7 Things Christians Are Giving Up By Still Supporting Donald Trump


Donald Trump was the Presidential candidate of choice for a vast majority for Evangelical Christians, and his support in the American Bible Belt was invaluable in getting him elected.

The impact on American Christianity in the eyes of those outside of the faith has been tremendous and irreparable. As an entity, it has lost any moral authority it ever made claim to and further confirmed for so many beyond its membership, that it is not primarily virtue that motivates Christians—but prejudice and privilege.

Christians who are still supporting Donald Trump should do so understanding what they are giving up in exchange.

The are relinquishing the right to ever again speak with any authority about lots of things:

1) The “Sanctity of Marriage.” Supporting a man currently on marriage number three, one with a documented history of infidelity, flies in the face of the image they’ve cultivated as guardians of the sacred institution of Marriage. Their continued efforts to deny LGBTQ people a single marriage on the basis of protecting supposed God’s ordained one man-one woman standard, ring noticeably hollow as they tolerate Trump’s trinity of ever-younger spouses and his vast resume of filth.

2) The Bible as moral authority. We Christians love to quote the Bible when it suits us, and no one does it quite like our Evangelical brothers and sisters, who can proof-text just about anything in the twinkling of an eye. Many Bible Belt believers actually worship the Scriptures as Divinity themselves. It is the sole standard by which they judge the veracity and authenticity of one’s faith, and the singular lens they claim to view the world with. The problem is, Donald Trump is Biblically illiterate. His knowledge of the Bible is so woefully pitiful that he wouldn’t be allowed to lead a second grade Bible Study, let alone the country. Speaking of which…

3) America as a Christian Nation. When they are attempting to influence national public policy or blur the separation between Church and State for their advantage, Evangelicals and Conservative Christians love to evoke the image of America as a “Christian nation” (even though our actual history testifies against this.) Still, any claims that Christ is at the center of our county’s genesis really fly out the window when you elevate a person of Trump’s poor character to its highest position, and affirm that he represent its presence in the world. This may have been a myth all along, but it will be one Christians can throw away for good.

4) The idea of protecting women. One of the strongest historic Evangelical narratives has been the antiquated idea that men are the leaders, the heads of the family, the valiant, strong protectors of their women. Still at the heart of so much American Conservative Christianity, is a rigid patriarchal sexism that says that all men want to be respected and all women want to be adored, and that it’s still the Middle Ages with men with swords on horseback and women in stone towers needing rescue. To put one’s support behind Donald Trump, a man such with a well-documented, repeated, and deplorable disregard for women should be a flat-out embarrassment to those claiming their safety, security, and respect matter at all.

5) Claiming to be pro-life. Many Christians who identify as pro-life voted for Donald Trump based on that issue alone,  yet Donald Trump is not pro-life. He may have once mentioned being anti-abortion, but this is a far cry from being an advocate for Life in any meaningful way. In fact, with his open racism, misogyny, xenophobia, and his contempt for immigrants and the working poor, Donald Trump has shown contempt for a great swath of Humanity. Advocating for him to preside over all the laws of our country and all of its people, is not a gesture that honors life beyond the most narrow definition of it. It becomes more about politics and semantics than defending the living.

6) Any talk of “Family Values”. There’s a warm, nostalgic, Norman Rockwellian image of Christianity as caretaker of the American family, one rooted in the 1950’s, where all is as it should be. And while most people have now come to realize that this was simply a sugary facade rooted in patriarchy and racism, one that favored only white men, Evangelicals have held on to the idea that the Church exclusively stands for families in ways that no one else does. There is simply no solid ground to stand on to make this claim while supporting Donald Trump to our highest office. The disconnect is simply too great.

7) Policing anyone for sinful behavior. One of Evangelicals favorite pastimes is evaluating the conduct of other people and measuring their moral worth accordingly. Celebrity preachers and ordinary pew-sitters like to pull-quote Jesus and demand to see “the fruit” in the lives of others as conformation that they are people of Jesus, that they have sufficiently repented, that they indeed have been born again: the proof is in the pudding. To then rationalize away the orchards of rotten fruit in Donald Trump’s personal and business history by saying “God looks at the heart” and warning those who bring these things up by chastising them “not to judge”, puts them on really shaky ground and gives them zero credibility to ever critique anyone else again.

Bonus) Talk of “Keeping Christ in Christmas” or complaining about Starbucks cups. Honestly, at the point you’ve elevated Donald Trump to the presidency, is the presence of Jesus really a priority? Let’s all wish everyone “Happy Holidays” and grab an eggnog because Jesus has left the building.

It may sound like I’m saying that Christians whose personal/spiritual convictions led them to support and vote for Donald Trump shouldn’t have been faithful to those convictions—but I’m really not. In both America and in Christ there is freedom and that’s a beautiful thing.

I am saying, that Christians need to realize that having done so (and then doubling down on him despite his reprehensible conduct since taking office) they have lost an audience with an entire generation not steeped in religion, who are seeing the hypocrisy present, who are recognizing the cognitive dissonance at work, and who have no interest in ever being part of it. They are permanently compromising their testimony in the world and making Jesus obsolete. 

To paraphrase a question Jesus asked those who would follow after him, Christians need to ask themselves:

“What will it profit a Church if it gains the Presidency but loses its soul?”

We’re finding out now.


419 thoughts on “7 Things Christians Are Giving Up By Still Supporting Donald Trump

    • Once and for all get this through your small brain; Bill is not running for president. Also Bill and Hillary have stayed married even through his infidelities, they got counseling, and worked on staying together (Till Death do us part and what God has joined let no one pull apart), This is biblical, not three wives, and numerous affairs, and assaults.

      • You call that a marriage???
        They are one thing in public and another behind the scenes! The ignorance and naïveté of some Americans is exasperating!

        • Are you personal friends with the Clintons? I would be careful about throwing the word naive around. The religious right have been skewering these two for my entire adult life…their flaws and foibles are ever-present. If you can’t see the hypocrisy in the endorsement of Mr. Trump by the same individuals who have gone after Hillary and Bill with the biblical vigor of a Pharisee, then you won’t understand why “conservative” will be a byword for the next generation.

          • Please tell me why you think they are worth $300 million? Here are the facts if you are interested:


            And they worked for their money. What did ‘little donnie trump’ do? Well he took his daddy’s money, ran over and cheated people, lied and scammed, didn’t pay small business people, created a fake charity, demeaned women, folks with disabilities, Latinos, Asians, etc.

            And how do you know that the Clinton’s are corrupt? You absolutely know Trump is corrupt.

                  • mmmm seems funny that he, out of everyone else, showed up in Louisiana, rolled his sleeves up and handed out not only food and water but also toys for the kids….oh, btw, I live in Louisiana! I didn’t see you come to my state to help us with the flooding issues or even bothering to help us after we lost everything….did you help any of us? mmmmm somehow I doubt it but keep on with your head in the sand and vote for Hilary since you obviously think that she cares about anyone

                    • That’s called Public Relations, my dear friend. And presidents, CEO’s, most businesses and other organizations have PR management professionals whose job is to make the general public (you and I) feel a certain sentiment about the person or organization they represent. True grit and character would mean that we had seen Donald Trump doing those things years ago, before it ever mattered, because he felt compelled to do so on his own.

                    • Being that the governor asked Everyone not to try to come and makemore of a mess- perhaps that is the reason they were not there

                    • He did that all by himself, there were no cameras, no lackies stirring up the crowd and counting people. Would he have been there if there were no disaster?

                    • The LA governor requested politicians to NOT come to LA to get their picture taken handing out stuff, because they would get in the way. Everyone else complied, except Trump.

                  • Jill Hemphill, if visiting Louisiana ties up lots of police and resources to safeguard a President, major candidate (Trump), or anyone of similar stature, do you think it is wise or not to go there to hand out toys for minutes? Is that the best use of resources for the flood victims? Yes or no or not sure?

                    Do not let your left hand know what your right hand is doing.

                  • Jill H. …I sure hope you enjoyed that water & food given to you by Trump because believe you won’t get anything else. Now that he’s been elected..everyone worth less than $1,000,000 are worthless in his eyes.

                    • How do you know that. Where did you get this information. I have never seen this out there anywhere. You & other uninformed people will say anything & try to make it fact. I want proof of this not just supposition.

                  • Jill , when tRump helped Louisana, he had not been elected president yet. Since he was elected, California had terrible floods and he refused aid to them because he said that they didn’t vote for him. He broke the oath that he made when he was sworn in office to help and give aid to any and all U.S. residents. There was no clause that said, “unless you’re mad at them” or “unless they didn’t vote for you “. Also, when Alabama had the tornados, he didn’t help. He was too busy complaining about Nordstrom dropping Ivanka’s line of goods. What about the Native Americans that he took their land that was given them through U.S. TREATY and is running them off when they have no place to go and digging in their holy grounds to put money from oil into his his r ich cronies pockets. He’s a low life who only cares about himself.

                  • HRC has worked her entire career to help children. This is a fact. The Clinton Foundation has helped millions of people get better AIDS/HIV medication. Again this is fact. The most that Trump can claim from his “charity” is that he took other people’s money and bought a giant painting of himself. There is no comparison – HRC is a better person than the Donald.

                  • I would suggest you need to do some research. Hillary has consistently demonstrated concern for all Americans and to say otherwise is a blatant misrepresentation of the facts.

                  • You own a small business and face competition from large wealthy competitor.

                    Trump: gives you some extra money at tax time. a few thousand.
                    Clinton: taxes you a few thousand.

                    Whose policies help you in this case?

                    Clinton’s of course. Because she taxes the wealthy competitor millions of dollars extra. That is millions less to market against you and undercut you. She also can use that money to provide public help (like military and courts and guaranteed affordable health care despite pre-existing condition, and hopefully free public college should you want it.. without running deficit extra).

                    Trump’s tax policies are basically condemned by many top economists. They help further concentrate power in few hands and increase public debt. Your competitor can now easily undercut you faster so that your innovation and extra hard work cannot keep up, even after spending your few thousand in savings at tax time. You lose business. This isn’t a trick. His tax policies are known to help the elite… but you drink the kool aid of a few thousand tax back? Win battle, lose war. And lose public services AND your kids owe more (public debt), never mind climate change costs that go up the longer we drag our feet.. never mind extra costs when former financially supported allies stop preventing terrorists from boarding planes.. or more terrorists are inspired to walk across Canada open border (terrorism on rise since Trump entered presidential race — would-be terrorists react to hatred too)…. the costs go on and on.

                  • ..forgot to clarify:

                    Clinton taxes your large competitor millions (pretty much the opposite of the Trump plan). Clinton’s plan is better than “neutral” plan (current), from pov of small business trying to remain competitive. Trump doesn’t give you wind on back, doesn’t leave things be, but actually gives significant head wind.

                  • to fres – Her name is spelled Hillary, not Hillery. I would agree that CNN is slightly askew to the left, however Fox News, which is way more askew to the right, loves to paint CNN as a liberal organ because it’s good marketing fodder with a cutthroat competition in journalism. and I do think that Hillary cares more about the average person more than Donald. Her track record actually proves it.

                  • This site brought to you by the DNC .What a joke , HRC is evil personified .A demon worshipper and all your alogations against Trump are false to say the least . And would better identify the Clitons . Nice try sheep .How about your champion of childeren making 6 or 7 trips to pedaphile island on the Lolita express with little willey ..How about her defending a child rapist and then denegrading the poor little girl as if she was the guilty . How about her supporting full term abortion ,which is nothing more than child murder ….how about 6oo million missing from her dept when she was sec. of state how about her #1 helper Huma being linked to isis through her family business in london .no tou little brain people aren’t going to win the christian vote with all your lies .Killary is going down

                    • My Gosh! You are still spouting every thoroughly debunked lie spread by the Right re HRC. There is no excuse for a voter to be so disinformed. You have a franchise. Try to be worthy of it!

                    • OMG. None of this is true. We have seen the proposed budget and it is impossible to say that anyone in the Trump Administration cares about anyone who isn’t rich. Meals on Wheels doesn’t show it is worthwhile? The only contact many seniors have with the outside world get a daily visit, but it costs too much? Our roads are pitted, bridges falling down, but our tax dollars go to build a wall between us and Mexico? Stop climate research? And you are okay with this?

                • I know HRC doesn’t care. He proved it by telling the truth once and called us deplorable. This is how she really feels about all of us.

                  • If you listen to what she says, she said “half” initially and then said it was a mistake. She referenced the many people who shout hatred at Trump rallies and hate immigrants and many other groups. She could not be talking about many good Christians because good Christians aren’t supposed to hate, are to forgive, and should support those in need and pain.

            • This post is not about the Clintons. It is about evangelicals losing credibility from supporting Trump. There are other choices. Deflecting to the Clintons is not responding to the points made in the post.

              • Who is “we”? I am a Christian (Catholic) AND a Democrat. While I do not think either candidate is ideal, the thought of voting for DT makes my skin crawl. And, I haven’t seen much good coming out of the Trump Foundation, except to pay his legal bills whereas the Clinton Foundation does a lot of good for a lot of people globally. Donald Trump says he will put conservatives in the Supreme Court but will he? I would be surprised if he does. It seems he flip-flops on his stances. Just my$.02.

                • Wow. I didn’t realize you lived with them and had all that access to the juicy b a hi d the scenes stuff. Have you seen them naked?

                • The Clinton Foundation’s 2015 tax return revealed only 7 percent of its money raised actually goes to good works. .ore than 21 percent goes to salaries, i.e., $ 123 million for salaries! foor a non profit? this is only part of the reason the foundation is now being criminally investigated by the FBI. Some of the world’s most ruthless, Godless, freedom killing regimes have contributed to (he 9linton 6oundation for quid pro quo venal purposes. Tell me again why Hillary is not the Secretary of corruption?

