10 Things This Christian Doesn’t Believe About The Bible

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Whenever Christians talk about their faith with other Christians or with non-Christians the Bible is there, either as an overt discussion topic or as part of the background noise in the room. Many followers of Jesus assume that everyone believes everything about the Bible that they believe about the Bible, which makes for some very messy miscommunication and far too many disastrous conversations.

More and more Christians are gradually coming to new conclusions about the Scriptures, or they are finally putting words to things that they believed for years but felt they couldn’t express in the past in their faith communities.

If you’re a Christian, these words may not speak for you entirely (or at all) but they are things that at this stage in my own spiritual journey, I do not believe about the Bible—and I’m guessing I’m not alone.

1) I don’t believe the Bible was dictated by God. The sixty-six books comprising the Bible were composed by flawed, imperfect, emotional, very human beings who never claim to have been fully possessed by God or robbed of their faculties as they wrote. This means that however virtuous or well-meaning or inspired they might have been, they can’t help but have brought some of themselves into the writing.

2) I don’t believe the Bible explains the time and manner of earth’s creation and population accurately. The Creation accounts in Genesis are not scientific writings designed to instruct, as much as they are poetry and song meant to inspire. They should not be read as a literal explanation of the fashion or timetable of what Science clearly tells us were the far older and more gradual evolutions of life than a literal Biblical translation contends. Genesis 1 and 2 are a who story, not a how story.

3) I don’t believe the Bible accurately represents women for the times we in which we live. The Old and New Testaments were written predominantly, if not exclusively by men during a time when women were essentially marital property, with their status and moral worth often linked to marriage and to childbearing. These stories by the very nature of the context of their creation, carry cultural biases that need to be considered and challenged today, especially regarding the role of women in ministry leadership and gender roles in general, where the Bible has too often been an impediment to progress.

4) I don’t believe the Bible has much of consequence to say about gender identity and sexual orientation. I don’t advocate consulting the Scriptures for an accurate understanding of matters of sexuality for the same reason I wouldn’t want a medical text from the same time period guiding a surgeon taking a scalpel to me. What we now know is simply far more than we knew then about how the body works, and to ignore that would be foolish. The advances and discoveries over time that increase our understanding of our brains and bodies (which God enables) need to be respected and acknowledged by people of faith. It’s enough to believe that all people made in God’s image.

5) I don’t believe the Bible provides a unified, consistent message regarding marriage, war, violence, or sex. The Bible’s many authors have a great deal to say on these and other matters, but there can hardly be a single harmonious Biblical ethic found regarding any of them, no matter how much we would like this. For example, sometimes in Scripture violence is strictly prohibited, sometimes it is tolerated, and other times explicitly commanded and aided by God. So cleanly summarizing the Scriptures on this and many topics is all but impossible.

6) I don’t believe the Bible is without error. The very nature of its verbal origins, its decidedly human authors, the wide time expanse of its writing, as wells as its long and convoluted collation process, all mean that while The Bible can contain great truth, it cannot be as pure and pristine as it would need to be to be called perfect or without inconsistencies or inner conflicts.

7) I don’t believe the Bible is the only source through which we hear or experience God. Rather than a Sola Scriptura perspective, which makes the Bible the ultimate, singular resource for encountering and understanding God, I believe as the ancestors of the faith believed: that all areas of life speak the language of the Divine; nature, prayer, community, reason, and the Holy Spirit’s direct voice to each of us. The Bible is one of the many facets of God’s likeness.

8) I don’t believe the Bible should guide our government. Because it is as vast and complicated and cloudy as it is, it is irresponsible to try and superimpose the Bible on our civil system, as our government (like all governments) does not represent or serve people of a single faith tradition. The Bible is properly used as a guide to nurture a Christian’s individual spiritual journey and life within their chosen faith community. It should not be a mandated measuring stick for any nation’s people.

9) I don’t believe the Bible can be objectively interpreted or evaluated. Not only did the Bible’s numerous authors bring some of themselves to its passages, we too bring ourselves to them as we read, study, and interpret them. All of our biases and desires and histories and personalities shape the lens by which we view them, and they shape those who write and preach and teach us as well. Any objective truth they contain is therefore all but impossible to claim sole ownership of and practically speaking, beyond grasping.

