62 Million Reasons I’m Not the Same Anymore


Some people tell me that I’ve changed; that I’ve become more confrontational and irritable, that I am less tolerant of disagreement now. They say that I seem angrier, that I’m more political. They tell me that I’m not the gentle, loving soul I once was and they regularly click their tongues against the roof of their mouths in judgment, lamenting the person they say I used to be.
 
I could argue with their assessment, but in the interest of time I’ll just go ahead and concede. In fact, I’ll tell them precisely when the change they sense actually began. It began when 62 million people in this country voted for the man who spoke these words, to be our President:
 
I moved on her, actually. You know, she was down on Palm Beach. I moved on her, and I failed. I’ll admit it.
 
I did try and f*ck her. She was married.I moved on her very heavily. In fact, I took her out furniture shopping.
 
She wanted to get some furniture. I said, “I’ll show you where they have some nice furniture.” I took her out furniture —
 
I moved on her like a bitch. But I couldn’t get there. And she was married. Then all of a sudden I see her, she’s now got the big phony tits and everything. She’s totally changed her look.
 

Yeah, that’s her. With the gold. I better use some Tic Tacs just in case I start kissing her. You know, I’m automatically attracted to beautiful — I just start kissing them. It’s like a magnet. Just kiss. I don’t even wait. And when you’re a star, they let you do it. You can do anything. Grab ’em by the p*ssy. You can do anything.

There were plenty of moments before and since of course, but looking back this was a pivot point—one that changed me irrevocably. It made me feel estranged around people I used to feel at home with and it derailed my hope that decency would prevail. And so in many ways this was the moment of my emancipation from feeling obligated to make nice with them; because despite his woefully malignant words and everything they pointed to about his character, his predatory behavior, his misogyny, his indecency, his infidelity, his disregard for the humanity of women, 62 million adults, many of them professed Christians essentially said “This is my guy.”
 
And if you were among those who said it, you can justify it or rationalize it away or spin it any way you want—and I’ll politely but unapologetically tell you you’re full of it. You can pile every real or imagined boogeyman in front of me as a reasonable defense, but at the end of the day you elevated the man who said these words and was guilty of this behavior to the highest office in our country, awarding him the greatest power—and that is solely on you. I will not share the blame with you by my silence.
 
As for me, I know who I am and what I stand for, and it could never be this. So confrontational or not, irritable or not, less tolerant or not, angrier or not, political or not, this is who I am now. I can sleep at night knowing I didn’t co-sign this, I am still not okay with it—and honestly, I’m not okay with those who are okay with it.
 
And regardless of how uncomfortable it may make some people, I’m fully comfortable with my holy discontent right now, and so all the tone policing and shame-throwing and wrist-slapping in the world isn’t going to deter me or silence me or move me from this path of most resistance. He said what he said, he was rewarded despite having said it, and I have been fundamentally altered and there’s nothing I can do about it now but speak the words I feel called to speak.
 
So yes, I suppose I have changed, and there are about 62 million reasons why. I’d have preferred not to have to have witnessed these days at all or to feel this way about so many people I live with or alongside. I’d have preferred that so many of my Christian brothers and sisters didn’t elevate such malevolence. I’d prefer to be the same person I used to be but that’s not going to happen.
We’re both just going to have to get used to it.
 
 

526 thoughts on “62 Million Reasons I’m Not the Same Anymore

        • Cowardly words! the actions of Jesus will be no different than mine if I follow suit. True, I am no God, but I am the person God has known of and is capable of showing up and speaking loudly.

          Do not give yourself a way out. There is little difference when you give yourself up to God’s plan. You’re either party to it or not. To make it a gray area is a copout. Jesus didn’t really take well to copouts. Not at all.

          • Calm down. As far as I am concerned if you are working for good on behalf of God I applaud you. And if I don’t feel pressured to join your crusade or group that is okay as well. Because I am working for good on , God’s behalf over here

          • Your inflated ego is confusing you and causing to lash out like an asshole.

            Better spend some serious time reviewing these character defects that cause to act so uawfully online.

            For your sake. Shake my head.

      • When one is really horrible, they defend themselves by falsely accusing others of the same horrible words and deeďs. But only praise for the truly horrible Putin!

        • So true way back from the days of “lying” Hillary every time he says someone is doing something nefarious he and his team are doing it.

        • If you can’t tell the difference between the crooked lying actions of our new so-called president and a normal person, you must just be trying to make excuses for his behavior. Normal people haven’t settled hundred of lawsuits filed by people who say they were cheated in a business deal. Normal people do not in fact go around “moving on her like a bitch” or grabbing women by the – anywhere. He has long since proven himself unworthy of leading anything this country has ever professed to be.

      • Amen. I will not be gaslit or guilted in to agreeing that this misogynist bigot *cringe* President *flinch* is respect worthy. Horrible would be to agree with him or tell people I love that this is all they are worth, that this is as safe aa they deserve to be. I just can’t. And I won’t.

      • A pacifist is against war and killing, not against angrily throwing disrespectful people out of a temple. Don’t make the mistake of thinking that makes one weak.

      • he didnt throw crooks (sinners) out of the chuch. He turned over the tables so no more buying, selling bardering would take place
        The only ones, thrown / cast out were demonic
        Jesus told us to forgive. 70 x7.
        He has already forgiven us. He is the only one to judge.
        THANK GOD

        • Well Trump has teached his limit of firgiveness from me. He is a horrible, evil person, with intentions that hurt us all. I no longer ascribe to the “Christian” pacifier, but if I dif, I’d be daying Trump is the antichrist. As it is, this unqualified theif just might make decisions that could spell the end of human existence on earth. Resist!

        • Forgiveness and reconciliation are not the same thing. We do not, even under the edicts of Jesus and his followers or their words, have to welcome back into our lives someone who is unrepentant and continuing in the same harm or sin.

        • “And when he had made a scourge of small cords, he drove them all out of the temple, and the sheep, and the oxen; and poured out the changers’ money, and overthrew the tables;”

          He literally chased them out with a hand made whip.

        • And he entered the temple and began to drive out those who sold and those who bought in the temple, and he overturned the tables of the money-changers and the seats of those who sold pigeons. And he would not allow anyone to carry anything through the temple. And he was teaching them and saying to them, “Is it not written, ‘My house shall be called a house of prayer for all the nations’? But you have made it a den of robbers” (Mark 11:12, 15–17).

      • Amen! Amen! AMEN! I tell everyone this. What these people did was to conform to their evil desires and ways of life and condoned it through a voting poll, saying that God would allow a man like this to run our nation! This man was not given his position by God, but by millions of people who have given in to their most evil thoughts and because a so-called man in power voiced what their thoughts were, they went with it. God is about to punish this nation greatly for completely turning it’s backs on what He would expect of those who claim to be His children, and also claiming to do these acts in His name! Watching it now! Pay attention! You’ll see. He’ll use the very man those claim to be God fearing to destroy what they’ve taken for granted! And God will bless those who chose not to conform! Amen!

    • I was thinking this is a sign that the second coming of Christ was getting close. I really try to be Christian about our new President but apparently this is one of my trials from God that I will be working on with intensity.

      • I’d like to think the same, Caren, were it not for that bit about how we will never know ahead of time when Jesus will come again.

        Various groups have so been convinced of it in the past that they have quit their jobs, sold their homes. A form of mass hysteria, I guess.

        Seems to me I read somewhere that there is some group who is convinced that either the Rapture, the Second Coming or the End of the World is coming on 9/23/17.

        Of course, what the present administration’s inability to believe in global warming and the Occupant with the nuclear launch codes, I daresay of the three, the End of the World is more likely.

        Thank you for that, all of you who voted GOP, third party, or didn’t bother to vote at all. On your heads be it.

    • But he did not say we must be quiet about things we feel are wrong. For instance witness his anger in the temple.

    • It was very disappointing when Bill Clinton won and when Barak Obama won. I was bummed out for a few days each time, but bounced back to being “the same.” Why would I let losing an election change me to not being “the same”? I don’t understand the obsession and the drama.

      Besides there are bigger more important things to think about. Trump won’t be here forever and neither will you. Think about your eternal soul and making it to Heaven. Also, you get to vote again in four years and maybe you’ll have a good candidate the next time.

      • You obviously have no idea what this article is about. You think it’s about business as usual politics. Are you really that dense? Trump is to Presidents as excrement is to being human. There’s a connection, but not a good one.

        • I don’t think so.

          Liberals and the establishment have lost their grip in DC and they are desperate to have their power back.

          Complaining about a 10 year old Trump recording that is very old news is just an excuse and is a form weeping and gnashing of teeth. I suppose the wailing will go on for some time. It used to be funny, but now it seems very sad.

            • robert, truly it does. He completely overlooks all of the Catholic Social Justice movement except the bit about abortion. Many of us see this over and over and over. I honestly don’t understand how he has any credibility here.

            • Most Catholics voted for Trump, Robert, according to the polls, which I suspect included non-practicing Catholics, so the support of practicing Catholics for Trump was likely to have been much higher. Could you be specific regarding the “crap” please? And pay no attention to the dogs who nip at my heels. I of course do accept Catholic teaching about social justice, with rights of the unborn to simply live being a very important part of it.

              • How any Catholic could vote for Trump when our own Pope broke protocol to speak against him is a mystery to me. I’m ashamed of and disappointed in every Catholic who did. It just goes to show what a sad state much of our Church is in.

                • That was my thought… I am well aware of the Pope’s disdain of 45. I’m embarrassed for my Catholic brethren to have this individual trying to speak for them. And I’m Jewish.

                  • I agree with Robert. More like so called “catholic” hypocrite perspective. Conservatism is very EVIL and goes against what Christ taught

                • Our liberal media in the US which hates the Catholic Church distorts what the Pope says. I don’t know about his personal preference, but he did not endorse Hillary Clinton. Our liberal media hates the Catholic Church because of the moral position it takes against the injustice of abortion, against same-sex marriage, against the use of contraception, which is intrinsically evil, etc. etc.

                  The press will therefore twist the Pope’s words and create a false impression that he intends to “reform” the Church such as allowing for same-sex marriage, etc., which of course will never happen.

                  Have you discussed with fellow Catholics their reasons for voting for Donald Trump. Many of them, like me, see the horror and injustice of abortion, and that Trump could appoint a Supreme Court Justice which might be a nail in the coffin of Roe v Wade and a step in protecting the innocent lives mercilessly slaughtered by abortion.

                  There were some good economic reasons for supporting Trump as well.

                  It was discouraging to see you use a the expression “pro-birth” because that’s the type of language the NARAL types and those who have nothing but contempt for the unborn use.

                  How do you feel about the baby that is killed by an abortion?

                  Just curious–you say you are also a practicing Catholic. Do you attend Mass every Sunday and on Days of Obligation? Do you agree with Church doctrine regarding sexual morality such as that homosexual behavior is disordered and is a sin, and that it is immoral to use contraception? Do you believe everything in the Creed and in the efficacy of the Sacraments? I’m just asking this because sometimes non-Catholics pop in here posing as Catholics to take a shot at me and to give a false impression of Catholicism and what we believe as Catholics. If you’re a real practicing Catholic, you’ll have no problem agreeing with me on these points and proclaiming that.

                  • I do not make a habit of taking inventory of others’ beliefs, practices, or standing as Catholics, and I’ll thank you to refrain from attempting to do so as you are neither my priest nor my spiritual advisor. I am also perfectly capable of reading and comprehending the Pope’s actual words.

                    • What are the Pope’s “actual” words? Let’s see a quote in context please. Original Spanish would be a plus and would be more credible.

                      Your evasiveness has answered my question and confirmed my suspicions.

                      However, if you really are a practicing Catholic, which I would now lay 10:1 odds you are not, you would understand that he Pope has zero authority to dictate how a Catholic should vote. His authority is limited to faith and morals, and I am totally in alignment with him there, such as regarding the injustice of abortion and the immorality of same-sex marriage, contraception, etc., and all the teachings of the Church.

                    • LOLOL. I don’t have to prove myself to anyone except God. And I could say ANYTHING here and be lying – that’s the Internet for you. I am well aware that the Pope cannot and does not (and has not attempted to) dictate whom anyone should vote for. I also know that he spoke out on this topic for a reason.

                    • You only have to back up your assertion if you wish it to be taken as credible. You’re right that you could lie about anything, and until you provide credible sources for your claims about what the Pope said, then your assertion deserves as much weight as a lie, though there are gullible people here who will believe anything that vilifies Trump or that would water down the Catholic faith.

                      It’s strange to me that you have such hostility for a fellow Catholic and are so cozy with people who basically hate the Catholic Church’s teachings about morality. Then again, as you said, you could be lying. I didn’t think you would be able to state that you accepted all that the Church teaches.

                  • I hope the many people who voted for the baboon who is occupying OUR HOUSE in DC will pony up money to feed the children whose parents don’t earn enough to feed them and are losing thier only decent meal of the day due to said baboon’s budget cuts. And be charitable to the elderly losing their one nutritious mea delivered by the long established program Meals on Wheels. I’ve seen how these elderly people appreciate this as I have volunteered on holidays to do the delivery of meals.

                    You nor anyone else can convince me what is going on is business as usual in DC. I don’t want my name associated in anyway with the crazed baboon and his lemmings except to say I was NOT SILENT and stood up against the paranoid racist who lost by 2.9 million votes.

                    Get out your wallet and donate to help the needy. Take time away from your cozy life to go out on the streets to find and feed the homeless. Or are you one who talks a good talk and turns their head when you see a homeless person and grumble in disgust “get a job.”

                    I’ll be the person out there with a sign marching, or calling my useless Congressman regarding a crucial vote.

                    The SILENT were the good Nazi’s. The Resistance was not SILENT.

                    • Dear Persist and Resist,

                      Under one of his former pseudonyms, A Catholic Perspective called himself “Benny” in honor of his favorite Pope, the Nazi and head of the Inquisition.

                      It is gratifying to me that the single most cited reason people want to join my FB group, Gloriamarie’s Progressive Stuff, is the way A Catholic Perspective. Second most cited reason is Wayne and certain Anonymous. This group keeps growing because of their posts, what they believe, and how they choose to express themselves.

                      One way to persist in resistance is my FB group, Gloriamarie’s Progressive Stuff, where I post actions, petitions, info, actual news, evidence, facts. There’s a pinned post that I highly recommend people read. I also ask a screening question so I can keep the spammers and the trolls out. All who read this are invited.

                      https://www.facebook.com/groups/gloriamariesprogressivepetitions/

                  • Ooh, it is the Catholic “police”. I love when one Catholic tries to negate the validity of another Catholic. Is that the teaching of Christ?

                  • Out of curiosity, exactly how many drug exposed infants of color have you adopted? I have two and frankly there was no line of waiting Pro birth Christians. It is easy to feign moral outrage over abortion and very difficult to make a true impact. You voted because you naively believe your economic situation will improve. You threw your lot in with white nationalists and pretend it is morally defensible because abortion causes you such angst? The Faustian deal made under such pretense is truly sickening.

                • You Don’t Speak For Me, when the Pope did that I was so deeply thankful that he was acting as the Holy Father to every Christian in the USA.

                  One way to persist in resistance is my FB group, Gloriamarie’s Progressive Stuff, where I post actions, petitions, info, actual news, evidence, facts. There’s a pinned post that I highly recommend people read. I also ask a screening question so I can keep the spammers and the trolls out. All who read this are invited.

                  https://www.facebook.com/groups/gloriamariesprogressivepetitions/

                  • It’s really disgraceful to use someone else’s blog over and over again to promote one’s own blog. Such shameful self-promotion.

                    • You really can’t read, can you my adorably cute little personal troll who cowardly hides under an anonymous.

                      It’s not a blog, you wee sweet creature, it’s a Facebook group for political activists and the kind of thing John writes makes it perfect for mentioning here and the kind of thing you write encourages more people to join to fight against the evil you most likely, although I don’t know, voted for.

                      One way to persist in resistance is my FB group, Gloriamarie’s Progressive Stuff, where I post actions, petitions, info, actual news, evidence, facts. There’s a pinned post that I highly recommend people read. I also ask a screening question so I can keep the spammers and the trolls out. All who read this are invited.

                      https://www.facebook.com/groups/gloriamariesprogressivepetitions/

              • Dear A Catholic Perspective who posts under so many different pseudonyms here, I owe you a word of thanks.

                As you know I have a group on FB called Gloriamarie’s Progressive Stuff and when people want to join they have to answer a screeing question to prove they are not spammers or trolls.

                This group have been growing and growing and growing since the election and the number one reason they join is because they appreciate my responses to you.

                So thank you for helping my group grow as we persist to resist the evil that is this present administration in DC and the evil that abounds across our country.

              • “Most Catholics voted for Trump, ”

                Well, they must be Catholics who have never read the Gospels. Because what I see is that it is IMPOSSIBLE to serve God and Mammon. What I see in the White House is everything that our Lord was against. A man completely given over to greed, lust, anger, and pride. A man who GLORIES in evil and BRAGS about it.

                Sorry – you can’t be a Christian and follow an antichrist.

                • You’re right Ignantz, and Trump isn’t the “antiChrist.” (I thought it was only extreme rightwing loons who said stuff like that, but I suppose the left has them too.

                  I had no choice. I had to vote pro-life. It’s wrong to kill babies in the womb and Hillary likes that and Trump doesn’t, and his policies would follow accordingly. The choice was easy.

                  The anti-Christ LOVES abortions. Jesus doesn’t.

                    • Here is the most important thing the pope said:

                      “In regards to voting and not voting, I will not get involved. I’m just saying that a man that is saying this is not a Christian, if he has really said all of these things. Until then, I’ll give him the benefit of the doubt.”

                      1) He won’t get involved. He didn’t endorse anyone or tell anyone not to vote for Trump.

                      2) He speculated that Trump might not be a Christian based on what a liberal reporter told him Trump said, so who knows what he was fed before that answer.

                      3) He gave him the benefit of the doubt.

                      Do you see a ringing endorsement of Hillary Clinton there or an order from the Pope to not vote for Trump?

                  • A Catholic Perspective

                    You don’t speak for Jesus. Abortion existed when Jesus walked this Earth. If he wanted to leave his thoughts on the matter, he would have. But he didn’t. If he wanted to say his thoughts on the matter now, he would. But he hasn’t. And he definitely didn’t make you a speaker for him. Sorry. It’s your ego doing all of the talking, that’s all.

                    And you’re missing the point of the article. If you choose a leader who commits every other sin, except abortion, then you are still choosing wrongly. How many women do you think end up having abortions because of men who treat them as trump did with the words quoted above.

                    There is a reason why Jesus loved and supported the women in his life. One of them being Mary Magdelane, a whore who probably had many abortions.

                    You and Trump and your legion want to judge and punish the wrong people in this story. You are treating the symptom, not the cure.

                    When men like Trump are not longer in control of this world, and more people like Jesus are followed in this world – abortions will naturally subside.

                    Women don’t want abortions. They feel trapped and lost because this world isn’t made for them. This world, the world you have been conned into making, has been created by rich, greedy, misogynistic, materialistic men. Everything that Jesus was against.

                    This is why he preached love as a guiding light. Trump is not the antichrist. But he is the antithesis of love.

                    He and his wealthiest cabinet in the world have conned you into believing that they are saving the unborn. HA!! They are the ones creating the reality for the unborn to be perpetuated in.

                    Do you really think that if a law is created to make abortions illegal, women will follow it? It never stopped a woman before. As I stated previously. Abortions have been happening through recorded history, and even before.

