Phobic Christian, While You’ve Been Busy Bothering LGBTQ People…

Angrywoman

Christian,

I see how angry you are, how consumed you are, how relentless you are, how myopic you’ve grown, how bitter you’ve become—and it saddens me.

It grieves me deeply to see you doing what you’re doing; what you’ve been doing.

I’m not sure how you ended up thinking that this was somehow your most noble calling or what good you believe you’re accomplishing or exactly what your end game is, but I hope you hear me because I am telling you in respect and with compassion and in love:

You’re wasting daylight here.
You’re squandering precious breath.
You’re fighting a battle that you can’t win and weren’t asked to win anyway.

Changing someone’s sexual orientation or altering their gender identity are simply not your business.
They’re out of your jurisdiction.
They’re way above your pay grade.
They’re far beyond your control.

And yet Christian, because there is so much that is within your control, here is some unsolicited, but hopefully useful advice for you with whatever precious, fleeting moments you have left on this planet:

Stop spending so much time and energy trying to make gay people “not gay” or transgender people “not transgender”—it isn’t going to happen.

Instead, try spending that time and energy, making:
hungry people not hungry,
hurting people not hurt,
lonely people not feel alone,
victimized people not feel victimized,
invisible people feel seen.
bullied people feel protected.
grieving people feel comforted.

Those things you actually can accomplish and Jesus did explicitly call you to them.
He states that this is his business and so it should be yours.
Love is the language he commands you to speak.

This is how he said he would determine your love for him; not by the signs you hold,
the insults you hurl, the coldness you deliver, the relationships you sever, the protests you mount, the havoc you wreak. 

Just look around you.
Possibility for goodness is everywhere.
It’s right in front of you.
You’ve been given this time and space and your heartbeat all as priceless gifts.
Don’t miss the chance to use them and don’t waste them.

There are hopeless situations that you can step into, blessings you can provide, people you can care for, paths you can beautifully alter, healing you can accomplish, prayers you can answer, wounds you can mend, kindnesses you can extend—right now.

The question is, do you really want any of that or are you married to this ultimately fruitless cause that is doing nothing real but damage?

The clock is ticking.
The sun is fading.
Time is wasting.
People are waiting.

Christian, do something worthy.

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554 thoughts on “Phobic Christian, While You’ve Been Busy Bothering LGBTQ People…

  1. Grace progressively changes people. While, if a person saved by grace acts very spitefuly, then it says more of the problem of sin in that person than a problem with their viewpoint. And if a fruit of the Spirit is missing, could that person actually be a Christian? My thinking is that the author doesn’t care or have the interest to investigate what that means.

    What this article does is try to skirt around and stand on a moral framework without reference to what that moral framework is founded on. Additionally, it doesn’t represent basic Christianity (sin, redemption, forgiveness, restoration, grace, the cross, the salvific mission of Jesus, etc…).

    So, while it can be a good idea to listen to your critics, it is hard to hear this article. I mean, if the article was saying Christians’ message gets lost through the vitriol, then that would be something to listen to. But the article isn’t about the Christian message. It is about how Christians tell others what is wrong or right. It goes on to say that Christians should stop telling others how they should live their lives (while telling Christians to stop telling others how to live their lives). Mind boggling. [edit: The article does mention “the insults you hurl, the coldness you deliver, the relationships you sever, the protests you mount, the havoc you wreak, etc” but, without definition of what those are, what words/actions characterize what the author is referencing? I mean, the Chinese government arrests members of Falun Gong for “terrorism” when they protest by sitting still. So, words are cheap without substance. The author does go on to write that Christians effort to change someone’s mind about homosexuality is fruitless and implies that it is utter meaningless. The article then goes on to define what is meaningful in life – and in that definition misses some key differentiators in the Christian message than other messages that are out there.]