10) I don’t believe the Bible is worthy of worship. The Scriptures are a tool for approaching God and for trying to put into words ideas that are far beyond words. They are a way of orienting ourselves in the world, of helping us to grow spiritually and to engage our faith. They are not Divinity, and cannot and should not be made into an idol to be blindly worshiped, especially when that worship reinforces or justifies discrimination, bigotry, or injustice based on race, gender, religion, sexual orientation, birthplace, or income level.

Having said all of this, none of these statements erase the deep love, affection, and respect I have for the Bible. I have found its words to be inspiring and challenging and encouraging in my spiritual journey. They have been an integral part of my faith life; a source of guidance, a cherished prayer partner, a place to find myself in the greater story of God and humanity. I have encountered God in reading and studying the Bible, but I have also realized its limitations and the way that it has been a source of pain and damage for so many when those limitations are ignored.

To many the Bible is an all-or-nothing proposition (you either view it as completely true or completely worthless) but I believe that it, like the things of God is far more complex and nuanced than that. Though many Christians will make efforts to argue me put of these points, they are simply conclusions I have come to at this place and time, after decades of study and reflection. They are not statements of fact I desire anyone else to agree with, they are my personal convictions—which is the point of the piece itself. My exploration has yielded these opinions regardless of the difficulties they cause. It would often be much easier to see the Bible simply as “God’s clear answer book” with every topic neatly dealt with, but this is reality for me and for many like me.

I realize too, that to many Christians these beliefs may be irreconcilable with their idea of what a true Christian is, but as someone who understands Jesus to be the face and image of God, and whose life I seek to grow as close as I can to emulating, I can only tell you that it is the truth of my journey in these days.

BONUS: 11) I don’t believe the Bible should be used to defend the Bible.
 Many readers will note that I do not quote Scripture in this piece, which is intentional and largely the point. So often Christians respond to questions or challenges regarding the Bible by quoting the Bible, which is often received by the listener as someone saying, “I’m completely trustworthy and honest—just ask me!” I believe the statements made above can be respectfully, thoughtfully, and intelligently engaged without needing to begin throwing isolated verses at one another like stones, or at least I hope they can.

659 thoughts on “10 Things This Christian Doesn’t Believe About The Bible

  1. your wrote: ” The Bible is not a buffet, you cannot pick and choose which verse are appealing.” But…but…a mature Christians knows that hat is exactly what is happening–unless you stone your non-virgin daughter, refuse to eat pork and lobster, leave parts of your hair unshaven, and so on. Do you make Saturday–the Sabbath–holy? Just think about it. People bring their prejudices to the bible…and tend to choose the comfortable ones, not the distasteful, hard or–in the cases I mentioned–the out-of-date- ones. Do you bring two doves after the circumcision of your boy chldren? My own choice is to find the uncomfortable ones and choose those to follow–like really love your enemies, really, not make promises (Matthew 5), and really pray in a private place–and do the will of the Father and not work miracles and so on Choose the hard part. Andyou will see what this whole article is about. You select. I select. It is not a buffet–but one guided by the spirit–not destorying the law, but fulfilling it–but IT IS THERE.

  2. In other words, Jon, you’ve made yourself God and get to decide what you like or don’t like and what you believe about Christianity. You’re a heretic. If you want to create your own religion then please do so, but quit perverting Christianity and causing people to fall away.

    • May I remind you that EVERYONE decides what they like or don’t like about their religion–whatever religion? You do not stone your daughter for adultery, and probably eat lobster–both of which are part of God’s word–things to do. You (and others) have not liked these aspects and so you ignore them. As others ignore Jesus’s injunctions against wealth (“Woe to you rich,” He says in Luke 6, 24–and a New Testament “woe” is equal to an Old Testament “abomination.” There is a core–about loving God and neighbor–which many other peope–not you, I am sure–and I mean that–do not ignore or deny. But all of us select. I prefer, and I often say on Facebook–to find the uncomfortable parts–about forgiveness, humility, and repentance to emphasize for myself. I find them hard–and they just seem wrong at times–to forgiven a child pornographer (and old friend) I know who is in prison in Lexington KY? To be humble when I hear mistakes and deliberate misunderstandings of “justice” from preachers? (Justice in the bible is for you and God to fix things–and NEVER-EVER revenge or punishment–do some homework and find out how hard real Justice is ) and so on. Find the uncomfortable parts and do not tear others down; do not judge; do not compare yourself and think you are right and others wrong–only God knows. Respectfully