                  • Having served as a pastor for many years barna group shows the average church has between 50-60 percent of its money going to salaries 25-30 percent on building and operating costs. Less than 10 percent on outreach. From the looks of it the Clinton foundation does a better job than the average church

                • Out of many failings of the Clintons to help people as they say, maybe you should ask the Hatians how they feel about the way the Clintons handled what was reported as millions in funds donated to the Clinton Foundation as well as government funding from the US, to rebuild Haiti after their disaster. According to the Haitians, including their government, they estimate that very little was done to help rebuild after the disaster. The promise of rebuilding a textile factory was done, clear across the country, better cellphone service was acquired, lead by the Clintons getting the contract to one person, one of their long time friends, who just happened to give the Clintons hefty donations. And they did try to restart the gold mining, giving a relative, with no experience the ho ahead to lead the way.

                  It also has been reported that according to some records, that the Foundation is only giving roughly 10-15% of return on donations for actual charity with, despite a glowing record from a so called watchdog group, which is lead by left leaning owners. Also, lets not forget all of the lovely emails detailing exactly what the foundation is, a money laundering business for the Clintons and other influential friends.

                • Same here! The thought of him in the White House really bothers me. The fact that anyone can use his name and morals in the same sentence is crazy! The man is sexist. The only reason he’s saying he will clean up inner cities is to get the black vote! He has no intention of doing anything to help poor or middle class except take advantage of line his own pockets. Any woman who would vote for him has no self respect! His “foundation” was shut down because it’s not a legal nonprofit! He used it to launder money through the campaign and into his own pocket. He’s way more dangerous than Hillary because he hasn’t a clue how government works! He doesn’t even know thhow Constitution. He has never said he will bring his businesses back to the US. The Trump family is not fit to be in the White House. I don’t want my granddaughter looking up to a former nude model.

                • It is against New Testament to bring baby into world when you cannot take care of it (of the family). Jesus even spoke of blessing of barren womb in difficult times. The soul was given to Adam after he was fully formed. God can know your soul before body is born, but that doesn’t mean he puts soul in body of aborted fetus. Find Bible evidence to support your view. You are hurting women. Do you not believe in self-defense? What about when fetus is misbehaving and threatens mother’s health or itself has ailments and dies or will die before birth? Do you not care about women? About God’s children. Jesus said many things about taking care of people — of women, but nothing about taking care of fetus. Experts in Hebrew even disagree with what evangelicals say was law protecting fetus — it is protecting woman, not fetus! Joe Catholic, you are part of the reason women are hurting. How can Jesus support your actions?

                • The Clinton Foundation gives or uses almost 90% directly on their causes. The 7% or other small figure is only what they donate to other charities (eg, Red Cross), but almost 90% total is either donated or used directly. Look it up. There could be money under table, just like maybe you are being given money under the table to say those things about Clinton Foundation. Do you have proof that you aren’t being paid? that you aren’t corrupt or weren’t bribed? I am very suspicious. I know what my gut tells me. Trump has had people pay his foundation when they owe him money. Make of that as you will. He is not contributing to military nor schools (Clintons pay large taxes every year). He is favoring Russia, but not necessarily because a stronger Russia and weaker NATO is in our best interest, Russians are investing in him in part because so many US banks won’t after his many bankruptcies and loss of value of businesses under his management. Trump’s foundation is helping whom exactly? Even the money donated to NY police charity turns out has a number of directors with close ties to Trump (including Giuliani?). What about Trump’s obsession with exacting revenge and jailing opponents? Oh, my, Jesus! Right from the Gospel: jail thine enemies and seek revenge, never stopping to turn the other cheek for anythingeth!

              • There won’t be any government if Trump wins. So far I have not heard one iota of policy from him, apart from those where he has backtracked from what he first said. Do you call building a wall policy? Won’t help anyone. Sending all immigrants home, how far back will he go? Where did his forebears go. A novel way to get rid of wife number three. No I do not live in America but have read enough to see that America will become the laughing stock of the world if Trump becomes President and you will overrun with Russians including his friend ( whom he claims never to have met) Putin. The Russian banks will take over the American banks because he owes them so much money! Use your brain don’t vote Trump!

              • Sounds to me like you would support the Devil himself if he presented himself as a conservative, Joe.
                People sometimes wonder how “decent” people supported leaders like Mussolini and Hitler, or how the Antichrist will fool even decent-seeming people when he arrives on the scene, and here, you have it – evil men like Hitler, Mussolini, and the Antichrist gain the support of regular, church-going people by causing them to set aside their faith and their service to God in favor of service to a “greater good”.
                People KNOW that Trump is evil, but yet, many who claim to be Christians are willing to overlook the fact that Trump stands diametrically opposed to every single teaching of Jesus Christ because he claims to be a Conservative who will appoint conservative justices to the Supreme Court.
                In other words, Trump has persuaded Christians to commit IDOLATRY – Christians who support Trump are placing obedience to God in second place to CONSERVATIVISM….and Satan knows that once you persuade a person to place service to an idol ahead of service to God, you can get them to do pretty much anything else you want…

              • Do you know that a CONSERVATIVE SUPREME COURT legalized abortion in Roe very Wade? Jesus told us to love and help ALL PEOPLE . HE speaking to us? Don’t trust Republicans , they are responsible for WAR and ABORTION .

              • The “we” you refer to is a minority of American voters. WE, the majority of Americans prefer Hillary to Trump. If Trump’s campaign and what’s left of the RNC had any clout they wouldn’t now be stooping to voter intimidation, election fraud and interference from a radical “Trumplandia” faction of the FBI to help them steal this election. He will not win fairly and he almost certainly will still not win unfairly. You DO NOT speak for the majority of Americans!

              • The points made are irrelevant. I’m not voting for a minister or a spiritual leader, I’m voting for someone who just might begin to dig this country out of the mess the Bush and Obama administrations have buried us in. We have seen the libtards run it into the ground and enough is enough.

              • Are we the only people posting who read the essay?? We are being asked , as Christians, to look at what our faith means to us and our relationship to Christ, the teachings of the Bible as a guide of where to place our vote. It is a logical assumption that we will all experience damage to our souls as we cast our votes. The point is that that loss will be much greater if we dumb down our faith in order to makes excuses for a candidate who has no right to command any part of my soul just because I might not like the alternative. I plan to be a Christian for the rest of my life and beyond, but I will not compromise my faith and belief in Jesus Christ for the sake of being seen as right. Whoever I vote for will be in my constant prayers. I will ask daily that God fills them with the wisdom and knowledge that only the Grace of God and the Holy Spirit can provide. I will ask forgiveness if my vote causes harm to anyone and that the consequences of my actions , my vote, be mitigated through the love of Jesus Christ.

              • Joe Catholic, you are proof positive of the above article. It just goes to show there are Trump Trolls bringing up the same tired, and thoroughly debunked conspiracy theories about HRC. I’m so tired of “Christians” insisting on bearing false witness against a woman (time to take a look at that sexism boys) who has been shown to be not guilty of the things that are even vaguely credible enough to investigate. Why is the Christian right so misogynistic? See: Dear Women, You Don’t Really Matter to the Men of the Christian Right

              • If you only realized that Trump is totally corrupt, even more so than Hillary. The election is over and Trump has won and is already making himself look like a fool with his tweeting. I feel so sorry for all the people who so foolishly voted for him and are now realizing that they made a big mistake. and there are a lot of them out there. I wish the whole election could be done over, now that so many people know the mistake that they made.

              • Dr. Ron Docksai
                If you bother to do some research you will see that the Clinton Foundation gives almost all it’s money to charity.
                Here is the major problem with Trump supporters, they just won’t do any research that might conflict with their world view.



            • Try reading some news. The Clintons have not worked for any money. They have lived off of American’s hard-earned tax money, they made a lot of speeches, and they run a huge money-laundering scheme known as the Clinton Foundation. Read about the FBI investigations into her sloppy at the very least email mess, and treason at the very worst. The FBI has been investigating the Clinton Foundation for over a year. Trump received one million from his father and built it into billions. Yes, that is called working for it and earning it. A heck of a lot more than making speeches, and collecting donations from countries who hate us, only to use it for their personal travel and miscellaneous expenses. Try reading once in a while. It will do you good.

              • What about the 200 million in cash and assets he inherited when his father died? What was Donald worth at that time from his 1 million dollar lone? How many people has he cheated. Donald Trump has been involved in approximately 3000 law suits. Donald Trump is also under investigation by the FBI, The FBI just choose not to hold a press conference to announce it…..

                • Yea Donald Trump was under investigation for his supposed involvement with Russians interests that are supposedly influencing the elections. However, just this week the FBI cleares him of any involvement and said there is no evidence of any Russian influence or relationship with Trump or his campaign.

                  • yet Killary is the one that sold 120 million in uranium to the Russians US uranium that will end up in Iran .All Trump said was Putin is a stronger leader than 0bama . which by the way is true

                  • “yet Killary is the one that sold 120 million”
                    Nope, not even close.. although if you have evidence, you can submit it to authorities or even to your Representative in Congress.

            • It’s been proven more then once the clintons are accepting money from countries in the Arab nations and they are lying about more then what we know.

            • You’re arguments became invalid the moment you type about Trump making fun of the disabled. Although portrayed as such by the lame stream media and killary camp, which are one in the same, it has been proven FALSE! He never made fun of the disabled.

              • I saw the video. Trump is also known for saying he doesn’t like losers. If you judge by win/loss (not Christian at all), you will dislike most people with disabilities in areas where they don’t excel/win.

                I could buy that he was mocking with an innocent intention.. maybe apologize for the way he did it, but he went out and denied even remembering the person, something that is unlikely to be true. Not sure who you think “disproved” this unless your source is Trump saying things that appear to contradict video and history.

              • Mostly that’s called cashing in for other hard work you have done and which has made you a celebrity of sorts and full of experiences that give you a certain credibility.

            • Trump built his empire, he didn’t steal it from the taxpayers! Nor did he have it given to him by countries that go against the very bible your trying to thump!

            • where did the 6 billion from the state department go? and check out the stupid “charity” they run. HUNDREDS of millions from enemy countries WHILE SHE WAS SEC OF STATE.

            • Why are you talking about the Clintons. This discussion is about the credibility lost by a Christian’s chouce to vote for Trump. Changing the subject are we?

              • Gemini …but Trump is a private citizen, not a Civil Servant, like Bill & Hillary were.

                For 40 years, Hillary has leveraged her Public Office to fill hers, her husbands, and their Foundation coffers w/ Million$ & Million$.

                And NOW she’s on her way to the White House. Where she is saying, ‘Wow, the po$$ibilities are endle$$!’

              • Would like to remind I do not want Hillary anywhere near the oval office. ADDITIONALLY I would prefer Trump is no where near it either. SO, you see, just because someone does not want YOUR candidate, does not mean they want the other.

            • Wrong again she is pro Constitution not abortion. Trump makes that kind of money until recently when he showed his true colors do you think that adultery is not a sin? Why vote that way that makes rape ok

            • They are corrupt because she sold access to the oval office before she was there. They are corrupt because they stole from the wh when they left previously. They are corrupt because their charity is a laundry, only 7 percent went to charity. When horse face Chelsea can spend over 30k a night for hotels and charge it to the charity, yep, they are corrupt. I could go on, but even you should be able to understand this.

          • You have no clue how they got that money, but you want to criticize them nonetheless. You hate the Clinton’s for having money but you love Trump because he has money.

          • Trump universirty anyone? Numerous cases of contractors and smal businesses saying he refuses to pay them for services rendered. Many cases of claiming to have earned monety for charity and it never going to the people it was gained for. Why should they be excited about Trump? I am by no means a Clinton supporter but Trump is way worse.

          • So you promote Trump? A man that conned the elderly and the poor with Trump University because he’s rich and a business man, but hate the Clinton’s for legally amassing their wealth? They provided their tax returns. Your candidate would not do so…

            The republican party is not the party of Christ. It is the opposite of that. Christ was about aid to the poor. He was about service to others. He wasn’t about amassing wealth and power. Christ wasn’t about hate. Of anyone. He wasn’t very pleased with the people making MONEY off the church though. Otherwise, he was about love. The Republican party and Trump in particular are all about hate.
            “But the stranger that dwelleth with you shall be unto you as one born among you, and thou shalt love him as thyself; for ye were strangers in the land of Egypt: I am the LORD your God.”

            The complete opposite of Trumps message.

            I could go on and on and on and on about how the republican party is quite far from being a christian orginization. They have forgotten what it means. To serve. To help the helpless. To comfort the forlorn. To attempt to be like Christ.

            Now, let’s look at Hillary. Her man cheated on her and instead of divorcing him she stood by him. That shows CHARACTER. She is a christian and HAS BEEN her entire adult life. Unlike Trump who has conveniently become a “Christian” during his campaign. Though I’d point out he sure hasn’t ACTED very Christ like.
            The only thing the republicans have on Hillary is those emails. Which I will admit was a lapse in judgement. However, Collin Powell had a private server. Bush and Cheney not only had a private server paid for by the RNC, they “lost” 15 MILLION emails. Where are the calls for them to go to jail? THOSE emails would be very interesting, considering the lies told to the American public about WMD’s in Iraq…

            She has made public service and helping the poor and young her life’s work. She got 8 million children health insurance that had none. She’s pro education. Trump want’s to lay off 500,000 teachers his first year in office.

            The one that really did it for me though was when Trump made fun of another person’s disability. My sister has MS. I’m sure he would find her difficulty walking quite funny. I don’t abide that. Ever. If you think of one thing when you walk in the ballot box tomorrow, think of that despicable act. Mocking the disabled.

            I truly believe Donald Trump is as mad as a hatter.

          • Yes, and I have no idea how John Pavlovitch can state the following. evoke the image of America as a “Christian nation” (even though our actual history testifies against this.)

            So John, where is your proof? EVERYTHING I have researched and read proves otherwise.