                    If you truly want to help to end them, practice what your savior preached and support anyone who does the same. Practice Love.

                    You have chosen a president who wants to cut aid to the people who need it most, cut environmental regulations that benefit our future generations, decrease taxes for the rich, boost the income of corporations, ruin relations with global allies, increase nuclear weapons, limit anyone who stand against him and his minions, judge people on their race or religion, and like this article said, treats women like we are here simply for his pleasure.

                    He knows nothing of love. And once again, with men like him in power and leading as examples, more women will have abortions then ever before. We are not idiots. We know the kind of world that men like Trump create. He promotes rape, ignorance, incest, greed, hatred, war, division. Women have the power, and will always have the power as to wether or not they want to bring a human being into this world. They will even take their own life to prevent one of their baby from being born into a living hell.

                    So, think about why your savior said nothing of abortion or judging women accordingly. Think about how he kneeled down next to a woman who was being stoned to death because she was living in a world that man created, for the pleasure of man. Jesus supported here. Jesus loved her. Jesus challenged those who judged her.

                    This is how we know who Jesus is, and that Trump is nothing like him, nor will he ever be.

                    Those who follow Trump because they think he stands for anything that Jesus is about, have been conned.
                    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_abortion

                    • Thank your for your comment. I admit I get too angry to make a coherent explanation and you did beautifully. Thanks, and Peace…

                    • That was a great response with one exception. Mary Magdalene was not a prostitute. There are several Marys in the Bible, and it is a little hard to keep track of which one we’re talking about now, but the one who was in the unfortunate position of having to rent her body to stay alive was not Mary Magdalene.

                      Mary Magdalene wa very important. Mary stayed with Jesus when the men ran away in fear. Mary was the first witness to the resurrection, and the apostle to the apostles. There is also some understanding that she was a woman of substance who financed Jesus’ ministry.

                  • How do you know what Hillary does? How do you know what Drumpf does? So if one thinks it is up to the woman to decide, that makes them liking the killing of babies? But it is not your choice nor Clinton’s or mine but between the woman and her God if she has one.

                  • A Catholic Perspective, your hillbilly rhetoric about your pro-birth stance isn’t even scriptural. (you certainly aren’t prolife in your posts here)

              • What about the rights of the children that are already here? Once they are born, they are on their own. As to abortion, you have fewer abortions under Dems than the GOP because the incomes go up. As for the Republicans’ concern over abortion, they want to stop it so bad they submitted a bill when Bush was popular, had both houses of Congress and the Supreme Court. They didn’t? Oops! Looks like abortion is just a wedge issue to rally the base.

            • I am a proud Catholic as well . My conscience tells me that the present occupant of the White House in addition to being evil and far from anybody’s choice for a good man is a horrible president.

            • I agree with Robert. More like so called “catholic” hypocrite perspective. Conservatism is very EVIL and goes against what Christ taught

          • You should not portend you represent Christian or Catholic perspectives. You would be among those thrown out of the temple. Ijs wwjd…he wouldn’t cosign intolerable comments or sweep them under the rug as if they do not inform the character of the man who spoke them.

            • I don’t remember Jesus saying that I should vote for a liberal leftwing pro-abortion candidate. I voted my conscience regarding who I thought would serve our country best and I’m at peace with that and am happy with the outcome.

              • Abortions are at an all time low ….the reason is more available information and available birth control. Pro life is BS ….you just want to force your opinion down people’s throat. All about the Roe V Wade …there are better ways to stop women from choosing abortion besides taking her choices away….and sold out to a mad man over it. “When fascism comes to America it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross” …..congrats you chose the least Christian person I can think of to lead the country.

                  • And she had every right to change her mind. But the case was not just about her, as you are well aware. It was about women having the choice to make a decision that, whether I agree or not, is her right to make. You cannot FORCE a woman to stay pregnant if she decides she is physically or emotionally unable to bring that pregnancy to term. Abortions have been reduced due to better education.

                • There are about 2,000 abortions in the US every day. That’s better than 3,000 but it’s an unacceptable number of unjust deaths.

                  I voted against more of those unjust deaths. You voted for them.

                  You want to force your opinion on inconvenient babies.

                  • How is your pro-life adoption of living children and needy refugees going? Yea, right. So-called christians supporting a so-called president.

                    • Proud liberal, I have asked him these questions. Others have asked him these questions. He has proven over and over that he really doesn’t care for the living, only preventing abortions.

                      OTOH, more people have been signing up to my FB group and all of them have cited his words here as the reason they want to join.

                      One way to persist in resistance is my FB group, Gloriamarie’s Progressive Stuff, where I post actions, petitions, info, actual news, evidence, facts. There’s a pinned post that I highly recommend people read. I also ask a screening question so I can keep the spammers and the trolls out. All who read this are invited.

                      https://www.facebook.com/groups/gloriamariesprogressivepetitions/

                    • I will join and like your page as support. We all need to band together to fight the coming “winter”. I feel that I have wronged you and I want to make it right.

                  • You have tried to change the conversation from why the author is struggling with the realities of an immature, narcissistic, sexual predator being elected by white evangelicals. Oh, and he lies, too. Just makes stuff up. Tweets like an emotionally immature pre teen. He is a bully and cares not a whit for the environment nor health care for people who desperately need it. In summary, the exact opposite of a person with true Christian values.

                  • No. you voted for the possibility of controlling women’s choices, not reducing the number of abortions. The fact is that making abortion illegal does not reduce the number of abortions. It does place women more at risk, though. And like so many belligerent Christians, you’ve completely disregarded all the other, equally valuable human lives that are in jeopardy with that despicable sub-human being in office. I believe that a fetus is a baby but I DON’T believe that a fetus has greater value than a refugee, than a child in poverty, than an elderly person who relies on social security and Medicare to survive. The list goes on and on. You chose to prioritize the idea of forcing birth over the actual needs of human beings already on this planet. Guess what does actually reduce the number of abortions? A S trong social safety net, improved education, living wages. You voted against all those things. If anything, you will be responsible for INCREASING the number of actual infant deaths with your simple minded, myopic thinking.

                    • From the Catholic Catechism:

                      2274 Since it must be treated from conception as a person, the embryo must be defended in its integrity, cared for, and healed, as far as possible, like any other human being.

                      http://www.vatican.va/archive/ccc_css/archive/catechism/p3s2c2a5.htm

                      This means it should be protected by law from the unjust aggression of an abortionist.

                      I am in total agreement with the “myopic” wisdom of the Catholic Church and not with the tortured logic of the pro-choice crowd which gives lip service to “reducing” abortions but never comes right out and says that it’s wrong to kill the babies that are headed towards Planned unParenthood. Their answer always is more condoms and pills and a bigger Federal Government.

              • If this is a “Catholic perspective”, then I am glad I left the Catholic church after over 40 years. The so-called Republican conservatism is nothing more than a throwback to more repressive days. The more liberal/progressive attitudes of the Clinton and Obama administrations allowed the common people to improve their lot.
                It should be noted that Jesus was a liberal.

                • Why did you leave the Church? Did you believe in the “Real Prescence” of Christ in Holy Communion? That’s a lot to leave behind.

                  How do you define “Liberal” and why do you say Jesus was one? Liberal today unfortunately means embracing the injustice of abortion as well as the immorality of homosexual relationships and contraception and many other things that Christ most definitely would not approve of. Sharing what we have with the poor is not “liberalism,” especially since liberals tend to want to coerce “others” to be generous with their money. We don’t need liberal politicians to force us to be generous.

                  I’m sorry that you left the Catholic Church. I hope you return some day.

                  • When Catholics can own the 30% of all abortions people of their faith have, then maybe we can take your stance more seriously. Catholism’s paradoxal cycle of shame for sex before marriage, no birth control and lack of sexual education for teens (because they simply shouldn’t have sex) leads to so many abortions. Catholics are having sex before marriage, and then get pregnant because it’s a sin to use birth control as well. Then, then shame is so great, many Catholics secretly have an abortion. 30% OFF ALL WOMEN HAVING ABORTIONS ARE CATHOLIC!! And it makes sense…at least to the rest of the world. So you can throw whatever you want out there about abortion but until y’all claim responsibility for the blood in your hands and take a deeper introspective look at how you’re contributing to the issue, your words will fall on deaf ears.

                  • That amen was not to you catholic perspective. I think your position is shaky and misguided. Your own pope has problems with trump. My Amen was to Joseph turberg.

              • Then your conscience is sadly shriveled and lacking in humanity or scriptural basis. Your posts here are truly deplorable and self serving. Your posts here indicate that you are one of those radical Christian terrorists that are driving people away from Christ in droves.

          • What kind of catholic are you??? Pope Francis has no love for the orange-haired Trumpenstein. What’s your beef with “liberals?” A woman’s right to determine what she does with her own body? That’s probably your one and only issue in voting for Tweety Trumpenstein. —Throw women into prison for medical procedures that should be between them, their doctors, and others they deem appropriate. Shame on you, you damned misogynist!

            For what did you vote? Throwing 22 million+ people off the affordable health care rolls? Did you vote for the Wall Street / Goldman Sachs slime balls and other assorted billionaire grifters whom he’s chosen for his cabinet? Did you vote for this guy’s pathetic record as a sleazy, so-called “businessman,” his incredible volume of (daily) lies, his devastating views on the environment, his abysmal, narcissistic personality, his appeal to racism, his misogyny, his ignorance, his demagoguery, to mention a few that should have disqualified him from the presidency. What about his many conflicts of interests, like the most recent one in the deal he and his son-in-law made with the Chinese government to apply his “brand” to 38 products and services including an “escort service?”

            Good God, wake up, you fool, and smell the roses!!! This man reeks of corruption that makes Dick Chaney look like an angelic, catholic choir boy.

            • Ha, they’re coming out of the woodwork to attack the only Catholic.

              Catholics do not believe in unjustly killing life in the womb. Neither does the Pope. Hillary Clinton was in favor of it. Donald Trump is not. The decision was easy to make.

              I don’t believe all those people will be left without insurance. They’re still working on hammering this thing out.

              • While I’m replying to an A Catholic Perspective’s comment, this really isn’t directed there, since the ears and eyes appear closed. This is a broader response for those who struggle with reproduction policy issues, as I suspect many do who were raised within conservative religious structures.

                Data show that making abortion illegal doesn’t end abortion: rates are similar regardless of the legality, and even slightly higher in countries where it is illegal. (Source: 2016 research published in the Lancet medical journal, 16 July 2016.) Countries with illegal or severely limited abortion options also overwhelmingly have restricted access to contraception. In other words, in countries where abortion is illegal, there are higher rates of unplanned pregnancies, illegal services and self-induced abortions. The takeaway? Abortions continue at about the same rate, regardless of legality, but illegality increases other risks.

                Those who support safe, legal abortion access as part of comprehensive reproductive health care by and large also support the programs and policies that reduce unplanned/unwanted pregnancies, including health care, affordable and good education, jobs and workforce training, living wages, and so on. We see the connections and recognize this is so much bigger than a question about one procedure.

                Importantly, this also isn’t about being pro-abortion. Rather, it is about ensuring women and their families have everything they need to avoid having to make an abortion decision, then the privacy to make that decision in consultation with a medical professional. That means supporting a range of choices and working to ensure there is structural support to make the outcomes successful for each individual.

                A simplistic abortion debate also leaves out those women who are forced into a decision because of dire medical circumstances that include their own deaths. Even in Catholic Mexico, doctors and the Church honor the validity of that choice. No one — NO ONE — facing such a horrible situation should have to do so within the ugly political climate created by absolutes.

                Throughout the world, every 11 minutes, a woman dies from complications due to an unsafe abortion. That’s 2 women during the time it took me to find my reference file and write this. That’s not OK, and I cannot imagine a god who would think it is, or that I shouldn’t use my knowledge, gifts, privilege and love to change things. If your response is that your god would say, “The wages of sin is death,” then we are speaking from entirely different starting points. And to bring this back to JP’s post, knowing that changes me.

              • you seem to cast judgement that all “liberals” are pro abortion, not true at all, never assume that you know how everyone thinks and feels about abortion no matter their political choice, assuming things only makes you out to be the first 3 letters of the word assume. that word is ass.

            • Karl, I can assure you after reading months worth of stuff from A Catholic Perspective, that he care about one issue and one issue only and that is abortion.

              He doesn’t care about the COnstituion or the Constitutional crisis at hand.

              BTW, he changes his identity often.

              On the other hand, the way he writes here and the opinions he inflicts has been the impetus for the greatest surge in membership for my FB group.

              One way to persist in resistance is my FB group, Gloriamarie’s Progressive Stuff, where I post actions, petitions, info, actual news, evidence, facts. There’s a pinned post that I highly recommend people read. I also ask a screening question so I can keep the spammers and the trolls out. All who read this are invited.

              https://www.facebook.com/groups/gloriamariesprogressivepetitions/

          • You don’t get it. He hasn’t changed. He’s still a misogynist. He’s still promoting bigotry. He made fun of a disabled man. It should have ended right there. Liberals are also angry about electing a man who has no experience in governing and it shows. He’s making the country look awful and encouraging the terrorists.

          • It isn’t as if the comments were made by a 15 year old boy. These comments were made over a period of time as a grown man ,it comes from the core of who he is. Wake up! It isn’t about democratic power, it’s about common decency and respect.

          • You don’t seem to realize why we liberals want our power back. (We haven’t been in power since the ’40s.)
            We use power to make changes that improve people’s lives. Oh, not the very richest people, but everybody else.
            Republicans use power to, as I read recently, comfort the comfortable and afflict the afflicted. That’s the difference.

          • Wow. 10 yo Trump recording isn’t an excuse or gnashing of teeth. It IS a form of weeping though. The words he spoke are only a symptom of the disease, his and the people who accept it. Sad, ugly, heart wrenching tears.

            • Anonymous/Catholic Perspective you really need to give up posting on this site. You aren’t fooling anyone into thinking you are an actual Christian. Your words here bear no fruit of the Spirit, have no basis in scripture, and are useful for nothing but divisiveness and harm. You clearly come here to troll, as this website is all about the humanity Jesus taught, and your posts are the opposite. You call names and denigrate, you have nothing scriptural to say. Do you need a job to keep you busy?
              I do understand why this article upsets you. It describes you perfectly.

          • How can you be so stupid?? Aren’t you paying attention? He STOLE the election (it will eventually be discovered how he did that, but it was with the complicit help of the enemies of democracy) and is currently dismantling every bit of progress made over the last 100 years and is
            r-u-i-n-i-n-g America! Where’s your patriotism??

          • Just goes to show that some people will make any kind of excuse to justify themselves. Trump said this years ago and still believes it and still lives it. His assault on laws that protected women are the proof of it and if you voted for him, you are complicit.

        • It’s important to keep our eyes on what’s important. The half-truth is, yes, we do have to get on with our lives. But if writing a few comments a day at a blog helps us, so much the better.

          And of course there are midterm elections and getting active locally. The catharsis can’t last forever, but it’s good to know others feel as we do.

        • Clinton, Bill is. Just as bad .our but wait, he only got caught doing it with an intern almost as young as his daughter, not jjjust talking. But I bet he can talk about good game too, probably could Teach Donald something new.

          • He was wrong. Yes. So, does that make it ok to elect Trump? He cheated on two wives and tried to cheat on a third. If you are angry about Bill shouldn’t you have dropp kicked Trump?
            BTW Bill didn’t run and he isn’t President.

          • Lyn, are you unable to defend Trump without bringing up the Clintons or Obama? I don’t tolerate that from my children, do you? “But mom, Steve hits his brother a lot harder than I hit mine!” “But mom, Johnny rapes more girls than I do!” Fortunately, those things would never come out of my child’s mouth because he has been raised to be accountable, respectful, and honest. Trump is none of those things.

          • If you equate Bill Clinton’s impeachment based on his own personal moral failure – with Trump’s blatant disrespect for women AND his rape of American Democracy, then you’re nuts. Period.

          • By our standards, as hypocritical as they often are, what Clinton did was clearly wrong. His marriage survived the disgrace and turmoil he caused to his family. The salient difference between Clinton and Trump was that Trump bragged about his disrespectful, disgusting behavior and was openly “proud” of what he did to women.

          • Lyn, are you concerned that we don’t hear you? You’ve posted this same comment multiple times, though with slightly different words each time.

            We hear you, but people will dismiss you as a troll if you, well, troll.

            Re Bill Clinton: He was punished with an impeachment vote in the House, and he and his family continue paying politically. Trump — who, as others here have said, cheated multiple times and bragged about groping women and entering their dressing rooms at pageants — was rewarded with the presidency. So, yeah, kinda different outcomes.

            • Julia (W)

              I have come to the conclusion that conservative harping on Bill’s sins, of which he has apparently repented and gets no credit for it, is a red herring because they don’t want to face up ti the fact that the Occupant has committed many far worse sexual sins, when we include child molestation, rape, multiple mistresses, etc.

              They don’t want to admit to his sexual sins because all the other hideous stuff he spews is consistent with their authoritarian, bigoted, fascist, gynophobic, homophobic, intolerant of differences, isolationist, misogynistic, prejudiced, racist, transgenderphobic, white supremacist, and xenophobic worldviews for which they refuse to acknowledge and face the consequences.

              But maybe when the hungry starve, the naked freeze, the sick die, and the needy pass away and they realize that they are left with a planet that cannot support life which is in the hands of the 2%, maybe then those who voted for the GOP, third parities and didn’t vote at all will see what they unleashed not only on the USA but the world.

              At the very least it will be another Great Depression.

              One way to persist in resistance is my FB group, Gloriamarie’s Progressive Stuff, where I post actions, petitions, info, actual news, evidence, facts. There’s a pinned post that I highly recommend people read. I also ask a screening question so I can keep the spammers and the trolls out. All who read this are invited.

              https://www.facebook.com/groups/gloriamariesprogressivepetitions/

          • Unless he’s lying (!) neither did The Donald. And lots of women agree he tried to rape them and mostly failed.
            Trump is rich trash. He has no redeeming virtue.

          • Bill Clinton allowed an adult woman to perform fellatio on him. That consensual act is between him and his wife, and they seem to have worked through it. Further, he actually apologized publicly to his family and the nation and took accountability. Don the Con describes his actions as a predator who sexually assaults women. Many women have come forward, although some have withdrawn the charges because of the death threats from those sweet, gun toting Christians like you.

        • Thank you! Yes…..the article was clear about how having such a person as president has impacted the writer’s life. My life has been similarly impacted.

          • Same here, Jaideelady. I have been following politics since Carter and I have not seen anything like this. The closest is Reagan but he was more intelligent and had a far better character. Reagan was a peace-loving liberal compared to Trump, his administration and the GOP. When Reagan was elected and then became President I don’t remember bullies finding students who were “different” to harass, threaten, and beat up that very day. This is what seemed to happen in school when Trump was both elected and became President. This is not a normal situation and our response to this should not be “business as usual”.

        • You would be surprised at what I can understand Viv, if you speak slowly and use very simple words. Why don’t you try?

          The point of this blog post was to dredge up something from six months ago because apparently the blog host was desperate for material and running out of ammo against Trump. Gotta keep that Trump-hate alive.

          What you and yours don’t seem to get is that we did not “elevate” or “reward” Trump because of his naughty talking caught on tape over ten years ago. What he said was disgusting, but how we got to hear it and the timing of its release was about a million times more disgusting. What kind of sleazy people would sit on this recording and then release at a time in which it could ruin an election, with no time for the Republicans to find a new candidate? I’m very happy that there weren’t enough voters who were swayed by this dirty political trick by the Democrats and their accomplices in the media to cost Trump the election.