  3. So basically this guy is an atheist. Or he’s a wolf in sheeps clothing. Ideas like this turn people away from Gods love. Repent for your sins because this is textbook blasphemy.

  4. Your first point is not accurate, Peter mentioned that all the Scriptures were given to the prophets by the Holy Spirit. They were carried along by the Spirit of God. God used flawless people to write the perfect story of redemption of all time.

  5. It is not about you or me or the bible entirely, Christ is the issue and book of life is simplified and fulfilled by his sacrifice. He said plainly the one that loves me will keep my commandments. In other words love is a doing word not a saying word not a reading or a critiquing word. Marcus Aurelius said once stop talking about what it means to be a good man/woman and be a good man. Walk with God?

    • WHO is Christ finally “Spiritually” but “The WORD” .. “the WAY the Truth and the Life”?

      I believe if people presume literal things rather than looking BEYOND every word AS allegory? Then the truth will be missed in the presumption….in the “eating”/partaking of of our OWN understandings (presumptions) of “the letter”/the literal

      The Father is the Author and His SON is His WORD…HIS True meanings! He GAVE His Word to man from the beginning even knowing we would spiritually “kill” it …misusing HIS prophets, presuming wrongly of HIS Laws …eating THAT “fruit” of OUR (trees) OWN understanding AS righteousness rather than waiting ONLY on His SPIRIT

      Which is why there are so many “gospels” in the world none of which agree with the ONE TRUE GOSPEL …which I sincerely believe is not found in it’s purity in ANY corporate group/church/sect/denomination of MAN

      [2Co 11:4 KJV] 4 For if he that cometh preacheth another Jesus, whom we (the SCRIPTURES) have not preached, or [if] ye receive another spirit, which ye have not received, or another gospel, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with …

      [Pro 3:5 KJV] 5 Trust in the LORD with all thine heart; and lean NOT unto thine own understanding.

      [Rom 3:4 KJV] 4 God forbid: yea, let God be true, but every man a liar; as it is written, That thou mightest be justified in thy sayings, and mightest overcome when thou art judged.

      [2Co 6:17 KJV] 17 Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean [thing]; and I will receive you,

  6. So many arguments about a book that is forbidden to buy or possess in all almost countries in the middle east, in China, North Korea, Myanmar and many other and people who are caught with a bible often pay with their lives or labour camps.
    In case anyone has doubts about doubting the bible should look up whatever archaeological findings have to say about names and places and events that have been found in archaeology and the bible.
    And then there is a book by an Indian guy, Vishal Mangalwadi, with the title “The book that made your world” to understand that without that massive influence that the bible had on the western world we would still be stuck in the dark ages.

  7. I stumbled on this page because, I have been questioning my Christianity. I was born and raised Christian. The older I got the more I questioned it and had doubt. I know there is a higher power God . However the bible seems to come from man. I have been doing a little research. I read that the bible steams from ancient Egypt history. Also that the bible was for control and to help slave owner enforced law and fear. Right now I’m just jadad about Christianity as a whole. If I told my family about this they would be so upset and lost for words.

    • I believe the absolute WORST decision a human being can make with regard to God and the Bible is to CHOOSE to presume one has the natural ability to rightly understand based on what one finds the Bible to LITERALLY be saying.

