loathing that causes them to act this way. Michelle Obama said it best when she said men who feel good about themselves do not speak of women the way Trump does.

    • I think that boorish behavior comes from men that think too highly of themselves –as opposed to their ‘self-loathing’.

  12. Cathi, a few days ago the issue of women’s self-loathing was addressed in a different blog post and I think that is John P’s context.

  13. you’re right but to make things worse our daughters deserve better than a president who should be in prison. We are at a dangerous crossroad but my family and I will see it through. What about you?

  14. To me, we have a personhood problem, as well as just not having as much compassion for the opposite sex. I was on a 1 year mission trip with a lot of women. They had beautiful hearts towards women, children, and victims of human trafficking. However, at the same time they would play a game called “Kill, date, bang where someone would pick 3 men and they would have to choose which one they wanted to date, kill, or have sex with.

    Another woman, who is the biggest fighter for abused woman that I know, shrugged off my own story of sexual abuse. I was 16, a child, when I was grabbed in the gentitals by two women while on vacation in the Bahahmas. She downplayed the instance because I was a big guy, and wasn’t in danger being in a large open space with plenty of secruity.

    I guess is what I am saying is that we need to have these conversations with our daughters too, and actually believe that men can be victims of women.

    • Frank, I am so sorry you were sexually assaulted.

      Last week, John P did write a very moving piece about his daughter.

      All human beings need to stop sexually objectifying each other. Jesus says when a person looks with lust upon someone, then the person has committed adultery within that person’s heart. Somehow we Christians seem to interpret that as a sin only a married person can commit, but maybe it is a form of adultery against one’s future spouse.

      I just thought that up and so I throw it out there.

  15. John,
    The same goes for Bill Clinton. Do you really think that either candidate is the ideal example to our children? If you are going to address all of these “wrongs”, you need to address all of it and not just Trump. My 2 Cents.

      • Since anonymous implies that Bill is running for the presidency, then, nope, irrelevant.

        Besides, Benny, how can you possibly with a straight face say anything about Bill Clinton when the candidate you’ve chosen has an even worse record. Oogling naked teenagers? Oogling naked adult beauty pageant contenders? Raping a woman in his living room with his pregnant wife napping upstairs?

        Nope, if Trump’s sexual escapades don’t mean anything to you, then neither should Bill Clinton’s. To insist Clinton’s matters more than Trump’s is yet another example of your cognitive dissonance.

  16. I only read the first dozen comments and I want to throw my laptop against the wall. Too many people want to bring up the sexual behavior of previous presidents. Kennedy and Bill Clinton being the most obvious. But let’s be clear on something. Things have changed and are still changing; society is changing. 50 years ago, 25 years ago, even ten years ago, most people accepted the status quo without fuss. It was easier to go along with the “boys will be boys” mantra than fight against it. Times have changed; we as a society have changed. We need to focus on the present. The youth of today aren’t looking back at Kennedy’s or BC’s behavior; the youth of today are watching and learning from the behavior of our current candidates. We should be guiding them by current example, not playing he-said-she-said type games or comparing current issues with the past. This is the point John’s trying to make. The children of today. The children who will one day be in charge of things.

    • “This is the point John’s trying to make. The children of today. The children who will one day be in charge of things.”

      Thank you, Angela.

      I too get sick and tired of the red herrings being dragged in because the trolls’ don’t actually want to discuss, in a respectful and validating manner, what John P writes. They have a kneejerk reaction to tear his words apart instead of weighing and assessing and looking to see if there is any truth in his words.

      But, nope, for some reason they feel they have the right to tear his words to shreds. Which says far more about them than it does about what John P. has written.

    • OK, so we give all Democrat womanizers a pass then.

      How does pointing at Trump’s flaws make Hillary’s policies attractive to conservative Christians?

      • Just in case you have not noticed, Democrats are not particularly interested in in making Hillary’s policies attractive to sold-out-to-Satan conservative Christians. She does not need them to win the election—and to be quite frank—who would want them?

  17. And that seems so mildly of little consequence in the light of what having Trump in the driver’s seat could do. He will wreck the USA, but Hillary will build some love and goodness and kindness into it. Just my observations as an outsider who is rather glad not to have to vote in your election, though I would have no hesitation in supporting Hillary. Good luck to you all.

    • Hillary Clinton is thoroughly corrupt. She’s in this for power and money.

      Trump is making a huge sacrifice to run. He doesn’t need this headache but is doing it for the good of our country.

