A Message To Governor Huckabee, And To All Those Fighting Nonexistent Wars


Yesterday, in the aftermath of the changes made to the Indiana Religious Freedom Restoration Act, former Arkansas Governor Mike Huckabee responded in an interview that LGBT activists “won’t stop until there are no more churches.”

He implies here that there are no LGBT people of faith, and that all LGBT people are hostile to religion.

Both of these assumptions are terribly incorrect.

Dear Governor Huckabee, is this really what you think this week has all been about; a war on church?

Do you think this is all part of systemized, insidious campaign to destroy organized religion?

Do you think that today there is celebration across the country, because Christianity is one step closer to extinction?

If that is what you believe has been happening here, I am more disappointed than I can express. 

This week has not been the LGBT community against Jesus.

It has not been the LGBT community against Religion.

It has not been the LGBT community against The Church

It has not been the LGBT community against anything, except any discrimination that prevents their full participation in the life of the country they live in, love, and contribute to.

The events of the past few days have not be an attack on Faith, but rather the honest, passionate, raw-throated cries to be considered equal; in restaurants, bakeries, city halls, and yes, even in churches.

Every week I speak to and hear from thousands of people; not just the LGBT community, but to their children, their best friends, their parents, and to people who, like me, are for them. 

We who have spoken out this week are from every walk of life, from every political affliction, from every religious tradition, and from every kind of distinction you can make.

We are not against Christianity. I have been a pastor for nearly the past two decades.

We are not against you or Republicans or Conservatives or God or marriage or family or America.

It is because we are for all of those things, that we speak and push, and scream until our voices fail.

It is not an act of war. It is an affirmation of life—of all life.

Governor Huckabee, there will always be churches (Jesus assures us of this in Scripture), and many LGBT people and those who love them will be in those churches.

As a pastor, as long as I am alive and ministering, I can promise you that they will be mine.

I wish you could see that this is not a day that anyone is gloating or thumping their chests or dancing on the eventual grave of Religion.

Yes, there is dancing but it is the dance propelled by the wild, explosive flood of hope that comes when you feel heard and seen and called equal.

Not everything needs to be a war.

Not everything needs to be a fight.

Not everything is about two opposing sides.

We’re all together in this life, seeking the very same things; life, liberty, and happiness.

I pray that you will see this deepest truth; you and those who might be conditioned to the battle, unable to lay down your weapons.

As a Christian, perhaps for the rest of this Holy Week, you might reflect upon the character of Christ, paying close attention to how he responded to those who differed from him, and to “the least”; those who were vulnerable and hurting and desiring to be loved.

If you want to give the world outside of the Church a worthy Christian testimony this week, please consider an Easter cease-fire.

Please end this war.

“Blessed are the peacemakers.” – Jesus

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      • I love you John for the message that you are sending. Jesus would be proud and you will be one of his sheep. But unless he wakes up Gov. Huckabee will be one of the goats sent packing.

    • I am a gay male and i believe in god , so don’t say that we don’t believe . in my opinion huckabee is a racist pig, who does not know what it means to be the way i am .

    • No, it is apparently impossible for YOU to express your religion without attacking LGBT people, as you are doing RIGHT HERE.

      The fact that you cannot see that YOU are the bully, well, I don’t think you can’t see it. I think you know it full well and are doing what you people do: you CAN’T HELP shoving people. You don’t know HOW to talk to people any other way except with an attack. You ONLY seem to view the world through a lens of who one hates.

      That’s all YOU honey. Your hatred is YOURS to own, to possess, to cherish, and to chew the bitter end of.

      This is why I sometimes feel sorry for you people. But not very.

    • Actually, it is very widespread to be for Christ and to not be a homophobe or to be called one. What I wish, dearly, is that there was not such a huge population of homophobes who claim they are such because they are “for Christ.” They have actually done more HARM to Christ than any atheist ever could.