          I do get that you lost the election and liberalism and the elite in Washington have been dealt a mortal blow and you will be crying about your applecart being upset for a long long time and you will use any excuse to attack Trump every day.

          • Wait. You are blaming people for releasing it during an election? He showed what hi is. Why wouldn’t they?
            Trump said it. It’s the way he is. You elected him anyway despite the disrespect he shows women. Own it.

            • Sure I own it. And I didn’t let the liberal media and the Hillary campaign manipulate me with a political dirty trick.

              That recording didn’t make Hillary’s unacceptable policies any more acceptable.

              • But you voted for a liar, an adulterer, and someone who asked his mistress to have an abortion.
                Plus, his policies will hurt the elderly, the poor, and the infirm.
                Yeah. That makes sense.

          • A Catholic Perspective, this post confirms that no matter how slowly we type and how simply we explain to you, you have no interest in doing anything but trolling. You apparently didn’t understand the article. It was not an attack on Trump. It was a call to those so called Christians who jumped behind the least Godly man to be found under any rock in centuries and claimed him as their champion. Your ugly posts here are nothing but your anger and bitterness. Why you choose to take it out on people who are trying to find a way to bring Christ back into the mix in the wake of 18% of the population (largely Christians who sold out) voting this tragedy into office, is puzzling. If this were simply about you thinking differently and loving Trump, you wouldn’t be reading Pavlovitz. You are clearly present here for no other reason than your petty desire to be nasty to Christians. What do you have against Christians?

            • Katsy Kline, please allow me to share some info with you, if you don’t mind. Joe ACP (A Catholic Perspective) posts here under several aliases, always trying to trick people into his snare.

              He has two obsessions and no matter how far removed they are from the content of what John has written he will always steer his spew to the god of his idolatry, Trump, and also to his pathological and perverse obession with what women do with their very own bodies.

              You already see how he ignores questions as well as evidence, facts, and simple truth. He rejects anything that would contradict his bigoted prejudices.

              Strong language, harsh words, I know, but he has told many and many a lie about me and has the nerve to object when we call him a troll because that is his sole purpose here, whatever he calls himself.

      • You didn’t get the point of the article. This is isn’t about being bummed out because the writer’s candidate didn’t win. It has nothing to do with that. This is about how disturbing the extremely outrageous attitude and behavior was of the man who got elected, and the fact that so many people overlooked it/condoned it by voting him into office. The millions of us who feel this dismay have lived through other elections where our candidate didn’t win, and we all “moved on” and “got on with our lives”. We know the difference between political disagreements and moral insults. This man is different, and he has morally and ethically offended us in a way rarely seen before. (Yes, Bill Clinton was objectionable in many moral ways too, before anyone says it, but really? Like #45? Not even close.) So, please listen to what people are saying when they talk about disliking Trump. It is not a political disappointment they are lamenting, it is the abominable things he’s saying and doing that are causing our vocal outrage.

          • His statements were about the way some men talk. I don’t talk that way myself and don’t like that kind of talk, but he made a good point that it was just that–talk. It was not an admission of assault. And the comments are 10 years old. I expect that Trump has learned something from that embarrassing political dirty trick and that he has cleaned up his language.

            • That is it right there …..that ! You see it as his language ….but it’s not just his language….it’s his perspective on women …..it’s who he is. No more mansplaining on the issues ……you either get that he is sexist or you don’t.

              • You don’t get that someone can change after 10 years.

                You don’t get that the woman caught in adultery who was told to “go and sin no more,” could go on to become chaste and virtuous.

                • That is exactly the point. He can change. But he has chosen not to. We could hark back ten years to the video tape, or instead we can listen to his current commentary on women. What he said about women while he was on the campaign trail was absolutely vile. Do we think that those attitudes were magically changed when he assumed the presidency?

                  • Exactly, Patricia. The man is seventy years old and has had plenty of time to change and doesn’t.

                    His wife looks terrified of him, he puts his hands all over Ivanka in a way that I find pervertedly creepy, and his sons are egotistic bullies>

                    BTW, Welcome to Gloriamarie’s Progressive Stuff. I was so delighted to see you there that I approved you and forgot to read your reason for joining and now I wish I hadn’t moved my hand so fast.

                    One way to persist in resistance is my FB group, Gloriamarie’s Progressive Stuff, where I post actions, petitions, info, actual news, evidence, facts. There’s a pinned post that I highly recommend people read. I also ask a screening question so I can keep the spammers and the trolls out. All who read this are invited.

                    https://www.facebook.com/groups/gloriamariesprogressivepetitions/

                  • The Occupant is also on record for saying that he has never asked for forgiveness because he has never done anything that needed it.

                    He said this after all those evangelicals/fundamentalists raved and raved that he had become “born again” but clearly they had to have been lying because part of being born again requires one to ask for forgiveness of one’s sins. That is part of their magic formula.

            • A Catholic Perspective! You absolutely DO talk that way! You are spewing that here with all the name calling and denigration you post. Your willful ignorance here is absurd, but your inability to accept responsibility for your behavior here is beyond the pale.

              • Katsy Kline, many people have told Joe ACP these exact same things. Nothing gets through his thick shell of denial.

      • 45 can do a lot of damage in 4 years. We must resist and hold 45 responsible for his actions. We must hold him accountable.

      • I am a practicing Catholic and your perspective is certainly not mine. This is like nothing I have ever seen. Everything this country stands for is under attack. This man (45) is evil. He is a pretender. I will not “get over” the fact that he won. I will resist with every fiber of my being, praying for him while I do it.
        John, I just discovered you and I’m so glad I did. I didn’t know you pre-Trump but just love everything you write about. You are the voice of reason and common sense.

        • You say you are a practicing Catholic?

          This would mean that you believe and practice what the Catholic Church says about homosexuality, abortion, and contraception, to name a few.

          Are we on the same page? Do you know that most Catholics voted for Trump? As a practicing Catholic you would also be against the injustice of abortion and many of us supported Trump because he promised pro-life Supreme Court Justices. We know that would not have happened with Hillary. Aren’t you at least happy about that?

            • How do you define “most”?

              I suspect those figures include everyone who checks the “Catholic” box which would mean these numbers are skewed by non-practicing Catholics. I bet the figures are much higher (in favor of Trump) for those who go to Mass every Sunday and who believe and understand their faith.

              • Here is something viciously cruel your idol wants to do. What more will it take that to convince you you have sold your soul to the devil?

                Trump Just Announced Plan To End ‘Meals On Wheels’ For Seniors

                BY BENJAMIN LOCKE

                PUBLISHED ON MARCH 15, 2017
                Throughout his campaign for president and since his election, Donald Trump has promised to reduce the size of government, cut taxes, eliminate regulations and slash numerous social programs, even as he boosts defense spending by billions.

                His recently released budget proposal makes it clear he’s going to follow through on those threats.

                One popular program facing elimination is “Meals On Wheels,” which uses federal funds from the Department of Housing and Urban Development to mobilize volunteers, businesses and donors to provide nutrition to thousands of senior citizens on a daily basis. It supports over 5,000 community-based organizations across America, reaching people in both urban and rural areas.

                The money for Meals On Wheels is part of the Older American Act, first passed in 1965 as part of LBJ’s Great Society, and endorsed by every president until Trump. The total cost, which includes other programs, is about $2 billion a year, which is less than the government hands out in fossil fuel subsidies every year.

                Meals On Wheels alone costs about $3 million a year, which is the cost of just one trip to Trump’s “winter White House.”

                On top of that, Trump’s proposed budget would “drastically reduce” the budget of the Food For Peace program, a State Department program that distributes desperately needed food supplies to areas across the globe that have been hit by famine or natural disaster. Since its creation in 1954 by President Eisenhower, it has helped feed more than 3 billion people.

                It too has a budget that barely scratches $2 billion dollars – a drop in the bucket compared to the $54 billion that Trump is planning to pour into the military budget.

                Overall, the entire State Department budget also faces the ax, with a proposal to cut the $50 billion budget by almost one-third. It could have been worse, but Secretary of State Rex Tillerson made a plea to ease the cuts, which in an earlier version were at a staggering 37 percent.

                The needless cuts to critically important programs like Meals on Wheels and Food For Peace are literally taking food out of the mouths of hungry people. The State Department’s work around the world helps millions of people and builds much-needed goodwill for America’s international reputation, which has been dragged through the mud by President Trump’s abrasive isolationism.

                Luckily, there was immediately Republican opposition to many of the proposed cuts. Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell of Kentucky says his party will not go along with the massive cuts to the State Department budget. Among the cuts, he said Republicans will oppose cuts in funding for the U.S. Agency for International Development.

                Elderly people voted overwhelmingly for President Trump – and this is how he’s choosing to repay them. In 2014, 10.2 million American seniors faced the risk of hunger – a staggering 15% of all elder Americans. Trump needs to be pouring money into “Meals On Wheels,” not taking an axe to it.

                It is absolutely appalling that in the richest nation in the world, our seniors cannot live their golden years without worrying where their next meal is coming from. Trump’s budget priorities tell you all you need to know about how he really feels about the struggles of the American people.

                President Trump has made it clear once and for all that he cares nothing for the American people who are unlikely to ever dine with him at Mar-A-Lago and is willing to send millions of the most vulnerable into food insecurity and poverty just so that he can funnel the public’s money into the pockets of defense contractors and the ultrawealthy.

                http://occupydemocrats.com/2017/03/15/trump-just-announced-plan-end-meals-wheels-seniors/

                • Can I weep now for those that depend on Meals on Wheels for survival, including my neighbors that deliver the meals as well?

                  • What else can we do but weep? Meals on Wheels is a pittance in the budget. As SNAP at only three percent of the budget.

                    Weep also for those threatened by homeless if they really due cut $7.7 billion dollars from the HUD budget because that will mean, among other things, cuts to the rental assistance programs.

                    The irony is this: the red states who voted for the GOP are the states who receive the most money from all of the various programs and they are the same people who voted for the people who want to cut them.

                    People have listened to and believed so many lies that fit their personal prejudices, that they have cut off their noses to spite their faces and they don’t even know it.

                    One way to persist in resistance is my FB group, Gloriamarie’s Progressive Stuff, where I post actions, petitions, info, actual news, evidence, facts. There’s a pinned post that I highly recommend people read. I also ask a screening question so I can keep the spammers and the trolls out. All who read this are invited.

                    https://www.facebook.com/groups/gloriamariesprogressivepetitions/

          • I am a practicing catholic and did NOT vote for tRump! Do you support OUR leader? Pope Francis? Do you know when 45 said about Francis and his comments about building bridges not walls?

            • Of course I support the Pope.

              As a Catholic, I had to place priority on the grave evil that our country has embraced, and had to vote against a rabid pro-abortion candidate and for one who promised Supreme Court Justices which could have an impact on the unjust Roe v Wade ruling.

              You do realize, however, that the Pope has no authority to tell Catholics to vote for or against specific candidates, don’t you? His authority lies in the realm of faith and morals, and I am 100% in alignment with him there. You are in alignment with him as well if you are a practicing Catholic, which means you oppose the injustice of abortion, understand that homosexual acts are sins and gravely disordered and would not support same-sex marriage, oppose the use of contraception, etc. You also believe everything the Creed says and believe what the Church teaches about the Sacraments. We’re on the same page there, right?

              • “Thou shalt not bear false witness.”

                Hilary is not pro-abortion. Hilary, like me, is pro-choice. There is a great difference in the two.

                • Unfortunately, David Allen, the difference between them is contradictory to his opinions which are not based on fact. He refuses to accept that not everyone who is pro-choice may not be pro-abortion.

                  Pro-choice is a much wider stance, taking into account all sorts of circumstances that he dismisses as irrelevant as long as the baby is born.

                  He is all in favor of cutting the types of services that provide for neo-natal care, food for mother and child, programs that would allow a child to flourish and be educated.

                  But, hey, as long as it was not aborted…

                  One way to persist in resistance is my FB group, Gloriamarie’s Progressive Stuff, where I post actions, petitions, info, actual news, evidence, facts. There’s a pinned post that I highly recommend people read. I also ask a screening question so I can keep the spammers and the trolls out. All who read this are invited.

                  https://www.facebook.com/groups/gloriamariesprogressivepetitions/

          • A Catholic Perspective we are not bound by old testament law, and the Catholic Church is still apologizing to groups of people because they harmed them with their “doctrine.” Not even all Catholic priests and Bishops believe exactly the same thing. Eventually, the Catholic Church will figure out they are wrong on a couple of these things, too. Nowhere in the Bible does it say that the zygote is imbued with a soul. The Bible says over and over that the human begins with the first breath. The Israelite priests had instruction to force an abortion if a man SUSPECTED his wife of cheating. God ordered abortions on a regular basis in the old testament. Is there life when a sperm fertilizes an egg? Yes, in the same way a plant grows through cell division. But the Bible says God breathes life into a human with the first breath. This isn’t the 1st or last thing that the Church will come to understand down the road, or the first rotten thing the Church (and by that I mean the big Church, Christ’s bride) has done as a way to keep women in their “place.” Many denominations have taken accountability and apologized to LGBT Christians for the persecution and cherry picking scripture to back their feeling, in the same way many churches have had to take accountability and apologize for their role in maintaining slavery, segregation, and oppression of women.

        • Elizabeth, welcome. We need rational, reasonable, sane Catholics to point out the person’s rabid view of Catholicism, he who posts under many names but right now as A Catholic Perspective. He lures people into his web sounding reasonable and then when people are disgusted, he switches identities. He has had a LOT of them over the months I’ve been here. And if you offer a POV or an experience of Catholicism that is different from his, he will call you a liar. And worse. Yes, I’ve been burnt.

          • To Gloriamarie, thank you for pointing that out, about “A Catholic Perspective.” I’m new to this site, so am not familiar. So – I’m not going to waste any more time on that troll…. I’m going to go get some sleep now. Buonasera!

            • There is nothing I can do about my personal harrasser, except ignore it. You will find that you can have a civil and respectful discussion with me if you want that and the door is always open.

              • A Catholic Perspective – “You will find that you can have a civil and respectful discussion with me if you want that and the door is always open.” Your posts here provide evidence to the contrary. You have done nothing but denigrate and call names. Your very presence on this site indicates you are looking for a fight.

            • Patti, he will probably mention that he converted to the RCC, and you know what they say about converts. “More Catholic than the Pope.”

              Yes, it’s a waste of time to try to talk with him he only has a few points which he makes over and over and he only cares about one issue. Hope you slept well.

                • Thank you, Patti. I like to think I am although Certain People here think I am the devil’s spawn. LOL I am flattered to be treated as they treat John P and the rest of us who love what John writes.

                  One way to persist in resistance is my FB group, Gloriamarie’s Progressive Stuff, where I post actions, petitions, info, actual news, evidence, facts. There’s a pinned post that I highly recommend people read. I also ask a screening question so I can keep the spammers and the trolls out. All who read this are invited.

                  https://www.facebook.com/groups/gloriamariesprogressivepetitions/

      • Think about your eternal soul, you seen unaware your following real sinner, do you really think your values are inline with God ?

      • Please change your ID here. I went to Catholic school or 12 years. While I’m not currently a regular church-goer, I feel the right to be outraged. Your perspective is neither “Catholic” nor “catholic.” Joe Biden is a Catholic, Tim Kaine is a Catholic. I could go on. You do not speak for Catholics.

        • I speak for practicing Catholics. I don’t speak for “cafeteria Catholics” like Biden or Kaine who betray their faith for the sake of political ambition.

          You have a right to be outraged over whatever you choose to be outraged over, but there is no reasonable basis for it. Specifically, what have I said that you think goes against Catholicism?

          Most Catholics voted for Trump (as they should have considering basic right to life issues).

          • You actually can only speak for yourself ….you have no authority to speak for anyone else. I prefer my politics to be free of religion. Religion is like a penis you know …it’s ok to have it and be proud of it …but don’t go waving around and shoving it down other people’s throats.

          • To A Catholic Perspective: You don’t get IT. Do you think Pope Francis condones 45’s behavior?
            It is so much more than a “right to life” issue. I want you to REALLY think about those words – right-to-life.

          • They haven’t betrayed their faith. They just don’t push it down everyone’s throat.
            If your support Trump, you are supporting an adulterous person who has already proclaimed he was prochoice. He even encouraged Marla to get an abortion. You support that.

          • Catholic Perspective it’s good to know that you think so highly of yourself that you are a better practicing Catholic than the Pope.
            “These six things the Lord hates, yes, seven are an abomination to Him: A proud look, a lying tongue, hands that shed innocent blood, a heart that devises wicked plans, feet that are swift in running to evil, a false witness who speaks lies, and one who sows discord among brethren” (Proverbs 6:16-19). So far your stunning arrogance, dishonesty, backing of (running to )Trump’s evil, and you have done nothing here but try to sow discord.

      • It is quite disingenuous to equate Bill Clinton or Barak Obama to the malignant stain on humanity that is trump. Disagree with their policies or political affiliations all day long but the men themselves were head and shoulders above this human impersonator. They both came from single parent homes with modest means and educated themselves, they worked hard for their accomplishments, are highly intelligent and embody the truest meaning of what it is to be American. The current occupant of the White House on the other hand was born into wealth and was given every opportunity and can hardly use complete sentences or comport himself like an adult. There is no excuse for allowing this embarrassment to become dogcatcher let alone hold the highest elected office. Of course you were the same, the previous Presidents did not start to dismantle the government and endanger the health, security and welfare of the country the minute they walked into the Oval Office. Every time I see him hold up his ridiculous signature like it’s some sort of accomplishment to sign his name on legislation he probably hasn’t read and doesn’t understand, I want to throw up!

      • If this is a “Catholic perspective”, then I am glad I left the Catholic church after over 40 years. The so-called Republican conservatism is nothing more than a throwback to more repressive days. The more liberal/progressive attitudes of the Clinton and Obama administrations allowed the common people to improve their lot.

      • Wow. You really don’t get it. There is no obsession or drama. The drama lies in #45. How can you even compare 45 to Bill Clinton or Barack Obama. There is NO comparison, not even close. This isn’t about “getting over it.” It IS about human rights and our democracy, and even our planet at high risk. I can’t even imagine anything bigger to think about, at this time.
        And to be honest, four years may be too late. If this continues, it will take a long, long time to recover from the damage, if that is even possible. I suggest you read John’s essay again, with an open mind and heart.
        And BTW, I was raised Catholic,…

        • You were raised a Catholic? Lucky you. I didn’t have that privilege and didn’t find my way into the fullness of Christianity until I was almost 40.

          Justice for all from conception until death is an important concept to practicing Catholics and I had no choice but to vote for Trump. It was worth voting for him for the Supreme Court alone, but I think he will do many other good things for our country.

          The stock market has hit new highs and I think about 400,000 jobs have been added since he’s become President.

          • Catholic Perspective “I had no choice”….? That’s exactly the cowardly garbage Pavlovitz is calling out in this article. Just take accountability and say it:”I voted for a mysoginistic, sexually predatory, draft dodging, tax evading, Narcissistic Personality Disordered, failed business man and I’m proud of it! I will vote for anyone who will help me maintain the white, male power that I believe is my right. I joined the Church because in many ways the Christian Church has served to institutionalize these values and I will beat down anyone who tries to give bimbos or fags human rights.” See Catholic Perspective? At least if you just said it outright like I just showed you, we all might muster a modicum of respect for you.