      I truly believe based on decades of listening to men, torturing my own self via my conscience, and just reading and reading and reading the Bible TRYING to…that is with a HEART to gain wisdom HONESTLY rather than to do what we so apparently are so prone to do…which is what? TO “lean” on our “OWN understanding”…the very thing the Bible warns us NOT to do. The simplicity of it is to INSTEAD seek God “the Way the Truth and the Life” with all thy might and all thy soul ….”In Spirit and in Truth (honesty) …the Bible warns “LET God be true and EVERY man a liar”….It says in Psalms 53:2-3 “….God looked down from heaven upon the children of men, to see if there were [any] that did understand, that did seek God. 3 Every one of them is gone back: they are altogether become filthy; [there is] none that doeth good, NO,NOT one…”

      So what are YOU going to do? Fear/trust these words and follow them? OR follow MEN in their OWN presumptions?? How can a person (in light of Scripture) POSSIBLY be able to discern what is right and not right by their OWN power and ability??? People in all the various groups/churches/ denominations will try to convince you to trust their doctrine …to trust that They are led “the Holy Spirit”…they like hypnotize people to presume the Holy Spirit “led you to us” (or us to you) …Most will assure any person “God loves YOU” …and a desperate person is very likely to just join hands with one of the first of such that happen upon! Use your God given brains people! There are hundreds of religions/sects/groups/churches with doctrine diverse and in opposition one to another! T

      hey ALL have their convincing arguments why “WE have it right and not the others” ….As far as I can tell reading the Bible ALL saying such are like predators looking for prey….tempting desperate people “look at how sweet and sincere WE are ….stop looking and turn in HERE among US for WE are the people of God and not these others”

      Just be HONEST and confess that YOU do not have the ability to discern that the doctrine each of these spews is truly right …that requires PRESUMPTION …that requires either leaning on your OWN understanding? Or trusting others to lean on THEIR understanding (which amounts to the same thing finally because you would be leaning on YOUR understanding that THEY have it right!…no?) [Pro 3:5 KJV] 5 Trust in the LORD with all thine heart; and lean >>NOT<< unto thine OWN understanding"

      We by nature want to simply choose something AS right …but the Bible instructs to WAIT on the Lord and to NOT trust man or self!

      [Psa 130:5 KJV] 5 I wait for the LORD, my soul doth wait, and in his word do I hope.

      Read the Bible and maybe you will find what I have found …that God favors those who tremble at His Words "the humble" the ones spiritually "hungering after righteousness" and NOT rather the proud and presumptuous following THAT collective "wide road that leads to destruction" ….in impossibly narrow way? That involves I believe HONESTY, humility, waiting, seeking with the WHOLE heart and not letting go no matter what MEN are promising is so! …it involves believing what God's word SAYS about our natural heart! Jer 17:9 The heart [is] deceitful above all [things], and desperately wicked: who CAN know?

      What I am saying is the most universally despised "way" …a way that hardly anyone at all will ever choose as near as I can tell from my experience….it is counted as foolishness, dismissed as unbelief so often in my experience ..when it really IS belief IS trusting!

      [Mat 7:13-15 KJV] 13 Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide [is] the gate, and broad [is] the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat: 14 Because strait [is] the gate, and narrow [is] the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it. 15 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.

      [Jer 17:5 KJV] 5 Thus saith the LORD; Cursed [be] the man that trusteth in man, and maketh flesh his arm, and whose heart departeth from the LORD.

      I personally believe I see how the Bible was written to snare the naturally wicked hearts of men …a judgment of death on the many and a WAY of life for the hungering, broken hearted few

      Because I truly the Bible is meant to be rightly understood only ONE WAY…."Spiritually" rather than literally ….Spiritually refers to the hidden meaning BEHIND the literal words …consider that word here in Revelations 11:8"…And their dead bodies [shall lie] in the street of the great city, which SPIRITUALLY is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified…" ….not LITERALLY but "Spiritually" as in allegorically, symbolically …something akin to how people hide meaning in poetry in other words only this is GOD writing (via the pens of men)

      Once that FINALLY clicked for me? The whole Bible began to explode with new found sense where so many impossible to figure questions had loomed when I thought much of it had to be looked at literally for understanding …once one understands it IS allegory? Then it is a matter of finding clues elsewhere in the Bible what something symbolizes…which relates to being "Spiritually minded" rather than "carnally minded" carnal mind looks on the "letter"/literal the literal and PRESUMES to understand THAT way ….the Spiritual mind rejects "the letter" and waits for SPIRITUAL understanding …I do believe this plainly is apparent now that I FINALLY started looking!