    • Not true Theadore! I’m all about Jesus! No one has ever called me a homophobe. Didn’t you read the article? This is not an attack on religion…just the need to be recognized and considered equal. You don’t have to agree with gay marriage, I respect that. But religious freedom is about allowing everyone, not just Christians, to follow their own beliefs. That’s what we were founded on by our fore fathers.

    • Please enlighten me, as I cannot find any place in the Bible where Jesus said we are to discriminate against homosexuals, or whatever the term would have been in those days. Jesus is all-knowing. He KNEW this day would come. If that is true, and if this subject is so all-fired important that it is worth causing a horrible rift in the body of Christ, why did He not address it?

  1. Thank you.

    I’ve even seen some mainstream magazines (*cough* Soujourners *cough* Commonweal *cough*) post articles that seem to imply that this conflict pits Christians against the gays, as if there aren’t many LGBT people who are devout Christians or other people of faith, or devout Christians who advocate and support full inclusion of the LGBT community in the public square because they fervently believe this is what God calls them to do.

    • I agree with you Dan. I believe and love Jesus for his crucifiction, Good Friday, and rising from the dead on the third day, Easter, to save the world from SIN. When Jesus was on the cross he said in Latin, if
      I’m correct “Forgive them Lord, for they know not what they are doing”. Christ loved and forgave
      people who even crucified him to show God’s love for all. It didn’t say, except this person or that person. SIN covers it all and ALL are sinners, or to me the crucifixtion would have been in vain. Condeming others is not an example.

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  3. Their response is first from a place of fear and then for some it is sadly ‘contrived’ so the GOP can appear to be what they are not. Thanks for your sharing. Patricia Neel >

  4. Well said. I have said virtually the same thing to anyone who will listen. This political “Christian” push…is not my Christianity. It does not reflect what I think Christ wants us to emanate. More of us need to speak up and out …no matter what someone in our congregation or neighborhood or facebook community might think. There is someone else who is so relieved to hear words of love spoken, that we just can’t keep silent. I applaud you John. Keep preaching the word!

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  6. You need to remember that Huckabee is a member of a religious tradition that does not always speak in English. They have a secret “code language” that they use with each other. You might call it a secret military code like Enigma.

    For example, the word “Christian” does not mean “saved follower of Christ.” It also does not mean Roman Catholic, Greek Orthodox Church, Eastern Orthodox Church, Presbyterian Church, Lutheran, United Methodist, Northern Baptist, Disciples of Christ, etc. It means instead “only those few who are members of my exclusive sect of belief.” All others who might might claim to be Christians are not really Christians and are instead tools of Satan who attend churches God hates. As part of this “code language” the word “Christian” is also used intentionally to lie and deceive the people of the world who are not members of their exclusive belief system. For example, to the average person on the street, they know that the word “Christian” means follower of Christ. The average person thinks United Methodists are Christians. So, Huckabee’s faith tradition will make statements such as:

    “And Christians everywhere are behind us on this issue.”

    They are really not. Do you see how the code language is working here? They are trying to dupe the American public into believing that all those Christian churches they hate are fully behind them—when they are really either neutral or opposed to them on an issue. If you were George Orwell, you might call it “Double-Hear.” Members of the Huckabee tradition hear “our exclusive group only,” but they want the rest of the world simultaneously to hear “all other people who claim to be Christians worldwide are behind us on this issue.” It is a blowfish maneuver designed to puff themselves up in the public eye and deceive the world into believing that they are far larger and more powerful than they really are. This is the creation of a falsehood—a lie—intentionally built into the code word “Christian” as this faith tradition uses it. It is their way of fighting, fending off, and using the rest of the world to reach their primary aim—which is American and world domination. You say, “You mean world domination by Jesus Christ don’t you? Well, what is wrong with that?” No, that is not what I mean. They probably think that in the backs of their minds. However, what they really want is American and world domination under the narrow and peculiar belief system they espouse. It is really a political goal as much as it might be anything else, and Huckabee is a baptist preacher turned politician. In his vision, he foresees an America and a world dominated by the Southern Baptist Convention and the Independent Fundamental Baptist (IFB) church. I need not tell you Roman Catholics, Lutherans, and United Methodists out there that you would be second class citizens in your own country if it were under the domination they seek—that is assuming that they allowed you to remain in the country or remain alive.