          • Ohhh now it makes sense why you’re like this. The funny thing is most people claim “I was born this way” but no – you chose to be like this!

            Isn’t Choice GRAND?

            Your narrow, Born-again perspective is what is killing this country. Your privilege is so blind. You can’t even see that you are precisely the “them” that this article is about. You can’t see how one belief system does NOT WORK for everyone.

            Living in the dark ages must suit you though because you are TERRIFYING.

        • Patti Aroneseno, I too was raised Catholic and he has called me a liar because my experience of the RCC doesn’t match his. So, please, be prepared for that.

          Something else that is at stake is the U S Constitution and here is a prophetic Roman Catholic voice to warn us of that:

          Is there anything left in which we can all believe?
          by Sr. Joan Chittister

          We’re left with an election — and a question. Perhaps the greatest question of them all at this point: Is unity really possible in the United States at a time of apparently unremitting partisanship?
          After a season of lies and fake news, of bogus polls and low-brow labels, of attacks on everything American — the honesty of its election process, the integrity of its institutions, the quality of its candidates — the country stands stranded in the wet cement of division. The question is as simple a one as it is a great one: Now what? As we try to pretend that we have just gone through a business-as-usual election, where shall we go for national unity?

          Maybe the problem is that we have been Republicans and Democrats longer than such categories have been helpful to the cohesion of the nation. The differences between the two are guides to different ways of seeing the world, yes. Beyond that, however, in terms of being able to cure those divisions, it is more than possible that they are exactly the problem.

          Case in point: the presidential election of 2016.

          The remainder of the article can be read here: https://www.ncronline.org/blogs/where-i-stand/there-anything-left-which-we-can-all-believe

      • I will not think about making it to heaven if that means not supporting those who are suffering and will suffer as a result of this election.

      • There is s huge difference, the anger toward other newly elected Presidents was based largely on false propaganda or race. DT has shown himself, his own words and actions reveal what he is. No mater how long or short he is here, the damage he has already caused, just to civility & foreign relations, not to mention all that he’s trying to do legislatively, will be long suffering. It’s the next 4 generations, not years, I’m worried about.

      • As another catholic I disagree with your comparison of Clinton and Obama to The person that is the president now. This man, Trump, degrades women and the handicap.
        I fear our country is in major trouble.
        In four years much can change under his presidency. Just look at what is being proposed since January 20th!

        • Karen, the person you are addressing is delighted with everything that has happened since 1/20/17.

          He rejoices that Meals on Wheels is to be shut down because it is Big Goverment despite the fact The Largest Budget is for the DOD, more than the next twenty countries combined.

          He is glad the EPA is to be shut down because it is Big Government and doesn’t believe that the planet will die.

          He is happy that $7.7 billion dollars is to be cut from HUD because it is Big Government and he doesn’t care if the homeless population increases.

          He looks forward to all sorts of de-regulations because regulations interfere with hsi ability to make a profit.

          He is on record as saying all of these things.

        • As a Catholic you can at least be happy with the types of Justices Trump has promised to appoint. You do hope he succeeds in fighting the injustice of abortion, don’t you? Under Hillary, the unborn would not have had a fighting chance. There is a possibility under Trump that some ground could be made in defeating our unjust abortion culture.

      • It is better to make life good for those actually living on earth in the here and now than think people will get just rewards in some after life. All we really know is now. Now is the time to
        practice kindness, generosity, humanity and also the time to reject ugly words and behaviours – as loudly as necessary. Now is the time to work as hard as you can for human rights and justice. You can have faith in whatever you wish but you are alive for sure in this moment.

        • Judi Freed, I agree with everything you’ve said and would add it is when Christians act this way that people are attracted to the faith. Acting any other way repels people from it. As we can see from the comments to this blog by many people who have been driven from the church because of the conservative right spew.

          One way to persist in resistance is my FB group, Gloriamarie’s Progressive Stuff, where I post actions, petitions, info, actual news, evidence, facts. There’s a pinned post that I highly recommend people read. I also ask a screening question so I can keep the spammers and the trolls out. All who read this are invited.

          https://www.facebook.com/groups/gloriamariesprogressivepetitions/

      • You’re a Christian and you’re Ok with all the hate and hate mongering? You’re Ok with mistreatment of women, minorities and followers of other religions besides Christianity? Remember, Christ was a Middle-Eastern Jew, as was his entire family.

      • Truth and well said. I’ve never seen the amount of true hatred for a candidate and a civil war may ensue by the hate democrats can’t let go of. I don’t like him either but there’s a good chance he’ll be dead in the next 10-20 years as I probably will be as well. Hillary was a bad woman and maybe next time both will end up with better candidates in the final election. I’m over an election in about a week when my candidate looses. So much drama and if a civil war erupts and people really start dying I hope you all don’t have any regrets when your grand babies go hungry. It can happen, our’s becomes another Syria.

        • And there it is. “Hillary was a bad woman.” Exactly what people have been saying all along. Women are held to a wildly different standard of conduct than men are. Hillary wasn’t worse than 45 or as bad as 45. She was a bad woman. She was uppity. She climbed above her station. She had the nerve to speak and sound intelligent. She had the grace and courage to forgive her husband. She was a bad, bad woman.

          • Yup. Her male enemies are gynophobic and misogynist. Her female enemies have been brainwashed by the gynophobes and misogynists.

            Hillary is a beautiful example of what it is to be a feminist and that just makes people’s head explode.

            One way to persist in resistance is my FB group, Gloriamarie’s Progressive Stuff, where I post actions, petitions, info, actual news, evidence, facts. There’s a pinned post that I highly recommend people read. I also ask a screening question so I can keep the spammers and the trolls out. All who read this are invited.

            https://www.facebook.com/groups/gloriamariesprogressivepetitions/

          • She hitched her wagon to her husband. Her husband’s philandering was a way of life–not just a moment with Monica. She put up with it for the sake of her own political ambitions. She rode to prominence on the coattails of her husband, and I think that might be part of the reason that she was defeated–that she felt “entitled” to the Presidency, as if she were a queen waiting to be coronated.

            Nobody was against Hillary because she was an “uppity woman.” It was because she would have been a bad president. I hope and pray we do have a woman President some day (Republican and pro-life of course).

      • I am curious why this is labeled “A Catholic Perspective.” I’m a practicing Catholic but your statement does not come close to my thinking.

        • It’s nice to see a fellow Catholic here. We are few and far between. What did I say that you think is not “Catholic”?

          • Hey, Joe! Thanks to your comments, I’ve two more members of Gloriamarie’s Progressive Stuff in the last hour. That’s twenty-seven new members in the last two days alone.

            Shall we strive for an even thirty before the end of today? Come on, I know you can do it.

            One way to persist in resistance is my FB group, Gloriamarie’s Progressive Stuff, where I post actions, petitions, info, actual news, evidence, facts. There’s a pinned post that I highly recommend people read. I also ask a screening question so I can keep the spammers and the trolls out. All who read this are invited.

            https://www.facebook.com/groups/gloriamariesprogressivepetitions/

      • What a minor league thinker you are. “Think about your eternal sour and making it to Heaven”. You’re the definition of being so heavenly minded you’re of no earthly good.

      • The most sensible comment yet. I am astounded at the backlash. We vote every four years. Each of us has had to endure a presidency we did not want and a candidate who went against our principles. A person, party or anything less than the spirit of God will I allow to change me. As a Christian, the writer is need of understanding who they are in Christ and that is only found in His Word and faith to believe what it says.

        • I think John knows who he is in Christ. Christ asked for us to help the least of those. Trump is not doing that. He’s cutting needs programs, educational programs, and health care. How can that be good?

      • Then YOU are part of the problem…IF you do not understand that we are not mad that this “man” WON…we are mad that IN SPITE OF EVERYTHING, 62 MILLION “CHRISTIANS” decided to turn a blind eye and cast their vote for this person. I could care less WHO wins or who looses…I DO CARE that this “man” is supposed to represent the ENTIRE AMERICAN PUBLIC and yet he is making money hand-over-foot on the backs of the poor, the elderly, the sick, the children, he is lining his own pockets, he is in cahoots with Vladimir Putin, he is dropping bombs to “prove” he is a “man”…and that YOU SEEM TO THINK THAT ALL OF THIS IS “OKAY”…THAT is why we are mad!!

      • So true…. Life goes on… Get over it…. Love your family, love your friends. We can disagree… …. why should voting make us hate those we always loved ? Locker talk, disrespect talk…. did not start with Trump, will not end with him.. Ok for Bill to act shameful while in office… i didnt hate my friends who voted for him.

        • I don’t hate Trump voters or supporters, but I do hate the bigotry and hatred that what unleashed by Trump’s campaign and his party’s determination to carry out some of it. I also hate that Trump got the endorsement of the Fundamentalist Christians when, first of all, they have no right to endorse any candidate to their flock to the point of equating voting against Trump is “a sin”, and second the Fundamentalist churches should not be acting as Political Action Committees as they had during this election. In my opinion no church should be as a Political Action Committee. JP likes the Clinton campaign because of her stated support of diversity and her efforts in trying to make that happen in our country. May be he is skating the line but his point about the Trump administration and the GOP’s determination to hurt and punish people makes sense. I was NOT Gung-Ho for Clinton, as she offered nothing to a portion of the rural comunities in terrible pain, of which I have witnessed myself, but where she was silent on that Trump was a fraud. I think when JP stated that when Trump won we all lost is accurate. Trump is a fraud that will not help the communities that voted for him, in fact he may damage them further. He will do nothing about the corruption around DC except to make it flourish as opposed to Clinton not having this on her radar as all. America chose bad candidates and some of the Trump voters did not vote for Trump, they voted against Clinton because they want change, any change, from their present situation. Many Clinton voters did not vote for her, they voted against Trump because they were afraid of him and his campaign of hate and anger against those that didn’t think like him.

          Again, Carol, Trump’s political campaign has not been seen the like since the days of Presidents Harding and Coolidge, both allegedly supported by the KKK, and it not normal for these modern times. JP is fighting the results of this hate reborn tooth and nail, just like millions of Americans.

        • Carol, I’m truly happy for people who are able to treat this as a normal election. Please consider listening closely to those of us who who find the outcome deeply unsettling in a way that goes well beyond “normal” election outcomes. The reasons are many; what matters is that they’re valid and represent a seismic shift in the way many of us understand our country, leadership and fellow voters. That shift is represented, in part, by the way Trump is embraced openly by large numbers of Christians in spite of his decidedly non-Christlike words and behaviors. These same groups also generally have pegged those opposed to him as sinful. It’s enough to leave one reeling.

  1. Y’all know I’m weird. When I was near the end of John’s quote of the italicized Trump words, I thought about all the video events related to Trump today, like James Comey at the FBI testifying before Congress about whether he actually has a Russia-Trump Collusion investigation already underway, the music just went off like an explosion in my head:

    “Video killed the p*ssy grab star”
    “Video killed the P*ssy grab star”

    Take it from here with your own words:

  2. John,
    I definitely agree with your words. DJT is a despicable human being who is not worthy of the Oval Office. Saying that, is it not possible that President Obama, President Clinton, and other Presidents (FDR) said, did, disparaging things toward women? They were just smart enough not to get caught or recorded. Remember Monica Lewinsky. President Clinton has received pardon for his transgression and has become a better man. Everyone, including “The Occupant”, is worthy of redemption.

      • ooh Bill Clinton had a consensual affair.

        Trump bragged about sexual assault, walking in on naked teen girls and is the most corrupt SOB in the country and is selling the country out to Putin.

        And you in your delusions thinks that is the same thing.

        • I voted for Clinton; I like him despite his downfall. But I would hardly call his Lewinsky tryst a consensual affair. Clinton had the power, Monica was a young, star-gazed intern who fell into the spider’s lair. What Clinton did would be considered sexual harassment in corporate America.

          • She was adult, no longer a virgin, she was the initiator intentionally trying to seduce an older, married man. Yes, there are power issues, but she made the initial choice to step into that ring, and I am tired beyond belief at those who treat her as the innocent youngster who fell to a predator. SHE chose to act as the predator. She snapped her thong. She enjoyed her victory–sleeping with a powerful married man in secret. Allow her the dignity of her adulthood, and the consequences of her own damned decisions. Clinton has to carry his own burden–he fished off the office pier, he betrayed his own marriage, he damaged his own reputation for all time. He did not prey on an unaware little baby, though–she bagged him, even if he was easy prey.

            • Thank you, Peg. I’ve gotten kinda tired of pointing out that Monica was an adult with agency. She made her choices and what does it say about her that preyed on another woman’s husband?

              Yes, Bill was at fault but as far as I am concerned, both of them were at fault.

              • Hail, Hail Gloria Marie & Peg, Monica was of consenting age, and yes she targeted a married man, and was encurraged by another to set up the President. In no way does that clear Clinton, he did wrong and betrayed his wife and marriage.
                But, if you look at their marriage it didn’t end, it became stronger and he repented and became a better man.
                No comparison at all to Trump, period.

        • By the way Catholic Perspective, before you claim that I’m calling Don names, note that those are simply verified descriptors, not names or conspiracy theories like “the liberal media” or “liberal snowflakes”

      • Bill Clinton isn’t in office. He wasn’t even in the running. If you are so outraged by Clinton then why support an adulterer like Trump?

    • Warren G. Harding had an underground tunnel to sneak his flapper girlfriends into the White House. History remembers him as the most corrupt of all the past Presidents. He’s got company coming now.

    • John, Saying “disparaging” remarks against women is NOT a crime. Comedians have made good livings from it; and perfectly good and loving husbands have said them in and out of earshot of their partners…just as women and wives have also made their share of jokes at the male expense. What Trump has said and done and happily admitted to doing (Howard Stern tapes) goes so far beyond the definition of “disparaging” as to get lost in the stratosphere. Add to that his public ridicule of a disabled man, his racist comments about a Muslim wife and mother of a dead soldier, and the list goes on. But I DO think you hit t he nail on the head with “occupant”. That’s all he is…and NOT my president.

      • All right U.S. Marine band!!! Let’s strike up “Hail to the Occupant.”

        No. I’m not drunk—just stayed up all night and greeted the morn a bit on the punchy side.

      • Terry, to me there’s a difference between pointing out the funny behaviors all people have and being disparaging. It’s a matter of the emotions behind the comment. If the joke (or “joke”) is done from a position of assumed superiority, it is disparaging.
        I also feel that comedians making a “good living” from making jokes about women is also disparaging, but is accepted because of the ongoing attitudes in our society. I suppose that the female comics making jokes about men evens it out, but that still creates an unease for me. And I will even differentiate between those comedians who make jokes about (gender here) generally and those who drag their spouses or significant others into the routine and are not making blanket statements about the entire population of either gender. Does that make sense?
        And what husbands and wives (or any committed pairing) says to each other (that would be considered joking) is not my business. But remember, there is always an element of truth in a joke or it wouldn’t be funny. So motive and method of delivery (or how often this particular joke gets repeated) can end up being questionable about disparagement or not.

        • Making fun of others communicates disrespect. The Occupant has high, wide, and loudly proclaimed his disrespect of women. And it is positively creepy that he can’t keep his hands off of Ivanka.

          In Eden an angel said, “Ridicule is the opposite of love.”
          “What do you mean by that?” the others asked.
          “Love loves what ridicule makes fun of,” the angel replied.
          — Juris Rubenis in Finding God in a Tangled World by Juris Rubenis, Paul Valliere, editor

    • I think one problem I have with Trump supporters is how they focused on some minor slip-up of Hillary Clinton’s and blew it up (eg the email server, which it turns out Pence has a problem with too). But when Trump is shown to have a big problem, it’s, well, he’s not perfect.

      This is a natural bias, and we’re all guilty of it, and we need bias to get anything done. But in Trump’s case it has been really taken to an extreme.

      As for others saying things about women, I remember Obama making a (favorable) comment about Kamala Harris’s attractiveness which wasn’t 100% appropriate, and he apologized for it. He made a Special Olympics joke, and he apologized for it.

      Now Trump supporters can argue these apologies are not heartfelt, and they have a right to. But if they do, they lose the right to demand others take Trump as face value.

      • nor did they care when the George W Bush administration ran all White House emails through the RNC’s private server and then *lost* 22 million of those emails in the middle of an Congressional investigation into W’s attempt to turn US attorneys into the personal arm of the GOP.

        Just like they didn’t care about the dozen plus Benghazi’s that happened under W’s watch

        • James Kessler, thank you. I have been bringing this up in many venues, and yet, it is ignored all the while they are claiming this has nothing to do with Hillary being female. It’s transparent sexism, plain and simple. I actually heard a USAF general who spent his final service years at the Pentagon and who has served as a Deacon all my life, perpetuate the fake news that “Hillary issued a stand -down order to the military and let those men die at Benghazi.” When I hear so -called Christians perpetuating what they know to be lies about this woman while excusing Trump/Pence evil, I am saddened and outraged. Who knows better than a general with time in at the Pentagon that the Secretary of State has absolutely no authority over the military and couldn’t issue an order to the military if she wanted to to, as she exists in a totally separate branch of the government? Well, my high school government teacher for one. Not sexism……right.

    • I’m tired of the comparisons to Clinton. Even if people concede he was a dirtbag, why does that make it right to put in someone else who is the same or worse. When you know better, do better.

      • Offer better than HRC and it might be possible to hold a conversation. When the choice is between unacceptable and several orders of magnitude more unacceptable, unacceptable at least leaves us at a better point on the other end. Not voting at all is a cop out, and voting for one of the tertiary candidates available is at best a waste.

        • Anonymous, why do you cling to the lies that Trump told about HRC? This isn’t about candidates or parties, this is about Christians who continue to bear false witness against a woman who has spent her life serving “the least of these.” Go ahead and list here the things you think made her unacceptable. I will warn you, you had better check your sources before you perpetuate any more of the garbage about her. Did she back policies I didn’t agree with at times? Yes. Did she actively harm people in an attempt to enrich herself and her cronies? No. She has been a champion of equality and her entire career. She’s a brilliant woman with a law degree from Yale. She stood by her husband when he committed adultery and repented, yet she’s been crucified for this. She would have been crucified if she had kicked him to the curb for not following scripture by some. He hurt her far more than he could ever have helped her. Staying with him probably cost her enough of the votes that she lost the election. Staying takes far more courage than kicking a cheating spouse out.

      • Especially when you remember the extreme religious outrage over Clinton’s consensual relationship with Monica Lewinsky. The unending and finely detailed investigation into even the kind of sexual experiences they shared and the outrage that a president would lie about anything, even an affair. (Now we just asssume when 45 speaks it is untrue. And that’s normal!) But now sexual assault is okay. (That’s what it is called when you “grab” or kiss without asking. It’s not locker room talk or inappropriate speach about women. It is bragging about a crime) And is it me, or does it give anyone else a humorless chuckle that the same people who are loosing their minds over transgendered women peeing in stalls next to other women are perfectly okay with a man who repeatedly walked in on undressed and half dressed teenage girls at beauty pageants and BRAGGED about it on multiple occasions. The thing about having moral standards is that “standard” means it applies to everyone in the same manner. This brand of Christianity that is merciless to “outsiders” and permissive to those who belong or are helpful to an agenda, is why people who claim “no religious affiliation” are the fastest growing “religious group” in America.

        • That’s not why, Ami. People are dropping out of religion because of the demands it makes. One must be willing to give up certain things and many people don’t seem to want to do that anymore. Hence why “anything goes” types of “churches” are popular with some.

