If I hear one more Evangelical claim that God chose Donald Trump, I’m swear I’m gonna rapture myself.
Christian Trumpers really need to stop spiritualizing the man, his campaign, and his Presidency.
It’s sinful.
It’s blasphemous.
It’s lousy evangelism.
It’s also just plain asinine.
The hypocrisy on display is historic: after spending the past 8 years straining to find infinitesimal specks in Barack Obama’s eye that they could condemn as deal breakers—Evangelicals are now perfectly fine with Trump’s rotted forest of Redwoods.
In fact, in the most dizzying display of theological spin doctoring, it is now precisely his ever-growing trail of personal toxic discharge that supposedly proves evidence of God’s hand in it all.
So Trump’s multiple marriages, his porn star affairs, his mountain of sexual assault claims, his verbal obscenities, his disregard for rule of law, his compulsive lying, his clear racism, his unrelenting attacks on marginalized communities (things these Christians would have figuratively and almost literally crucified Obama for) are now unmistakable signs that God is using this President.
This is nonsense of Biblical proportions; to try and draw some line between Jesus of Nazareth and Donald of New York, is about as farcical as you can get without actually spontaneously combusting from the cognitive dissonance.
Dying to justify their own allegiances to Trump, Evangelicals have lumped him in with other famously flawed heroes of Scripture, suggesting he is actually God’s anointed, imperfect tool of salvation—in the tradition of the Old Testament.(Well, God did apparently use the jawbone of an ass, so I guess there is precedent).
In all seriousness, this sanctified retrofitting of this godless President to any kind of Providential momentum is the height of absurdity. By that measurement, let’s find all the most reprehensible human beings we can, give them carte blanche in our seats of power—and see just what God can do!
No, Donald Trump wasn’t anointed by God.
He isn’t an instrument of Divine will.
He isn’t Biblically hastening Armageddon or Jesus’ return.
voter suppression,
Hillary hatred,
Obama resentment,
Democratic stumbles,
the votes of bigoted Evangelicals, whites terrified of losing market share, and third-party voters—and the inaction of 100 million Americans who couldn’t be bothered to participate in one of the greatest responsibilities of living here.
That’s it.
No Providence.
No Divine messages.
No Biblical prophecies.
No spiritual movements.
Just ordinary human beings who chose really, really poorly when they should have known better.
This isn’t a mystery or a miracle—and it sure as hell isn’t God.
Christians need to stop passing the buck to God, and just own the compromises and sick bedfellows they’ve been willing to make for Supreme Court seats, anti-abortion legislation, weapon stockpiling, and a rapidly assembling white Evangelical theocracy.
Stop namedropping God.
God wasn’t generating fake news or showing up at his campaign rallies or stumping for him at nationwide crusades or using him as an expression of their misogyny.
God didn’t vote for the guy who said he could grab women by the genitalia.
God didn’t choose the guy who said protestors should be beaten.
God didn’t go with the guy endorsed by the KKK.
God didn’t excuse the bankruptcies and overlook the affairs and laugh off the racist remarks.
I’m pretty sure people did that—lots of supposedly Christian folks.
And God isn’t now taunting teenage shooting victims on social media,
or ignoring thousands of lost immigrant children,
or turning a blind eye to Constitutional crises,
or celebrating LGBTQ discrimination,
or laughing off collusion, treason, and human rights atrocities.
Again, Christians.
We really should stop pretending God is responsible for this fast food dumpster fire, when it’s clear whose hand is in it all.
This reality is the rotten fruit of misogyny,
racism,
Nationalism,
fear,
xenophobia,
and bigotry—all released by people who want God to consent to it all so they don’t have to deal with their own culpability or face their own repentance.
God does not consent.
Pray on that.







I’m happy that Trump is the US president even was not God the elect him, was a mayority Christian that not share your liberal, antibiblical point of view. Probably for you the Bible is other book that is your opinion, but is the Bible has some authority for you, them this guy is doing something proper not like Barry or the muder of ms Clinton.
Sodom an Gomorrah are missing their resident. Trump would be st home there.
Good grief ! You have fallen for the Trump propaganda ! You have been conned !
The Bible has nothing whatsoever to do with the horror, raping our environment, water and air, and pillaging, stuffing the pockets of his family and himself. If you think anything this man is doing, you ARE NOT a Christian. I’m an atheist, and I believe more like you should, than you do. Hypocritical much?