    If you do not believe me, check out the following blog post. This is the kind of “Christianity” they speak to those within their own foal when they are not using “code language” to deceive the rest of the world:


    • well said Dover1952…. your entreaty to be believed is almost religious but the rest is sunshine at April’s door. Thank-you for sharing.

    • I’ve been openly walking around Sellersburg, New Albany, and Jeffersontown IN, as well as working across the river in Louisville, during the last 10 months of my MtoF transition.

      Most people are very kind to me. I don’t know who Mike Huckabee is talking to, if he’s not talking to all these “christians” in Indiana. They certainly don’t agree with him. In the weeks after the law was signed, I was overwhelmed with how welcoming all of my regular haunts were. They all know who I am, I have made no effort to hide what I am doing.

      It’s this that gives me the most satisfying feeling of all . . . the true and real victory in the eyes of the majority of the public, that we are in fact human beings. Mike Huckabee is leaving a terrible, disgusting impression of himself on history. He will be reviled by all but a sad few, and those for not much longer.

  7. Well said. I want to add a post a friend of mine made on Facebook that spoke clearly to the issue as well, I think. He said,

    I find it interesting in the middle of a national debate on Religious Freedom laws that are designed to allow Christians to pick and choose who they do business with that I have yet to hear any of their supports actually use Christian scripture (the Bible) to justify their support of these laws.
    Could it be that when Jesus says:

    “Love your neighbor as yourself.”
    “Love your enemy.”
    “When someone takes your shirt give them your coat also.”
    “When someone tells you to carry their stuff for one mile, carry it for two.”

    There’s more (go ahead and read the whole Bible not just have someone else tell you what is there)!
    I believe our responsibility as followers of Jesus is to love those with whom we don’t see eye to eye. This responsibility, according to Jesus, outweighs our “rights.”

  8. I have been reading your writings for a few months now. I was attracted to one about inclusivity. I am aware of the recent outrage about religious freedom in Indiana and Arkansas. I have heard the arguments, people trying to explain how good or bad. I do not understand the exact problem with the laws. In fact, I did not understand them at all. They were written by attorneys and legislators and so end up being nebulous. I failed to understand the reason for the outrage.

    I attend a Church that is located in an area of town that is synonymous with LGBT. There are attendees and members who would fall under in this category. Now, the only one of the 10 Commandments that I have not broken is the one about murder, but I do support the death penalty when deserved.

    My Church stresses inclusivity. All are welcome. By grace through faith anyone can enter the kingdom of God. We will find out at death, but right now it is above my pay grade. I only accept it.

    I am in favor of equal treatment for all humans. I am not in favor of gay marriage. The Bible does define marriage as a man and a woman. I know at least one person from several gay couples. I have no problem. Their decision. God will separate the sheep from the goats. We are all going to be surprised who we find in Heaven or Hell. We may make a judgment, but God is the judge.

    I would not vote for Mr. Huckabee for dog catcher for many reasons. There are those opposed to religion. The Church as I think of it is under attack. I also see new churches being started and attracting large numbers of young adults. The Church will not be wiped out. We in the United States have our rights protected and any group can protest. An example is the Westbury Baptist Church. They do not act as I think how Christians are challenged to act. Do I agree with their actions. NO. They should have been arrested for disturbing the peace the very first time they were in public.

    As Americans, we have free speech. We should also respect the rights of others to have free speech. We all have free will. Christianity should be and has to be all inclusive. God will sort it all out when the time comes.

    • We no longer have free speech for everyone, just those who identify themselves as minorities, victims or marginalized. If you doubt it try using the language of these groups and see how quickly you are attacked by those demanding inclusion, equality and fairness.

  9. Very well put. As in diplomatic relations with other countries, it seems the “Peace Maker” Christians are always the ones to start wars. You either conform to my beliefs, or we exterminate you. Can’t they see this is not Christ like, how they are driving people away from the Church in droves?