          Talking about doing something is not actually doing it. Besides that, what Trump was talking about on that recording could be seen as a consensual situation, where these women brought themselves into his proximity in the same way Monica invited Bill with her thong snap. I’m not condoning his behavior, however, and there is a difference between saying he did something and actually having done it, and a difference between being a president in office and fooling around with an intern and being a real estate mogul or tv personality having an affair. We expect a little more of someone once they are in office. But I don’t think there will be any stained blue Dresses to be found in the Oval Office this time.

          • This is not about Clinton
            It’s about a sexual predator in the White House. Just because anyone male or female would want to be in his presence, does not mean they wanting to give sexuall access or favors. I find your prespective very flawed and yes chauvinistic and I was brought up in and educated in the Catholic schools through 12th grade.

            • I didn’t say I support it or condone it. But at this point it’s only “talk” and no proof that he actually did that. At any rate, what is he doing now as President that would lead you to believe he is preying on women?

              Bill Clinton will always be brought up to remind you that his behavior was forgiven and overlooked for the sake of his policies. Do you want to be a hypocrite?

              What is the relevance of your having gone to Catholic schools? Are you a practicing Catholic?

          • “People are dropping out of religion because of the demands it makes. One must be willing to give up certain things and many people don’t seem to want to do that anymore. ”

            Yes, people must be willing to give up a commitment to truth, goodness, kindness, compassion, unconditional love, judgmentalness in order to stay in so many of our churches. Decent people refuse to compromise following Jesus with the values of the Republican Party and so they leave.

            • We don’t mix Republican politics with Catholicism, unlike your blog host who mixes extreme leftwing politics with his watered-down version of Christianity.

                • Yes, most Catholic’s in the US do mix politics with Religion, and have a strictly GOP only, mandate.
                  And yes, I was a practicing Catholic up until and was told to choose that over my political views, and I chose God & my own conscenice to follow Jesus and have not been back since.

                  • There is no GOP mandate in Catholicism. Catholics are taught to vote according to their consciences and according to what is most just. In the present political climate, most of the time that would be Republican since there are few Democrats who would do anything to protect the unborn from the injustice of abortion. It would have been a serious sin for me to have voted for Hillary Clinton. If Democrats every start having compassion for all beginning at conception, then more Catholics will vote for Democrats. Check the Catechism. You won’t see anything there about voting Republican.

                    Nobody ever forced such a choice on you. That’s ridiculous. How would anyone even know? Why would you turn your back on receiving Christ in the Eucharist?

                    • Trump has stated many times that he is prochoice. He even tried to he Marla, wife 2, to abort her child. And yet, Catholics still voted for him. Your argument is invalid.

          • You do realize the Trump cheated on at least two wives and talked about cheating on his third shortly after marrying her. He’s an adulterer and he hasn’t repented.

    • While it is true, Art, that all are worthy of redemption, available evidence suggests that Bill Clinton has learned his lesson and has repented. Why do I say this? Because if he were still cheating, the press would be all over that.

      Whereas the current occupant of the Oval Office told us that he has not asked for forgiveness because he has not done anything to be forgiven for. Apparently, he doesn’t consider adultery a sin. Apparently, he doesn’t consider child abuse a sin when he walked into the changing room at his adolescent beauty pageant and there were naked under-aged girls in there.He also did that to the Miss Universe contestants.

      So while everyone is worthy of redemption the Occupant doesn’t think he needs it. And you know that is just plain contrary to Scripture.

      John P. is 100% right, again. I join him in holy Discontent and invite all of you to share that holy discontent with me. One way to persist in resistance is my FB group, Gloriamarie’s Progressive Stuff, where I post actions, petitions, info, actual news, evidence, facts. There’s a pinned post that I highly recommend people read. I also ask a screening question so I can keep the spammers and the trolls out. All who read this are invited.

      https://www.facebook.com/groups/gloriamariesprogressivepetitions/

          • I wonder if some of those are due to autocorrect. There have been times when I have been using my cell phone that I spelt the word I wanted correctly, but autocorrect changed it as I hit the send button. My only other option is to accept that people really are that casual with other people’s names.

            • Maybe auto correct. But, Patricia, growing up RC with a first name of Gloriamarie, you can just imagine the liberties people took with my name.

              And when you add “Amalfitano” into the mix…

              Why just a few weeks ago someone with a very juvenile mentality abused my name just the way the little bullies did in sixth grade when I won the spelling bee.

              There are a lot of people who think it is perfectly ok to call me “Gloria” when I tell them my first name is “Gloriamarie” and they persist even when corrected and are then reduced to an exasperted “You expect me to call you all of that?” And I say “Of course, it’s **my** name.”

              I am empowered now, LOL, and I don’t put up with it any longer.

              Of course, the abusers and bullies who have zero respect for a woman when she says no like to ignore my boundaries, tread all over them. I dunno if it is because they lack the maturity level of a functioning adult or what, but it’s my boundary and I enforce it.

              • And well you should. It is a beautiful name. My problem wasn’t variations on Patricia, it was stupidities made up on my last name. At first they were innocent enough, like tooth brush and paint brush, but when I was in my teens, it became dirty jokes about the under brush. When I got married, I couldn’t ditch my name fast enough. When that marriage failed, I really wrestled with taking my birth name back, but finally made peace with it. It helped that I was 48 and felt reasonably confident that I could put people in their place if they tried any further despicable shenanigans.

                • Thank you. I love my name. It’s unique.

                  I am certain the immature did do all sorts of nasty things with your last name.

                  I simply hate it when anyone mocks anyone’s name. I don’t care whose name is being mocked. I even spoke to some people who mocked the Occupant’s name, so you can see how seriously I hold this value.

    • People thought Clinton should have been impeached for what he did and now a lot of those same people voted Trump into office knowing how despicable his behavior has been and probably still is, all while calling themselves Christians. Rationalize that!

      • Donna, I agree the hypocrisy is blatantly obvious and ludicrous.

        I do wish that John P had selected other examples of which demonstrate the Occupant’s debauched character and lousy temperament because, inevitably, the conversation will devolve into who committed the worst sexual offences: Bill Clinton or Donald Trump and that is a very boring conversation.

        Bill Clinton was at least a decent President and the Occupant demonstrates incompetence.

        I think the fact that the press has not been all over Bill for infidelity indicated that he has repented and is being a faithful husband. At last.

        As all of the remarks that John P quoted are relatively recently uttered, I think it is safe to assume that the Occupant doesn’t believe his vow of fidelity applies to him.

      • Clinton WAS impeached.

        Trump can’t be impeached because of a private conversation ten years before he became President.

        • Clinton was impeached by the House but the Senate refused to confirm the impeachment. Impeach means to accuse a public official of misconduct. That’s all. It does not mean, in itself, conviction of any kind. Or removal from office.

          • Of course, Trump can be impeached for high crimes and misdemeanors such as emolument of which he is guilty. He can be impeached for tampering with the election process. When we finally see all his tax returns there will be something impeachable there.

            Not only will the House impeach him, the Senate will have to kick him out of office. Or risk not being re-elected.

    • Art, you miss the point. Bill, JFK, FDR, et al, actually had redeeming qualities. For all we know, for don, those words were the high points in his private discourse.

    • All three of those presidents had strong wives and supported women’s rights. Clinton and FDR had affairs. Not a good thing, but not the same as assaulting, degrading, and objectifying women in general. He even has publicaly objectified his own daughter. I don’t think you will find a previous president who has said what he said.

    • The problem is Trump regularly lies about easy to disprove facts, and then tries to spin it so that even Forrest Gump would be calling him out on his bs. If there are legit videos/recordings/eye witnesses to a past Presidents’ behavior that is as offensive as Trump’s then find it/vet it and publish it. Otherwise, the argument that “they just didn’t get caught/recorded” holds no water. Trump’s many egregious offenses are public knowledge, no murky what if’s. He is not a Christian in any sense that I can see, and does not deserve the evangelical support. He has no humility, gratitude or care for even the poorest among us. To me the results of the election just showed that right evangelicals who place a high value on morality on their presidential choice (if asked in any number of polls throughout the election) don’t actually care all that much. If they did, then Ted Cruz or John Kasich would have won the primaries

  3. Thank you for this post. It’s what I’ve been trying to articulate for a while.

    FWIW – I find the “new you,” (JOHN PAVLOVITZ 2.0?) inspiring. Please keep it coming. We need the powerful, uncompromising voice of a kind, decent person in this political climate.

    (Not that it matters, I’m one of your jewish followers.)

  4. I have a friend. A woman. I’ve known her since about 1999, and I love her to death. She’s been a true friend to me many times, and whenever I come back to the US for a visit (I work outside the US and will probably retire there too), she and another friend will drive six hours across the state to visit me. But a couple of months before the election last fall she posted something on Facebook that revealed she was voting for Trump. I responded, gave her the reason you mention in your post John, and others. But she was unmoved. Eventually, she said she couldn’t vote for “Hilary” because she had allied herself with “those Black Lives Matter people”. I was floored. I had never heard her say anything racist before. Since my kids and grand-kids are all biracial, bilingual and bi-cultural, I gave her my reasons for voting for HRC, and reminded her of my family’s racial and cultural background. After that there were no more replies. Eventually she and I began emailing again, studiously avoiding the subject of her vote for Trump. But I have to say, I no longer know who she is. I don’t want to reject anyone because of their vote, to which they are entitled, no matter what. I’m more offended than angry with the few people I know who voted for this creature who is now our president. And I can understand and even sympathize with those who chose to vote for Stein or anybody else instead of either of the two major candidates. But I don’t understand how someone who has known me for so long, and knows my children, could fail to see how voting for Trump is a huge betrayal of women, all racial and ethnic minorities, all LGBTQ people, betrayal of the old, the sick, the poor, and a betrayal of our nations democratic traditions. One of these days, when the insanity at the borders dies down, I’ll fly back to the US for another visit. And I imagine she and our friend will come visit me as always. But the time I spend with her, will forever be tainted by the fact that I no longer know who she is, I can no longer really trust her. I can be angry with the 62 million. But I’m deeply saddened by what her vote has done to our friendship.

    • What so sad, that she was always that way. You cannot look at her, and wonder what she always thought about your bi-racial family, was she just tolerating you ? I had some friends, who showed me who they were, but what upset me is that there were signs and I choose to ignore them, We really get to know them, they are like tea..you know the flavor when the hot water hits it.

    • Maybe your friend wonders how you could vote for a pro-abortion candidate, but that she can overlook your political differences and still be friends.

      • Exactly. I remain friends with so many pro abortion old time lovely friends. I dont disown them or have my friendship tainted-republicans are more forgiving of different views I have seen time and time again. I know not one republican who has de-friended a democrat but I know many democrats who have de- friended republicans on facebook! Just for their right to vote and decision. They are generally more intolerant and unforgiving. (And I am not a republican nor a democrat.)

        • Please do not make sweeping generalities about any group. At this point in time, Democrats are horrified about 45 and what he is doing and will do. And like John P, they hold the people who voted for him responsible, which is Republicans. So if there really are more Dems unfriending Reps on Facebook, it’s strictly tied to this political cycle.
          As with any group, there are of course good, kind people, truly Jesus-followers (as opposed to those who mouth the words but don’t do the actions) in the Republican party. But there is also an extremely vocal portion who are thrilled to have 45 as President because he allows them to be all the things they have had to hide: racist, homophobic, xenophobic, sexist, and hateful.
          Those who did not vote for him are now living in fear and uncertainty of just how bad the effects of his Presidency will be. In just 2 months, we have seen how bad it is already: “alternate” facts, Obama “bugged Trump Tower” (through microwaves, according to his spokesperson), Trumpcare–which if passed will cause 15 MILLION people to lose healthcare. That’s 22%, or about 1 in every 5 people. Think of the people you know. If you know 100 people, then 20 of them will lose their insurance.
          So yes, there will be collateral fall-out from 45’s agenda and those who are living in fear place the blame for that fear squarely on the shoulder of that 62 million voters John P has been talking about.
          (Just as a side note: I see you use the term “pro abortion”. Your choice to use it. But I will tell you that I do not use the term “pro-life” for those who insist on women carrying the child to term and delivering it. I use the term “anti-women”, because people who loudly proclaim being “pro-life” stop caring for that fetus the minute it breathes air and is no longer in its mother’s body. And this is another area where the Democratic women in this country are fearful: because the GOP has systematically and continually pushed laws that regulate a woman’s body and her part in procreation. What do old white men know about women’s issues? (Clue: the answer is “not a damned thing”.)

          • I am thrilled that Trump is president for good reasons. I don’t accept your vilification of those who voted for him. That is the problem with many on this blog and the blog host. They can’t understand or refuse to understand that others see things differently politically and can vote in good faith and for good reasons against their liberal leftwing policies.

              • Ha.

                I’m a practicing Catholic and am not a “cafeteria Catholic.”

                I am as Catholic as Paul Ryan and as Catholic as the Pope. (But I’m not saying I’m as good as either of those fine gentlemen).

              • I doubt he recognizes Pope Francis as his Pope since he clearly picks and choses which doctrine to support.

                Is Paul Ryan a Catholic? So hard to believe that such a nasty, selfish person could be RC. I thought for sure he only worshiped in the Church of Ayn Rand.

                For instance, he has turned his back on everything the RCC teaches about social justice.

                • Paul Ryan is pro-life and Catholic Social Justice includes compassion for the unborn. Catholic Social Justice precludes intentional destruction of the inconvenient child in the womb.

                  • No Paul Ryan is anything but Pro-Life, since he fails to support measures that promote substaining Life. Like feeding a hungry child, medical treatment to promote a healthy life, or educating a child to ensure a good future for that child. Or even providing for the mothers health and we’ll I being during pregnancy. Hes only Anti-abortion, Period.

                  • Perspective, if God imbues the single cell with a soul, then why do you think he allows 20-25% of all pregnancies to spontaneously abort? Why did God order the Israelite Priests to perform them in Numbers 5?
                    Numbers 31:17 (Moses) “Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every women that hath known man by lying with him.” In other words: women that might be pregnant, which clearly is abortion for the fetus.

                    Hosea 13:16 God promises to dash to pieces the infants of Samaria and the “their women with child shall be ripped up”.

                    2 Kings 15:16 God allows the pregnant women of Tappuah (aka Tiphsah) to be “ripped open”.
                    Exodus 21:22-25 punishes a man who causes another man’s wife to abort his unborn child to pay a fee (like a misdemeanor), but if he kills the man’s wife, it’s an eye for an eye and he must pay for the life he took.
                    The pope may choose to believe that that single cell is a human with a soul, but God doesn’t. In fact Jesus doesn’t say anything about abortion…seems like such an important issue he would have mentioned it….come to think of it, he doesn’t mention homosexuality or transgender either……..hmmmm.

                  • This is exactly why I consider myself an ex-Catholic, an exile of the Church of my Fathers before me. A church that treats people as “less than” for any reason is not the church for me. I wish Pope Francis well in his reforms but I believe, thanks to the ultra-conservative nature of the church hierarchy, which all but destroyed half the core reforms of Vatican II, it will be a near impossible job.

                    I also ask for forgiveness if I have hurt anyone with my words. It is not my intent and sometimes I am not aware of the tone of my postings, no matter how hard I try. Also, if this is the case, I am truly sorry and please let me know how I can make it right.

                    • Thanks. Sometimes I get zealous in the defense of my LGBT friends that I can go overboard and it is difficult to know where that line is. So many people in power want to hurt us for no reason. I hear the terms “fake men” and “fake women” around here about my trans friends as if my friends aren’t real people with real worth and deserving of dignity. It hurts me every time I hear those terms. It also hurts to know my voice means nothing to those in power and sometimes I can lash out from the pain to those that I need to help.

            • No, what we can’t understand is your hypocrisy. You profess one thing and the support someone who is an adulterer and a liar. The only thing we can assume is you agree with his misogyny, bigotry, and lies too.

            • GLORIAMARIE. You are absolutely right. Including the smug people who brag about write-in candidates or making NO selection for president. If there was ever an election to actively vote against a candidate this was it.

                • Don’t knock voting one’s conscience. There are people I know who struggled and wrestled over their vote last November. I think you are attributing sinister motives upon people in a blanket manner. People will realize they made a mistake sooner or later and then they will be you allies if you let them.

          • Kate GC. Rather than the most common terms, like Pro Life, a more accurate term is , Pro Birth, with all the concomitant behaviors, like griping about the cost of Medicaid, Chips, food stamps, etc.

            • Are you “anti-birth”?

              Sure I am “pro-birth.” That way the fetus gets to live and become a neonate. What’s so bad about that?

              And for the record, those of us who don’t want abortionists to unjustly kill babies do not want to see them executed as soon as they are born. You guys will say anything to muddy the waters and and obfuscate the fact that you support such a horror. I would like to turn your pat red-herring around and challenge you to take your alleged compassion and generosity and extend it to the unborn. Why won’t you do that?

              • I challenge you to join Gloriamarie’s Progressive Stuff and learn the TRUTH about what the GOP plan to do to the poor, the sick, women, vets. They do not care about the living, only the rich.

                Can you handle the truth?

              • When you stop voting for people who cut programs that help the children that you want to be born. When you stop vilifying the people who use these programs to raise their families. That’s when.

      • The problem with voting him in to stop abortion is he is stripping away all the programs for the weak, infirm ,children and old people who need assistance including pregnant women who cannot take care of a child. How can one justify forcing a woman’s choice but removing any option to help this child that is being so strenuously protected. That is not caring about a life. There is no consistency in the agendas of the current administration other than get more money from the people and give nothing in return. They are slumlords.

        • Karen Crouchley, I very much fear, that as correct as you are, that you have fallen into the trap this particular person poses.

          The simple truth is, he doesn’t care about any of the considerations you list. He simply doesn’t. All he can focus on is ending abortion. That is his obsession.

      • Pro-choice and pro-abortion are two different things. Hillary believes in a woman’s right to choose, and that the decision should be between her and her doctor. Please don’t tell me you’re a one-platform voter. We must look at the bigger picture, as there are so many issues that are critical to the safety and well-being of our country.

        • Gladerunning, I am sorry to tell you that he ahs demonstrated over and over that the only thing he cares about is putting an end to abortion. The planet can pass the point of no return because of planned regulations and shutting down the EPA, millions of citizens can die due to lack of health insurance, but it is obvious he simply doesn’t care about life or the living, only the fetus.

      • A Catholic Perspective every time you make that statement “pro-abortion candidate,” you are bearing false witness and using the same manipulative divisiveness that Trump does. You know perfectly well that HRC is not “pro-abortion” and that pro-choice is a far cry from pro-abortion”. You also know that NO ONE is pro-abortion. That’s ludicrous. You are once again twisting things and lying about a woman because she is a woman. Here’s a little news flash: you and other men do not get to tell women what to do with their bodies. You haven’t had that kind of control over women in decades and you aren’t getting it back. Even if abortion is made illegal, women will still take control of their own lives. They will just suffer more to do it. The fact that you willfully misinterpret scripture in the same way that men misused scripture to uphold slavery and segregation is shameful. You made read the Bible, but you clearly don’t understand what you read.

    • I feel the same, Laura. Some of my friends that I love and respected, who voted for 45, have completely altered my view of who I thought they were. I struggle with feeling less respect for them. I suppose these underlying judgments/issues, were always there, but it took someone as vile as 45 to bring them to the surface. I thought our country, our people, were better than this. I’ve never had such a visceral reaction to an election, and I’m 57 years old. God help our country, our humanity.