    Additionally, while the author seems to call Christians to the carpet for how to do good in a hurting world, it forgets that that is a self reflective moral condemnation. Christians aren’t the only ones who have a responsibility to feed the sick, heal the poor, etc.. The author is responsible for it as well. But, I get it, this is a “if the show fits article.” But, by closer inspection, it is not that kind of article at all. It is denouncing those who would message that homosexuality is objectively wrong. And in so doing, with the addition of the call to social action, implies that Christians are spending more time, if not all their precious time, not feeding the sick, helping the poor, etc… Unfortunately, the author makes a standard logical fallacy by taking this route and sets up a straw man argument without providing evidence for how Christians who believe x,y,z live their lives and use their money.

    But this brings it full circle. The author is telling Christians about their theology without really hitting the theology on the head. My thinking is that the author isn’t really trying to help Christians get their theology right. It seems to me that the author it trying to get Christians to go away so that people don’t have to listen to them.

    Personally, I relish constructive criticism wherever it comes from. However, regardless of what I think on this topic, I would rather talk with my Hindu friends about what I am getting wrong than the author of this article who doesn’t have the interest to get what anyone is getting wrong. It just seem like the author just wants certain people to shut up. And that is disheartening to read.

    • Maybe the author wants the majority of actual Christians to speak up and decry the evil certain people do in their religion’s name.

      Just as everyone expects all Muslims to keep speaking out against what extremists do in the name of Islam.

      • Not likely. See my comments about the author not caring…. If what you are saying is true, then I think he would focus on the Christian message getting lost in the vitriol. Instead, the author is trying to change Christians’ view points on the subject by telling them 1)it is wrong to tell others how to live their lives (while he tells others how to live their lives), 2) that it is pointless and fruitless to try to change the points of view of others (while trying to change the point of view of others), 3) tell Christians more about thier theology (while he misses the key points of Christian theology).

  2. As a Christian its so disheartening to see Right wing Christians who are such crybabies and who always act like they are picked on and their God is weak and can’t stand discussion. Everything in here is straight from the Gospels. Gay bashing isn’t. Jesus never mentioned gays and it was a BIG issue during those days in the Roman Empire

    • I would agree on the Christians acting like cry babies. However, the author did not characterize the Bible very well. Sure, there are different interpretations of the Bible, but the author seems to desire to write a compelling piece over a substantial piece.

      And Jesus never mentioning gays even though it was a big issue in his day does say a lot about his message. But, Jesus dealt with sin differently than one would expect. Look at the prostitute he came to and rescued from being stoned to death. His words to her were both comforting and sharp, “Go, and sin no more.” Jesus was never in the name it and blame it game. He was in the search and rescue game. And the consumate rescue act was his death and resurrection. The perfect God-man didn’t willingly die for good people, or so that normal people can continue their lives, or just as a fluke because bad guys didn’t like him. He died because sin caused the only one who did no wrong, who would never do wrong, to have to pay the ultimate price so that we could reap the benefits of that price – and not “escape from hell as a place per se, although that reality is very true, but the very hell we treasure over being in the presence of God.

      • “but the author seems to desire to write a compelling piece over a substantial piece.”

        Nice projection.

        “But, Jesus dealt with sin differently than one would expect.”

        Homosexuality is not a sin, and sin is not the issue of this essay. The essay is about people who choose to persecute other people, when they are supposed to be helping the poor, the sick, the ‘least of these among you’.

  3. Now this is interesting. So, if I’m a Christian and I believe homosexual behavior is wrong, then I’m branded as a “homophobic,” equivalent to a phobia which is a psychological neurosis, I’m an irrational myopic, and I’m also wasting oxygen and needlessly taking up precious space by my mere existence. Is it really not possible to have rational discussions anymore?