  10. While I totally agree that Huckabee’s comments are ludicrous, and that we need to stop viewing everything as a war. But that goes both ways.

    There seems to be a new controversy every month. While one side looks to selectively pass laws against homosexuality, the other side quickly jumps to throw around terms like “hate” and “bigot.” While I’m sure there are plenty of people who are filled with hate, the majority are Christians doing what they think is right (as misguided as it may be).

    Both sides only see RED when they look at the other, and both sides talk about victories and battles. Neither side is showing the other grace. Therefore things just keep getting messier and messier.

    • The side which “quickly jumps to throw around terms like “hate” and “bigot”” has the “victory” of holding their heads up high in life with their chosen selves, families and friends with the blessing of the republic in mind.

      The side which “quickly jumps to throw around terms like “hate” and “bigot”” is much too aware of living memory when it was something for which you could be put in jail or the sanitarium in Texas, as late as in 2003.

      The side which “quickly jumps to throw around terms like “hate” and “bigot”” remembers when this often-hypocritical country came to terms with its hypocrisy on the matter of religion, class, sex and skin color, that maybe the same reckoning can be extended to subsets which existed outside of the brutal border of binary gender normalities, that we can stop being heaped with insult and injury.

      Sorry/Not-Sorry for being too defensive of our dignity.

  11. Amen!!!!!!!!!! I’m not gay but I have friends and I bet a few relatives that are gay. There is something seriously wrong with this society that this even happened. People can say what they want to defend it and pretend this is okay. Nothing about this is okay. I agree it’s not a war. It;’s not a war at all. Its bigotry at it’s highest.

  12. Thank you, dear John! Thank you for giving a voice to those who otherwise remain unheard. Thank you for restoring faith and hope in humanity. Thank you for putting “Christ” back into “CHRISTianity” where it presents itself as a God-less self-righteousness (ab)using “Jesus” in pursuit of hidden, personal agendas driven by irrationality, denial and fear. Thank you! God bless!

  13. Hi Pastor John, I have a question. I recently read your blog, If I Have Gay Children: Four Promises From A Christian Pastor/Parent. As a Christian, if my children are gay I will continue loving them unconditionally. I have a question, however, that I did not see addressed in the blog…and this is where I think some Christians get tripped up. In the Bible it seems that God deems homosexuality a sin. Do you believe that it is? If not, can you explain why it isn’t? If so, how would you come alongside and support a homosexual child living a life that doesn’t glorify God? This is an issue I have been wrestling with for quite some time and haven’t come to any resolution. Any insights you can give me will be greatly appreciated. Thank you.

    • If you don’t believe that homosexuality is a choice ( I don’t) then you can’t see is as sinful any more than being left-handed or blue-eyed is sinful. It’s simply the way you are born. We have come a long way in understanding that concept since the Bible was written, but biblical literalists don’t agree. But if you DO think it’s a choice, then 2 questions arise: 1) Why would anyone choose it? and 2) When/how did you make the choice to be straight? You probably didn’t make that choice, so why would anyone else get the chance?

    • If you want to follow the bible, then start by looking at what the bible focuses most on. Study those things and look at the big issues. Once you feel you are following the bible well in the commands to love God, love everyone, support the poor in preference to the rich, eschew hypocrisy, not be bound by legalism, follow the great commandment, the Ten Commandments and the great commission, then and only then start looking at the minor rules, and consider only then your stand on adultery, shellfish, homosexuality and men wearing trousers.

      Seriously, the bible obviously cares less about homosexuality that’s it does about oysters. Why would a biblical Christian make this a big issue? At best it’s a waste of the talents God gave you. At worst its idolatry — putting legalism and your personal biases ahead of gods overwhelming message. Frankly, even if you come to the conclusion that homosexuality is a sin (and shellfish and tattoos are not), then you cannot avoid the obvious biblical conclusion that the bible doesn’t really think this is worth more than a few mentions — as opposed to the 1000+ exhortations to improve the lot of the poor.