Love your thoughts Marsha
I’m neither for nor against Trump. One thing I’m sure of is that God meant for this man to win for reasons will never know while here on this earth. Perhaps he is fullfilling the written prophecy. The tone of your written words are laced with hate. Hate is sin and is a negative behavior. As far as boasting of your atheism, rest assured your knee shall Kneel and you will profess the Lord is God. I pray for salvation of all every night and hope the same for you. Please review your life closely and perhaps you’ll see where God was reaching out to you but you missed it or misinterpreted it.
Huh ?
Actually, Hillary Clinton won the popular vote!
Which shows just how sick and twisted out country is. Trump is certainly a deeply flawed individual, and his corporatist environmental policies are terrible, but he does understand freedom and my right to live my Christian life as I wish without the fear of being jailed. Hilary, on the other hand, would have me in prison orange right about now.
Are you an American or a Russian?
The Bible says: The shall not slander. Hillary not guilty of murdering anyone and she’s and Obama are also Christian. The good that Trump is doing does not out weigh the evil deeds and lies he tells.
Wow Luis….your post is so insane I am flabbergasted by it. If you think that Trump is doing anything proper makes you delusional. I didn’t realize that Mrs. Clinton was murdered. Yikes! Buy a clue!
You might want to research who Jon Pavlovitz is. Or you can remain ignorant and prove it with every asinine comment you make. Don’t remain a fool.
A good example of the statement “evangelicalism has become a place for the worst of society to hide in plain sight” The gentleman‘s thesis is only anti-biblical if you cherry pick the Bible to suit your own prejudices and hate.
It’s only liberal if you do the same thing. The serpent in the garden knows weak people will believe his claims, and here you are.
I’d venture to say God let Trump be President the way He let Saul become leader of Israel. We all know what happened to Saul and his disastrous leadership.
That’s why we are so thankful for President Trump, to reverse the sinful, unethical, horrific policies that 8 years of Obama brought upon us. Anyone with a thinking mind should be able to understand all of the good that Trump has brought in such a short time…it’s actually quite amazing. Let’s get this Supreme Court nominee confirmed, then hope Ruth Bader G steps aside to allow another far more qualified judge to be approved by the Senate. We are definitely headed in a FAR better direction under Trump than under Obama. I’m very thankful for President Trump, and I’m forever grateful it was not President Hillary Clinton. Oh my, how awful that would have been.
Sinful? President Obama was sinful? He never cheated on his many wives, he never bragged about sexual assault on women, he never separated children from their parents, I could go on and on.
Yes, sinful. Pushing the homosexual agenda, which teh Bible clearly condemns as wicked behavior, and encouraging the killing of the unborn is deeply sinful behavior. And you are morally deficient if you don’t understand that.
Doug, you state that tRUMP “reverse[d] the sinful, unethical, horrific policies that 8 years of Obama brought upon us. Anyone with a thinking mind should be able to understand all of the good that Trump has brought in such a short time…it’s actually quite amazing.” You and your kind are constantly saying that he has done great things, yet you don’t post what they are… I DO have a thinking mind, with an extremely high IQ and I am at a loss for what good he has brought about. I can, however, come up with a rather long list of the sinful, unethical, horrific policies and actions that have resulted from tRUMP’s term in office thus far.
And Jimmy, you absolutely nailed it!
Kim, Doug did give us a reason, his only reason is abortion that’s it. If climate change kills off 1 billion people in starving nations, he’ll be satisfied if he forced a few women to deliver babies. It was the 2 Supreme Court justices, that’s all these ideologues care about, 2 corrupt supreme court justices.
The dogs of the world are not compatible with three nations, eventually America will wake up to that and drive them back under the rocks they crawled out from under. On that day we can start reducing abortions by eliminating unwanted pregnancies, the only way to deal with abortion in a free nation.
The Bible has nothing whatsoever to do with the horror, raping our environment, water and air, and pillaging, stuffing the pockets of his family and himself. If you think anything this man is doing, you ARE NOT a Christian. I’m an atheist, and I believe more like you should, than you do. Hypocritical much?