    • ” if I’m a Christian and I believe homosexual behavior is wrong, then I’m branded as a “homophobic,”
      Not necessarily. But if you believe homosexual behavior is wrong, and you as a result treat homosexual people in any way differently than how you treat others, then there’s a problem.
      Let me offer you the same hypothetical situation I just posted for someone else:
      Your brother gets married to another man. They adopt a daughter. The measure of whether or not you are homophobic will be in how you treat your brother and brother-in-law. Are they welcome in your home? Can they share a meal with you without you feeling the need to quote scripture or lecture them or telling them they are going to hell? Do you accept your brother-in-law as your brother-in-law, as part of your family? Do you accept their daughter as your niece? Do you teach your children that their uncle’s husband is also their uncle, and their daughter is your children’s cousin? Or do you teach your children that the marriage isn’t “real,” that it’s a sin, that they have no business raising a daughter, etc.?
      Do you see what I am getting at? You may believe whatever you wish. But the moment you treat others as different or “less-than” because of it, and teach or encourage others to do the same, that’s when you’ve crossed the line into homophobia. Why? If your brother married a Muslim girl, and you believed it was wrong and a sin for him to do so, would you refuse to acknowledge her as your sister-in-law? Would you refuse to recognize their marriage? Hopefully, you wouldn’t ostracize her, or them, and could accept her as part of your family, simply agreeing to disagree, and not discuss, the matter of her faith in a negative way, and not to let it affect how you treat their future children. (If you can’t, then there are deeper problems here.) But the situation with a brother who marries a man is no different than a brother who marries someone of a different faith. YOUR beliefs say it is wrong. But clearly, your brother’s beliefs do not. If you expect him to respect you at all, you need to show him the same respect, and respect that his beliefs are different from yours. It’s a rational thing to do. When people can’t do that, that’s when their behavior is considered irrational… and that’s why it’s labeled as a disorder.

    • “So, if I’m a Christian and I believe homosexual behavior is wrong, then I’m branded as a “homophobic,”
      Yes, and that is accurate, if you believe that homosexual behavior is wrong, you are a homophobe, you are homophobic.

      Homophobia (http://www.dictionary.com/browse/homophobia?s=t)
      noun
      1. unreasoning fear of or antipathy toward homosexuals and homosexuality.

      “equivalent to a phobia which is a psychological neurosis,”

      Well, you are making a common mistake, one that millions of homophobes make to excuse themselves. You are fixated on the ‘phobia’ and a limited definition of it, and ignoring the antipathy element of homophobia – anti-homosexual bias.

      “I’m an irrational myopic, and I’m also wasting oxygen and needlessly taking up precious space by my mere existence. Is it really not possible to have rational discussions anymore?”

      Nice exaggeration for the sake of playing the martyr. The problem is, it is your post that is not rational.

      Ironically, people who believe that ” homosexual behavior is wrong” correlate almost entirely with those who kill, maim, beat, rape, torture, brutalize, oppression and discriminate against homosexuals for being not heterosexual.

      Come down from your cross, you ain’t at all Christ-like, and Habitat for Humanity can do something useful with the wood.

  4. Jesus never sought to be “politically correct.” He did not say what people wanted to hear, but what was true. He did not adapt to people; he expected people to adapt to God’s truth as he spoke it. He said that his words, which were given to him by his Father (John 12:49), spoke a universal truth that would outlast the physical universe. “Heaven and earth will pass away, but my words will never pass away” (Matthew 24:35). He said that his words would be the test by which men would ultimately be judged (John 12:48). I think we need to take all of his words very seriously. (All Scripture quotations are from the New International Version, unless otherwise indicated.)

    • That’s all well and good, but bear in mind that even Jesus made a distinction between people who followed the letter of the Law (otherwise known as the Philistines) and those who followed the Spirit. If you want to take His words seriously, remember that He spoke a lot about divorce and how wrong it ws — and yet never said anything about LGBT folk.

      There’s a “hmmmmmm” for ya.

      • I think you’ve applied a logical falllacy. It isn’t as though Jesus made a distinction between those who followed the letter of the law and those who followed the spirit of the law. You are partially right, but have equated a partial sense of what Jesus said and did with what he fully said and did. Remember the Pharisees who he reprimanded for not knowing the law? It wasn’t as though they didn’t know the words of the law, or even the intent of the law (if that is what you mean by “spirit”), Jesus implied – and even said – that they didn’t care for the law itself.