          • Why would a christian be excited by a President that supports hate and bigotry? trump has NOT donated to a Charity since 1996 (Please Read David Farenthold articles in Washington Post) if you want to get into Charities and also his is being investigated by NY State.

          • Because Hillary is a deeply faithful person. She is a devout Methodist who carries and reads from her bible every day. No one ever mentioned that, as she quietly practices her religious views.

          • Because her proposed programs and ideology, when contrasted with the Republican platform, are more closely aligned with the teachings of Christ.

        • Find me a marriage that isn’t one thing in public and another behind the scenes. And how do you know what their marriage is behind the scenes? Judgemental much? Truth is, they did what so many are counseled to do – stayed together and worked it out. I have to admire that.

          • Duh ! You have one — my marriage. As that old hick says — “we don’t put on the dog.” We are the same in public as we are in private.

        • How do you know what their marriage is like in private. You are exasperating for judging something you have not possible way of knowing!

        • You, in fact no one has a right to judge anyone else’s marriage. Period. You really don’t know them personally, let alone know their hearts.

        • Wow. I didn’t realize you lived with them and had all that access to the juicy b a hi d the scenes stuff. Have you seen them naked?

        • Why would any “Christian” vote for someone who approves of killing unborn babies and selling their body parts? Who covers up their husbands affairs and attempts to destroy the women involved? Who lies and is a traitor to their country for whom they work? Who is a known lesbian? Who is a known thief? Who has ordered the murder of 60+ people and who stood by and watched 4 men in Benghazi die. Who could ever support such a low life who apparently has no conscious and no morals? But maybe birds of a feather really do flock together.

          • You seem to swallow all the conspiracy theories with great glee. I investigated the Clintons using google are reading lots of articles. I don’t let people tell me what to think. I am sure you are one of those people who believe anything as long as it is bad. I am sure you also believe Michelle Obama is really a man named Michael cause that makes a lot of sense too. Obama is a gay muslim Kenyan and there is nothing in the world that could ever get you to change your mind because you are very happy with your thoughts. Didn’t Jesus say something about bearing false witness? I am sad that people like you think you are patriotic and a Christian.

          • You folks are flipping nuts, by the comments I have read -Trump lovers and Clinton haters you call yourselves Christians? Really?? You should sit back and reflect, and then reread your comments, very scary!! You are setting our country back 50 years!! Things weren’t that great back then either!!! Oh how quickly we forget!!! This hate talk is why I am against Trump!! He has fueled the hate- he has played everyone of you!! He tells what you want to hear, bowing damn well he will not be able to do not one thing he talks about without congress support!!! Best con I have seen in years!!! And no I am not for Clinton either!! Best way to put it- an uneducated vote is worse than not voting!!! Why don’t you get it- congress is where the change needs to be- 2 party system isn’t working- term limits- get the old boys club out of congress- this is where the change needs to be!!!

        • As opposed to the Sugar Daddy/Trophy Wife transaction that apparently is the marriage of Donald Trump to his third wife Melania? It’s just that sort of marriage that kept the earliest Christian church out of the marriage business.

        • Yes, I call it a marriage based on love, forgiveness, and understanding. She has said he is the most interesting man she knows, and I can believe that. We don’t know what happens behind the scenes and I, for one, don’t want to. It’s not our business.

        • Every marriage is one thing in public & another behind the scenes. Their marriage is just as valid as anyone else’s whether it meets your approval or not.

        • Elizabeth … To question a marriage? Especially one that has faced many hardships and public scrutiny like the Clintons is ignorance… They are more brave to have stayed together than to do the easy thing which is to walk away. Every marriage has its challenges, true maturity is making the deliberate decision to choose love and work it out. Yes, life is different behind close doors. That’s call private and personal.

        • So, you have access to the Clinton family behind closed doors? Cool. You participate in their private conversations? You share their bed? Pretty cool that you have the skinny on what the Clinton’s do and say behind closed doors. Speaking of “ignorance and naivete”, I suggest you look in the mirror.

        • Elizabeth you don’t address the issue that it was HILLARY and NOT Bill who was running for President. She wasn’t responsible for trying to break up a marriage but has done a lot to try to keep it when she could have done what millions of Americans do every year – Christian and otherwise – just walk away and head for the divorce court. I say well done her.
          And the other issue is that we weren’t discussing Hillary at all. Maybe you should go back and re-read the article. Or does it make you uncomfortable in some way that you would rather change the subject.

        • Well done George Patrin – great comment. The illiterate rantings of mostTrump supporters here wanting to discuss someone who is NOT President and NOT the topic of the OP only stand to illustrate what kind of person voted for him. Take a look at yourselves America and realize that you have been victims of the biggest con-trick that Trump has ever pulled. Did you REALLY think that he would build a border wall? Did you REALLY think that abandoned, flooded and dangerous coal mines would be re-opened? What a sad and misled bunch you are. Trump is no more a Christian than I am but at least I have genuine love and respect for humanity and concern for our planet. He only said he was to get elected – and a whole lot more lies and deceptions to con the US public and get into the White House. He said he would disconnect from his business interests and not take a Presidential salary – has he refused it or returned it or even given it to charity. Hell NO!
          I feel really sorry for Melania. I just hope that she will find something worthwhile to do while she is First Lady and dump Donald as soon as he is beaten or forced to step down for the lies he has already told. She’s not living in the White House with him, what does that say about their ‘marriage’?
          The only reason there has been so much chit chat and argument about Hillary Clinton here is that the commenters have been made to feel deeply uncomfortable about the truths told by the OP. They believe in their ridiculous conspiracy theories spread by Republican media outlets. I’d seen most before but have had to laugh out loud about others.
          I feel genuinely sorry for you guys. America won’t be ‘great again’ at the end of Trump’s term of office. Far from it. The US will be even more disrespected and laughed at by the rest of the world, than the day he entered the White House and there could well be another financial crash in the offing (caused by corrupt business people exactly like Trump). Make no mistake about that. America can’t even live by and enforce its own laws about Presidents not having financial and business dealings.
          Oh and btw, we don’t want him on UK soil at all let alone meeting with our Royal Family. They do truly try to represent family and so called ‘Christian’ values and they don’t deliberately promote hate against people of other cultures and faiths.

        • YOU get to judge someone else’s marriage, especially someone who’s been married for longer than the current president’s 3 put together? I think not. Work on your own.

      • Yes and in Deuteronomy 17 it says –
        “Then shalt thou bring forth that man or that woman, which have committed that wicked thing, unto thy gates, even that man or that woman, and shalt stone them with stones, till they die.”

        So what’s your point? Is your point that we are to have a governing body that uses the bible as the governing text? God help us the day that happens because it could be a torturous leader that likes to follow the Old Testament to the letter.

        I am sure there are some zealots out there that would like the part in Judges —
        “Behold, here is my daughter a maiden, and his concubine; them I will bring out now, and humble ye them, and do with them what seemeth good unto you: but unto this man do not so vile a thing.”

        No please don’t start having leaders that govern with their personal religion, it may not be very pretty.

      • As usual, Clinton haters resort to deflection. Carefully read the article. If you support Trump, you have NO moral ground to condemn Bill Clinton. None. You have no standing to judge their marriage. You have no moral Christian standing to judge anyone.

      • She supported Bill….and this leads to the honesty question – where she is consistently lying about lying. Now comes the speculation with the new emails leaked that SHE was part of a child sex ring, drugs, illegal weapons and more. There is too much negativity involving her. Back to Christian values, she supports abortion through the third trimester. I cant see ANY reason to vote for her.

        • She supports abortion in the third trimester, only to protect the life of the mother. NO mother WANTS to abort her child in the third trimester. You’re insane and are you going to raise these children that you don’t want to be aborted. I would guess not!!

      • The Clintons are a package deal. However, I do think it’s surprising that those who so defended Bill are now vilifying Trump, and those who called out Clinton are excusing Mr. Trump. It’s a shame that Americans have come to the point of excusing deplorable behavior when it represents the correct hue of red or blue that they prefer. Let’s just call a spade a spade and admit that Trump is a disgusting authoritarian bully that poses a real threat to our nation, and Hillary and her “husband” are corrupt, power-hungry, politicians that have engaged in pay-for-play tactics to enrich themselves at the expense of taxpayers and national security.

      • Get this through your head. Trump has repented, it was witnessed by four men of God, he is forgiven and to deny that forgiveness is to directly deny God’s teaching. Trump has asked the nation to pray for him and Trump has sent a handwritten prayer to the wailing wall in Jerusalem. Trumps policies support God’s church and will.

        • Wow you are really ignorant to actually believe that. Trumps only regret is that he has been called out on his evil amoral life in public. Trumps policies are for trumps narcissistic ego and he will say anything as long as it serves his purpose in the moment. He is not a Christian nor a moral family man in any sense. He is a self-serving billionaire who is completely power hungry, a lot like Hitler’ was. He is on the side of Satan, not of America, and certainly not of your needs. Did you think the anti-Christ would be wearing a sign?!

      • Bill and Hillary are living in an arranged marriage. Chelsea isn’t even their mutual daughter. Bill has lovers all over the place and Hilary is a closet Lesbian.
        Donald Trump chose Mike Pence, who is an adamant Pro-Life individual, for his VP, and his surrounding himself with good people who are well above average, such as Michelle Bachmann, Ben Carson, Mike Huckabee, Jeff Sessions, Rick Santorum, Sarah Palin, Dr. Dobson, Pastor Jeffress, and a host of evangelicals and other Christian denominations.
        He has promised and vowed he’d nominate Pro-Life Conservative Supreme Court Justices. He’s lowering Taxes, Strengthening our Military, Securing our Borders, and ending Sanctuary cities, as well as renegotiating trade deficits with countries such as China who have devalued their currency to manipulate trade deals.
        You must be part of the NWO to be so adamant against a Trump/Pence 2016 Team. Nothing could be worse than a Hillary Clinton with pervert Bill in the White House again. Huma Abedin is Hillary’s Lover.

        • Do you ( we love America) really believe what you wrote!!!??? We are doomed America!! Uneducated vote is worse than not voting!!!!

      • Some ignore that Bill is still having affairs and Hillary allows this arrangement- godly. God also tells us thou shall not kill and so many are killed daily, boys and girls aborted. SHAME one you for shaming those that want to stop this.

      • You get it through your small brain. BClinton didn’t pursue her. She chased after him for political convenience….and so their spousal contract…never a marriage.

      • They got counseling and worked it out, huh? More like they have to stay together because they know too much about each other. They are both equally corrupt. They would be foolish to walk away from the machine- look how the lives of those 30+ people who knew things ended… in suspicious deaths in case you were confused as to my point.

      • Sticking with a spouse while Both of you continue to commit adultery is no better than 3 marriages. To be caught massive lies by which you line your pockets with $$$$ is a ether either.

        • But Trump has committed adultery on ALL of his wives and has been married THREE times.
          His current wife was a high priced call girl.
          She is a foreigner, current American citizen or not.
          DT has lined his pockets with $$$$ at the expense of the middle class contractors that he hired.
          I hope that he serves us all well, but you still seem like a hypocrite.

      • Hillary enabled bill threatening some of the women he sexually assaulted. Has mrs. Obama said if Hillary can’t control her own house how can she expect to control the White House.

      • You will lose credibility as a Christian by voting for either candidate. You could write this same article about Hillary Clinton. You can’t argue Christian values for either candidate without being a hypocrite.

        About Bill, the simple fact of the matter is, when you run for president, your spouse runs too. Right or wrong, that’s a fact.

      • What is the type of Christian that would be giving these seven things up? I’m not giving these up God died for them to not overtake his people they are all sin and nothing but sin.
        Those who take the Word of God from the Bible and use them to support the fact that a couple has remained together. Yet proclaim that these things are not in his word, that man can not marry man, or woman can not marry woman, or that I shall not murder, abortion is murder & what so ever you do to the least of these meaning (children) you do unto me now God himself spoke these words of warning It’s in the Bible, and to say that a man is not the head you are going againsts his words. You can not pick and choose being a Christian one must apply it all in their lives anything less and you have been and are being blinded by those shrepards in sheep clothing as gods words says will sweep the nation in the end times. People this is Satan at its best all I can do is say these seven things aren’t being lost for Christians it’s being lost for those who whorseship Satan take the time to read the word of God and find salvation from hells fire.

        • Same sex marriage is a legal process to give two people certain rights. It uses the same word “marriage”, but it is not a spiritual/religious procedure as the government plays no role or favoritism in religious matters. Why wouldn’t a Christian not support a legal procedure intended to provide a measure of peace for two people who may not be Christian and have their own understanding of God? Why is that being a bad Christian? We can argue more harm to society and families is being done by disallowing that (or argue both ways). Government can help and hurt Christians. This issue may hurt your mind because you are not at peace, but it’s hardly the same as other forms of hurt that come from many non-Christian policies that Trump supports.

          If abortion is murder, why does Jesus not talk about it in all he says? Is killing a pig murder also? Where does it say a fetus has a soul? Did Adam get a soul as a fetus? Clearly God can withhold putting a soul until you see the light of day. Your understanding of conception comes from modern science. If you listen to modern science you will also see that there is no “soul” that separates a human cell from other cells. They are all cells differing each from the other (even from other humans) based on differing chemical combinations inside.. but where a vast majority of those combinations are very similar across many animals (and one reason why you cannot tell a human fetus from that of many other animals until it has developed for many weeks).

          Jesus spoke of being a good person in many ways that overlap many government policies. Legal marriage and abortion, whatever your views of them, are just two items on the menu of many.. and with more important ones there if you consider all the things Jesus has said and not said.

      • Bill is a serial deviant, even to this day. Hillary trashed his various bimbos, losing any moral standing.
        No, I did not vote for Trump. Get off your high horse.