You truly epitomize the blind following of Trump. So many were just so determined that HRC would not be president, that they failed to examine Trump and what he really stood for, the life he had led and the person he really was. They all fell for the lie that he had become a born again Christian just prior to running for President. The only person who said she had first hand knowledge is Paula White, who is a true heretic. They proved that Evangelicals were willing to vote for the devil because he said he was pro life, than vote for a capable politician with tried diplomatic skills. Your choice, and their choice has resulted in us having the least capable and most deceptive President we have ever had. He is not chosen by God… there is NO New Testament basis for God to choose our world leaders or national leaders.
Why do you hate people so much? Obama brought equality and kindness, attributes lauded by God. You support a monster that will rot in hell and will take all you immoral hypocrites with him.
Doug hit it on the head, these frauds only care about one thing, that would be abortion, they don’t care if they half to walk on the necks of children to force their opinion on everybody else. They are the cancer of one-issue-voters, They are also the reason why we will never get rid of abortion, the greed on the right, including Trump, know that they can’t be elected unless abortion is an issue. They will never allow abortion to go away, in fact it benefits them to do things that increase abortion, like limiting birth control. The more angry the Dougs are in Amer, the worst things they can do to society and he’ll still support them. The more wealthy they can steal from the middle class and give to the rich.
These Christian nationalist, fake Christians, or not compatible with a free nation. The only way to reduce abortion in a free nation, is to illuminate unwanted pregnancies, and right now it’s the dogs of the world that are preventing us from doing that. For them, what’s a bunch of dead babies if it means they get their way.
Oh yeah. How awful. A president that •didn’t• collude with Russia or hang out with sleazy associates.
Well, you sure brought out the god-botherers with this one. Keep up the good work and may all the orange slime’s defenders/promoters crawl back under their rocks.
wooooo – ooooo NAILED IT (when I’m asked WHY i DON’T support the current administation) MAYBE… there is a thing or two that has been accomplished… SORRY EVEN IF YOU TAKE OUT THE GOD FACTOR… NAILED IT! CORE VALUES MATTER!
Scripture says yes God had everything to do with Trump, Obama, Bush, Clinton, etc. Don’t agree with the Bible – take it up with God. God even put King Nebuchadnezzar in place and orchestrated the complete destruction of Israel.
Lol… the Bible says nothing about Trump. Evangelical leadership who sold their souls for secular power are misleading their flock, and the flock is hateful enough, paranoid enough and dumb enough to believe them.
John, Mark Taylor prophesied in 2011 that God was going to make Donald Trump our President. Of course, at that time Taylor was mocked and sneeringly laughed at (you possibly joined in that chorus).
God gives us the leaders we deserve. We deserved Barack Obama and his evil, and our merciful God has heard the prayers of His people and given us Trump, whom He has prepared for this time in America’s history. God is not done with the United States and desires to bless us. He is using Trump in that process. John, I know you will never believe that, but it IS true and will become apparent even to you over time.
You have been conned !
I really fear for this pro Trump responses – that these kind of misguided thoughts are going to spread.
What an overriding cesspool of shit-thinking. “God is in control” means you should let your leaders fulfill their quests for perfect ass-ness? How nice for you. I bet your tune changes when it affects your health, your children, your safety; or do you just collapse then and take whatever is visited upon you in the misguided misapplication of the “God is in control” mantra? Actually, there’s a pretty strong trend that you will continue to disavow responsibility for your inaction, and continue to allow bullies to have their way with you. And, of course, you will deflect all of this and continue with your weak, passive rationalizations.
There’s a wonderful pamphlet from 1934 entitled “The Cross and the Swastika.” It may serve to illustrate why many have concerns when Trump’s seeming ascendance is equated to the will of God. You see, this has been done before…
“As Christians, we put ourselves then in the middle of Hitler’s German freedom movement because we were convinced that God called us to it and demanded it of us.”
Oh please, would you all just grow up, study your history (real, not the leftist revisionism that has dominated secular education for years now), and STOP with the Trump and Hitler comparisons – you could not be any further from the truth. A MUCH more accurate comparison would have been Obama to Hitler. Both were dictators, didn’t follow the law, and literally removed opposition illegally. Trump has done nothing illegal, and his policies are – for the most part – FAR more Biblical than Obama’s. This fairy tail, revisionist history that Obama was some “good” and “moral” man is an absolute lie. The Obama Administration was arguably the most corrupt of this century, and I cannot think of another President as arrogant and angry as Obama. I am grateful that Donald Trump is the President of the United States, and I sure hope he will be serving a 2nd term as well.