        Jesus was even more stringent about following the law than the Pharisees were, and even took it up a notch. But, Jesus never looked at the law as providing righteouesness. He referred to the faith of Abraham that came before the law. Jesus’ message rode on the prophets’ message that the law brought knowledge and condemnation of sin. And Jesus reiterated that God hates sin. But, Jesus, in his mission to seek and save the lost, didn’t come to add to the condemnation already present, but to point to and become the propotiation or covering for that sin.

        So, in effect, Jesus’ condemnation of he Pharisees was hat they thought they could earn their own place with God through “being” righteous. Jesus message stood in direct contrast to that seeing as he was the only means of righteousness (as seen from every book in the OT).

        • So if indeed He is the only means of righteousness and the Pharisees were found lacking for presuming they *were* righteous… where does that put today’s “Christian” who stands there and says loudly to all who will listen how much he/she *knows* God’s will and that certain people will never be allowed into Heaven… even though they had the apparent misfortune to be born that way? Isnt that a bit presumptive in a Pharisitical way?

    • Nice, but not relevant to the subject at hand, at least, not in the way you appear to be using ‘politically correct’.

      For most of the last 1700 years, the politically correct stance on homosexuality was hatred and contempt, malice and violence. For many people today, about half of Americans, that is still the politically correct stance. For the current government, the political party in charge, that is the only stance allowed.

      No, Jesus was not, and would not be politically correct today. His own words condemn those who teach ‘homosexuality is sin’ as false teachers, because they bear evil fruit.

  5. You bring up talking points that I am excited to talk about – hence my engagement on this comments section.

    The Bible describes every person with the misfortune of being born “that way”. Homosexuality is not “the” problem. Shoot, my hetrosexualitu is not the answer, nor is it any claim to righteousness.

    And Christianity isn’t about going to heaven. Heaven is basically being with God forever. Christianity is about being with God now and forever.

    As for Christians telling others that they know God’s will – well, anyone can know God’s will as God has revealed it. And he ultimately revealed it to his prophets and apostles, what we call the Bible. Can we know for certain who doesn’t want to know God? I think this is a much longer conversation than this comments section. However, in short, yes and no.

    As far as the Pharisaical way to be, they were more about attaining righteousness on their own according to their religious means – not through the promises of God fulfilled in Jesus’ life, death, and resurrection. Jesus called them white washed tombs because they tried so hard to look good on the outside, but were just as dead in sin on the inside as the sinners they tried to separate themselves from. Jesus also called then snakes and vipers and detested the burden of their religion (forced good actions), they put on others.

    If Christians yell at gay people to become ungay in order to be saved, then that sounds very Pharisaical. Also, if Christians don’t talk about sin and how we try to attain righteousness by trying to be good people, then that is also Pharisaical.

  6. My issue is with Christaphobic people. It’s sad they have to judge all Christian people by one person and spew your hatred across the board to anyone that goes to church or has a bible in their hand. God’s word is judge lest they be judged. All have sin and come short of the glory of God.

    • In short: Quit being the mirror image of the people you are talking about.

      Problem is that the random sampling of those who are actually speaking out confirms that Christers outnumber Christians.

      BTW. Read the rest of the verse. It does NOT say ‘Do not judge’ but rather it enjoins us to be very careful HOW we judge. In other words it implies the same thing as ‘remove the beam from your own eye…’.

    • “It’s sad they have to judge all Christian people by one person ”

      Nice lie there, that ‘by one person’. There are millions of people who claim to be Christian, who have produced evil – people who are racist, homophobic, misogynist, antisemitic, etc.

      You are ducking the actual point here – which is a clearly delineated set of people who claim to be Christians, and who verbally or physically abuse GLBTQ people.