      • Daniel, thank you! That’s EXACTLY what I was going to say. I’m sick and tired of the “Bill is worse and so is she” argument. There is no comparison , Donald Trump is the antithesis of not only what this country stands for, but he’s also in direct opposition of everything we are supposed to believe as Christians. I’ve watched my family go from calling Trump the devil incarnat to not just supporting him, but actively working to help him get elected and it has become frightening. I fear for our younger generations, the next 4 years are a tipping point, if we don’t continue to protect and support our home, planet Earth, we’re going to have nothing to leave them. Anyways… thanks.

      • Daniel, apparently, you didn’t see Bill’s behavior at the inauguration when he stood behind Michelle and Hillary and kept gushing about how “fine” the new first lady was. (I heard echoes of millions of men around the country at that moment.) I thought Michelle was going to toss her cookies (it was sickening once I figured out what was happening); Hillary played the good wife and simply turned around and glared at him with a smile on her face. That’s marriage? Shouldn’t be, but it’s “accepted” … one of the main reasons I’m not married and don’t want to be. Maybe if the church preached love and respect between people and forgot about the “business” of marriage, this acceptance of cruelty would stop.

        Marriage has just become another obligation/expectation/judgment (like college) we strap on the shoulders of our young people, and women usually get the short end of the stick. I’d like to see marriage put into a place of “spiritual” esteem in our society, but it can’t be as long as it’s pushed on people like college, like it’s a right of passage we must all go through. If you find someone who shares the desire to spend their life with you, get married. But don’t raise your kids to believe they will make you happy if they’re married and not “good enough” by themselves. We’re not all here to be fruitful and multiply, but maybe we are all here to love and be loved. The righteous church doesn’t seem to get that.

        I don’t think Hillary’s been loved in a long time, but we teach people how to love us … she “allows” Bill’s indiscretions because she probably has been trained to believe (falsely) that standing by her man is God’s will and makes her (appear) a better person. My opinion: If she’s not loved and respected in return for her devotion, it isn’t … but being brainwashed to that belief sure keeps her subservient (and disrespected). I really wanted to vote for Hillary, and probably would have if she had started respecting herself and divorced Bill years ago, but she didn’t want to lose the money and fame and leg-up to the presidency … she sacrificed love (and my respect). I’m sure Donald’s wife will or has experienced the same betrayal and cruelty by “allowing” indiscretions … but, hey, look where she is! (Oh, what a lucky woman she is, sung to the tune of Knights in White Satin.) But, will she survive with her sanity? That question alone should keep the rags that Trump likes to read busy for a while, and you can bet he will add his two cents, publicly slamming the poor woman, his wife, any time she appears to grow a backbone (like his ex’s). Yeah, that’s marriage. (Somehow, I think Michelle would put Barrack in his place if he strayed … why didn’t Christians respect her and the marriage they made?) PS: Good article.

      • How often do you see them together other than the occasional campaign rally. Just a question…seems like a marriage of convenience.

      • Yes, Bill was not the best husband but they stayed together and the rest is nit our business. Trump is an embarrassment to mankind and the presidency. He is the most unqualified person to hold that position in my lifetime. There are some I didn’t agree with but didn’t find them disgusting. Trump is disgusting.

      • Well in all fairness let’s just go ahead and apply these same 7
        Things if Hillary had gotten elected and maybe a few more!

      • You are so funny…Bill and Hillary, yes till death do they part. They are evil and have not asked for forgiveness. They continue to do evil and it will all come out. God forgives our sins if we ask. You do not know if Trump has asked for forgiveness but if he has God forgave him. We do know that Trump is a young Christian and he does pray to God.

      • nor treating women as objects, demeaning them and never seeing the worth of the person and then his justifying using locker room talk saying boys will be boys, As though ones faith doesn’t go into the locker room!

    • Agree, you put HRC picture on top instead of DJT and BOOM it fits word for word. The left is still worried about elections. They have no idea about the legal firestorm that’s about to rain down on Clinton, Obama and that whole pipeline stealing crew. Did they think they could just hide the billions of dollars that they paid Qatar and Iran? It must be nice to go through life as a liberal. Not a worry or care. Oh! Not a clue either.

      • The simple plain fact, the answer to “what about Bill” is these same people knew what Bill was like and still supported him. The things pointed out about Trump are things similar to things Bill did and was not condemned for or removed from office. That is the point about “what about Bill”. The double standard of the DNC and it supporters. What this list did not do and should have done is list side by side Trump flaws and how Hillary has not done them. Then list Hillary’s flaws and how Trump has not done them. Furthermore, to assume Christianity is safe with Hillary is a fools assumption! Just read her comments about Catholics, abortion, gay marriage ad infinitum.

        • Then why are you against people bringing up what Trump has done 10 or so years back, and then you go back nearly 20 years for Bill Clinton? A little consistency would be nice.

            • Trump is a blatant and consistent liar. He hasn’t done one decent thing for this country and degrades men who have actually sacrificed for us. Did you think Satan wouldn’t try to fool you?! Did you think he wouldn’t be charming and lie to you at every turn? Satan uses many forms to fool you! Don’t be so gullible.

            • John, did you mean to write,
              “Trump *has* repented, (comma) but Hillary and Bill *have definitely* not repented.”?

              Over then last couple of decades, our schools have failed to teach our children grammar, civics, and (especially) logic and critical thinking, and this is one reason why we have an election with such dismal Presidential options.

            • No one can really know whether another has truly repented and
              one can confess Jesus as Lord, yet not LIVE a Christ like life. Perhaps the current WhiteHouse resident has repented & may be born again but his words & behavior do not in any way reflect the teachings of Jesus.

      • My answer is not about UNREPENTED Bill or Hillary. Rather it is about Trump. Trump is repented, it was witnessed, he is forgiven, he is asking for prayers from the nation for wisdom and guidance, and he has sent a hand written prayer to be placed at the wailing wall for America, and his policies support God’s word.

        • Whoop de do! He sent a letter that he probably didn’t even write himself. So now he’s all good? Get a grip on reality. He will ruin this country if not blow us all up with his power hungry, control freak rants. He has no idea how to run a country or how to negotiate with foreign leaders.

      • Hillary is putting Bill in charge of issues she knows nothing about. He will be First Gentleman? He’ll be back at chasing skirts and interns.
        Look up Clinton Body Count if you want to know about corruption, and watch the FBI Case in Point. You’d have to be very dense not to see the writing on the wall.

    • The crux of the article is that evangelical christians are massing behind Comrade Trump and the hypocrisy they have by getting behind him. It says nothing about Hillary Clinton. This is typical Trumpeteer logic…can’t argue the facts so throw an illogical argument at it.

    • Clinton is far worse on every issue. She has stated Christians must Change the way they think. Her agenda is to ban the bible as hate speech. No Christian could ever vote for her.

    • NOT! Nice try, but LYING does NOT make it truth! Trump abuses ALL women, President Clinton got a blow job by a woman that wanted to give him one. End of story!
      Donald thinks it’s ok to grab females by the vagina, even while groping their breasts, WITHOUT THEIR PERMISSION, even @ age 10! Or to walk in on them, in their dressing room, while in the nude, @ age 15!
      And he CHEATED on his first two wives, with another woman! How soon until marriage #4?
      How soon, will he try to FORCE himself on his first daughter, who is SOOOOOOO Beautiful, just look @ her – like he says, all of the time!
      President Clinton is with wife #1, and they worked out his blow job incident, through their religion & among themselves.

      • Simply put. Mr Clinton is not running and Mrs Clinton is- -and she worked out his infidelities.
        Trump,however is another matter. How anyone calling themselves Christian could vote for this man, given his record, is beyond my belief.

    • [7] things Christians are giving up with Hillary in The White House:

      1. Economic Growth
      2. Sovereign Borders
      3. Health Care Choice
      4. Military Strength/ Police Protection
      5. Public School Success
      6. Free Speech
      7. Religious Freedoms

      (8.) Checks & Balances in Government

      • And the one thing that Christians have given up, even if Trump loses, is Christianity itself. Evangelical Christianity has kicked Jesus to the curb in order to worship Satan at the altar of Conservatism.

      • I have to disagree.

        1. Where did you get those ideas? Economic growth during Bill Clinton and Barack Obama’s terms were clearly superior to those of the Bush’s and in ways to Reagan’s as well.

        2. Borders with Obama and Clinton were essentially as sovereign as they have always been.. except even more now because of homeland security.

        3. Health care choices? More choices (including not being denied coverage) is one reason so many people have been able to quit their jobs which they held onto only to afford health insurance. The wealthier are paying more, but they have money so have the choices they had before. Many in the poorer category now have a choice when they didn’t before.

        4. I won’t comment on this one. I’ll let your Christian conscience dictate the value you put here either way. Keep in mind that 9/11 happened during Bush’ term, a Republican. And the worst embasy bombing happened during Reagan’s term, another Republican. It could just be that despite efforts, our enemies dislike Republicans more. Who knows?

        5. I don’t see your case here either. Some of the top performing students in the world live in “socialist” and even “communist” countries, btw.

        6. Trump wanted to make it easier to sue the press.

        7. Republicans seem to favor Christian issue items like (evangelical) abortion. Democrats seem to favor no religion, which leaves more room for more people to practice without persecution or second class rights.

        I think I am disagreeing in all 7 cases here, or at least with most of them.

      • Does this post feel even slightly ironic to you yet? 3? 5? 8? 1? Well, unless you are the President…his economy is growing just fine… 6? 7…well, assuming you truly meant ‘Religious’ and not ‘Christian’, though I’m sure that is a yuge assumption.

    • To Bret
      Speaking as a woman, I would say that Bil Clinton really loved women. He was a lover and a seducer and women were really attracted to him .
      Trump is a brute who grabs what he wants and the only way a woman would ever willingly have sex with him would be because of his money.
      The two are quite different,

    • I guess some people need another fact check. What I’m about to tell you are only the facts – historical facts, not rumors, not hearsay just plain undeniable facts.

      (This is only a small percentage of a much longer list)

      Of the two candidates running for president:

      Only Hillary would rig the voting, 20 million votes, 18 million invalid and 2 million dead! The only way she could win is by cheating.

      Only Hillary Clinton was caught lying to congress.

      Only Hillary Clinton was fired from a job for being unethical.

      Only Hillary Clinton ordered the deletion of over 30 thousand emails after she was ordered to hand the server containing them over to the Feds.

      Only Hillary Clinton got the rapist of a teenage girl off on rape charges and then laughed about it during an interview.

      Only Hillary Clinton lied to the American people about Benghazi.

      Only Hillary Clinton lied to the American people about her emails.

      Only Hillary Clinton lied about being under sniper fire after landing in Bosnia.

      Only Hillary Clinton lied about actually lying to the American people.

      Only Hillary Clinton was involved in “Cash Cow “
      Only Hillary Clinton nationally belittled her husband’s sexual harassment (and rape) accusers.

      Only Hillary Clinton is a career politician.

      Only Hillary Clinton will not release her speeches to Goldman Sachs and other banks.

      Only Hillary Clinton is tied to Monsanto.

      Only Hillary Clinton was labeled “Extremely careless “about national security by the FBI.

      Only Hillary Clinton said she will raise taxes on the middle class. Surprising right? Watch the speech.

      Only Hillary Clinton benefited from the DNC rigging an election. Bernie never had a chance.

      Only Hillary Clinton had to return stolen items from the White House.

      Only Hillary Clinton said the Benghazi victim’s parents were lying.

      Only Hillary Clinton wants you to vote for her based on her gender.

      Only Hillary Clinton has been investigated by the FBI and found to have put national security at risk.
      Only Hillary Clinton has been investigated by the FBI TWICE !!!
      She wants open borders. Are you aware what that means? Every drug dealer, murder, rapist, anyone with a criminal record can enter the USA. Where will that put your children, grandchildren, wives, sisters?
      She will allow babies to be killed up to minutes before birth.

      Only Hillary Clinton made congress and others spend millions and millions of tax dollars having hearings and investigating her to find that she lied, that would not have been spent if she would have simply told the truth in the first place! Fact – all facts!
      Only Hillary Clinton regularly cussed out and belittled her Secret Service detail.
      But you are going to vote for her because…. you don’t like Donald Trump? That is insane!
      Hillary has said many times that she is the first woman nominated for president. That IS A LIE. Victoria C. Woodhull 1872 was the FIRST WOMAN NOMINATED FOR PRESIDENT ~~~
      I will never understand how any moral person in good conscience could vote for this woman.
      One other issue: She will continue Obama care !!!! Do you want your insurance rates to go up another 125% next year? How much will it be then? Will you buy food for your family or pay insurance?
      PLUS——I have to say I borrowed this post !! It was to good not to pass on , POINTS TO PONDER BEFORE ELECTION DAY :

      If you are Gay, why are you voting for Hillary? She wants to bring in hundreds of thousands of refugees that believe all Gays should be executed.

      If you are Black, why are you voting for Hillary? She admires Margaret Sanger and defends Planned Parenthood. They want to abort as many black babies as possible. “Exterminate the Black Race because they are like weeds.” Most of those clinics are in Black neighborhoods.

      If you are a Christian, why are you voting for Hillary Clinton? She wrote her Senior Thesis on Saul Alinsky. He dedicated his book “Rules for Radicals” to Lucifer, The Devil? She says he was and still is her mentor.

      If you are a Veteran, in the military, or closely related to a military member, why are you voting for Hillary? She left those men to die in Benghazi and had the nerve to lie about it over and over again. They called for help but the help was told to stand down.

      If you have factory job, why are you voting for Hillary? She supported TPP. Factory workers are being laid off because jobs are going overseas.

      Don’t forget the deals she made with China. She also welcomes open borders and for illegals to get benefits with YOUR tax money.