      • It is not about what the Bible says–not really. It is about a feeling of societal safety and power. The fundies are so upset because their leaders have promised them that they will RULE America. It ain’t happening. Instead, their influence is declining rapidly. In addition, they are becoming more marginalized in American society—but part of this marginalization is of their on making. If you choose to define that all public schools are evil, which they have done, you have marginalized yourself into homeschooling.

        Fundies only feel comfortable living in a cultural world that is fully defined by their own religious doctrines and standards. Their great hope was to take over the government at all levels and use its power to create an American cultural world where they could relax, breathe easy, and feel comfortable. You have to remember that the fundie lives in a world supercharged by fear of a constantly angry and violent God who has almost no real love in his heart. While they might give lip service to the notion that He is a loving redeemer, in practice, emotion, and behavior God is viewed as the great destroyer. This sets up two great fears:

        1) Will my personal actions incite God’s incessant anger further and cause him to directly destroy me?

        2) Will the sinful actions of the nonfundie people in American society incite God’s incessant anger further and cause him to destroy them—and will I and my family be inadvertently destroyed as part of the collateral damage when God attacks.

  14. I’m gay.

    I think the LGBT culture has changed drastically from defensive, to offensive, in your face type assault to the non-LGBT.

    Because of this non-LGBT react accordingly, behind the Bible.

    Maybe if we don’t tout our sexuality so much, instead focus on just being good community members, maybe

    that would be a good start?

    • I remember Pride parades being these wholesome, “we are just like you” coming out parades, and
      now these days it’s overtly sexual, that’s why kids can’t even go–how many cultural, identity based, parades/celebrations do you know that’s rated NC-17?

      • Mardi Gras, for one. I can’t count at how many I’ve been a rally speaker so I can tell you from experience that how overtly sexual they are depends on the location. Relax, though, your kids, if the researchers on such things are correct, have got what gay people are figured out by the time they exit kindergarten. If they ask questions, simple answers like, “They’re celebrating” are best. If they want to know more, they’ll ask.

    • Nice thought. The problem is that to attain peace both sides must lay down their weapons. I am committed to lay mine down if the other side will lay its down. The problem is that the other side is totally committed to NEVER laying its weapons down because they believe that God will deny them their place in Heaven and destroy them if they do. You cannot be at peace with an enemy that refuses to be at peace.

  15. I think this essay mischaracterizes and misapprehends what Huckabee said. By “gay activists” he seemed to me to mean, in context, those gay activists who have a very dim view of Christians, particularly American Protestants other than Presbyterians and Episcopalians, commonly (but often intended by the left perjoratively) called Evangelicals. A rhetorical tautology, sure. But that’s what he seemed to mean. Indeed, this mischaracterization illustrates the very point about Orwell he was making. The left reflexively and fallaciously conflates the right’s policy contentions it has with the left with hating gay people. Yet, the central issue of the last few days, the right’s classical liberal notion that people ought to have the right as a matter of principle to refuse to perform personalized services in support of a gay wedding does not automatically infer hatred of gay people. Yet, this fallacious polemic is now a central tenet of the common narrative on RFRA’s – a fundamental premise uncritically accepted by uncritical messengers in spite of the message’s lack of logic. Of course, conflating the different concepts serves to demonize and stigmatize even a conscientious objection to gay marriage as homophobia, thus advancing the left’s polemic. Orwellian. Further, to say that “this is not a day that anyone is gloating or thumping their chests or dancing on the eventual grave of Religion” is convenient, conclusory, and naive. While maybe a precise description of the mood of the left on this issue is less triumphalist, it is similarly vitriolic and venomous. If you disagree, then you need to go to Yahoo’s main page and peruse the stories in the column below the main feed, mostly linking to HuffPost Blog, Salon, ThinkProgress, Daily Beast, and other polemical messaging tabloids and troll agencies. The stories themselves are strident enough in tone (and heavily dependent on the above-described conflations), but the thousands of comments below them are much, much worse.