  7. There is no such thing as a Homophobic Christian. If one is Homophobic, one is not Christian. Amen.

  8. You have no rights to condemn anyone in this life. Zero. You are not God. You are called to love, mercy, and Grace and if you can’t do it – then it’s you that needs to repent. Not gay people.
    I am so sick and tired of Fundamental christianity – with all it’s major internal issues – trying to run roughshod over people who have nothing nor want anything to do with you.
    Your Churches are emptying out. Your religions are dying. They’re dying. Not because people,. “don’t want to hear the truth.” but because “…by ye fruits, ye shall know them.”
    This once saved always saved mindset has been a free ticket to be the worst kind of human beings this world has ever seen. You talk so much crap when it comes to Catholicism – about them having a Pope – when all along American Christian’s have many popes. These men who raise these huge churches and run their organizations like Feudal Lords. In an American democracy we have the power of Theological Oligarchs deciding who enters the kingdom of heaven and who gets left behind because of the King James Bible and 16th century prejudices.
    Here’s a hint: You are not as saved as you think you are. Paul said, “Seek out YOUR salvation with fear and trembling.”

    • “However you do need truth and love.”

      And the truth, and the love, is that the belief ‘homosexuality is sin’ is entirely evil. It produces evil fruit, it cannot come from God. It is not loving to allow some heterosexuals to feed their pride by demonizing GLBTQ people. They must be told that they are sinning.

      There is no love in any expression of ‘homosexuality is sin’, and nearly always there is great and inexcusable evil. The rest of the time, there is deprave indifference, which is only slightly better than evil.

  9. Wow. Wow.
    This has been an issue for me as a Christian, how to react, how to love, how to understand my place as a Christian world citizen and my role in this world.
    I can’t tell people how to live, feel or judge them on who they are. I do know this, if people really seek Jesus, they will discover His will for their life. Gay or Straight, I won’t tell you how to live but I will always say seek Jesus. Don’t seek the will of a church or a pastor, but seek the will of Jesus. They can make a choice then if they do or don’t want to seek Him. I wish everyone would, but I would never try and make someone. It has to be a choice.
    I also believe God made marriage for a man and a woman, BUT I think if you are of adult age you should be able to marry the person you commit your life to. No matter what their gender. Allow people to commit their life to the one they love. Marriage is a good thing. I may be old fashioned, but I think sex is for a committed relationship, committed in marriage. I think gay people should have that choice, just like straight people. Why put another hurdle for people to try and stumble over when they want to be committed for life. That is the right thing to do. I give the other side of it to Jesus.
    I also think churches should have the right to say no to marrying couples who don’t agree with their theology. Churches are sacred to those who worship in them and we should respect that. I would never get married in a mosque, they don’t agree with my theology.
    This is a such a complex issue, especially when we have so many horrible people from both sides of the fence. Christians who struggle with the sin of anger and Gay people who have been hurt by Christians who don’t know how to compassionate, peacemakers or know how to give their issue to God and just love their neighbour. Jesus had the authority to judge and say sin no more. Allow Him to continue to do that and clothe ourselves with compassion and love.

    • “I also believe God made marriage for a man and a woman, ”

      So you believe that God is unjust, capricious, cruel and evil.

      “This is a such a complex issue, especially when we have so many horrible people from both sides of the fence. ”

      False equivalencies like that indicate a lack of morals. It is simple, actually. Ant-gay theology produces violence against GLBTQ people, homosexuality, and the belief that homosexuality is NOT sin, does not produce violence against heterosexuals.

      Further, marriage is not strictly a religious ceremony, it is a civil legal contract, and a universal human right. One you disallow for a tenth of humanity.

      Your bias against homosexuals inflicts real harm in the world. Paul tells us in Romans 2 – the chapter people frequently ignore, that God will repay us for what we have done. Here, you’ve argued that millions of people are, according to your god, not allowed to marry. That’s pretty foul.

  10. In actuality, rightwing-conservative Christians HATE Jesus Christ in nearly every aspect—-Except for the part where rightwingers get help from Jesus to go to heaven.