Love him or hate him, you can’t just spout out statements with any facts to back them up. For example, you said: “The Obama Administration was arguably the most corrupt of this century, and I cannot think of another President as arrogant and angry as Obama.”
You said that Obama was a dictator like Hitler. In what ways?
I guess this is an example of repeating a lie long enough that you come to believe it. Trump has cheated on every woman he’s been married to and there are three. He built his wealth in part on gambling, but we won’t count those things as immoral, right?! He’s bankrupted dozens of small businesses who performed work for him but he failed to pay. He lies CONSTANTLY but, ok, he’s moral! Got it.
What evidence do you have to support your claim that the Obama Administration was the MOST corrupt? Seriously?! That is a laughable claim.
If you will notice, Karen, every thing you listed as evidence of Trump being UNGODLY has to do with “MORALITY”. Anyone reading, Read them again if you don’t believe me.
Now go to ANY trump “supporter” of him being sent by GOD to “help” America & read “their” list of evidence:
Go on, we’ll wait…….
Did you see the common thread? They are either
1. NON EXISTENT Proof or
2. ALL “MONEY” related or
3. ALL “PRIDE” related
Did you Notice? GO ANYWHERE online you will see THE SAME
Now, WHICH do you suppose GOD of THE BIBLE FAVORS?
He speaks out AGAINST “not” PROVING you point when he says “PROVE ALL THINGS”
HE speaks out “AGAINST” The love of MAMMON (Money) When he says NO man can love BOTH GOD “&” MONEY you will HATE one & LOVE the other
HE speaks out “AGAINST” PRIDE whether it be in a FLAG or in COUNTRY or in WHITE RACE or in TALL ORANGE-HAIRED OLD UNCLEAN MOUTH men…GOD IS “AGAINST” ALL of these
These people have hated the LOVE & AFFECTION a man by the name of “BLESSED” (Barack Literally means Blessing”) & they were JEALOUS for over “EIGHT LONG YEARS” & they STEWED in HATRED fro him.
Now, the LEFT, as they put their confidence & PRIDE in GODDESS worship (Feminism & Abortion & Lewdness) they allowed these people to WIN CONTROL of this country. Hillary was ARROGANT & NOT the right choice. So, these DEMONS were “allowed” by GOD to gain control. But as a JUDGMENT on “THEM” for rejecting the BLESSING they were given just because they worship earthly “Flesh” & “Money”.
So the two camps are NOW,
1. IMMORAL Character of Trump vs.
2. PRIDE, MONEY, & VAIN DECLARATIONS of Truths that r LIES
GOD is ANGRY with BOTH ENDS both LEFT “and” RIGHT, but ESPECIALLY “RIGHT” b/c they DARE to HIDE behind GOD HIMSELF with “their” IMMORALITY when at Least the LEFT fear GOD more than “that”
GOD “hates” Trump, & finds him ABOMINATION DISGUSTING.
But GOD “needs” this EVIDENCE to CONDEMN AMERICA & FAKE CHRISTIANITY to “HELL” on the DAY of JUDGMENT.
So, for this cause GOD GAVE THEM UP to Trump. HE is beginning the FINAL separation of the Wheat from the Chaff
For the right “has” THE WORD of GOD & yet like Ancient Israel.. (whom they “think” they support thinking it will serve them well in THE END) ..will NOT OBEY IT.
The LEFT are mostly Atheist or Secularist and GOD does not EXPECT “them” to OBEY, but rather to 1st. just focus on becoming SAVED from ABOVE.
But the “right” ALREADY “claim” Righteousness & like the DEVILS before them…OBEY IT NOT & go a-WHORING after THE BEAST & “his” IMAGE & “his” offer of THE WORLD [just as satan offered JESUS CHRIST] only JESUS did not take satan up on his offer
THESE ‘BLIND FOLKS” HAVE…OWE unto THEM
CAPS don’t make you smart.
Don’t confuse God’s will with the mechanization of men
Yes. Doug. Thanks.