    • With regard to your writing, I found your post hard to follow. In their churches, Christian fundamentalists and conservative evangelicals are taught that they must love good and hate evil—and not tolerate any sin in their midst.

      Your conflation argument is a little hard to support when you have official marching orders like those. Your side says that you hate the sin and love the sinner. However, to be quite frank with you, I see very little evidence of that playing out across the United States. Rather, what I see is the all-out, aggressive, up-in-arms, outraged militancy that has been the openly and officially stated hallmark of your religious tradition since circa 1895 when it began. I would submit that you cannot have it both ways. You cannot simultaneously be at war and at peace with gay people. If you are at war with them—then you hate them enough to go to war.

    • Dear Ricky, you have every right to flaunt as you please, or not, but I do not feel good that you feel that those active in the LGBT community are flouting their sexuality. It makes me feel that you are ashamed in some way, embarrassed to be you. YOU are a good community member or not and it has nothing to do with your flaunting or being showy or not revealing your reality in terms of sexuality. Jesus said, Suffer the little minorities to come unto me and the majority too…. (or something like that…)
      What I am saying is that being yourself is a good start, not apologizing or hiding; not cowtowing to hateful Christians who want to church you into their way of life. I support the community shouting for recognition and as a hetero/bi/whatever married man, I could care less about judgmental believers who think they have a right to tell me what some scripture means…. poo! Be yourself and be out there and full of life and glory. Do not try to please community members first, or last…. best wishes,… oh and Huckabee is a burp I heard and ignored, politely.

    • So, it seems by what you say that Christians refusing basic services to gay people do not hate them. They hate their actions, then? That is good to know sir and fits with your historical belief in Christianity where those Rome-hired who slaughtered innocents in the Crusades did so with love in hearts, doing God’s will because God will finally sort it out. Get your head out of your intellect and try loving your neighbor with your heart for a second or two. The gentle loving word means nothing unless actions are the foundation for this kind of talk. Christianity as it lives in much of USA fears and despises gays, so much so that the community must actively demonstrate and resist, must march and go on the offensive. It reminds me of the block bully on my childhood street. He treated his believers with deference and proved his eternal love. I fought the prick because he beat people up and was always right. Your smarmy tact does not cover your hardened heart, only quietly reveals it.

    • No he means all gays when he says gay activities. This comes from the understanding of someone that has watched him change from a Godly man leading a congregation to a politician that will say and do whatever the right wing conservatives / tea party members want him to say. I was raised in one of the churches he lead. He is not the same man today. He is angry, bitter and judgmental. It is sad to watch.

  16. I believe Mike Huckabee should read the Bible more in dept. I think he missed the part where it talks about being a fanatic, here is one sample he’s not following.

    Hearing and Doing the Word
    James 1:19-27
    19 Know this, my beloved brothers: let every person be quick to hear, slow to speak, slow to anger; 20 for the anger of man does not produce the righteousness of God. 21 Therefore put away all filthiness and rampant wickedness and receive with meekness the implanted word, which is able to save your souls.
    22 But be doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving yourselves. 23 For if anyone is a hearer of the word and not a doer, he is like a man who looks intently at his natural face in a mirror. 24 For he looks at himself and goes away and at once forgets what he was like. 25 But the one who looks into the perfect law, the law of liberty, and perseveres, being no hearer who forgets but a doer who acts, he will be blessed in his doing.
    26 If anyone thinks he is religious and does not bridle his tongue but deceives his heart, this person’s religion is worthless. 27 Religion that is pure and undefiled before God, the Father, is this: to visit orphans and widows in their affliction, and to keep oneself unstained from the world.

  17. Everyone here is missing a point thought. This has nothing to do with religion. It has to do with doing the right thing which is giving everyone the right to exist. LGBT isn’t fighting for religion, they are fighting for equality. But, as many people here in this blog, Fanaticism is making them blind. It’s sad to see people who refuse to read and instead the follow the worse sinner of all; Mike Huckabee.