    Their moral relativism is enormous, and is crystal clear to everyone EXCEPT conservative RW Christians, who remain willfully and blissfully blind.

    What a pitiful, pathetic bunch.

    • Great description. Sadly, too true for many of them. It sure would be nice for them to see their hypocrisy.

  11. Maybe with the help of Vice President Pence, we can convert hateful “Christians” into loving Christians.

    • Nice sarcasm. Pence is a known dominionist, associated with groups that seek to make homosexuality punishable by death.

  12. As a gay man myself, I’m offended that you called out Christians, but left out Islam. Yes, (some) Christians can be awful, but when was the last time you can recall Christians throwing gay men off of buildings? Or burning them alive? Or stoning them to death? And no, I don’t want to hear your tired response about the Crusades. I’m talking about horrific events that are happening in real time as you are reading these words. RIGHT NOW, a gay man is being killed somewhere in the world, and he is most likely being killed by a Muslim. So save me the politically correct bullshit. You writing an article about how terrible Christians are without once mentioning Islam is like me complaining that the ocean is too salty, meanwhile, a shark is biting off my leg.

    • ” Christians can be awful, but when was the last time you can recall Christians throwing gay men off of buildings? Or burning them alive?”

      Well, in the U.S., the overwhelming majority of people who kill or beat GLBTQ people, identify as Christian. Your specific forms of murder are fallacious. But on June 24th, it will be the 44th anniversary of the fire in the Upstage Lounge, which until last year, was the most deadly act of terrorism against GLBTQ people in the U.S. GLBTQ people burned to death, and many of them members of the New Orleans MCC, a GLBTQ church.

      Over the course of the GLBTQ rights movement in the U.S., GLBTQ churches and those that are are welcoming and supportive have been frequent targets for extreme violence. The MCC in San Francisco was fire bombed. The MCC in the Russian River area was attacked, as were many others.

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metropolitan_Community_Church_of_New_Orleans
      “MCC New Orleans met at St. George’s for the first six months of its existence.[1] They then met at the Up Stairs Lounge before moving to Larson’s apartment in 1973 until June 24, 1973,[4] when the UpStairs Lounge arson attack took the lives of Larson and other members of the congregation.[1] It was one of two dozen attacks on MCC churches over the years, but it was the deadliest eventually taking thirty-two lives including both the pastor and associate pastor, the casualties included one third of the local MCC chapter.[1][5][6] The New Orleans church was one of 36 MCC’s in the country, MCC was emerging and remains one of the largest membership LGBT organizations in the world.[6] According to Out For Good authors Dudley Clendinen and Adam Nagourney, it was “the first gay tragedy of the modern gay rights movement,” and possibly “the last major national news event in the gay community to go almost completely unreported by the national media.”

      “The gay community had several violent fire attacks in the same period, The Advocate noted that since the 1969 Stonewall Riots there had been several terrorist attacks in 1973 against the gay community with two San Francisco bars “going up in flames,” a Boston bar being bombed, and the worst being the gay club fire in New Orleans.[13] In the same year fires also targeted MCC churches, two in January and April destroyed the “mother church” of the MCC in Los Angeles, and in July the San Francisco MCC was destroyed by arson.[13] MCC church founder Troy Perry flew in to oversee a memorial service for the victims of the New Orleans fire.[14]”

      So your post is really a pathetic attempt to use GLBTQ people as an excuse for your hatred of Muslims.

      “RIGHT NOW, a gay man is being killed somewhere in the world, and he is most likely being killed by a Muslim. ”

      No. There are more Christians than Muslims, and just as not all Christians are homophobes, neither are all Muslims.

      Keep in mind, in the U.S., we have an administration that is deeply homophobic, a vice president who has been warring on GLBTQ people his entire career, and a party that has, as a published goal, the criminalization of homosexuality, with the death penalty.

      Your attempt to make this about Muslims is simply prejudice on your part coupled with exploitation of GLBTQ people.