      [2Co 3:6 KJV] 6 Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the LETTER (the literal) killeth, but the Spirit (Spiritual) giveth LIFE.

      [Rom 8:6 KJV] 6 For to be carnally minded [is] death; but to be spiritually minded [is] life and peace.

      If what I am saying speaks to you (the verses I mean really) then if you would if you want, by all means come and talk to me and let us compare notes? I am on face book doug chaney …will be plain if you find the right doug chaney by what I am talking about mostly on there!

      [Rom 3:4 KJV] 4 God forbid: yea, let God be true, but every man a liar; as it is written, That thou mightest be justified in thy sayings, and mightest overcome when thou art judged.

      [2Co 6:17 KJV] 17 Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean [thing]; and I will receive you,

  8. This is a very sad set of beliefs which exemplify the post-Christian culture we now live in. Of course we don’t follow the ritual laws of Old Covenant Israel, but the moral laws are still applicable to us today.
    If we cannot and do not believe the Bible in regard to its’ authority and inerrancy, and in regard to our faith and salvation being only in Jesus, then what’s the point? You can’t pick and choose what you believe from various sources, including your own ideas, and still call yourself a Christian. It doesn’t work that way.

    • all Christians pick and choose. Clearly. that is why we have Methodists and Catholics, Presbyterians and Lutherans, Quakers and–yes, James Jones of Jonestown. NO ONE CAN BELIEVE AND FOLLOW EVERY “TRUE” THING IN THE BIBLE. It is impossible. We love our Father with our Mind–and that is how we respond to His Voice–by selecting what our conscience calls us to. Yes and we are called not to obey the moral laws of the Hebrew Scriptures, but to fulfill them–so that your righteoosness exceeds that of the scribes and Pharisees. It is the Spirit within you, the mind and outlook the Spirit provides that gives us the insight to choose what IS important and what is not. (as in “Walking humbly….”)

    • If the Bible ‘s moral laws still apply, I suppose I should still consider myself a second class citizen whom God is so repulsed by that I am unable to approach the altar. I am left handed, visually and physically impaired and also fall foul of the law on crushed testicles (I am infertile). Wow, so this stuff still applies does it? Well such ‘morality’ is little better than that of Hitler.

  9. This was incredibly helpful to me. I’ve been struggling with the fact that I can’t believe the bible is the inerrant direct word of God and what that means for my faith. I’ve unfortunately only encountered the idea that this means I’m not actually a Christian, which is heartbreaking to me because my soul genuinely loves and worships God. Thank you for writing this, it gives me a lot of hope that I will find peace with these things.

    • I actually think it is a necessary thing to realize that one can not honestly BELIEVE what they are literally reading in the Bible…because I personally believe the Bible is masterfully written to DECEIVE the wicked hearts of people that will lie saying “I DO see how it is literally true” The Bible says that God “rains SNARES on the wicked” Jesus said He speaks in PARABLES and without a parable does NOT speak …the Bible says to be “Spiritually minded is life and peace” but to be carnally minded is DEATH ….it says “lean NOT on thine OWN understanding” and “LET God be true and EVERY man a liar”

      I am convinced that the “snare” of Scripture IS that is is cover to cover parable where the MEANING has to be discerned allegorically by searching the Bible comparing one thing to another looking for the masterfully hidden clues KEY to understanding ….THEN understanding can EXPLODE before one’s eyes!

      So It is not that you can not trust the Bible, it is only that it is NOT what all the corporate churches swear it to be…where they pick and choose which things are key literally understood? My heart is to reject ALL of them searching for and waiting for if necessary the ALLEGORICAL revelation of what ACTUALLY is being said

      Please do not buy into the Bible NOT being trustworthy!! My witness is that it IS…just NOT “literally” (the Letter) ….the Bible says “to be carnally is DEATH but to be Spiritually minded is life and peace ….”the letter (literal) KILLS” “Trust in the Lord with all thine heart and lean NOT on thine OWN understanding”

      Breaks my heart to see people actually trusting those saying the Bible is not trustworthy…they are blind to something in a very similar way ALL the corporate churches are also blind ….ANYONE looking at the Bible LITERALLY presuming THAT is all it is is completely NOT seeing “Jesus” ..who SPIRITUALLY is “the WORD” The “Father” “Author” of the “SON” “WORD” ….THERE is a teensy taste of HOW to understand the Bible …NOT via the letter but SPIRITUALLY “comparing SPIRITUAL things with spiritual”

    • I agree so much with you, Rachel. I am afraid to tell any of my friends or anyone at church about my doubts, because people get so mean and call you unchristian if you don’t blindly go along with all of the Bible literally whether you agree with it or not. I especially feel that way about how people use the Bible to discriminate against gays.