    • Maybe your friend sees something you’re unwilling to see like Trump never said anything against LGBTQ but said everyone should be able to feel safe and the rights already given will remain, wanting to assist and rebuild the inner city where many blacks and poor resident is not racist, wanting to control ILLEGAL immigration is not racist either. HRC used the racist word to attack and to get the Hispanic & black vote yet they failed to come out and vote. Maybe you should question why. Your friend has the right to her reason(s) to vote Trump as you do yours. The intolerance and hypocrisy you are showing your friend may be the problem since I never heard you say this friend expected you to vote their way nor did they think less of you though they too had reasons for repudiating HRC.

      • Another new identity.

        As I said earlier, I challenge you to join Gloriamarie’s Progressive Stuff on FB and learn the truth about this administration. Because it is not just him, it’s all of the GOP.

        The occupant is certainly not speaking up to protect LGBT. All sorts of things are being done to erode their rights. He wants the equal marriage law revoked and made a state matter so the red states can continue to discriminate.

      • Just Saying/Catholic Perspective (this is tiresome), you once again willfully miss the point. I will continue to call you on your manipulative rhetoric. I answer your inane posts because I hope that others here will benefit. You obviously have nothing but malice in your heart with these posts, and I have no reason to believe that you are either a Christian or open to a reasonable conversation. I would not waste my metaphoric breath on you, but I will encourage those here as they struggle to find light in this present darkness and express dismay at people like you who pose as Christians and yet do everything to harm others. Your obsession with controlling women is frightening, and your willingness to follow an evil man like trump to gain a false sense of control is pitiful. If the Bible is the true word of God, then it will not conflict with science, as those are natural laws that God ordained, yes? Science, like the Bible, also recognizes that a fetus doesn’t have the neural connections to experience pain, survive outside the womb, etc. until about 24 weeks. It is human to the same extent that the semen living in men’s bodies are human, because they have the potential, under the right conditions, to become a human being. When you start backing legislation that holds men accountable for their sperm and punishes them criminally for spilling any on the ground (or shower floor, or sheets), then you have a leg to stand on. As it is, you are just a sad misogynist trying to control women.

        • Katsy Kline, so glad you are here and doing this work. I hope he doesn’t burn you out as he has so many others.

  5. Thank you for your courage, and strength! I too like this “new” John Pavlovitz, very much…
    Although I believe it’s who you’ve always been.

  6. I feel exactly the same! I started crying with relief as I read your words. I sometimes feel like a mad woman, ready to pull my hair out and scream. It isn’t just that he got elected, it’s all the people in the US saying this is acceptable. Not in my world… Ever!!

    • They are not saying that this is acceptable, its not. Its terrible but between the two choices you had (both were bad in different ways) some chose one and others chose the other! One already had a history of huge political mistakes an sins which they tried to cover up or lie about. And the other had made different mistakes. And from here over the horizon we felt very sorry for you guys in the US. Now you just have to make the best of it until the next elections!

      • really? Got some actual evidence to back your accusations against Hillary there?

        Evidence meaning something verifiable and not from a biased source.

  7. I am new to your work, but thank you. You articulate beautifully my feelings and my struggle, with a “church” I no longer want to be associated with and a Christ I love. Your writings have grounded me when I feel like I’m being swept away and encouraged me when my hope begins to waiver. Being reminded that others feel as I do, that I am not alone, is a gift from God. Thank you for reminding me there is a “church” and there is THE Church, made by faith, residing in us.

  8. These are not normal days. The idea that we have a shared responsibly for each other is being extinguished inside the beltway. The ideas of speaking truth to power; advocating for the sick, poor, immigrants, marginalized, and those without a voice; is now considered racially leftist ideology instead of what we are called to do. We have no choice but to speak out, otherwise we might find ourselves in a country vaguely resembling Chile or Argentina during their military regimes. We must protect those that the beltway has deemed “less than”, least we see graves fill up of those deemed “unworthy”, “unproductive”, and “deviant”. For most of us it is just politics, for those less fortunate is it about decency, rights, and life itself.

  9. I heard one of the 62 million say “Well, we’re all sinners.” Maybe so, but I wouldn’t put a pedophile in charge of a children’s ministry and neither should anyone have voted for him after his genital grabbing comment.

  10. I’m having a miserable time, too. Thank you for articulating this.

    I only know a couple of Trump supporters, and it seems to me that they just never heard what I heard. To me it was loud; they found ways to deny it. But worse than Trump, who is clearly a fool, are the Republicans taking advantage of the situation to take away support from our neediest. That makes me scream.

    • Emily, I’ve been saying exactly that for weeks now! Trump’s ignorance and mental illness are bad enough but the GOP, who willingly manipulate him, and support “president bannon” in a thinly disguised attempt to destroy democracy (and make a lot of money) are the truly evil. And those who are quietly going along with their party when they know it’s wrong, are just as complicit. Jeeze, that makes me sound like a “conspiracy theorist”… oh wait, the only other option is to be quiet and I refuse to not acknowledge what we’re now seeing is wrong.

      It’s so comforting to see I’m not the only one who feels this…

  11. Thank you for your words John. I have changed also and frankly I do not recognize myself sometimes. I do not like being angry and afraid. I strike out when I should not and then feel remorse. 3 steps forward 2 steps back. Peace and a full heart were so easy before. Now I must cling to each moment I can find it.

    Peace

  12. John, I strongly empathize with your sentiments. What changed me had been coming on for years. Having worked in the church for most of my career, I found myself striving to be politically correct, to contribute to the postivie attitude of Christian kindness, tolerance, patience, etc. However, when the events of the 2016 campaign reared its ugly head as personified by Donald Trump, I could hold my tongue no longer. I could no longer be politically correct in my church-work environment. I had to speak out and stand up for what I truly believed as a disciple of Christ. Did I face opposition? You bet I did. Probably like you and others confronted in droves. I was flabberfasted by the so-called “Christian” offensive. The outcome was indeed angrier, more confrontational and irritable. So what? In the face of injustice we must confront the enemy. In the face of sexism we must defend women’s honor. In the face of bigotry and racism we must protect the oppressed. This is precisely Christ’s call to me as spoken through God’s word in the Gospel. There should be no equivocating, no uncertainty, no playing “nice” to placate those who support the demeaning Trump mentality and selfish, one-dimensional agenda. Now, right now, our faith is being tested. The integrity of our nation is at stake. The safety and inallienable rights of the LGBTQ, Muslin, African-American communities are at stake. Our planet is at stake. Our faith is at stake. We must defend. We must protect. We must be true to Christ by loving one another as ourselves. Duh. Nothing could be more clear or worth standing up for. Nothing in the world. So, I applaud you once again, John Pavlovitz, as I have many times before. We’re in this together and we must never back down. Tell me how I can help. I want to be your most effective brother in Christ.

    • What is wrong with the Christian concept of forgiveness and overlooking a sin of speech that was over ten years old?

      What is wrong with the Christian concept of wanting justice for all from conception until death and voting accordingly?

      You don’t think Christians could disagree with your left-wing politics and still be Christians or could still have voted in good faith?

      • A Catholic Perspective – no. Just No. For the millionth time, this has nothing to do with politics. No one here is upset because their candidates lost. People here are upset at the utter lack of humanity and humility espoused by you and your ilk of Trump followers. By the willingness to harm others to get your way. Ephesians 5:11 “Take no part in the unfruitful works of darkness, but instead expose them.” You are clearly uncomfortable being exposed by both the article and the posters here. You talk about the Christian concept of justice for all and yet you backed a candidate that has promised the right wing “Christian” terrorists he will sign legislation overturning marriage equality. He has signed a bill to defund the one organization that has been there for women’s health for 75 years because people like you think you have a right to tell women what they can and can’t do with their bodies and 3% of Planned Parenthood’s services provide access to that choice. Once again, you are supporting a sexually predatory, racist, xenophobic, draft dodging, tax evading, lying, deceitful, manipulative Narcissist and calling yourself a Christian in the same breath. These are not 10 year old allegations, they are present day issues that he is still in court for. He showed us who he is early on, and people like you were OK with that. No, Christians can’t vote for that and claim they voted in good faith. They voted for their self-serving agenda to impose their beliefs on others. You don’t like abortion and think that a single cell embodies a human soul? Don’t have an abortion. You don’t like marriage equality, don’t marry a man. I’m a Christian and I believe that every Jew, Muslim, Buddhist, Hindu, Homosexual, Bi-sexual, pan sexual, or transgender person has the exact same right to be treated equally and fairly under the law, with dignity and grace. This was never a Christian nation, but it has never been further from the heart of Christ than it is now.

  13. Thank you for putting into words what is in my heart and head. Sometimes I don’t recognize me, but I am not ashamed of me because I think this is bigger than me. Please keep writing, you help keep some of us sane in a world gone insane. Did not know the man before but I do like the man you have become. Stay true to yourself. Peace…..

    • What is Sad, is your Blindness to the True Meaning of Jesus, and Lost to Catholicism.
      I’m worry for Your Soul, and pray our God is as Forgiving as you are Blind.

      Know there is hope, many are praying for your’s and others like you, to put your priorities in better prospective.

  14. Thank GOD for your horribleness- John Pavlovitz. A Catholic Troll doesn’t like you- but this FAG does. Of course- that will probably be held against you- so sorry… Today is the Ides of Trump- and we can all wish he’d visit Congress and get what’s coming to him. I’ve certainly got plenty of sharp knives in my arsenal. Even a nuclear bomb or two. Because of course- I’m one of those despised and hated “progressive liberals” that AZ conservatives want to eradicate- not to mention my not/heterosexual sexual orientation that so many “christians” want to eradicate- even though I’ve spent my entire lifetime creating beauty and wonder and art. Who needs art- these days? Who needs beauty? Nobody with their head up their conservative ass. Anyway- the racist sexist misogynistic homophobic DEMONS made it into the white house- occupying our sacred democratic space- supported by a political party that is only interested in its own interests- as we can now see by their health care plan that intends to lower everybody’s costs by killing off all old people! Including me.

    This election cycle didn’t change me like it changed you- John- because I’ve spent 54 years standing up against homophobic hatred. But I’d just call that self-preservation. And in a religious heterosexist world that has always wanted me dead- I had to fight for my right just to exist- every step of the way. Of course- I thought we were finally beyond this hate-filled conservative horror show- but I was wrong. We were all wrong. Maybe it will be the last gasp. Maybe not. But today- we can bury the white house in mail. But don’t mail daggers or bombs. That will probably get you arrested…

    • Nobody was out to get you in this election.

      I voted against a pro-abortion candidate and for a pro-life candidate. It had nothing to do with trying to make your life any more miserable than it seems to be.

      It’s time to move on from a recording of a private conversation over ten years ago, which could have been released during the primary, but was maliciously released well into the general campaign. Thank God the voters Pavolovitz hates so much were not manipulated by the liberal media and Democrat dirty tricks. And Trump was duly embarrassed and apologized. We’ve forgiven others in leadership for doing much worse than that, even while they were in office.

      • What happens to the lives you want to save from abortion with no prenatal care and all services that help poor and unfortunate women who can’t take care of themselves let alone another life. Unless you plan to take in several of these babies, many drug addicted at birth, and pay for everything they need you should quit casting stones!

        • Do you really think that all those services will disappear? That’s just the usual Democrat scare tactics. Every election they say that Republicans will take Social Security away from old people too.

          At any rate, people voted for Trump for their own good reasons and not because he said something naughty over ten years ago.

          There were some interesting discussions previously about how we shouldn’t compare our worst to someone else’s best. We shouldn’t define ourselves by the worst things we did. Why can’t that principle be applied to Trump?

          Republicans and conservatives are gracious. We can be friendly with family and friends who are leftwingers. I don’t understand why that can’t be a two-way street. There is no need to wring one’s hands over friends who think outside of the liberal-leftwing box. Just don’t talk politics with them.

          • Since the GOP has said they will do away with those services, why wouldn’t we believe them?

            And before you so disingenuously demand I prove it, go read the New York Times, the Washington Post, the Chicago Tribune, the LA Times or even google it and educate yourself instead of expecting all of us to provide you with evidence, facts, and simple truths which contradict your prejudices and so you ignore them. As you have demonstrated over and over.

          • I know I am beating my head against a brick wall, but here goes. Yes, 45 said those things some time back. But when they were raised into current discussion, he didn’t particularly show any evidence of caring. When asked for an apology, he refused saying that he had nothing to apologise for. And he added that he did not apologise to his wife. We can let go “the worst things” that happened in someone’s past if they recognised the evil that they did, learned from it, stopped the behaviour, and made amends. 45 doesn’t recognise that he did anything wrong, didn’t learn from it, hasn’t promised to end the behaviour, and he has said that he never makes apologies. He is above apologies. This is all on the public record. Why should we be required to get past something that may still be his current modus operandi?

            • Don’t tell me you’re another one who can’t say “President Donald Trump” or some reasonable variation and have to resort to giving him a number?

              I do remember him being apologetic about those comments. But what kind of a sleazy operation would sit on that recording and then launch it after Trump won the nomination and at a point of no return in the campaign? Certainly it wasn’t about “concern for our country” or they would have released it during the primary.

              I’m not happy about what he said, but it is what it is. I voted for Trump based on policy. Should those comments have made Clinton’s policies suddenly acceptable and attractive to me and other Republicans and conservatives and those in the rust belt who voted for better economic conditions?

              Is Trump not treating women respectfully that work at the White House? Is he hitting on young interns? I know you don’t like his politics, but what is he actually doing now that is consistent with those recorded comments and that can give those so concerned about them a reason to say “I told you so”?

              Trump is the President. Mature adults ought to be able to accept that and ought to be able to overlook political differences and be civil, respectful, and even friendly with those who are not focused on his flaws, but who are looking at the big picture and the good he is striving to accomplish.

              • Happily, he’s not my president. We don’t have those. I choose not to increase the profits of his brand by using his name. If he had done the right thing with his business holdings, I might have made a different decision. My civility towards him is entirely based on his behaviour, which is a mature and rational response to someone who is abusive and proud of it.

                You suggest that I am not looking at the big picture because I do not see the good that he is trying to accomplish. In fact, I have been paying attention. To date, I have yet to see anything that would qualify as “good” either accomplished or attempted. I suspect that we have different ideas as to where the good lies.

  15. John,
    Thank you for sharing the words that are in my heart and on my lips. Being saved in an ultra consevertive church I struggled for years with the Fox News mentalities. I’ve always believed that Jesus was not a republican. Now I know that I am not alone. I pray someday that the eyes of these people are opened and that they learn that the “R” lever need not be the only one pulled. I look forward to your daily posts.

  16. Dear John Pavlovitz:

    How do you suppose the way for Mr. Trump’s elevation to the Presidency was prepared?

    Did you know that a US assassination team has been deployed to South Korea? Did you know that the US is deploying THAAD in South Korea? Did you know that THAAD is part of the larger Aegis system for fighting war with nuclear-armed powers? Did you know that the US is seriously upgrading surveillance capability deep into China? Did you know that US/South Korean forces annually rehearses the decapitation of North Korean leadership?

    I’ve said it before and I say it again — you are going to war, John. It may start in North Korea, China’s islets, the Baltic states, Syria or Russia. But it is going to happen.

    Donald Trump has certainly said outrageous things and done outrageous things. He is a low-class individual with no self-respect and who neither can nor will comport himself with dignity.

    But more dangerous things are moving in the world. Without meaning to raise your ire, you might want to look at them.

    Blessings!

  17. And the bottom line for me is this: It’s your blog. You can write what you like. Tone Police and other wrist-slappers can go take a hike if they don’t like it! Nobody is forcing them to read it.

  18. Let’s just shut up about sexual sins. Yeah those were the examples John gave, but there are a whole lotta of other ways the Occupant has displayed his lack of qualifications and his unfit temperament.

    Look at all the lies that go unchallenged from the WH? What kind of leadership lets someone get away with the claim that there are “alternative facts” when by that she means “lies.” What kind of leadership allows someone to make up a massacre at Bowling Green when there never was one and in so doing could only have rubbed the wounds even more raw of those who lost loved ones in real massacres. Who makes up massacres in Sweden.

    Who rants and raves on Twitter like a two-year-old holding his breath until he turns blue? He should have been barred from Twitter due to abuse of terms and service.

    Who has colluded with Russia? Who wants to dismantle the EPA, the agency to protect women from violence? Who wants to repeal the best health care plan this country has ever seen and replace it with one that is going to be much more expensive and insure a lot less people?

    I am 100% with John P. in holy discontent. One way to persist in resistance is my FB group, Gloriamarie’s Progressive Stuff, where I post actions, petitions, info, actual news, evidence, facts. There’s a pinned post that I highly recommend people read. I also ask a screening question so I can keep the spammers and the trolls out. All who read this are invited.

    https://www.facebook.com/groups/gloriamariesprogressivepetitions/

    • John, as someone who knew you, you changed far before the 2016 election. You found your niche, and yes, you are gaining a following. But what does a man profit if he gains the whole world and loses his soul? You didn’t change in 2016. You changed before that – and you use the 2016 election as you escape clause because it’s popular. It’s also sad.

  19. People who complain about the change in you might just be lazy. It is easy to be in relationship with someone who is gentle and loving. It takes a little more effort to remain in relationship with someone who is confrontational and irritable.

  20. I miss the old John Pavlovitz. (Sorry John, you HAVE changed, too much. And the more you defend your bitterness now- it becomes worse.)
    I used to love the posts on love and forgiveness and treat your neighbor as yourself, seek Jesus alone , the only one who saves and heals and restores and judges, etc etc.
    But John, ( and I doubt you read any of these comments) you are so deep into it- the bitterness. Just bec this jerk of a man gets elected ( I would/could never vote for him, but neither, ever for Hillary!) ..and who probably will be in office only four years which will be over before you know it); you angst and rile up, and stress out instead of clamoring for prayer and being a “peacemaker”. Blessed are the peacemakers, for they will see God.
    How do we know when we are being decieved? I see you and all your supporters in a “constant state of angst and disdain”.
    Lets remember and meditate on this:
    CS Lewis’ famous head demon, Screwtape, teaching his demon student, Wormwood how to behave!:

    “My Dear Wormwood,

    Be sure that the patient remains completely fixated on politics. Arguments, political gossip, and obsessing on the faults of people they have never met serves as an excellent distraction from advancing in personal virtue, character, and the things the patient can control. Make sure to keep the patient in a constant state of angst, frustration and general disdain towards the rest of the human race in order to avoid any kind of charity or inner peace from further developing. Ensure that the patient continues to believe that the problem is “out there” in the “broken system” rather than recognizing there is a problem with himself.

    Keep up the good work,

    Uncle ScrewtapeW

    • It’s true that focusing on politics we can’t control is bad, but I think the danger is in “who’s winning/who’s losing.” Saying a policy or movement is right or wrong is different entirely.

      I don’t see forgiveness as “sit in a corner and forgive.” Let’s act to prevent bad things from happening. Let’s take even 15 minutes a day to do or say better. Yes, there’s a risk of going into the swamp. But we also don’t want to stand by and say we do nothing.

      Lewis also wrote of the dangers of trying to avoid one extreme when we really needed to avoid the other. In other words, against immigrants. Or against certain Middle Eastern countries when Russia should be the main focus.

      I think a lot of people are saying, well, we’ll deal with it, Trump will be gone…when there is so much we can do locally or daily to help push back against his worst excessses. And I think much of the anti-trump rhetoric has been: this is wrong. This is not normal. The daily lies are not how I would behave.