Well said, Doug! Thanks! GO Trump….our strong and very smart POTUS ❣️❣️❣️
Doug, if someone hurts you (God forbid) or kills you or your kids or other family member, do you think people will say “It’s what God wanted and God is in control”?? Freewill. We cannot see how God is in control. We have freewill. That’s it. God did NOT put a specific person in office. Have you never read the New Testament? You seem to not even know the character of Christ from your ramblings. Why did Jesus come to earth and die? Why do we need to make choices on what we choose to believe (in this example either to believe that God raised Jesus from his death)? And why is it important that each person chooses what they are going to believe in faith (without coercion)? What they heck is wrong with you? You should stay off the internet if you can’t even see the real truth: We have choice in this life. God is in control in a way that we can never understand. We choose. God did not “choose” to allow Trump to win, or any other thing like this. He allowed it. That is very different. We have freewill.
How many of Obama’s cabinet were indicted? I’ll take my answer off the air.
I was even told that Trump was specially chosen by God as was a John the Baptist and Jesus. Can you imagine Trump put in that company. I said if Trump is God’s best then we are all in trouble! What is wrong with these people, what is causing them to believe in this emotionally and morally crippled man?
What is wrong with them is that they are hateful people that want to hurt those they disparage…transgender people like me for starters.
i have NO DOUBT IN MY MIND that…if they even thought for a minute that they could get away with it (and they might eventually) they would throw my transgender ass into an oven and crank that dial all the way up.
They are horrifying hateful monsters that want everyone not exactly like them DEAD.
Don’t even kid yourself about this.
I will say this to the Evangelicals: If you think HATE is a Christian value, then do us all a favor AND JUST PLEASE GET RAPTURED ALREADY!!
Do not BOTHER trying to “save” me…eternity surrounded by people like you is my very DEFINITION of Hell…so if people like YOU Evangelicals are going to Heaven (you aren’t) then I would actually PREFER to go to the other place, thank you kindly.
I know there are people who profess to be Christians who would hurt you if they could. But some of us who are Christians would like far better for you – the healing of your spiritual and emotional dysfunction. There are many people, myself included, who bought into the various lies about our sexuality regarding homosexual, transgender and promiscuous behavior. While the acts we engaged in gave us pleasure and for a short time, a sense of happiness, the internal sadness and problems that drove us to such behaviors was still there. When it surfaced, we would try to drown it out with drugs and alcohol, but it still remained.
What changed us was coming to know the love of God. Not the hateful Evangelical condemnatory type that wanted to hurt us, but the love that said to us “I love you. You’re broken. Let me fix you.”
The very thing I hated and made fun of was exactly what I was looking for. I needed to admit that I was wrong, God was right, but more than that, that He loved me and wanted to change me for my good and happiness.
I wish the same for you.
I keep saying this, but the Evangelicals want one thing, and one thing only.
And that is– to make Armageddon happen so Jesus can come and take them away from this Earth.
They see strong signs the\at Donald Trump is capable of destroying civilization as we know it, and they DON’T CARE if he goes to hell afterwards.
His moral character doesn’t matter at all to them, any more than rust on a wrecking bar matters to a demolition man.
I suspect that God, Who is ruler of everything, allowed tRump to win because He (God) is punishing the US for its many transgressions — from slaughtering indigenous peoples, to enslaving Africans, to cheating and bullying the rest of the world while proclaiming itself a “Christian” nation. The monster in the White House might just be America’s punishment for past sins.
All true. Especially how they celebrate the loss of human rights suffered by the LGBT, and especially the T.
And I hate him for it. And I hate them too.
I have never felt this way, I do not LIKE feeling this way – I’m supposed to be better than this.
But I can’t help myself. They are gleefully ripping my life apart and I hate them for it.
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I can’t believe that I just read a comment where someone said they would rather go to hell in the afterlife than be surrounded by evangelical Trump supporters. apparently, this person has heard that in hell, you are not “surrounded” by ANYBODY. You are ALONE, all the time, although you may see and hear at a distance the screams & cries of others. alone—for all eternity. you think the POW’s like John McCain had it bad at the Hanoi Hilton. ??? Hell is 10 million times worse than that. and—it NEVER ends.
god murders millions in the bible, the devil kills no one—why isn’t god considered the evil being?? anyway the idea of the devil is what made me leave belief it is so nonsensical and a ridiculous projection of humanity’s flaws.