  18. Mathew 25: The Sheep and the Goats

    Mathew 25:31-33 “When he finally arrives, blazing in beauty and all his angels with him, the Son of Man will take his place on his glorious throne. Then all the nations will be arranged before him and he will sort the people out, much as a shepherd sorts out sheep and goats, putting sheep to his right and goats to his left.

    34-36 “Then the King will say to those on his right, ‘Enter, you who are blessed by my Father! Take what’s coming to you in this kingdom. It’s been ready for you since the world’s foundation. And here’s why:

    I was hungry and you fed me,
    I was thirsty and you gave me a drink,
    I was homeless and you gave me a room,
    I was shivering and you gave me clothes,
    I was sick and you stopped to visit,
    I was in prison and you came to me.’

    37-40 “Then those ‘sheep’ are going to say, ‘Master, what are you talking about? When did we ever see you hungry and feed you, thirsty and give you a drink? And when did we ever see you sick or in prison and come to you?’ Then the King will say, ‘I’m telling the solemn truth: Whenever you did one of these things to someone overlooked or ignored, that was me—you did it to me.’

    41-43 “Then he will turn to the ‘goats,’ the ones on his left, and say, ‘Get out, worthless goats! You’re good for nothing but the fires of hell. And why? Because—

    I was hungry and you gave me no meal,
    I was thirsty and you gave me no drink,
    I was homeless and you gave me no bed,
    I was shivering and you gave me no clothes,
    Sick and in prison, and you never visited.’

    44 “Then those ‘goats’ are going to say, ‘Master, what are you talking about? When did we ever see you hungry or thirsty or homeless or shivering or sick or in prison and didn’t help?’

    45 “He will answer them, ‘I’m telling the solemn truth: Whenever you failed to do one of these things to someone who was being overlooked or ignored, that was me—you failed to do it to me.’

    46 “Then those ‘goats’ will be herded to their eternal doom, but the ‘sheep’ to their eternal reward.”

  19. Another touching post. When I have kids one day, it’s your passionate views on love and equality (yet measured with common sense) I would be proud for them to hear in Church.
    It’s just ‘marriage’ to me. Gay, straight – I just don’t see that it matters. If you’re lucky enough to find true love, I cannot imagine God wouldn’t be pleased for you. There are so many other, more crucial, happenings in the world today that must be addressed.
    Thanks again for such a great post!

  20. Thanks for speaking up, Mr. Pavlovitz! I do feel, however, there is something MORE to be said – and you being an ally, I hope will understand.

    I came out just as the AIDS epidemic was beginning. Not only was I abandoned by my entire faith community (including my parents, though they eventually came around) – I remember the malicious and at times gleeful apathy demonstrated by Christianity at large – that was content ***to let us all die.*** The heartlessness and cruelty I endured is unforgivable. In order to save my own sanity (and suicidal despair) I walked away from all things Christian, even all things remotely religious or spiritual. My further experience of Christians SINCE then is that if they aren’t sending me to hell for the crime of being gay, they are sending me to hell for the crime of atheism. The consequence is that there are times when I DO wish all of Christianity would wither up and blow away on the wind. What Mr. Huckabee is obtusely ignoring is that IF there is a war going on – THEY STARTED IT. And it cost us ACTUAL LIVES. It is UNFORGIVABLE.

    Yes, I get that these people don’t get the cognitive dissonance of someone being gay and Christian – but they are equally blind to the unconscionable damage – and murder by callous contempt – they have done.

    • If I could edit my comment while it awaited moderation, I would add this: I know I paint Christianity with the broad brush. But to those who would protest “Not All Like That” I would like to ask this rhetorical question: how many times can one endure having one’s heart broken – IN THE NAME OF CHRIST – how many times can one endure having one’s soul crushed – IN THE NAME OF CHRIST – before it becomes understandable that one might have PTSD-reactions to even secular mentions of the Christian faith?

      This – this chronic, daily, psychological damage – this is the legacy of Christianity in my life.