      Please read some conservative US blogs and sites. You’re only seeing left wing kooks who hate Christians in this blog.

        • Charles, this blog post of yours is simply brilliant. It is so refreshing to read something by someone who actually knows history and can support his assertions with actual evidence and facts, instead of innuendo, lies, and rumors.

          I have reposted it in my FB group, Gloriamarie’s Progressive Stuff.

  18.      I used to wonder if John Pavlovitz ever reads the replys on his posts. I don’t anymore. I am convinced he doesn’t. I used to read them and I suspect John used to also, but we have stopped and that’s a little sad.
         I still get excited when I get a notification that John has posted something new. I will open it and read it at my earliest opportunity. I mostly enjoy reading his take on things. I mostly agree with his point of view, but sometimes not, and that’s how the world works. I read his posts knowing he is a man trying to work out his place here and hereafter in the best way he can manage.  I get that. He is using his fingers on a keypad as a sounding board, a way to organize his thoughts and feelings. I get that too. I have been traveling the same path in a different manner for much longer than John. One difference is that I don’t normally write and post my thoughts. Today I will. Today I read the replys for the last time. I just find it much too tedious to wade through the morass to find a jewel.
    You might ask me “why would you post this? Isn’t it a bit hypocritical to expect others to read your post yet refuse to read theirs?”
    My only possible answer is “because I’m a hypocrite”, and if you are honest with yourself you will agree that you are too.

    • I think he’s trying to make money at blogging. He’s found that he can get an audience by lashing out at Christians. That’s his niche and he’s exploiting it.

      His arguments are often unfair and illogical. He usually begins with a false premise, and includes many false premises and straw men in his blogs which constantly attack Christians. He won’t give them the benefit of the doubt. He always ascribes false motives. Critical readers and thinkers can see right through him, but those looking to feel good about themselves and feel good about looking down their noses at Christians will find some comfort in his words and come back for more.

      He’s setting himself up for a big fall. The praise will go to his head and he’s going to start believing it, and think that he’s wise and holy. Maybe he already does.

      It would be refreshing to see him say something nice about other Christians. I haven’t seen that yet.

      • He will start saying things nice things about Christian fundamentalists and conservative evangelicals if and when they finally say or do something to deserve it. Don’t hold your breath waiting for them.

        • Of course, John P is very pro-Christians who actually live out their faith and who haven’t succumbed to American religiosity. That is the demographic John P. criticizes.

  19. Thank you for this spot on post, John. Last night while all making dinner, my son, daughter, and I listened to Michelle Obama’s speech in New Hampshire. We almost chopped our fingers off, we were so riveted by her amazing response to what has been going on. I am so grateful my son is nothing like Donald Trump, and am thankful for all the men of integrity in my daughter’s life, my husband and son being two of the many.

    • I’m not voting for Trump to be some kind of example of “what it is to be a man.” I’m voting for the Supreme Court. I’m voting for vetting potentially dangerous immigrants. I’m voting for better economic policies.

      This is a strawman and the most extreme dirty politics I’ve ever seen. If these people “cared,” which they don’t, they would have been warning us long ago. This is just about flipping the election to Hillary. It’s about power and money and nothing more than that.

  20. Donald Trump is an embarrassment to the country. He will be a disaster should he win. The righteousness indignation on the left regarding his comments about women, however, are a hypocritical joke. His history with women is essentially identical to that of President Clinton. Both have been accused of rape and sexual harassment by multiple women. Millions of “bright and beautiful boys with big hearts” watched the women who accused Clinton get dismissed as tramps by all the same types who are now losing their minds over what Cheeto McEgo has said and allegedly done. Was Mr. Pavlovitz equally freaked out about the young men we were creating in 1996 when we re-elected another “groping predator who treats women with complete disregard.” I certainly can’t say, but I doubt he had similar moral qualms about twice pulling the lever for Bill Clinton.

    Or how about Michelle Obama, who was “shaken to her core” by Trump’s remarks, yet had no issues hosting Rick Ross at the White House, despite his songs about drugging and raping women. Odd that didn’t shake her core with similar ferocity.

    Ultimately this blog post is merely an example of the different standards many people set for politicians with whom they share ideologies. If they vote how we want, we will accept all manner of horrible behavior. Behavior that would be reprehensible if exhibited by someone on the other side of the aisle.

    • Thank you for pointing out the blatant hypocrisy.