      If you are poor, why are you voting for Hillary? She is supporting Wall street and all the big banks. Big banks keep the poor, poor by destroying the poor man’s credit by allowing medical bills and collections to affect your credit scores so you can pay higher interest rates than the rich. – Taking as much of the little money you earn.

      If you are a woman, how can you vote for Hillary? She has buried all of Bill’s rape victims under the rug. Remember the little girl that was raped? She defended the rapist and laughed about it later.

      If you carry a gun, and believe in the Constitution, how can you vote for Hillary? She wants to eliminate the NRA, take your guns, and abolish the second amendment.

      If you breathe, why would you vote for Hillary? She has left a trail of dead people that did not agree with her or knew too much!
      Hillary has said many times that she is the first woman nominated for president. That IS A LIE. Victoria C. Woodhull 1872 was the FIRST WOMAN NOMINATED FOR PRESIDENT ~~~—–How many more lies will she tell the American people to become the president?———————— PLUS———————————–DO NOT believe anything the so-called media tells you, everyone needs to go and VOTE, DO NOT sit this one out, the country depends on each one of us, VOTE TRUMP lets take our country back from the corrupt Washington Elite

      This is just a little reminder about Hillary, sorry its a little long

      Who ever admires her can step on the same podium with this Lair and Traitor.
      If you’re under 50 you really need to read this. If you’re over 50, you lived through it, so share it with those under 50. Amazing how this can be forgotten by so many.
      When Bill Clinton was president, he allowed Hillary to assume authority over a health care reform. Even after threats and intimidation, she couldn’t even get a vote in a democratic controlled congress. This fiasco cost the American taxpayers about $13 million in cost for studies, promotion, and other efforts.
      Then President Clinton gave Hillary authority over selecting a female attorney general. Her first two selections were Zoe Baird and Kimba Wood – both were forced to withdraw their names from consideration. Next she chose Janet Reno – husband Bill described her selection as “my worst mistake.” Some may not remember that Reno made the decision to gas David Koresh and the Branch Davidian religious sect in Waco, Texas resulting in dozens of deaths of women and children.
      Husband Bill allowed Hillary to make recommendations for the head of the Civil Rights Commission. Lani Guanier was her selection. When a little probing led to the discovery of Ms. Guanier’s radical views, her name had to be withdrawn from consideration.
      Apparently a slow learner, husband Bill allowed Hillary to make some more recommendations. She chose former law partners Web Hubbel for the Justice Department, Vince Foster for the White House staff, and William Kennedy for the Treasury Department. Her selections went well: Hubbel went to prison, Foster (presumably) committed suicide, and Kennedy was forced to resign.
      Many younger votes will have no knowledge of “Travelgate.” Hillary wanted to award unfettered travel contracts to Clinton friend Harry Thompson – and the White House Travel Office refused to comply. She managed to have them reported to the FBI and fired. This ruined their reputations, cost them their jobs, and caused a thirty-six month investigation. Only one employee, Billy Dale was charged with a crime, and that of the enormous crime of mixing personal and White House funds. A jury acquitted him of any crime in less than two hours.
      Still not convinced of her ineptness, Hillary was allowed to recommend a close Clinton friend, Craig Livingstone, for the position of Director of White House security. When Livingstone was investigated for the improper access of about 900 FBI files of Clinton enemies (Filegate) and the widespread use of drugs by White House staff, suddenly Hillary and the president denied even knowing Livingstone, and of course, denied knowledge of drug use in the White House. Following this debacle, the FBI closed its White House Liaison Office after more than thirty years of service to seven presidents.
      Next, when women started coming forward with allegations of sexual harassment and rape by Bill Clinton, Hillary was put in charge of the #$%$ eruption” and scandal defense. Some of her more notable decisions in the debacle were:
      She urged her husband not to settle the Paula Jones lawsuit. After the Starr investigation they settled with Ms. Jones.
      She refused to release the Whitewater documents, which led to the appointment of Ken Starr as Special Prosecutor. After $80 million dollars of taxpayer money was spent, Starr’s investigation led to Monica Lewinsky, which led to Bill lying about and later admitting his affairs.
      Hillary’s devious game plan resulted in Bill losing his license to practice law for ‘lying under oath’ to a grand jury and then his subsequent impeachment by the House of Representatives.
      Hillary avoided indictment for perjury and obstruction of justice during the Starr investigation by repeating, “I do not recall,” “I have no recollection,” and “I don’t know” a total of 56 times while under oath.
      After leaving the White House, Hillary was forced to return an estimated $200,000 in White House furniture, china, and artwork that she had stolen.
      What a swell party – ready for another four or eight year of this type of low-life mess?
      Now we are exposed to the destruction of possibly incriminating emails while Hillary was Secretary of State and the “pay to play” schemes of the Clinton Foundation – we have no idea what shoe will fall next. But to her loyal fans – “what difference does it make?”
      Electing Hillary Clinton president would be like granting Satan absolution and giving him the keys to heaven!
      Short poem you won’t forget

      Do you recall the President referring to the Benghazi incident as “a bump in the road?”

      The Seals who died deserve the public knowing the truth about the whole affair.

      The poem was written by an anonymous Marine Corps officer:


      We’re the battling boys of Benghazi, No fame, no glory, no paparazzi.
      Just a fiery death in a blazing hell, defending our country we loved so well.
      It wasn’t our job, but we answered the call, Fought to the Consulate and scaled the wall.
      We pulled twenty countrymen from the jaws of fate, led them to safety and stood at the gate.
      Just the two of us and foes by the score, but we stood fast to bar the door.
      Three calls for reinforcement, but all were denied, so we fought and we fought and we fought ’til we died.
      We gave our all for our Uncle Sam, but Barack and Hillary didn’t give a damn.
      Just two dead Seals who carried the load, No thanks to us…we were just “Bumps in the Road”.

      Will we act like the press and give a pass to the people who literally sat there in the White House and watched the Seals’ execution on live streaming video and did absolutely nothing?

      “What difference does it make?”

      And she wants to be the next President!

      Former President Bill Clinton collected $5.6 million in fees from GEMS Education, a Dubai-based company that teaches Sharia Law through its network of more than 100 schools in the Middle East, Asia and Africa, according to a Daily Caller News Foundation investigation.
      The company’s finances strictly adhere to “Sharia Finance,” which includes giving “zakat,” a religious tax of which one-eighth of the proceeds is dedicated to funding Islamic jihad.
      The company also contributed millions of dollars to the Clinton Foundation.
      GEMS boasted in a 2013 bond prospectus that it is the “only foreign group approved for educational services in Saudi Arabia.” The GEMS facilities in Jeddah, Saudi Arabia, taught 1,600 students in 2013.
      Saudi Arabia is where Wahabism, the strictest form of Sharia, is observed. The Middle Eastern kingdom bars women from driving cars, requires women to wear the strictest form of the hijab, which covers everything but the eyes and hands. Gay men and women are persecuted in Saudi Arabia.

    • No, the same cannot be said for the Clinton’s. They have not expressed open racism, misogyny, xenophobia, nor contempt for immigrants and the working poor. They have, through their non-profit, been the number 1 contributor towards Aids medicine in Africa and that is a perfect example of serving “the least of these”, which is a perfect example of being Christ-like.

    • Yes, and there are huge number of Catholics supporting Trump. This guy has an axe to grind against evangelical Christians because he got booted from his last church. Super bitter!

    • Bottom feeders of society used to stay at the bottom, Bill go back to the bottom. I’m sorry most Americans are more bright and more successful than you. They understand complicated ideas, but you do have your place but it’s at McDonald’s or Taco Bell serving hard-working Americans that actually make America great with her actions, not repeating something there puppetmaster told them to say.
      Even if Bill was much worse than Trump, and again that’s just you being really really ignorant, he gave us eight years of prosperity snd a balanced budget.

    • You are joking, right? Bill isn’t running for President, Hillary is, so there is that. Secondly, right wing lies about Bill Clinton are just that- LIES!! Yes, he cheated on Hillary, but they are still married and he doesn’t do that anymore. We are talking about the third time married, constantly cheating, sexual assaulter Donald Trump here. Try to keep up.

    • It’s deliberate ignorance like this that will be the end of this country. And how tiresome it is that the only way you Trump followers can defend him is bring into he conversation someone who is”just as bad” or “worse.” You cannot defend Donald Trump on his merits because he has none. And you all know this. There’s not one single quality Trump has that God blesses or proves of. Every Christian knows what God does and doesn’t approve of……every TRUE Christian. It’s not at all difficult to see Trump possesses nothing that can be considered Christian or even good, decent, ethical, moral. NOTHING. People are judgingChristianity and God by what they see Christians do and say and support and stand either for or against. You need to wake up. You’re not only held accountable for your own actions but for who you support, who you associate yourself with, and associating with Trump is bringing nothing but shame and disgrace upon your faith and your God, assuming you have faith and a God. In justifying your support of a man like Trump you need to come up with a much better answer than “Hillary Clinton is WORSE!!!” Good luck with that.

    • I must have missed the part in there that said vote for Hillary instead… Or was it just to be aware of what it means for your faith when voting for Trump?? Hmm… Trump is not the man who will hold up Christian values when in office. That doesn’t mean that Hilaary would either.

    • You miss the point, Bret! Everyone knows the clin tons are criminal and depraved. The evangelical Christians tried to make dt something better than them, ” a lesser of two evils”………HE’S NOT! Come on! These 2 families have been friends for years. They’re cut from the same cloth.

    • Im sorry but you are using false equivalency as a defense, and the common practice of deflection by saying they are “much worse”, (which is highly subjective and frankly wrong if you read into all the details and patterns of life of this guy). evangelicals and conservatives are not holding the Clintons on high, they are holding Donald Trump up there.. The article is pointing out the major and tragic hypocrisy.

    • I AM A WHITE NATIVE RURAL ARKANSAN. When I am casting my vote on November 8, I will NOT think of the “advice” of any entertainer. I WILL however remember the core values I learned being raised by my grandparents in a Christian home; I will remember how they taught me to honor the country of Israel and the Jews; I will remember learning how evil the KKK and segregation were; I will remember the 2nd Amendment for the right to bear arms as my grandad hunted for food for our table. I was asked tonight how I could support Trump. My response was this….If he had put our nation’s security at risk, I would not vote for him. If his organization received large donations from countries that killed women and gays, I would not vote for him. If he boasted 30 Years of government experience, but still could not discern if an email was classified or not, without someone letting him know if it was or not, I would not vote for him. If he boasted about how he has defended children his entire life, but is for abortion, (even late term, when the child can feel pain) I would not vote for him. If he caused lives to be destroyed in Benghazi and then lied to the faces of the parents as they stood at their child’s casket, I would not vote for him. If people who came against him mysteriously turned up dead, I would not vote for him. If he suddenly developed a southern accent when he was in the South, campaigning, I would not vote for him. If he continually broke the law and that was ignored, I would not vote for him, but right now, the ONLY person who does ALL these things is Hillary. Right now, the fact that Donald made some regrettable remarks over 12 years ago, does not move me. I’m bigger than those remarks and we all have said stupid things throughout our lives. To me, the fact that Hillary lies continuously, is a much bigger problem. We can see the effects of her lies by the state of our poor country right now… I WILL VOTE FOR TRUMP. (Thanks Kent Rose for writing some of this.)

      • TRUMP’s father was part of the KKK. His grandfather was a pimp. I fail to see how that aligns with how your grandparents raised you. In fact, it seems quite the opposite.

    • WHAT?!!

      The Clinton’s are far from being saints but Trump is even further. You swear Trump never cheated or has been promiscuous? Clinton may have had an affair but he’s still married to the same woman. Trump has had THREE wives or lord knows how many other women as mistresses and just plain

    • Why are any of you arguing about the Clintons? This is NOT about comparing two people. This is about who the current President is and his complete lack of humanity. He has said whatever he needed to do get elected. He has spewed hatred and intolerance with vengeance. He and the christians who have supported him have lost any credibility they might have had because their words and actions are the complete opposite of what being Christian (Christ-like) is all about. trying to draw attention away from what was written by creating a distraction in bringing up the Clinton’s is a tactic currently employed by the administration and is pathetic at best. The fact is that these “7 Things Christians Are Giving Up By Still Supporting Donald Trump” are all facts! You are free to still support him if you choose just enlighten yourselves. It seems that today’s christians are living and behaving in a way that is contrary to the true definition of being a Christian which is to be as “Christ-like” as possible. To be nonjudgmental, tolerant, loving, accepting of all…after all, no one should be picking up a stone to throw at anyone else since we all have sin. It is how we act and treat one another that shows who we really are and if, in fact, we are being Christian.

    • Clinton’s behavior was deplorable but that is not this article’s subject matter. And to my knowledge, Evangelicals did NOT put Clinton in office,

    • You’re sounding that same dull fairytale Bret as if it is actually a truth. Bill had a lapse in judgment for which he apologized. I haven’t heard tRump apologize for one single thing he has done as an evil in his life. And isn’t regret and forgiveness a foundation of our faith? Now is the time to forgive Bill his transgression- you sin in your inability to do so, and especially in your politically designed motive to keep bringing it up.

    • That’s ridiculous, Bret. In what possible way is Bill Clinton “worse” than Donald Trump on the subject of marriage? Infidelity is infidelity. But, interestingly, the Clinton marriage stayed intact. Read into that what you will, but when it comes to vows, the Clintons kept that one.

    • Why is… what about the Clinton’s the stock reply for every point raised not…who cares about them Trump is the President NOW..if you were that concerned about someone like Bill being in the White House why would you ever put someone in there that openly speaks about grabbing women by the genitals… your argument makes no sense.

    • The purpose of this article is to say to Christians that no matter who you vote for since they are not perfect you cannot vote for them and be a Christian,so why dont you Christians stay home and let us liberals run things because,no pun intended, it is our divine right.

  1. Christians are generally Conservative voters. Mostly, because we truly love Freedom. (freedom from too much Govt interceding.)