  21. I think maybe it is a war against Christians or an individual’s Christian values and yes they are dancing because they can force someone to participate in something that they believe is against their Christian beliefs, weather you do or not. Some people do feel that homosexuality is a sin just like adultery, sex before marriage, abortion, and murder are sins. I thought that this in this country you were allowed to believe and feel the way that they want too. The LGBT will go to every business and force only the ones that do not agree with their lifestyle to participate in their life style choices. They do this so they can destroy any one that does not think like they do. If you cannot see this as war against Christians you are deceiving yourself.

    • We have decided to give up the Hunt’s Ketchup lifestyle at our house. We are thinking about switching over to the OkraCoke lifestyle. It promises to be quite popular in North Carolina. You break open a 1950s 8 oz. bottle of Coca-Cola and stick an okra pod point down into the bottle moth—great garnish.

      It’s not a lifestyle.

      You are allowed to feel and believe as you want in this country. That is the problem. Fundies want to take that right away and force all of the American people to believe exactly what they believe and in the precise way that they believe it.

      Fundies like you are not the only Christians on the planet. You may define the rest of Christendom as nonChristian—and continue to use your code language with that word—but people are getting wise to it and are no longer being deceived by it. As one person said in the 17th century (roughly paraphrased), the Puritans boarded the Mayflower and pushed out to sea, and the Anglican Communion and all of England waved good-bye—and good riddance.” Then they proved themselves to be the sick and demented sinners that everyone else knew they were (except themselves) at the Salem witch trials—not to mention their later treatment of the Native Americans they helped murder at the behest of the weak American Indian tribe that befriended them—for a while.

  22. John Thank you! As a person that grew up in a church Mike Huckabee lead it is sad to see the changes that have taken place since he entered politics. I am a Christian and I also happen to be a lesbian. They are both part of a collective of other things I use to identify me. One can’t travel with me without all the rest of them. Thank you for your insightful response to the hurtful and many times hateful responses Huckabee has towards our community.

  23. Reblogged this on losing my {reli}ginity and commented:
    This just makes me weep. Please, Christians, understand what he is saying. “Not everything needs to be a war.” The LGBT community is not fighting against religion. They are fighting against discrimination. Today Christians across the land cried out “Death has been defeated! Love has conquered all!” Please let that LOVE conquer this divide. This separation.

  24. I like your well written thoughtful post.
    It is so true we are also some peaple of faith I associate w god n Christ mostly but have also come to learn of the positive teachings of others. I’m amazed often at the general persecution perspective Christen often get or have. I remember very well words like if God be for me who can stand against me. Love your neighbor as yourself and that the most important
    It’s become a test for me I know them by there love.

    • Fundie persecution is a self-contrived thing on the part of the fundies. They thrive on the idea of being persecuted because they believe that “TRUE” Christians are known by the persecution they receive. If you are not receiving persecution, then you may not be a “TRUE” Christian. However, they are careful to ensure that their contrived persecutions are soft and mostly in their heads rather than blood dripping from their skins. “You disagreed with my theology and doctrine. Boo-hoo!!! Why dost thou persecute me like this?”

      The fact of the matter is that these people are very careful to oppose only the sin in American society that is certain to bring on intense verbal disagreement. You would not catch them standing up for Jesus by openly opposing racism in Ferguson, Missouri. First of all, too many of them are racists who would not be protesters on a picket line. Secondly, and most importantly, they are afraid they might get their “coconuts” busted for Jesus and the black trash he created. Real persecution, like a head busted and bloody, is just not on their menu. In this way, they are a shame set at the feet of the many 1000s of ancient Christians who suffered real persecution in standing up for Jesus. I call their so-called sense of persecution “self-faked persecution.” Jesus knows it is self-contrived, and He knows it is fundamentally dishonest at its core—a cheap trick—to make one’s SELF feel separated from and better than their fellow human beings. “I think chocolate is best. Well, I think vanilla is best. My doctrine says chocolate is the best—why are you persecuting me!!!!???

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