      • But this is a Screwtape quote…. “On the other hand we do want, and want very much, to make men treat Christianity as a means; preferably, of course, as a means to their own advancement, but, failing that, as a means to anything—even to social justice. The thing to do is to get a man at first to value social justice as a thing which the Enemy demands, and then work him on to the stage at which he values Christianity because it may produce social justice. For the Enemy will not be used as a convenience. Men or nations who think they can revive the Faith in order to make a good society might just as well think they can use the stairs of Heaven as a short cut to the nearest chemist’s shop. Fortunately it is quite easy to coax humans round this little corner.”

  21. Thank you for this, John.

    People who want you to go along and get along will always level the charge of zealotry and bad manners at those who refuse to.

    This is not a time to going along and getting along. This is not a time of acquiescence. I would remind all your readers–especially those who demand we shut our mouths and smile wanly–of Ecclesiastes 3:8: To everything there is a season. For the sane in this nation–and this world–this is a time of resistance and righteous anger. Let the wan acquiesce and label us “bitter.” I genuinely feel sorry for them.

  22. Let us become whom ever we become as long as we keep up the fight. All it takes for evil to succeed is for good people to do nothing. Let us just remember the most important thing – to laugh whenever and where ever we can. As long as we laugh we will never get lost. Laughter restores our spirit.

    • James Dosher here … how bizarre that my regular ID isn’t working today.

      I must admit I have heard multiple variations of what Trump said on that bus to Mr. Bush about a thousand times in my life … and never by a rapist, or molester of any kind. It was guys being childish, gross, bragging and over-exaggerating. Not only have I heard such things, I’ve voiced them. I’ve never said I’d “grab that p***y”. I’m more of an a**-spanker … you know … when I’m totally making stuff up.

      We also took care of their invalided grandmothers and mothers-in-law and made sure their fraternity ‘Little Sister’ had constant visitors while she was in the hospital because her family was out of State. If some dipsh*t actually attempted to harm a girl in their presence, they’d lead the charge to stomp them flat.

      Grab that p***y? F**k that a**! I’d do her six ways to Sunday. (Was the lady in question married? I didn’t care ~ because it was ‘Guy Talk’).

      We had score cards and would rate girls from 1 to 10. Would rate body parts of women. Best face, lips, bust, butt, thighs, calves and even feet. We’d rate them by supposed proficiency at a given sex act ~ which we had no way of knowing about.

      We’d rate which women would be on our ‘Freebie Five’ List if we ever got married, or were married. FYI, that’s the mythical list of women we lie to each other about being able to sleep with without our spouses getting pissed and dumping our asses. It was a joke because not only would we get a deserve divorce for even attempting such an affair, we would never had a chance with those famous & beautiful women in the first place.

      And that is all part of it ~ the unattainablility of the women. It is bull-s**tting, macho posturing and exaggeration for jokes and mockery ~ mockery among ourselves of ourselves.

      Now, unless a woman had earned a place as ‘one of the guys’, we never talked about women like that around women ~ because we knew it would make them uncomfortable. It would be rude so we didn’t do it – around women. If a guy was doing it, we’d tell him to stop because he would be making the women uncomfortable.

      If you confessed, among us guys, to an actual rape, you would be lucky if all we did was call the cops on you. Some of my old friends wouldn’t wait for the Justice system to apply some justice of their own. They’d stomp you flat then we’d all hang around to explain to the officers when they arrived how you “fell down 150 flights of stairs” on the way to your confession.

      What can I say? I spent some of my formative years with some tough, older ex-military gents who were either married, or divorced, and had daughters. That is the absolutely worse kind of man to brag about an actual domestic violence, sexual assault, or rape to, believe me.

      ***

      If you are a women and you don’t like it when men talk this way ~ okay. Men understand that. There is a reason they don’t talk that way around you. That they talk that way among themselves really isn’t your concern.

      If you are a guy who doesn’t like guys who talk like that ~ it is easy enough – leave the room. Honestly, the men aren’t hurting a damn soul by engaging in this childish behavior and if you want to play Morality Police I imagine you can find a group of like-minded men somewhere else.

      Please don’t expect the rest of your gender to be so repressed and self-censoring though. There isn’t one truly good reason for us to do so. We aren’t hurting anyone. Your inability to see this isn’t our fault.

      ***

      Now, on the other hand, our future President never got a man off she knew to be a rapist with a much reduced charge by accusing the 12 year old victim of enticing her rapists … into raping her into a coma. Then laughed about how she lost all faith in the Polygraph after he passed it … because she KNEW he was guilty of raping a TWELVE YEAR OLD GIRL.

      She didn’t turn on the rapist. She chose to keep her career instead. She chose to let the rapist get out far too early. She chose to let that little girl grow up thinking she was responsible for the horrors visited upon her. Those were Hillary’s choices.

      And she is the ‘MORE MORAL’ choice for America?

      I have said it before and I’ll repeat it now. I don’t hold it against HR Clinton for getting that man off on those reduced charges because that is how the American Justice System works ~ he still deserved the best defense possible. Once she took the case, her obligation as his lawyer was to do the very best she could with what she had. The Prosecutor should have done a better job.

      The moment you compare the MORALITY of a man talking bull-crap to another guy about women to a woman actual getting a man she KNEW to be a rapist of a juvenile out of prison early, I see no comparison.

      By Pastor John’s reasoning, 65 million Americans would rather have had as President a woman who wanted child-rapists on the streets of America by blaming the victims for their own assaults ~ you know, those children who had been raped.

      Personally, I don’t reason it that way. I reason it that 62 million voters heard and read the transcripts realized Donald Trump was chatting in private with another guy and was talking a load of crap ~ Guy Talk ~ and knew it to be nothing but Guy Talk and went on to meatier issues.

      They knew it was empty rhetoric and was in no way misogynistic as Donald and Billy ‘hopped to’ like good little boys when a woman did finally make an appearance toward the end of the taped conversation. Did Donald manhandle her as ‘advertised’? Nope. Did he put his lips to hers as advertised? Nope. No on both counts because Donald was talking crap and Billy knew he was talking crap.

      • Mr. Dosher, the reason your name is not filling is because that just sometimes happen and we have to fill it in for ourselves.

        I think it is disgraceful that men would talk like that about women among other men. Shows a lack of respect for women, which is a huge problem all over the world.

        You do not get to play the “boys will be boys” card, because that attitude is harmful to women.

      • I am a man and I find your attitude about women sickening. When you consistently say objectifying and disrespectful things about women, you train yourself and others to think of women as less human than men.

        • Maybe so, but he made an excellent case that it was nothing more than talk.

          At any rate, why is it still an issue? Because it didn’t work when Hillary pulled this dirty trick and you can’t believe it didn’t work?

          Much of this discussion can be chalked up to sore loserism. You’re still in shock that Hillary is not President. It was her turn and she deserved it…

      • Mr. Dosher, others have addressed the bulk of your comment much better than I could, so I’ll pull out just one item: The way in which you present the case involving a 12-year-old rape victim isn’t accurate. It was a viral meme, so I know that can make it harder to disbelieve, but the factual material is available.

        In summary: This was a 1975 case. Hillary Clinton was appointed to represent the defendant — the accused rapist — by an order from the judge on the case. The prosecuting attorney who recommended her to the judge is on record (Newsday, 2008, and subsequent interviews) confirming that Hillary didn’t want the case, was very clear about that and tried unsuccessfully to get the judge to remove her. After that, she did her job to the best of her ability within the law: She defended her client. The case ended in a plea deal following a request by the victim’s family in order to end the trial. Finally, Hillary didn’t laugh about the outcome, claim the victim made up the story, or claim she knew the defendant was guilty.

        This may seem an odd thing for me to call out of that long comment, but seriously — I believe we have an obligation to not spread falsehoods.

        • Thank you, Julia (W) for pointing this out. This is a pernicious lie and a particularly vile one.

          I am unable to read most of what Mr. Dosher posts because they are just too long, but had I seen this, I would have said something as this lie has been refuted so many times and I would hate to think Mr. Dosher would fail to be convinced by the truth you have shared.

          One way to persist in resistance is my FB group, Gloriamarie’s Progressive Stuff, where I post actions, petitions, info, actual news, evidence, facts. There’s a pinned post that I highly recommend people read. I also ask a screening question so I can keep the spammers and the trolls out. All who read this are invited.

          https://www.facebook.com/groups/gloriamariesprogressivepetitions/

  23. Most people who voted did not know all the facts, not everyone watches tv, not everyone has a university education not everyone thinks critically. By lumping every one of the 62 million into a pile who made a wrong decision and therefore they broke America, is shortsighted. I am not a big fan of the conservative ‘us and them’ “let’s fight the enemy” theology and it doesn’t look good on liberals either.

    • “Most people who voted did not know all the facts, not everyone watches tv, not everyone has a university education not everyone thinks critically. ”

      This plays into GOP hands. It’s exactly the result they intended when they started to erode the liberal arts education nd refuse to help make college affordable, if not free.

      People who can actually think, who have learned from history, wouldn’t vote for the GOP as they cause too many economic disasters. Aside from other things the GOP want to dump.

      • Yes but the people matter don’t they? Despite who they voted for or their politics they matter a whole lot. God sees them.

        • That’s just the point. While you and I know people matter, the sad truth is that people don’t matter to the GOP. The planet doesn’t even matter to the GOP as long as the wealthy get wealthier, the planet dies, and then it won’t matter that people are important to God because the earth will no longer sustain life.

          • I don’t give a flip about the GOP! That are a small political elite. I care about the 62 million who voted for Trump out of ignorance and deception. They are going to need your help when the time comes when they realize what a stupid decision they made. Are you going to be there for them or continue to vilify them?

            • Am I going to be there for people who voted for evil when they have proven they don’t give a flying fig about people in my demographic but only for their own authoritarian, bigoted, fascist, gynophobic, homophobic, isolationist, misogynist, prejudiced, racist, sexual assaulter/molester, transgenderphobic, white supremacist, and xenophobic selves?

              Probably not because the stuff they voted for will have killed me before they need my compassion.

              Don’t you care that children, the disabled, the elderly, the handicapped, people with pre-existing conditions, and our veterans are going to be murdered by what Trump supporters voted for?

              And don’t you dare tell me they didn’t know because people have been telling them for months and they still preferred to vote for their prejudices rather than the common good.

              • I care for everyone equally as we are all precious in his sight. The poor will be first and the wealthy last but they will both be there.

                • As well you are assuming they don’t care which is a broad generalization… in addition to that you are assuming they are as educated and knowledgable as you. Some of them are poor and sick and disadvantaged and some are spiritually poor and blind and need as much compassion as the rest of us.

                  If you start dishing out punishment and mocking by deciding now you won’t be here for them, in some sort of “I told you so moment” , you are doing the same things you accuse them of doing to you.

                  I am reminded of Nineveh and the prophet Jonah. He didn’t want to warn them about God’s judgement but after he did, he sulked because they repented. Do we truly want to see them repent or do we want to see them get their just desserts? What is the purpose of redemption and reconciliation if it doesn’t include all people. Have you never hated someone and then prayed and God softened you heart towards them? Have you ever made friends with an enemy in your life? It’s a beautiful thing when it happens and worth the effort.

                  I think the “us vs them theology” is not the Gospel. However, it is a good technique for bolstering the troops and steeling your hearts for battle. It may come down to that in the near future but most decent people don’t need constant convincing. I will be ready when it happens.

                  • The Bible and Christians make forgiveness sound so easy and I find it bothers me even when I forgive someone who has done particularly heinous. I quickly forgiven and became friends with a person that was a threat to my son but was also his protector against those that wished to kill him for his brother’s imagined transgressions. He was both a threat and yet was his guardian angel during his mother’s drug abuse. It still bothers me that I had so quickly forgiven a person that people would call a “monster” and identity thief, but my son needs his protection when I cannot physically be there for him and I do wish this “monster” well in his life and I gladly gave him a room in my own house when he was homeless and bought food for him when he was laid off at his job. I consider our friendship as “complicated” but very real and strong. I even gladly worked with him during a gig and we both enjoyed it. I feel he is an awesome guy, but really mental ill. I really can’t hold that against him. I am a little disturbed by how fast I forgave him, but I felt compelled to do it because I saw the good in him, being the only other human being that would sacrifice his life for my son, and for that I am very grateful.

                    • {{{{{{{{{{Robin}}}}}}}}}}

                      I am sure there is much more to tell about this situation. You are a brave and courageous person.

                      I think forgiveness ought to be easy. What makes it harder for us is because we think when we forgive someone we are doing it for their benefit and, quite often, we may not wish to do anything to benefit that person.

                      One day I was thinking on the words in the Lord’s Prayer “forgive us our trespasses as we forgive those who trespass against us” and it occurred to me that unless I am a forgiving person, I will not be forgiven.

                      So the biggest beneficiary of our forgiveness is the person who forgives.

          • Hi, Gloriamarie—Just want you to know that I mentioned you in my blog post today. It’s titled, “How to get blocked, banned and banished from social media—for all the right (and fun) reasons.” I did so, without mentioning your name, of course. You’re completely anonymous. I’m telling you this not to tweak you, but in the hope I can communicate SOMETHING of value to you because you seem to only hear what you wanna hear on this blog and don’t seem truly open to genuine discussion.
            Also, I’ve only used two names here—Uber Doofus and Bud Maunch, so you can remove them from your big ban list.

            Thanks for the inspiration,
            ~Uber Doofus
            uberdoofus.com

            • Uber, checked out your website. Funny stuff. Of course, as I was born and raised in California I have to say I do not know people who would react that way to a stranger. I wouldn’t. And, if you made me laugh, I would probably overtstep and want to hug you. Since I am an old grandma maybe it is an age thing.

              I have never seen those remedies mentioned either.

              But I did just read about a Texan congressman that said “Jail time for abortions would make women more personally responsible for sex.” Funny stuff.
              Do they not know about the birds and bees, or tab A into slot B out Texas way?

              Just teasing – California style.

              Oh, here in the valley – many Indian restaurants.

              • Hi, Joanne
                Thanks for reading and for being balanced and funny.

                They’re a bit blunt in Texas—comes with the commonsense mentality. I wouldn’t advocate for jail time like the silly congressman, of course, but adoption is a wonderful thing. There are loads of people who long to have a child, but can’t.

                I live in the sticks in the Sierra Nevada, and we’re down to one Mexican restaurant and no Indian joints at all, as you know from my blog. I envy you and your Indian options.

                Thanks for rubbing it in :-).

                • Uber, yes adoption is a wonderful choice. I know this because my brother is adopted.

                  As for your Congressman – blunt for sure but as for common sense?????? Of course he could put the baby daddy in jail also so it would make men more responsible for sex, you know, to be fair.

                  The Lake Tahoe area is my happy place. I envy you for the trees and the scent of evergreen you are surrounded by.

                  I do enjoy your words so I will visit again. Thank you for your humor.

  24. John, your words really hit home with me…… “Some people tell me that I’ve changed; that I’ve become more confrontational and irritable, that I am less tolerant of disagreement now. They say that I seem angrier, that I’m more political.”
    I am right there with you. I’m almost 62 and I’ve never felt this way before after an election – even if my candidate lost in the past. I was always like “oh well, let’s see how they do”.
    This election was way different and I felt the same as you. I was depressed for weeks. I am tired of people on social media saying “get over it” or “quit whining”. I’ve never been a “poor loser” – ever!
    I’m concerned about our country, kids, grandkids and what lies ahead for all of us.
    I grew up with the thought that we need to respect our president no matter if “he” was our choice or not. But, I’m really struggling with this one even though I know I should respect him. There’s so much that concerns me about him and I just can’t seem to get past it all.
    Keep up the good writings. It consoles me to know there are so many other Americans out there that feel just like me. It’s sad our country is more divided than ever over this.
    I know I have to move past this and not let the election results consume me. I need to pray for our country and hopefully others will keep our new president in line.
    Life is too short and I’m hoping to retire this year. It’s time for me to move on to the next chapter of my life and try to be happier ….again.

  25. You mean “Christianist” people. There is nothing Christian about them. They profess to be followers of Jesus Christ, but understand NOTHING about what he preached. NOTHING.

  26. By the way, I watched part of Trump’s rally today. As much as I could stomach—so embarrassing. I agree with a lot of you—he’s a piece of work, but he’s our president.

    • No Joe. He is not OUR. He is your President. I do not have a President that I can call my own, and I have zero allegiance to Donald J. Trump. If he issues some order that needs my cooperation—then he is sh*t out of luck as far as getting me to participate.

  27. I can remember when my opinion of Hillary changed. My heart fell when she said

    “If I were to be grossly generalistic, I would say you can take Trump supporters and put them in two big baskets, There are what I call the deplorables — the racists, you know, the haters, and the people who are drawn because they think somehow he’s going to restore an America that no longer exists. So just eliminate them from your thinking, because we’ve always had an annoying prejudicial element within our politics.”

    Clinton then said some of these people were “irredeemable” and “not America.”

    I think she lost her shine after that. We are all human, short sighted and biased, both on the conservative side and the liberal side. No one is irredeemable. Although I intensely dislike Trump… it’s not as if I haven’t disliked other people in my life… but I think everyone has a chance and has a time when they are called by God and sometimes that chance comes from someone unexpected or that chance is squandered. But I don’t know what or when these things happens in someones life. Though, I won’t change my opinion of Trump neither will I mock or condemn him. It also occurs to me that many people felt the same way about Obama although I don’t know why exactly.

    • …with the constant theme of taking sides I think a distinction can be made between fighting for a cause and fighting people. It’s a difficult tension to maintain especially when things get personal. All those people who Hillary Clinton described as deplorable, in a generalized comment, took what she said personal and it didn’t help… rather it disenfranchised them in a way and then they mobilized against her. I think when we struggle against people, we don’t leave room to dialogue, we don’t give people a chance and we resist each other but in the end there are winners and losers. Is that really what it’s all about?

  28. I too am changed. My daughter (23) and I had dinner with one of my best Christian friends and her daughter (22). We all talked about the change in our lives as the election unfolded. We all specifically talked how this election had forced Christians to really think about who they are and what they believe. It is a time to search the scriptures, pray, fast and ponder our own hearts and Gods call on our lives. We talked about how does forgiveness happen when a beloved Christian friend turns out to believe that freedom of religion only applies to Christians and Jews but not Muslims, or thinks the country is safer because a Mexican woman was deported who cleans toilets and came her when she is 14 or thinks racism ended 100 years ago or your relative who loves trump
    because they think they will get more military benefits or that being a sexual predator is just locker room talk. Our hearts are broken.
    But in the end it is Gods faithfulness that will prevail and we will work our hardest to be faithful to our Lord and Savour. We will pray for enemies, we will love our enemy , we will forgive but we will also do justice always, care for the refugee among us, care for the poor, speak out against any insult against the human spirit- these cannot exist in isolation. You cannot pick out which part of the Bible to cherish.

  29. Aah yes…and changed we must be. Admitting to our lack of action and advocacy in a country that gives us the freedom to act & vote. And, Christian, Jesus Christ-like we must be, in a country where Christianity has been distorted and abused, becoming a weapon of bigotry, bias and shame. What would Jesus actually have us do?? Unconditional Love is the answer.

  30. John needs to get off of his rocker! There’s not a grown man anywhere in the world that has not heard locker room like what Trump said. Even women have heard such talk as many of them talk just like that. A 22 year old woman told me just last week: “I BROKE UP WITH MY BOYFRIEND TWO DAYS AGO, AND I FEEL BAD CAUSE I JUST FINISHED F——ING ANOTHER GUY AN HOUR AGO!” she went on to say, “BESIDES, HE COULD NOT F—CK ANYWAY!”