      I don’t know what’s true and what’s not true anymore about personal behavior of the candidates, except that I do know for sure some things about Clinton because of the (icky) evidence. JohnP would have been praising him as a fine man, and dismissed his womanizing as none of our business and between him and Hillary. I don’t know what words he would have used to tell his son about the blue dress, though…

      It’s incredible that this is all coming out just three weeks before the election, and even more so that some are taken in by such obvious manipulations and dirty tricks.

      If these people truly cared about character they would not have saved their moral outrage until they could use it to flip an election. That’s not caring. That’s exploitation.

    • Well written. Unfortunately, you cannot have level headed comments such as yours without the sychophants and shills screaming how partisan you are.

      Both of these candidates are absolutely terrible. But neither side can see what with all of the self righteous grenade throwing.

      It makes me wonder if they are paid, if so that invalidates all of their fervent posts admonishing everyone who disagrees. Trolls, indeed!

    • Well written, Bruton. Unfortunately, you cannot have level headed comments such as yours without the sycophants and shills screaming how partisan you are.

      Both of these candidates are absolutely terrible. But neither side can see what with all of the self righteous grenade throwing.

      It makes me wonder if they are paid, if so that invalidates all of their fervent posts admonishing everyone who disagrees. Trolls, indeed!

  21. I really can’t believe anything you have to say “benny”. Your comments indicate that you would support this horrible character no matter what he did. And you think Hillary is in it for power and money. You are so deluded and twisted.

  22. Great post John.

    Trump’s comment on women, his actions, and his denials show that he lacks character.

    Efforts to equate Trump and Hillary Clinton by linking the latter with her husband’s actions are diversionary and unconvincing.

    I may have different views on some issues than McCain, Romney, or even Kasich, but I don’t doubt their character. I can’t say the same for Trump.

  23. John P:

    I have had enough. I want off of these threads. I have NEVER in my LIFE seen so much VICIOUSNESS and HATRED and so much of it in the name of Jesus.

    • Hi Scott… just curious, you did mean the people commenting and not John P., correct? And yes you are right, viciousness and hatred…. I wonder if this will lessen after the election or if this is just going to spiral out of control? God help us all….

      • Oh no, not John P. That man bends over backwards to show love, mercy, and justice.

        I am reminded of a quote from Mohandas K Gandhi:

        “I like your Christ; I do not like your Christians.”

  24. Love that Gandhi quote…. (by the way, I’m “anonymous” above … guess John’s website didn’t recognize my writing style when I didn’t fill in the info. while commenting). I love John P. too… Blessings to you Scott. 🙂

  25. Just read about this father’s concern written prior to the election. In spite of the fact that Mr Trump’s candidacy was one of the worst and probably most crass one I’ve ever witnessed, his morality is not the only concern or issue in question here, which is without a doubt a good one. However since he took office, I see other concerns rapidly developing from the actions he is taking. The first concern is his apparent support of big business taking precedence over the toxicity of the environment, the waters, wildlife as he continues to support companies like Monsanto, pipelines whose oil leaks have have taken a heavy toll on environments throughout the country that are not publicized, the continuing contamination and poisoning the land and waters where food is grown, ignoring the outcry of those who oppose him and feigning more concern for those in other countries that we have to “protect” rather than showing concern as someone elected to represent us to make America great again. There seems to be a great discrepancy between his walk the talk and actions taken. This too should be a great concern on how all of this is affecting not only us but our children who are dealing with new disease and sensitivities not manifest in prior generations, vaccines that now contain poisons such as mercury in larger quantities, fluoride in the waters now proving to be a chemical more destructive than helpful, and totally ignoring all the new technology coming out that would benefit all of us and have less toxicity on the environment. What kind of world is being developed for our future generations. It is obvious other countries are learning by observing our actions and starting to avoid the contaminations we are forced to deal with daily. Not to mention the dismantling of programs instead of finding ways to fix them (such as the EPA) in order to fund his agenda. Ever hear any more talk about the wall recently? Ever hear anything about eliminating waste and excessive spending? Many will say he just started in office – give him a chance. According to what he has pushed so far as his priorities through his actions, blaming others for all the problems that exist instead of seeking and spending his energy to find viable solutions, failing to bring competent and knowledgable people on board to help find solutions to these problems, just wonder where all this is leading to a world our children are growing into and who are meant to be our future. The least we can do is educate them to become aware that better ways do exist.

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