    Simple delineation is that Hillary is left of Left, Liberal, lives & breaths ‘Govt’ . Trump, a businessman, represents Middle Right, wants to decrease Govt overreach, and increase private sector growth, the back bone of Middle Class America. [20 trillion in debt is unacceptable to informed America. ]

    Hillary has our Govt wrapped around her little finger, and has pulled those strings for 40 years. Simultaneously she has been extorting $$ from any who seek her favor [that comes from power she has culled in Public Service, that I PAID FOR].

    Have her octopus tentacles helped America? We think she has hurt us. Conservative Americans think that is unseemly and not what our Constitution stands for.

    She’s a hypocrite.

    • Correction. Christian fundamentalists and conservative evangelicals are generally vote for conservatives. Many other Christians DO NOT vote conservative.

      The Clintons have always been middle of the road—leaning conservative. This is one reason Bill left office in 2000 with such high popularity numbers. Bill’s whole strategy to deal with a conservative Congress from 1992-2000 was what I call “stay in power by out-conservating the conservatives.” My primary concern is that Mrs. Clinton will assume this same position over the next four years if she is elected.

    • Obviously, you have not run into http://www.patheos.com/ an entire blog presence run by Liberal Christians, and no–those two words together are not an oxymoron. Please note that Roman Catholicism is the largest Christian Denomination in the world with the various flavors of Eastern Orthodoxy running in a distant second place. Evangelical Christianity is maybe a plurality in the US, but that is rather thin soup as on any given Sunday that is not Easter, Christmas, or near Thanksgiving most pews are empty. The largest plurality is perhaps those who are Unchurched, at least that is the largest growing cohort. The point being is that Conservative Evangelicals are hardly a majority when one takes the nation as a whole. Demographically the data vaguely points to an actual relative decline for all types of Christians as Millenials drift to a to a more individualistic, and less church-based faith which includes more non-conformists and (yikes!) atheists.

    • Anonymous, seriously? Is your bedtime 5pm, or have you not just been paying attention? ‘Clinton is left of left’? Hardly, if you have a left-leaning bone in your body! Remember a dude by the name of Bernie Sanders…ring a bell? He was/is LEFT…his primary mission was to ’tilt’ Clinton to the left…she – like Obama – is a Centrist…or as we Yellow Dogs like to say, ‘the elephant in the room at a democrat’s party’! But you are right, $20 trillion in debt IS an abomination, but let’s examine that inheritance a bit more closely: Year 2008: the War on Terror cost the federal government $197.6 BILLION, add that to the $350 BILLION paid for the bank bailouts…hmmm, smells like RECESSION to me! Pay attention, I hear there is a quiz to get into heaven! 😉

    • I agree completely. Hillary says one thing to people she wants to impress and another to people she wants to vote for her. She should be ashamed of all the lying, etc., she has done for so many years. The Clinton Foundation is not helping anyone but the Clintons and I believe the FBI will son find her guilty of lying to the public.

    • Wow, you are so far from reality I’m surprised you can feed yourself.
      Evangelical Christians don’t give a damn about the size of government, their goal is to force, with the help of government, their personal opinion on everybody below them, and I mean below them, they want to be put up higher than everybody else. If they need a large government to do this, they will creat it.
      Besides the ignorant puppeting of the words “Small Government” when we should be aiming for efficient government, nothing of substance if uttered by you people.
      You blabber words like “fiscal conservative” but can’t name one right wing president you supported that ever balance the budget, you can’t even name one that left office when the deficit was decreasing! You can’t even claim that!

      I don’t believe people like you actually read the constitution, you just play lip service to it, ” …and not what our constitution stands for” try quoting the real US Constitution to support your claim …LOL! Yeah right.

      Go back to your vile candidate and his Russian supporters. Let’s be clear, people that yell “let’s make America great,” have nothing in common with the people that came out of World War II that actually made it great.

    • Wow, if you put tRump in there instead of Hillary- for the most part- it fits perfectly. Wow! You do know tRump was a democrat before he “became” a republican.

  2. English and reading this, And particularly reading the moments posted all I can say is that I can truly understand why people in droves are sickened by the word ‘Christian’, especially as it applies to Americans who boast of the name and post comments such as these and vote for a person like Donald Trump. The name ‘Christian’ has been so utterly hijacked by people who have nothing – NOTHING – in common with Jesus, that it is truly, appallingly, breathtakingly awful. And all the more so because they seem completely oblivious to the disconnect. God have mercy on us all…

    • Really? I’ve heard all this ‘family values’ crap from Christians and the RW for decades. Now when they support someone like Trump I know it was just words signifying nothing.

      • Just remember this! They both Suck in 2016 and they both have made and continue to make a lot of promises that they cannot make happen. There’s a group called “The United Staes Congress” that either of them will need to get most anything accomplished, period! There were much better people that wanted to be President but super intelligent voting public picked the worst of the worst and that’s what we are stuck with. We have no one to blame for this fiasco except our own stupid selves. The proof of who these people has been there from the beginning, we just continue to deny it and reason it away. Another little tidbit folks might consider is Donald Trump was a Lifelong Democrat until he decided to run for President. So when he makes promises about the Supreme Court or anything else for that matter, what makes anyone think he won’t change his mind once elected? He loves to renegotiate things if he changes his mind and he’s known for that. Clinton is who she is, and she will continue her agenda which we know as it’s on record! People are going to find a way to justify voting for either of these people and will tell whatever lie to themselves they need to so they can save face and sleep at night. It’s called the “Human Afflication”! Just like a case of “Stupid”, there’s no cure for it. “JustMy2CentsWorth”. Now have fun with it!

    • The thing is, elections in this country are binary. You can choose the democrat or the republican. Say what you want about Johnson or Stein, but neither have a snowball’s chance in hell of winning. This year we can stick our fork in the Trump socket, or in the Clinton socket. Either one is going to suck. In a vacuum, voting for Trump is a terrible idea, and I have huge issues with the mass of morons who made him the republican nominee. ANYONE else that ran would have been 1000 times better. What’s done is done, though, and compared to his opponent, an argument can be made that he is the preferable choice. I still couldn’t bring myself to vote for him, and went the write in route, but given our options this go ’round, I can’t fault someone who does. Likewise, as much as I am repulsed by Secretary Clinton, I get why someone would vote for her purely because her opponent is Donald Trump. It’s a joke, though, to try to claim some moral high ground, like this author has repeatedly done, when your own candidate is one of the most ethically challenged people ever to walk the earth.

      The amazing thing to me is that for all the talk of this being the most important election of our generation (aren’t they all), both parties managed to nominate the only person who makes it possible for the other to win. If Kasich or Rubio are the GOP nominee, the race is over months ago. Likewise, we could all be prepping for the upcoming Sanders administration if the democrats (or the DNC anyway) had nominated him. Never before has an election epitomized the lesser of two evils concept. It’s tough to make the argument that we are capable of governing ourselves when, out of all the competent and worthy people in the country, we picked these two.

    • Yet the Pope has spoken out on Trump’s position viz Immigration. Does that mean anything to “Joe Catholic” or are you claiming to be more Catholic than the Pope? Somehow you know better than Francis I who did speak out against Trump but not Hillary?

  3. And are not Hillary’s sins between her and her god? And just what are Trump’s policies? You can go to Hillary’s and find hers. Trump just has words.

  4. Well- John- you’ve nailed it! To the cross! And we get this all anyway- because his christian voters voted for him- even if he loses! Yay! The christian right is wrong! The (im)moral (im)majority isn’t! So not voting for donny dumpster and the repubs! It’s hard to imagine the depth of the ignorance of trump supporters- but oh well. Not my problem. They’ve done themselves in- by hating on people like me- and they actually deserve exactly what they get. Your jesus? He be spinning in his grave!!! I mean tomb… lolololololol Oh yeah- that’s right- he was rezErected. Long live rigor mortis jesus!

    I- too- believe in freedom. The freedom to throw your religion (and really- all religion) on the trash heap of history. Free from your judgmental b@$t@rd god.

  5. When the Christian Right was arrayed against Bill Clinton, their cry was “Character is King”. Now that Trump is the Republican nominee, they ignore his profound character and behavioral flaws and say instead that policy is what is important. This blatant hypocrisy by leaders of the Christian Right is what most appalls me, an evangelical Christian, in this election year. Appalled, but not surprised. Leaders of the Christian Right have lost even the vestiges of credibility with me.
    Notice I said no word in favor of HRC.
    Oh and BTW, Christianity Today noted that Yes, a majority of “self-identified” evangelicals support Trump. But amongst believers who affirm conventional evangelical beliefs (e.g., Christ is the only way to salvation, sola scriptura, etc.), support for Trump is less than 50%.
    Again, note I say no word about HRC. Indeed, I reject the entire construct that “if you are against A, you must be for B”.

    • I went the write in route (though I don’t believe my brother will garner enough support to be competitive), and I’m right there with you regarding folks like Robert Jeffress, who got into bed with Trump during the primary process. Hypocritical idiots, all. But if you supported someone else in the primary, I can’t really blame you for holding your nose and voting Trump, given the horrifying alternative.

      • 7 states ban write in votes for president: Arkansas, Hawaii, Nevada, S.Carolina, Louisiana, Oklahoma & S. Dakota. Your write-in vote will be thrown out
        35 States require that a “write-in” candidate file an affidavit a month before the election. N. Carolina requires that a petition be circulated. Acceptable write-in candidates (names) are posted at polling places, but not on the ballot. Other names don’t count. (Your vote is thrown out. )
        Oregon & New Jersey will only tabulate write-in votes, if it appears the person has a chance to win. Otherwise, those votes are thrown out.
        Only 7 times , has a write-in vote ever won a congressional seat. Writing in a name for president is actually throwing away your vote.

  6. I’m a Christian, I have a relationship with Jesus Christ. He is my Lord and Savior, and no man or columnist can judge my heart. I’m voting for Donald Trump, because Hillary Clinton is the devil herself and I’m trusting in my God to defeat all evil. Is Mr. Trump the perfect candidate? By no means! Is he our best hope? Yes!

      • We’re judging Hillary, Bill, Huma, Lynch, Mills, Brazile, Podesta, et al., corrupt ways that reach deep into the State Dept, The Dept of Justice, The White House, The FBI, the DNC & the Clinton Family Foundation.

        This is OUR AMERICA that she has commandeered for her entire lifetime.

        [Trump is a private citizen, who minded his own business for 70 years. He is NOT held to the same standard as our Civil Servants are, because we don’t sign his PAYCHECK every month, like we do Hillary’s. ]

        Why don’t Liberals realize that Hillary’s salary has always been paid by American Taxpayers, and that is why we have a right to complain about her dismal performance?

      • What anout life already here…The children here lliving in poverty….young people dying in evil wars, assisited suicide, the death penalty people dying because of our greedy health care system…these people csnnot pay….yet all you think about is fetuses…You are pro birth not pro life..EVAN OUR POPE IS CRITICAL ABOUT OUR TREATMENT OF THE POOR….RESULT IN HIGH MORTALITY RATES Trump cares nothing about them. .he is more evil then you realize and frustrated men like you realy want is to retain control over women…and our bodies as youre patriarchal sick right…You care littleabout lifes sanctity. .IF YOU were realy prolife joe 6ou would care for all life

      • We cannot and should not “Judge” her about anything! It’s not our job and it’s already covered! We can have an opinion and make a choice, but an opinion means squat!

  7. What you have said about Christians who vote for Trump can also be said for Christians who vote for Clinton. As an “Evangelical” Christian, your article ignores the sins of Bill and Hillary Clinton. You say “Evangelicals” are giving up “family values”, “pro-life”, etc. if they vote for Trump. The same can be said if I vote for Clinton.
    In reality, I cannot vote for Clinton because her policies are not what our country needs. We don’t need Obama Care. We don’t need more government controls and programs. We need more rights allocated to the states and local governments. Education, marriage, insurance, medical services are all best managed at the state and local level. This is not a new issue. We have been fighting a strong central government since the establishment of the US. Because I am an “Evangelical Christian”, I will vote for less government. I will vote for less government regulation. I will vote for freedom of worship and the “bill of rights”. I will vote against political correctness, executive orders, discrimination laws that are more discriminatory than protection. I will vote against government corruption, having two faces: one for the public and one in private.
    I will vote against using any trick or method to get elected. I am well informed voter. I am a pastor that doesn’t worship the Bible, who grew up in the deep south, and who is white. I believe God calls us to love one another to seek to live peacefully with all, but God does not call me to be silent and allow others to defame me or others like me who see things differently. I have deep abiding faith in the Creator, Redeemer, and Sustainer a/k/a Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. I don’t agree with Trump’s actions. I will vote for Trump because the difference in issues is very clear. Like Thomas Jefferson (who would be shocked by the present Democratic Party), I vote for less government and liberty.

    • Ron, can you tell me how being an Evangelical Christian informs you favoring less government? I’m not picking a fight, I really want to know. Thanks!

      • Mariska… remember in the Old Testament that God set up his People to be governed by Him? [He did NOT want them to be beholden to any one else.]

        But, because the Jews were jealous of the pagans who had Kings (they loved the flash), they clamored for one. God was very disappointed, that they did not think he was enough.

        In exasperation, he allowed them to have Judges (and that went terribly), and then they weren’t happy with that, and they clamored for a King(s). So God, with much regret, gave them what they craved, a King (and that went horribly wrong too!).

        The point being, that God is our Leader, he’s laid down his Laws. As much as Man-made Government is necessary to be a Force against wrong doing, too much Government is like the ‘tail wagging the dog’ . [You know, like it is now.]

        In addition, any Government that does not recognize God , is based on a lie. [Because, Government comes from God. ] The day he told Adam and Eve to not eat from the Tree of Knowledge of Good & Evil, that was the first Government . [And there were consequences for going against that Govt.]