  10. What if a person simply decides he is going to be a good a person and so good to everyone around him physically literally but at the same time simply presumes WHO God is and what is right to say ? IF all those things end up being lies and the person despite all his various physical works was LYING to fellow man actually defying what GOD says is right? Does the person’s OWN version of righteousness justify him before the God he defied? If God IS Spirit and His very WORDS spoken in truth are is actually HIM manifest and a person HATES/rejects what GOD is saying? WHO expects mercy for such as THAT??? Compare the hearts of the two men in the following parable…one is SURE he has it RIGHT but the other only WANTS to find righteousness…notice who is justified and who is NOT [Luk 18:10-14 KJV] 10 Two men went up into the temple to pray; the one a Pharisee, and the other a publican. 11 The Pharisee stood and prayed thus with himself, God, I thank thee, that I am not as other men [are], extortioners, unjust, adulterers, or even as this publican. 12 I fast twice in the week, I give tithes of all that I possess. 13 And the publican, standing afar off, would not lift up so much as [his] eyes unto heaven, but smote upon his breast, saying, God be merciful to me a sinner. 14 I tell you, this man went down to his house justified [rather] than the other: for every one that exalteth himself shall be abased; and he that humbleth himself shall be exalted.

  11. I do believe in Bible. Can you think and can you explain to me that using a science or science formula, explanatory or hypothesis etc. can answer/explain how we create us? a people like us. science says we’re coming from monkey? that’s not true. We’re created by God! If you believe in God, you will know what’s the real answer, if you read the Bible, I’m pretty sure that everything, every questions will have a right answers. Just keep praying, I’m not against about your opinion, but I am christian, a believer/follower and one of the creation of God. I do respect your opinion. But keep on reading (bible), praying, and believing in our God. and He will blessed you, protect you, guide you and loving you. Nothing is impossible through Christ you strengthen you. God’s Loves you 🙂 God will explain to you everything, through me and through Holy Spirit. God Bless. 🙂

  12. Completely agree with you, John. 100%. Thank you for your wise words, which have brought my faith in the person of Jesus Christ back, after years of disillusionment in the “Christian” church.

  13. John 3:18

    18 Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because they have not believed in the name of God’s one and only Son.

  14. I have to confess I got tired of reading the “to and fro” and finally just ignored the last half of what was being debated. I understand that this is an issue embedded in our culture but am amazed at the nit picking. In my case – I am glad I was born in a country that espouses religious freedom. I can, and do, decide for myself what I believe and am happy that others can do the same. I will not give an opinion stating what I think about the topic. I have no desire to proselytize others to believe as I do. It appears that much evil arises from such activities.

    • For if someone comes to you and preaches a Jesus other than the Jesus we preached, or if you receive a different spirit from the Spirit you received, or a different gospel from the one you accepted, you put up with it easily enough.

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  16. Amen john, the folks bashing you should read the bible from cover to cover, then go out back and stone that mouthy teenager to death or have one of their slaves do it. While their at it that gay daughter should have been put to death along time ago too.

    • Your comment tells me that you might want to do as you suggest and go read the Bible, nay, STUDY the Bible from cover to cover, because you clearly have no understanding of the difference between the time of the Mosaic law, given to national Israel, and the current time of grace that we are under today in Christ Jesus. Grace doesn’t mean we do as we please, it merely means that Jesus has died to provide eternal life for all, and through that grace, by faith in Him. But obedience is still expected, and the New Testament is full of commands we are given to fulfill. Of course, if this so-called ‘pastor’ who authored this article had his say, anything would go.