      • By the way, tanner,

        There are homophobic Jews, and homophobic Buddhists and Hindus. There are homophobic atheists and agnostics, who abuse science or philosophy to justify their prejudice against GLBTQ people. You failed to mention them, so what does that say about you?

  13. The bible says that the world will know we are Christians by our love. Spewing hate is never a Christian trait. You can believe someones sexual preference is wrong, but to judge and hate is wrong too. The bible also condemns adultery, drunkenness, idolatry, theft, etc. However, we tend to pick out homosexuality as the ultimate sin. Why? I think its because its an easy target and for the rest of us sinful Christians, to call out someone elses sin is easier than looking at our own sin. If we put someone else in their place, we feel better about ourselves. That’s just my opinion. Jesus came to seek and save the lost, which is ALL of us.

    • Also, thank you for posting this. Maybe it’s the media, maybe it’s the way things are turning? But, Christians seem to be doing a lot more talking (and hatefully talking) than acting and I appreciate you putting that into perspective with this article.

    • ” The bible also condemns adultery, drunkenness, idolatry, theft, etc.”

      Equating homosexuality with these things demonstrates your hate. So all those people you are lecturing here – you are one of them.

      Homosexuality not a sin, and even your mild looking post is actually evil, since you equate our innate capacity for love and intimacy with addiction and acts of violence and destruction. Homosexuality is not like addiction, it is not like adultery, it is not like idolatry, it is not like theft, or murder, or any other wrong you might be tempted to compare it to.

      Moral people know that. It is evil to equate homosexuality with those things, it is hateful and derogatory, abusive and cruel. Further, equating our capacity for love with hate is beyond obscene.

      The Bible does not condemn homosexuality, or homosexual sex for homosexuals. It does however, condemn all the ways people like you denigrate GLBTQ people:

      16 There are six things the Lord hates,
      seven that are detestable to him:
      17 haughty eyes,
      a lying tongue,
      hands that shed innocent blood,
      18 a heart that devises wicked schemes,
      feet that are quick to rush into evil,
      19 a false witness who pours out lies
      and a person who stirs up conflict in the community. Proverbs 6

      I’d say you’ve committed several of these detestable things in your post.

      • You’ve said that my post is filled with evil , hate and that I have committed several ‘detestable things’ in my post. How so, exactly? By saying that the bible condemns certain things, is not equating homosexuality to those other things. Unless you just mean that they are all sin, then in that case, yes. It is simply saying that there are several things that are considered sin in the eyes of the lord and we have no right to judge when we are all sinners. However, I have a feeling you knew that already and just want to argue.

        Where you are wrong, is the bible DOES condemn homosexuality. For the sake of time, here are three verses in the new testament that say this:

        Romans 1:26-27 – Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural sexual relations for unnatural ones. In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed shameful acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their error.

        1 Corinthians 6: 8-11 – Instead, you yourselves cheat and do wrong, and you do this to your brothers and sisters. Or do you not know that wrongdoers will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor men who have sex with men (The words men who have sex with men translate two Greek words that refer to the passive and active participants in homosexual acts.) nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God. And that is what some of you were. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God.

        1 Timothy 1:8-10 – We know that the law is good if one uses it properly. We also know that the law is made not for the righteous but for lawbreakers and rebels, the ungodly and sinful, the unholy and irreligious, for those who kill their fathers or mothers, for murderers, for the sexually immoral, for those practicing homosexuality, for slave traders and liars and perjurers—and for whatever else is contrary to the sound doctrine.

        If you are not a believer, then it doesn’t matter what the bible says.

        I’m not going to engage in a back in forth argument. I think my original intentions were clear, and you chose to twist the meaning of my original post to try and put me down (I hope I am wrong and you just misunderstood). That is unfortunate because it blocks any honest conversations that could be had on both sides.

  14. Sad thing is how Christians use God and Jesus to enforce their hate, judgement, and bigotry of others. Perhaps they should look in the mirror; do they really believe their hearts are pure?

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