        • Paul, I was going to say something along these lines, so thumbs up to you. Democracy is a lie. It makes people think they have a say in how their country/state/town/school/church is run, but is a delusion, and the only ones who have a say are the wealthy and/or corrupt elect. Maybe G K Chesterton’s idea of a randomly selected, short-term only, king or queen has merit?

    • I am an Obamacare patient—walk with a cane and not too far from being crippled. If Obamacare had not been available 3 years ago when I lost my job and company health insurance—because my boss was forced to shut down our office and lay off his workers—my family and I would have no health insurance at all. As it turned out, we needed insurance because after we signed up, some potentially life-destroying medical problems ensued in our family. Would you have preferred that one of us become blind and the other one die from colon cancer? Because of the Obamacare insurance, both threats were averted and we are healthy. Explain to me as a Christian pastor—using traditional Christian thought and principles—why it is wrong to have Obamacare insurance and why we should have gone ahead and died to make you—a person who claims to be a pastor— happy. I insist that you square whatever argument you can muster with the full content of Matthew 25:31-46 and all the other scriptures throughout the Bible that COMMAND the followers of God to meet the needs of their neighbors who are experiencing various needs and difficulties.

      • Before the ACA went into effect my wife and I paid about $800 a month for a $1,000 deductible. This past year it cost $1400 a month for a $4,500 deductible.

        We just received a letter that our plan is being canceled and we need to pick a new one. Rates in our State are scheduled to go up @ 30%.

        We would come out ahead if one of us stopped working and took a subsidy from the government. Not going to do that because we have worked a long time. My first job was at 13 and I am now 64 years old.

        The ACA did not do one thing to control medical costs. It should have been called the insurance act because all it changed was the rules for insurance. Insurance pays the invoices but nothing was done to lower the cost of those invoices.

        You want to really dig up dirt? Start looking at the amount of people collecting social security disability but could hold a job. I personally know of a several people doing it. The numbers have been increasing and there is no end in sight. The government does a poor job of checking for fraud.

        • You know if Republicans allowed a fix to the program, specifically increasing the “tax” on those who do not participate in ACA quite a bit could be smoothed over. From the 1960’s we have tried just about every private care scheme available only to have rates increase and more people become uninsured. Believe it or else, the ACA is just one more attempt to correct the issue via private, for profit, insurance.

          But any kind of fix that has Obama’s or the Democrats name affixed to it, even when it has the Heritage Foundation’s seal of approval, and was done successfully by Mitt Romney in Mass is the work of the Devil. Jesus weeps.

          • Wait, so the problems with the ACA, which passed without a single republican vote, and over the objection of everyone who (correctly, as it turns out) said it would never work the way the administration claimed it would, are still the fault of said republicans, because they won’t raise taxes?

            • Yep — now you understand liberal thought patterns. It is never their fault it is always the fault of others.

              I was not a fan of GWB but I still (every once in a while) hear a Progressive (new word for liberal) blame the slow return from the recession on GWB.

        • Robert. I have a friend who works in the healthcare industry and monitors where it is going. The large increase in your health insurance rates would have occurred even if the ACA had never existed. Here is what is really happening.

          The insurance companies, drug companies, and hospital companies know that health insurance and the cost of healthcare will continue rising to very high levels in out years—levels so high that no one will be able to afford insurance or drugs, or medical care—so high your company will refuse to continue buying insurance for you.

          My friend says that the drug companies, insurance companies, and hospital companies are well aware that the “handwriting is on the wall” for the own death. Price increases like we have seen for many years cannot continue. The costs rises are going to be far worse over the next few years for a very Biblical reason. Just as Satan sees that his time is short and that he must devour as many people as possible, the drug companies, insurance companies, and hospital companies see that there time is short too. Therefore, they must raise their prices enormously to devour as much money as possible from “we the people” before the curtain goes down forever on them. This is why you have drug companies raising a medicine that costs $50 per month to $1000 per month. This has even happened to me. I take a generic medication that costed maybe $180 out of pocket for a 3-month supply three years ago. It now costs $1,400 for a 3-month supply. That is a more than 700 percent price increase in just 3 years—for a generic medication. We are going to be seeing more of this over the next few years. My last point. My friend says the drug companies, insurance companies, and hospital companies all know that government single-payer medicine (socialized medicine) is the only answer that will work for the American people. They know this and will admit to it in private with close friends.

          They see a day coming when a single-payer law will be passed, Under that law a drug company will say, I would like to sell this drug to sick people for $8.00 per pill. The government will say: “Nothing doing” This is a generic drug that is 50 years old. It costs you one penny per pill to make this drug. You are going to sell this drug to your patients through single payer for 50 cents per pill—or very bad things are going to happen to you and your company. The companies will call that tyranny. I and most of the American people will call that well-deserved justice when the time comes—and that time is coming soon—and the collective healthcare industry already knows it is inevitable.

          • Everyone can say they have a fried that works here or there. So I took your prose with a grain of salt. I am a commercial construction risk guy (yes I am an insurance broker). I don’t do health insurance but I am licensed to do it. Last year Highmark Blue gave out the numbers of the people who jumped on their ACA Market Place plans just to receive a lot of high priced operations. After the operation the people didn’t pay anymore premiums. Nice huh? Plop down a few $hundred received $150,000 in care and never pay another dime. Insurance industry calls them shock claims.

            The fine for not having insurance is so low it is as though it was set up that way. Plus it is in the federal register that the only way to collect the fine is to take it out of any tax refund you may be getting.

            Guess who pays for those that took advantage? Me, my wife and others who are responsible payers.

            So no….I don’t agree with your friend that we would have seen such increases without the ACA.
            The ACA has no actuarial basis, no moral hazard clauses and it really was meant to fail.

            Twenty five years ago when I was doing health insurance I did gorilla marketing of self insured plans. You had to have at least 500 employees. The insurance was stop gap so essentially the company was directly paying the bills. The health care costs could not be controlled because the chain of hospitals, docs, etc. were not a competitive market.

            It is so out of control that IMHO the only way out will be single payer. People won’t like it because just as HMO’s tried, the government will have gatekeepers and also low payments to providers. Like Medicare does now.

            I was at the doc yesterday and she ordered a bunch of tests. I am going to try and shop for the reasonable cost for blood work, the x-rays, etc. I’ve tried at another time do do it but the providers won’t give out the information. They say — it all depends. In other words …come in so we can bill your insurance.

            Germany has a two tiered system. If you make over X amount of money you can leave the public plan and get private insurance. Plus in Europe most responsible people have top-off plans. Top-off plans pay for work the government plans don’t pay for and our politicians never mention the top-off cost of Europeans.

        • A comment on the issue of people collecting social security disability but “could hold a job.” You must have no realistic idea of what one must go through to be considered disabled enough to collect SSDI (Social Security Disability Insurance). There are stringent rules and I know, because I went on the internet and printed them out, 80 pages of rules and standards the government uses. In my case, I had a myocardial infarction of the left ventricle of my heart. The rules for heart failure say that my ejection fraction (a measure of how much blood my heart can pump) must be 30% or below. After having my heart attack, being in the hospital with an artificial heart helping my own heart while it regained strength, the doctors told me I had a 50% chance of living another year. I was told to go home and get my affairs in order. I was also told that I could no longer work, or even carry anything heavier than a book. I had to resign from my company with an apology that I was not able to give them 2 weeks’ notice. In return, I was given almost all of a year’s salary as a severance for a gift, plus I got COBRA health care until I transitioned onto Medicare. Anyway, the Social Security administration was pretty straightforward. They warned me that it would take 9 months to process my claim, and before I could receive benefits from the government, I had to be examined by social security’s own independent doctors to have my condition evaluated by them, as well as my own doctors. I had to see a psychiatrist, a cardiologist, and a family doctor for Social Security. In nine months, I began receiving benefits. I was dismayed at how little I received, and had to readjust my lifestyle to fit my very restrained income. OK, that is my history. My point is, things have changed now. I have a friend whose husband has had both hips replaced with steel joints, who can barely walk, and has been denied benefits. He lives in constant pain, and his only recourse is to sue for benefits. My own sister-in-law who was born with a birth defect, a very obvious defect of her lower legs and ankles so that she can barely walk, had to sue for benefits as well. I have heard that social security now tells applicants that it would take 2 years at least to get a disability check or a denial letter. Now what are handicapped or disabled people to do in that long period of time when they are unable to work and earn a living? One friend of mine lost her home, and had to live with me for 2 years (good thing I had a spare bedroom) because she had gone blind due to a brain tumor. I could go on and tell stories of people who need ss disability right now, but they aren’t getting it! The system is broken. But as for checking for fraud, it seems to be they do a very thorough check for fraudulent claims. It is almost impossible to get SS Disability without waiting 2 years and then having to hire a lawyer and sue for benefits.

  8. I’m calling bullshit on this. Gives christians a bad rep. Get a life. It’s christians who are charged with living leadership.

  9. John P. That was an excellent post. Absolutely excellent and true as the day is long. Jesus told us that there would be a lot of fakers and pretenders in his church—and you just nailed them. The people above like Jim Overstreet, John Noe, Roy Pearson, etc. just nailed themselves with their own words. See you in Hell boys!!!!

  10. As a Christian I have been appalled by the hypocrisy of many evangelical leaders in their support for Trump. This support for short term gain or power will do lasting damage to our witness and duty to shine as lights in this world. Much of Christianity will have no moral authority after this debacle.

    To those who say that Clinton is worse, that does not justify supporting Trump. We are meant to choose someone who upholds the values of the Lord we follow. To me, choosing between Trump or Clinton is like choosing between Herod and Pilate. The correct choice is “none of the above”. Or write in “Jesus”.

    • So you are for a theocracy? So when someday another religion is the majority they are supposed to use their religious belief to choose the person that will govern you.

      You have had history courses right? You do know about the Founding fathers beliefs…right? I think if you take a moment and read John Adam’s when he says that we are “The government of the United States is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion.”

      Perhaps the intolerance of middle eastern governments appeals to you but to many that believe in the Republic, not so much.

      Trumps bombastic speaking bothers me but when you speak to New York people that have had dealings with him, he is really not what you see. He goes out of his way to genuinely care about the people who work for him.

      Hillary? Ask the Secret Service detail what they think. I know a guy that was part of the Farm, did shadow spy like operations. He is even pictured on the Internet in the government operations. he is not a fan of Hillary…not at all and neither are the secret service details that guard her.

      So pick your poison but don’t cry foul when the printing press stops printing money.

    • Trump is going to lift all the superfluous business regulations, and EPA over-reach, and give parents School Choice vouchers.

      There is a God!

      • To quote Dan Akroyd: “Paul Inberea. You ignorant b*tch.” I have worked in that EPA over-reach arena for going on 30 years. If those regulations go away, you, everyone here, and all of your children are going to be drinking water with enough slow-acting poison in it to give you all cancer and all sorts of other maladies. Those regulations are there for the protection of the American people—TO SAVE LIVES. Businesses complain about them because they think your lives are less important than one extra dollar they could save. Do you honestly think Jesus would say your life is less important than one of these wealthy bastards like Trump making one less dollar because he had to meet a simple effluent standard? I am warning you people. This is my professional business just like your finance business or your carpentry business. If Trump tears down these regulations—your child dies. That is the bottom line.

      • yup.

        [just another saul alinsky tactic. ..’ridicule is man’s most potent weapon.’]

        –but believers know that ‘Truth is sharper than a two-edged sword, it penetrates even to dividing soul and spirit, joints and marrow; it judges the thoughts and attitudes of the heart.’

  11. I’ve got news for you. Christianity in the U.S. has already lost all of those things. No one outside of Christianity is the slightest bit surprised that Christians support Trump.

  12. I am voting for a President not for the pastor of my church. Since Jesus Christ isn’t on the ballot we have to decide who is the better of two sinners.

    We are not a theocracy in the USA…how is that work’in for ya there in the middle east?

    I really “REALLY” liked Jimmy Carter as a man but as a President…not so good. An interesting note about Carter. Just as the Clinton’s, Carter has a foundation. I am not one to blindly follow what the media gives us. I went to view the IRS Form 990 (free to see and publicly available). I compared the Carter foundation to the Clinton foundation. There is no doubt that Carter puts a much MUCH greater emphasis on helping people by giving money to the needy. There is a place on the Form 990 that asks to be check marked if the founders can or can not travel first class on airplanes. Carter doesn’t have a mark so—he can’t fly first class on the foundations money. Clinton — yep they can use the foundation money to fly first class.

    Clinton’s used a lot more money to throw parties and other such nonsense.

    So when you start talking about needing to be a good Christian to be President I say that you must choose your sinner — or wait for Jesus Christ.

  13. Find me a Trump policy that is well thought out and doesn’t increase the deficit by billions – and I’ll consider it. So far, the only actual policy I’ve heard was his “healthcare” proposal – save your money and pay cash for your healthcare. Everything else is either vague, (“It’ll be the greatest… the best…) or ridiculous (deport millions, build a wall Mexico will pay for) or ruinous (decrease taxes on the wealthy). So can you tell me, did you vote for these things? Or did you find policies that somehow everyone else has missed?

    • Well said. Of course, so many Trump voters are poorly educated and ill-informed and don’t look beyond the slogans and hot air that CONald spews endlessly. If he should somehow win, I have very little hope for America-or the world.

  14. You lost me on the first sentence. You views honoring HRC are so far off the mark. To view her as morally superior shows an enormous lack of research into her past and a gullibility I can’t even comprehend. Love you John but we must disagree on your thought that Hillary is the more nobel choice.

  15. I know you’ve heard a lot of times already, but we aren’t electing a pope or our religious leader. I’ll keep it simple…you seem to imply that Christians should be around people like trump but thats the very kind that Jesus attended to. Maybe this is Gods way of Changing trump to man he wants him to be. Lastly I’ll say this like I tell any Hillary supporter. If you don’t like Trump then I insist that you vote for the candidate of your choice….and don’t talk negative about my candidate. Quit trying to change people..cast your one vote and live with it…if you make me change my mind then you have voted twice.