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  18. This article is so full of heretical error and lies that it would be laughable, if it weren’t so tragic. How does this guy sleep at night taking a paycheck for being a ‘pastor’, while denying the very fundamentals of the faith? How sad for his church to have to get their spiritual training from a charlatan.

  19. Next to the word “heresy” in the dictionary is John’s picture. John doesn’t believe the Bible, period. There really doesn’t need to be anything after that or more than one point, he can just stop there. The truth is John wants to pick and choose verses and be his own god, rather than conform to the Word of God. (Yep, that’s another name for the Bible.).

  20. Hi,

    I find it difficult to follow this thread as you cannot be certain which responses refer to a particular previous comment. I am dismayed by the overall implications of the original article as they seem to represent the religious liberal, modernistic viewpoint which does not acknowledge the omnipotence and sole sovereignty of God as described in the Bible.

    Please consider this. I you accept the basic laws of physics you will know that matter or energy cannot be created or destroyed, only changed from one to the other. But you will also be aware that time and space must have had a beginning. Scientists tell us that happened over 13 billion years ago and I accept that as a likely probability but I do not know because I was not there. If you as a knowledgeable scientist what was there before that, the answer may vary but will eventually equate with Stephen Hawkins’ belief the there was “Nothing” (it is on that basis he says God cannot pre exist creation if nothing was there). Therefore, if matter and energy cannot be created from nothing the Universe, including us, cannot be here. But we are! All the above are facts accepted by the vast majority of scientists.

    There is only one possible answer. That some super intelligence exists in a sphere where the laws of physics do not apply. Use whatever name you wish but “God” is one. Now, all we have to do is decide on what we believe about that God. True Christians believe that God has revealed himself more and more through the years and that those revelations and his dealings with the human race are progressively disclosed in the Bible, culminating in the (clearly prophesied in the Old Testament) sacrifice of his only begotten Son, Jesus. That sacrifice commenced a New Covenant between God and mankind. Treating Jesus a just a very good man is not possible. Jesus claimed to be God the Son. If he is not God revealed in flesh, then he is the greatest fraud (and liar) who ever lived. As individuals, we cannot claim to understand everything (Satan claims that and see what happened/is prophesied for him). We need to have faith in God and he will give that faith to all who sincerely ask him and acknowledge their own inherent sinfulness and inability to help themselves. I do not believe the the Bible translations we have are God inspires. I believe that the original scriptures of the Old Testament were God inspired but human involvement in copying has resulted in a very few, very minor inaccuracies which in no way detract from the originals. Obviously you have to be careful in which “translation” you choose and I personally would use only the New King James or the NIV when considering English language versions.

    Some brief quotes are pertinent:
    Jesus said
    “I am the Way, the truth and the Life. No man cometh unto the father but by Me” John 14 v 6
    “Except a man be born again, he cannot see the Kingdom of God” John 3 v 3

    Every person has the ability and right to believe what he/she wishes but we cannot choose to avoid the consequences thereof. I have no right to force my beliefs on others, but I have the responsibility to draw the attention of others to the God in whom I believe and trust. I have no merit or moral superiority of my own over any one else and rely solely on the Grace of God (as revealed in the Christian Bible). I am a sinner, “For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God— 9 not by works, so that no one can boast.” Ephesians 2 v 8/9

  21. Having said that you “have deep love, affection and respect for the Bible” without sounding “respectful” at all by saying that “the Bible has too often been an impediment to progress” is a clear sign of an oxymoronic statement. It’s like saying, “yes I go to school but I don’t believe in what the teacher teaches” or a Christian saying, “I believe in Christ, but some of His teachings aren’t practical to apply these days.” I may say more, but I think a simple yet common question would be enough for you, John. If Yeshua OR Jesus were reading your article today …


    (What Would Jesus Say?)

    What do you think? (Matthew 21:28)

    For at the end of the day, it doesn’t matter if people agree with you, as long as He does.

    So …

    What do you think? (Matthew 21:28)

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  23. Its great to see that energy is givin in His name. I think its great that people are speaking of God and there personal beliefs rather then other satinistic things. Great job creating that urge. Thank you.

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