The idea that a fanatical marginal group of death cultists want to destroy the world/humanity for an imagined rapture (that isn’t even biblical) just really is horrific & sad. There is nothing anywhere that provides evidence that this is reality or a fact. All religions destroy more than they improve. I wish christians would concentrate on loving, loving kindness, rejecting prejudice—that could actually change the world/humanity. its what they claim they are about–what heaven is supposed to be (where is heaven by the way???) but rejected by trump cultists–except for their friends. Can they say they love the stranger in their land? or do they think its ok to jail immigrants? do they feed the poor? or get mad about food stamps. do they want the sick to be healed? or take away healthcare? So many planks in their eyes.
This is what I wrote yesterday about his comments regarding the accusations against Kavanaugh:
You sorry example of a man! How dare you! You know absolutely NOTHING about being a young girl and being assaulted. The self-blame and recriminations are just about enough to drive a girl over the edge. I know, I’ve been there.
Girls, especially all those years ago, have had an almost impossible time of accusing someone of sexual assault and being believed and not blamed for the man’s behavior.
A female who has been sexually assaulted, is raped over and over again. First, is the actual rape. Then comes the self-recrimination of “did I lead him on?” “did I do this to myself?” Then comes the shame and the attempts to tell someone. The shame continues because whoever she tells, will ask the same questions she has already asked herself. So, now there is more shame piled on. Then, if she goes to law enforcement, she is put through the wringer again and made to feel that it was her fault. Have any of you ever been through a sexual assault test at the hospital? It takes hours. Hours of invasion of personal space and invasion of her body, like she hasn’t been through enough.
If it goes to trial, then God help her. She has to tell her story again and again and again. People walk by, talking behind their hands and gossiping about what she did to have this done to her. The shame never goes away – ever. A woman will never be able to forget the atrocities committed against her just because she was a woman and powerless.
Yes, you’ve finally done the unthinkable. You’ve blamed a woman, who as a young girl, you’ve accused of lying over something that I’m sure terrified her.
As a white, privileged man, you don’t know a damn thing about the kind of strength it takes for a woman to come forward about an assault. Look at Anita Hill. She came forward and never recovered from the attacks against her for telling the truth. And it was for nothing.
You are a disgrace and a piece of crap. You brag about what you’ve done to women, you’ve cheated on your wives like it’s acceptable behavior, and you consider women beneath you – that much is obvious.
I don’t wish ill on anyone, but I hope that someday you’re put into a vulnerable position that will do almost everything to ruin your life.
You are the lowest piece of scum I’ve ever had the misfortune to have to listen to. As a man, you’re a bully and full of yourself. As a leader, you’re a disgrace and an embarrassment to our country, to women everywhere – to the world. You’ve done nothing but show what entitled white men can get away with, and you think your behavior is funny.
If I was still in the Army today, I would probably desert before I called you my Commander in Chief. You’re no leader. You’re an egotistical bottom feeder.
You’ve said a lot of horrible things in your term in office, but this is beyond comprehension. Any husband, father, brother, son who would try to excuse your abhorrent comments deserves my disgust.
There is no excuse for what you said. None. And I will accept no excuses from anyone about your comments. You are a sorry excuse for a man and I feel sorry for the women in your life.
This is your defining moment in your presidency. This is what I will always remember you for, as will millions of women. You’ve reached a new low – one I didn’t think possible for you, but you’ve done it.
Trümp is THE Antichrist. Plain and simple. His father comes from the same part of Germany as Hitler, very proud of being settled by a Persian prince. His supporters are the beginning of his Antichrist Cult. It will spread to the entire planet when he gets America wiped out in a nuclear war, and that is coming. He will do anything to keep himself out of prison. Anyone with a shred of discernment can feel it.
My take on this is that, with this “sent by God” stuff, there are people who have confused God with that uncle who always sends the fruitcake for Christmas.
Heres the thing
IF God is indeed sovereign and I believe He is , then Hitler Stalin Roosevelt Nixon Clinton Bush Obama Trump etc. are and were chosen for His purpose.
Or maybe what is to blame is the filth that the Democrat Party keeps throwing on the floor and expecting us to vote for. Ever think of that?? The only reason I vote for Trump was to keep the Wicked Witch of the West out of the White House. And I will hold my nose and do so again if the Democrats keep running loons, crazy people, and evil demons on their tickets.
“to try and draw some line between Jesus of Nazareth and Don of New York, is about as farcical as you can get”
actually, imo, to try and draw some line between Jesus of Nazareth and organized religion, is about as farcical as you can get.