    The people that pretended to be shocked by Trump’s word, watch hardcore porn, movies like 50 shades of grey…wherein a young woman is abused, misused, and treated like a sex slave.

    We watched Slick Willie become a serial adulterer, his wife become a lesbian, and he still has that reputation, yet we embrace him. I am not even paying attention to people on this post, especially John!

    • Hillary Clinton isn’t a lesbian. You have no proof of that. What Bill did was wrong but that in no way justifies what Trump did. BTW Bill isn’t president.

      Also, just because people say or do these horrendous things doesn’t make any of them right. If you are appalled by them then why did you vote for Trump?

      • Robert, when I see such deep gynophobia and homophobia as Wayne suffers with, I am forced to think it is because of one of two reasons:

        1) He is a man experiencing the same fears women have had to face for millennia: the fear of rape, despite zero statistical evidence that any gay man has raped a straight man whereas there is lots of evidence that straight men have raped women.

        or

        2) He is terrified he himself is gay, is way deep in the closet, and bullies people to prove how macho he is.

    • Wayne I have three brothers who each say they were appalled by Trump’s remarks. They also said it was off the scales as far as any locker room talk they encountered. I think this kind of talk is more of a rare occurrence than an everyday one.

      • Plus, there were several major sports teams that went on the record as saying that that kind of talk would not be allowed in their locker rooms and they didn’t appreciate being denigrated by Mr Trump’s “apology”.

  31. Though you say you are changed by the 62 Million who voted for Trump, you also say that you are a Christian. Mr. Trump said some terrible things, yes, but he also openly and publicly apologized to his family and the American people. If you are who you say you are, then you will know that Jesus taught about forgiveness. It is not on the people who voted for Trump to feel ashamed. It is on those people who can’t accept that he is President and on those who can’t believe that someone who uttered words of that nature has been elected to the highest office in our land to be the forgivers. Mr. Trump has already repented and asked for forgiveness. It is you, Mr. Pavolich, who won’t give it. And that doesn’t hurt anyone but you and those who feel as you do. The rest of us are trying to get on with life, support our President and continue to do the good work we have always done.

    • Very good points, Marlene. The problem is that they have vilified Trump and don’t want to let go of their hatred of him. He and his supporters are their scapegoats.

    • Marlene, you are quite mistaken.

      What the Occupant has said is that he doesn’t have to sk for forgiveness since he has never done anything to be forgiven.

      That is such a blatant lie, as he has a lot of things he needs forgiveness for, but, apparently, all of his lies feed your world view.

    • Marlene you are right he did publicly apologize for the his lewd comments (from 2005) in a taped broadcast on Oct.7th, 2016. However, I think he thought he had to because it hurt his campaign. There are so many more things Trump said that he should apologize for which were reckless and damaging such as (but not limited to): slandering Mexican immigrants, denigrating former POW
      Sen. John McCain, mocking a disabled reporter, accusing President Obama of sympathizing with terrorists, attacking Gold Star parents Ghazala and Khizr Khan, declaring President Obama “the founder of ISIS.”, calling the media a great danger to the country. But, he won’t apologize for those things because they are not politically expedient.

      The thing is his outrageous claims about people do not make him a strong man or a courageous man, instead, it reveals a lack of respect for people’s reputation and their dignity. It means he can say anything and get away with it, and that Marlene, makes me nervous of him and what he is capable of.

    • Marlene you are right he did publicly apologize for the lewd comments from 2005 in a taped broadcast on Oct.7th, 2016. However, I think he thought he had to because it hurt his campaign.

      There are so many more reckless and damaging things Trump said which he should apologize for such as (but not limited to): slandering Mexican immigrants, denigrating former POW Sen. John McCain, mocking a disabled reporter, accusing President Obama of sympathizing with terrorists, attacking Gold Star parents Ghazala and Khizr Khan, declaring President Obama “the founder of ISIS.”, calling the media a great danger to the country.

      But, he won’t apologize for those things because they are not politically expedient.

      The thing is his outrageous claims about people do not make him a strong man or a courageous man, instead, it reveals a lack of respect for people’s reputation and their dignity. It means he can say anything and get away with it, and that Marlene, makes me nervous of him and what he is capable of.

    • And when you and your family die in the resulting civil war- then maybe you actually can get back to doing the ‘good’ work you have always done. Get on with this life? Under a DESPOT? No chance in hell of that happening. And some of will never forgive your ignorance for voting for the orange clown.

    • Are people not listening? Trump has told lie after lie after lie. It’s one thing to forgive someone. It’s totally different when that person doesn’t mend their ways.
      He is what he portrayed himself to be doing the election. He’s a bully. He’s a liar.
      Sorry but no one should be forgiven for continued bad behavior.

  32. I agree with Marlene. Forgiveness is something you do for yourself. Do you really want to go through life with all this hate eating at your soul. This hatred of 62 million people? You might as well hate Muslims, or Black people or the Irish. It’s the same. You hate a class of people you don’t really know based on what you perceive them to be. Your post here is the essence of bigotry.

  33. Robin, there was no replay option. You wrote:
    “Thanks. Sometimes I get zealous in the defense of my LGBT friends that I can go overboard and it is difficult to know where that line is. So many people in power want to hurt us for no reason. I hear the terms “fake men” and “fake women” around here about my trans friends as if my friends aren’t real people with real worth and deserving of dignity. It hurts me every time I hear those terms. It also hurts to know my voice means nothing to those in power and sometimes I can lash out from the pain to those that I need to help.”

    I am there with you. I believe this with all my heart: people are exactly as God intended to create them. When trans people are born in the wrong bodies, it is a result of sin in the world and I rejoice that for so many we have the medical knowledge, skills, and technology to put right what nature got wrong.

  34. If you voted GOP, or third party, or didn’t vote, here is some evil to which you have contributed:

    Older Adults Among Those Hardest Hit by the American Health Care Act

    Earlier this week, the Congressional Budget Office (CBO) released its highly anticipated analysis of the American Health Care Act (AHCA) and what its passage would mean for American families. The CBO estimate confirms our worst fears—24 million people would lose health coverage over the next decade.

    The report affirms that older adults will be among those hardest hit by the proposal. If the AHCA becomes law, the number of uninsured would increase most significantly among low-income Americans ages 50 to 64. CBO finds that individual market premiums would spike for this very same group as a result of an “age tax” that would allow insurers to charge five times more for older enrollees than for younger ones.

    Additionally, CBO estimates that the AHCA will increase Medicare spending by $43 billion over ten years. A separate analysis on the AHCA by the Joint Committee on Taxation also finds that the repeal of a modest payroll tax on the wealthiest Americans amounts to a $117.3 billion windfall, effectively weakening Medicare.

    CBO also finds that the AHCA cuts Medicaid by $880 billion over ten years. Ten million people with Medicare rely on Medicaid to cover vital long-term home care and nursing home services, to help afford their Medicare costs, and more. The Medicaid funding caps in the AHCA (known as per-capita caps) threaten access to these vital Medicaid supports for people with Medicare.

    The CBO score confirms it: the AHCA forces older adults, people with disabilities, and their families to pay more for less, all while undermining the Medicare guarantee. If Congressional leaders truly want to provide health coverage to American families, they must go back to the drawing board.

    https://blog.medicarerights.org/older-adults-among-those-hardest-hit-by-the-american-health-care-act/?utm_source=MedicareWatch&utm_medium=Email&utm_campaign=Newsletters

  35. If you voted GOP, or third party, or didn’t vote, here is some evil to which you have contributed:

    President Trump’s ‘Hard Power’ Budget
    Allocating more money for defense and a lot less for diplomacy, the White House is unveiling a spending proposal that’s meant to reflect campaign promises more than it’s meant to get through Congress.

    If Americans were taken aback by the restrained, highly scripted President Trump that addressed Congress last month, they should recognize a lot more of the blustery, law-and-order candidate they elected in the budget blueprint the White House released on Thursday.

    “If he said it on the campaign, it’s in the budget,” the president’s budget director, Mick Mulvaney, told reporters in a Wednesday briefing previewing the proposal’s release.

    That means more money—some $54 billion in extra defense spending—for the military generals Trump loves to quote so much, and a lot less for the diplomatic niceties and programs combatting climate change that he so often dismissed. The State Department sees a 28 percent cut in the administration’s budget request, with a chunk of it coming from foreign aid. “It is not a soft-power budget,” Mulvaney explained. “This is a hard-power budget, and that was done intentionally. The president very clearly wants to send a message to our allies and to our potential adversaries that this is a strong-power administration.”

    https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2017/03/president-trumps-hard-power-budget/519702/?utm_source=nl-politics-daily-031617

  36. If you voted GOP, or third party, or didn’t vote, here is some evil to which you have contributed:

    The 19 Independent Agencies Trump Wants to Eliminate
    The president’s budget suggests entirely defunding these bodies, from the Appalachian Regional Commission to the National Endowment for the Arts.

    https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2017/03/here-are-the-independent-agencies-trump-wants-to-stop-funding/519786/?utm_source=nl-politics-daily-031617

  37. If you voted GOP, or third party, or didn’t vote, here is some evil to which you have contributed:

    Besides which are you really so ignorant that you re unaware of the law that prohibits federal funds from being used for abortion?

    Defunding Planned Parenthood Hurts the Poor and Rural, Say Congressional Analysts
    Mar 15, 2017, 5:10pm Christine Grimaldi
    Kaiser Family Foundation polling found that 75 percent of voters opposed the GOP provision defunding Planned Parenthood. Only 22 percent were in favor.

    A damning Congressional Budget Office (CBO) analysis removed any doubt that Republicans were aiming to take down Planned Parenthood through their American Health Care Act (AHCA). A closer look at the CBO’s findings reveal that “defunding” the health-care organization would disproportionately hurt people with low incomes, especially those in rural areas.

    The CBO confirmed that Republicans in the U.S. House of Representatives wrote the provision to deny Planned Parenthood, and only Planned Parenthood, of some $390 million in Medicaid reimbursements for one year, all because they want to punish the organization for providing abortion care that isn’t covered by federal funds, as Rewire reported. The CBO’s unequivocal determination could boost arguments that the provision violates the U.S. Senate’s Byrd rule, potentially forcing Republicans to choose between dropping their vendetta against Planned Parenthood or tanking their plan to unravel Obamacare.

    Cutting off Planned Parenthood from Medicaid reimbursements really means cutting off Medicaid recipients from Planned Parenthood. Potentially life-saving cancer screenings and STI testing would be out of reach. So would contraceptive care, as the CBO, the independent, nonpartisan number crunchers serving Capitol Hill, confirmed in analyzing the Planned Parenthood provision.

    “To the extent that there would be reductions in access to care under the legislation, they would affect services that help women avert pregnancies,” the CBO said.

    https://rewire.news/article/2017/03/15/defunding-planned-parenthood-hurts-poor-rural-say-analysts/

  38. If you voted GOP, or third party, or didn’t vote, here is some evil to which you have contributed:

    The White House has just released a budget proposal that would put America’s birds on the chopping block. This proposal would mean crippling reductions to our nation’s most important conservation initiatives, many of which support Audubon’s efforts to protect birds and the places they need.

  39. If you voted GOP, or third party, or didn’t vote, here is some evil to which you have contributed:

    President Trump released his proposed budget this morning, and he’s pushing for massive cuts to critical programs that affect kids and families. The president’s message to low-income families and kids is clear: You’re on your own.

    Contact your member of Congress right now and tell them to reject this proposed budget.

    Let me say this again: these cuts are catastrophic. President Trump wants to:

    Eliminate funding for afterschool and summer programs for low-income students — programs that are often the only place they can get a meal.
    Wipe out the Social Innovation Fund, a program that funds No Kid Hungry’s work to feed children in six states.
    Reduce funding for WIC, the program that provides food for pregnant moms, newborns and young children.
    Even worse, this budget comes on the heels of legislation that would repeal the Affordable Care Act, leaving up to 24 million people without healthcare, many of them low-income Americans with children. It’s time for Congress to stand up for kids and families. Urge your members of Congress to reject this proposed budget today.

    https://secure.nokidhungry.org/site/Advocacy;jsessionid=00000000.app270b?cmd=display&page=UserAction&id=350&s_src=Email&s_subsrc=1703EA0000Q0&utm_medium=Email&utm_campaign=2017_Advocacy&utm_source=1703EA0000Q0&NONCE_TOKEN=FCBC8390253A71A6E70B4F0011B9A9C3

  40. John, thank you once again for speaking the truth. And it’s MY truth, and I think I’m as heartsick as you are that so many people have been duped into supporting this sick, awful human being. Still don’t quite understand how that happened, although clearly it was a perfect storm of circumstances and Faux News and Breitbart and latent racism and a reaction to that that contributed to it. So, so tragic for our once-great democracy.

  41. There are 65 million other reasons your voice is necessary, important, and appreciated now more than ever. Thank you for being a beacon…

  42. This makes me incredibly sad. I remember, after the election, my dad said, “I wish you would stop talking about politics all the time and go back to talking about Kate Middleton.” And his girlfriend said, “I didn’t even know you were into politics (with a chuckle).” My mother said, “Why do you have to go to the women’s march? I don’t understand what you believe that needs to be marched for. That’s how men have always been, and they aren’t going to change.” I never imagine my parents would say things like that to me. I never had to be politically active before because everything just happened to be as close to what I would have wanted, or what I wanted was already being fought for (not that things were anywhere near perfect then). I can’t go back to my frivolous daydreaming of what it would be like to be Kate Middleton. I used to wish that I could wear pretty dresses and go to state dinners. Now, I wish more than anything I could go back to being that person who just wanted to be a princess.

  43. How did this article and the related comments come to be about Catholicism. I do not recall Trump saying he’s Catholic. I don’t see where the author says he’s Catholic. Shouldn’t the comments here be about the article? Like the author, I am broken that my brothers and sisters looked past such immorality to put this person in such a position of leadership and honor.

    • LaLa, Amen! If people would stop feeding his ego and cease to respond to him, then maybe he wouldn’t constantly pervert this forum to his personal agenda.

      OTOH, the kind of things he has been saying have inspired twenty-nine people in the last two days to join Gloriamarie’s Progressive Stuff and I am looking for a thirtieth person by the end of today.

      One way to persist in resistance is my FB group, Gloriamarie’s Progressive Stuff, where I post actions, petitions, info, actual news, evidence, facts. There’s a pinned post that I highly recommend people read. I also ask a screening question so I can keep the spammers and the trolls out. All who read this are invited.

      https://www.facebook.com/groups/gloriamariesprogressivepetitions/

  44. LaLa. There are many here who feel the same as you. It makes me wonder how much lower the bar can go before people will stop excusing his behavior.

    • Joanne Musto, the only people excusing his behavior are the people who agree with him. The rest of us want him to go away permanently.

      Maybe if more people when to John P’s author site on FB and expressed their experiences, maybe John P would block him.

      • Sorry Gloriamarie, I should have been more explicit. I was agreeing with her about Trump. I cannot find one thing to like about him as a person.

          • My fault for not being clear. I can honestly I say I try to find something good in everyone and I have never failed this badly. Maybe it is on me.

            • Dear Joanne,

              Your efforts are to be commended and you soldier on in answer to your vocation. But maybe it is not on you. Jesus tells us there are those who prefer evil. If they have preferred it enough, maybe there is no longer any good to be found? I don’t know the answer to my question but since Jesus raises the issue of the unforgivable sin, it seems there must be some humans who embraced apostasy. Only God knows who they are.

              So, please, be comforted, don’t blame yourself. It may not be your fault that you are unable in this case to find good in someone.

            • Don’t worry Joanne my brother agrees with you about Trump, but I think his optimism is admirable. He has charisma and puts on a good show. That reminds me… I enjoyed his show the Apprentice. I think one day he will regret running for President and will look back on his days as a circus barker, and long for the simplicity of that life but for now we are stuck with an ill equipped man who I fear will make a very big mess of things.

  45. Remember when candidate Trump said he was going to donate his salary? Well he just accepted his second paycheck.
    Remember when he said Mexico was going to pay for the wall? He has asked Congress to appropriate the $25 billion of taxpayer money to cover costs.
    Remember when he said he was going to divest from his businesses? Changed his mind.
    Remember when he said he was going to release his tax returns? Changed his mind.
    Remember when he said he wasn’t going to go on vacation or play golf? 5 of the last 7 weekends he went on vacation and played golf, costing taxpayers $11.1 million.
    Remember when he said he was going to use American steel to build these dangerous pipelines? Russian steel arrived last week for the Keystone Pipeline XL.
    Remember when he said would defeat ISIS in 30 days? He still doesn’t even have a plan.
    Remember when he said he was going to appropriate money to HBCUs? He lied to get a photo-op.
    Remember when he said he was going to drain the swamp of Washington insiders? His cabinet is filled with lobbyists, oil and Wall Street executives.
    Remember when he said he wasn’t going to cut social security and Medicare? The Republican bill does just this.
    Remember when he said that nobody on his campaign has any communications with Russian govt? 7 of his people have now admitted they spoke and/or met with Russian officials, after they lied and got caught.
    Remember when he said that the Obamacare replacement would cover more people at lower cost? The AHCA that the GOP and 45 are now pushing; they now admit will cover fewer people at a higher cost.
    Share so everyone can remember what a liar the 45th truly is.
    Another moment of perspective: Immediately after the election Trump transition spokesman Jason Miller explained that Melania would be staying in New York because there was “obviously a sensitivity to pulling out a 10-year-old in the middle of the school year”.
    We have since learned that the cost of security for Melania and Barron to remain at Trump Tower is $183 million/year. There is also no indication that they will actually move to DC this summer. So in essence the Federal government is giving the Trump family a $183 million annual voucher so Barron can attend the elite private prep school of his choice.
    Meanwhile, we learned last night that Trump’s budget would completely eliminate funding for the National Endowment for the Arts. The NEA, with an annual budget of only $148 million, is able to provide seed money for arts programming in literally every Congressional district in the country.
    So, on the one hand you have a $183 million school voucher for a single 10-year-old at an elite private school. On the other hand you have a program that impacts arts and cultural programming throughout the entire nation.

    If you agree, please copy and paste to your timeline.

    Note: I am not the author. I copied this from a friend’s post and pasted it here.

  46. What team Hillary thought, …and bet it all on, was that the electorate cares much about personal evils. So they doubled down and found out that the electorate just doesn’t care, no more than they did when Bill Clinton had a dalliance in the oval office but kept a 70% approval rating.

    The fear and disgust of the boogieman does NOT tip the election. The promise to get away from the status quo and save people’s jobs from going overseas. That’s what would win in 2016. So the electorate chose the womanizing, multiple bankruptcy creep, because he was against NAFTA and against TPP, and promised to tear down the current system. That same electorate did not want someone promising more of the same status quo.

    We can learn from this, or spend 2020 thinking that it’s a news flash that Trump is a creep. We can shout for 4 years that Trump is a rude awful man, and he will win. Again.

    It’s about policy and the populist promise to reject the DC machinery. We can support a lefty person who does this, or get more Trump

  47. To the Author: I can see you are upset. I don’t know anyone who has said they are ok with what Donald Trump has said in that tape from (how many?) years ago. You have a right to your opinion, and to t you have. I would caution you though. I don’t know anyone who voted for Trump, who has