  16. As an international observer, I’m horrified at the choice you all face. However, it appears that with Trump, ‘what you see is what you get’. Clinton, on the other hand, I suspect is more ‘I’m not sure what’s going on, but there’s something putrid brewing inside’, [think: white-washed sepulchres]. It would not surprise me if she is elected with the decision made by many people based on thoughts like, ‘it’s time for us to have our first female president’, and ‘how amazing to have the wife of a former president as our new president – she’ll already be comfortable in the White House!’. What it comes down to in the end is party politics; what Republicans stand for versus what Democrats stand for. Where are the decent alternatives?
    Will you do a follow-up piece entitled ‘7 things Christians are giving up by supporting Hillary Clinton’?

  17. I agree with the quote generally attributed to Gandhi: “I like your Christ. I do not like your Christians; they are so unlike your Christ.”

    That is far too often true, and this election is bringing out the worst in everybody, highlighting the contrasts between Christ’s teachings and the behavior of certain Christians.

  18. Well said, this is exactly the way I feel about this situation. How can they support such a person just because he calls himself a Republican and one with no morals. Most evangelical are hypocrites but believe they are the only true spokesman/woman for Christ. It always baffles me because of they high and mighty attitude. I am a Christian but calls a spade a spade.
    I believe you should have this distributed/circulated to the media. They need to be called out.

  19. Great post John.

    With Trump, I just can’t get past the issue of what he said about women, and his treatment of the 11 who have come forward.

    • Joe, you aren’t Catholic, are you?

      Do you care about what the Pope says? Do you think he maybe has a little insight into what God wants from us?

      He has spoken significantly of the importance of taking action to try to stop AGW. Whatever issues/sins you are judging Clinton by (not your job, nor can you know her heart), the policies and views of Trump will lead to many many many human deaths that would be preventable. How can you support Trump? How can you not support Clinton if you care about human lives and trust the Pope?

      I am no longer Catholic, so I don’t mind disagreeing with Church teachings. In particular, zygote abortions are diminished when women have cheap access to contraceptives. The numbers support that. Spontaneous natural abortions of zygotes after fertilization are greatly diminished in numbers with contraceptives. And numbers also show abortions go down because of fewer pregnancies. If a woman and husband don’t want to violate the Bible and not have a child because they can’t take care of it as the Bible commands, then why would you support a candidate that wants to turn that back and make abortions more common by fighting contraceptives?

      Trump’s vindictiveness is anything but turn the other cheek. Clinton is much more forgiving, as Christs asks us to be. Her sins are not your issue nor for your judgement, but her policies are clearly better for those who want fairness and opportunity and for those in need.

      BTW, if you have a small company or ever hope to have one, Trump’s giveaway to the elite wealthy (unlike Clinton that will tax them), will give your large competitors huge cash gift they will easily be able to use to put you out of business quicker by undercutting your prices faster than you can innovate your way out of… and never mind that Trump has no alternative to Obamacare for the many that will lose insurance. including even well-off families with pre-existing conditions.

      Your Trump recommendation, especially after his continual show of disrespect for women and people seeking a better life in a country even if it means being undocumented (against the law.. like speeding in traffic — also against the law, whether you get caught or not) is so unlike what Jesus asked us to be like. Clinton is the opposite and is much more respectful as are her policies. Shame on you. I do think you are fake.

  20. It’s interesting that none of the Trump supporters in these comments address the central issue of the article which is that they are ruining the reputation and witness of the Christian Church in America with this endorsement of the racist, misogynistic, porn-supporting, gambling-promoting, accused sex offender, unrepentant, and all around unChristian Donald Trump. They attack Hillary or (dumber yet) Bill Clinton; but they don’t have to vote for either of them. They support Trump and that destroys their witness. Nuff said.

  21. Where’s the job experience?? Qualifications to actually be in a position to be running for the highest office? It’s become an embarrassment. I’m honestly so disappointed that many people ignore the fact that Trump is not experienced to run our country and he has little respect for others. He truly thinks only of himself and even while televised still had to get his comments in about “HIS” money, businesses, or lack of paying taxes because he’s smart. What would happen if we all decided not to pay taxes or to not pay someone for the work they have done regardless of whether or not it lived up to our expectations? Hillary is not Bill! I’m actually shocked that people are justifying Trump’s behavior (that has been publicly witnessed) by bringing up Bill. Really?? Bill’s not even running for president. While they both have their flaws, I have yet to hear Trump express any accountability for his actions or his comments. I just about went through the roof on the whole build a wall and Mexico stuff came up. I married an hispanic and have gotten to know people of this country for over 35 yrs. I can tell you that not everyone that crosses the border is a criminal. In all honestly, although illegal and they shouldn’t do it, a majority take the risk so that they can earn money to make a better life for the families in their country. This is true of other countries as well! There’s nothing wrong with have strict regulations but when you allow someone to start promoting hate because that’s the example you set, HATE is going to run wild. What I see is Hitler in the making. A wall not to secure the borders but to keep the American’s in! Our country should be very very concerned. As a Christian, there’s no way Trump would ever get my vote simply on the fact because he does discriminate based on race, color, national origin, religion, sex, age, and disability! America is like a bowl of granola… it’s a mixture. We have a lot of different people and if you cannot treat everyone with respect and give them all equal rights then you should not be running for President!! What Christians need to remember is that God loves everyone. Not everyone is a Christian and many will never be, however we know, he loves everyone…. Even those who do not know him! Vote for someone who thinks a human being deserves to be treated like one!! William Balsam…. YES… you give up the moral high ground.

  22. What exactly do you propose, John?

    Should I support a woman who handed classified emails to consultants with no clearance? Something that’s far worse than what we court marial soldiers for?

    Should I support a woman who did not secure our secrets from an aide’s husband, a man who was a clear candidate for extortion?

    Shall I go on? The Clinton Foundation and her own husband pulling in ridiculous speaking fees from foreign nations while she was Secretary of State and running for President? Collusion to rig the Democratic primary?

    Just what do you want me to do, John? In case you haven’t noticed, we do not have an evangelical candidate. At least not one with a long history of evangelical beliefs. We frequently have not. Even that conservative paragon of virtue, Ronald Reagan, was not really an evangelical or he would not have allowed his wife to change his schedule based on his horoscope.

    As much as I would like to have a candidate who has a demonstrated track record, no hint of scandal, and enough charisma to engage the electorate, we apparently don’t have one. Much of this is due to the fact that we have not been a Christian nation for a LONG time. Several decades. I’m stunned hat you seem to think we are. I wish it was different,

    So again, John, what do you want a voter like me to do?

    p.s. I have not declared support for any candidate. But I will not vote for a candidate whose platform is abhorrent and has put our country in jeopardy just because she’s only been married to 1 man, and she doesn’t have extramarital affairs in the public record.

    I am still praying about whether to throw away my vote and allow her to be elected.

    I am shocked that you expect someone who claims to have only recently prayed to receive Christ to be biblically literate. Do I know that conversion to be real? Of course not. But I personally cannot attest to your’s, either. That is between each of us and God.

    • So far I have no leading from the Spirit to do so. And my vote is unlikely to change the outcome in my state. Trump will pass easily.

      But I’m not sure why picking between Clinton and Trump denies me any right to speak about the sanctity of marriage, proclaim the Bible is a moral authority, support protection of women, claim to be pro-life, or support family values. Again, John’s suggestion stuns me. Grieves me, in fact. But the owing away my vote or not voting at all seems to be the implication of what he’s saying.

      I already addressed the US as a Christian nation. I don’t personally think it’s my job to “police sinful behavior”. Conviction is the job of the Spirit. I’m supposed to go, teach, disciple. The only person I have a mandate to police is myself. Doesn’t mean I can’t teach what is sinful. But I am as much a sinner as Donald Trump or Hillary Clinton.

  23. As a thoroughly non-religious person who came across this post on Facebook, I can say you, Jon, are exactly correct. Evangelical Christians have surrendered whatever tattered shred of credibility they had left by supporting this vile libertine and grifter for President. You are all thoroughgoing hypocrites, and you will never, ever be able to lecture the rest of us about “family values” or a “Christian nation” ever again, because you have shown to the whole world what whited sepulchers you truly are. You don’t actually care a whit about Christ or love or goodness, only about winning. Which you won’t, becuse this man is manifestly unfit to lead. In fact, it’s time for you all to crawl back in your holes, like you did after the Scopes Monkey Trial, and leave the rest of us to clean up your mess.

  24. Joe Catholic you as well as many others fail to understand the context behind “an abortion”. Clinton is stating that a woman has a right to choose. It does not mean that any particular woman would exercise that right. Who are you or anyone else for that matter in a position to make a decision regarding someone else body! Trumps statement about a fetus being ripped out of a body during the last trimester was a scare tactic and nothing more. Any one with the least bit of intelligence would know that doctors do not perform abortions that late in a pregnancy. The only time there would be a surgery, is if there is a life threatening emergency or complication. Clinton has not been charged with anything at this point in time and has been cooperative. Trump on the other hand opens his mouth more than he should and his foot goes right in. That’s why so many are disappointed with the hatred and racism that he represents. Not sure what character you are basing your vote on. A president should care about the people of their country. Not degrade them in order to make themselves greater. Trump is not on a pedestal. Unfortunately, this is exactly how cult leaders get their followers. So so sad.

    • Interesting that you bring brains into this, as it seems one of the reasons for a late term abortion is the fetus did not grow one.

  25. I have completely lost my respect of Christians who vote and support Trump… he is truly the antithesis of all they claim to represent. This has been their test … to cave to the temptation of worldly power or to stand for the principles that Jesus advocated… their failure and hypocrisy is so complete and deplorable I do not think I will ever trust or respect them again… it’s over… say Christian and I can only see Trump’s malevolent sneer….

  26. The Lord places individuals in places of authority for His purposes. All we Christians can do is vote our convictions, and I hope you are not putting yourself in a place to judge everyone’s individual convictions? He is sovereign.

    • God may be sovereign—-but He is not a Calvinist. Y’all. Whenever you see the word “sovereign” in use with a discussion of the nature of God, you are talking to a Calvinist.

  27. Hillary, through her strong support for Planned Parenthood and comprehensive sex education in schools, will prevent a large number of unwanted pregnancies, and hence decrease the # of abortions. Conservative Christians who think “just say no” works (it doesn’t at all!) are one reason there are so many abortions. People have sex spontaneously with no birth control because they are told sex is dirty, and birth control is a sin. But guess what, hormones will usually win out over that. Hillary will prevent more abortions than Trump and the illogical Christians who think telling their kids not to have sex will actually stop them.

    • Well, we won’t save them by voting for Trump – Trump was prochoice and pro-partial birth abortion right up until the time that he decided to run on the GOP ticket – he even tried to persuade his second wife to abort his own daughter. Hillary is not a Christian and not, IMO, especially honest(and I am NOT voting for her), but at least she’s upfront about her pro-choice stance. Trump is just as prochoice as Hillary, but he’s lying about that in order to get votes, and in my book, that makes him a hypocrite straight from Hell who is even worse than Hillary Clinton.

  28. Any Christian that can vote for Hillary despite her corruption and her support for Planned Parenthood and partial birth abortion does NOT know their bible.

    This article is garbage, in my humble opinion of course.

  29. It’s a shame how much people have bought into what is mostly a lot of crap made up by others over Hillary’s 30 years of Public Service. But I know that tRump supporters won’t believe that. So it goes. There truly is no comparison between the two. Hillary will help govern our country well. tRump would turn human rights backwards, and would ruin our country.



  30. I agree with almost everything you wrote. Thanks for putting it all down in one place. What’s this you say that the fact we are a Christian nation is a myth. Whaaaaaat? I strongly disagree. If you read original sources it is clear that we are. But we agree on one thing trump is bad for the US. So is Hilary. They are corrupt and unfit for service as potus.

    • Suzanne. Archaeology and American history are my business. The United States was not founded as a Christian nation. This whole notion of a “Christian nation” is one HUGE LIE. If you have been reading the books of David Barton, you have been fed lies and inaccuracies about American history. Barton has no academic degree in American history or a related field. He is a historical revisionist, a person who specializes in replacing the real history with a false history to achieve a target goal. Barton is a Christian dominionist and an apparatus of the Republican Party in Texas. The purpose of his false history is to make ignorant Christians believe that the United States was founded as a Christian nation, that this nation was stolen away from Christians, and it is just fine for Christians to do whatever is necessary to TAKE BACK what was rightfully theirs and theirs alone. The only probably is that the United States was never theirs and theirs alone—and real American history plainly shows that.

      Watch all the lies and inaccuracies:

  31. This article in itself is laughable. An attempt to say voting for Trump is a potentially bad thing to do when no mention of Hillary’s extreme faults is noted. You might as well be saying Hillary is a Saint! She supports partial birth abortions. SHE claims a child has no Constitutional rights as long as a part of the body is still inside the mother. At which point the child of God either has it’s brain punctured or is murdered in another way. Hillary has already lied with under a sworn Oath about her emails. Hillary has made up a lie about a video causing the death of 4 Americans while selling guns to what has now become ISIS. Hillary has bashed women sexually abused by Bill.
    The way I see it is Christians can either vote for a sinner Trump or an antichrist Hillary.

  32. I wonder, Mr. Pavlovitz, are you giving up ever speaking again about Moses, (a drunk), Samson, (dated a prostitute), King David, (an adulterer and murderer), or the Apostle Paul, (participated in genocide against Christians)? The fact is, the only person without sin to have walked this earth was Jesus Christ, and he ain’t running for President. The Bible shows us that God uses even the most flawed men to His purpose. Your article’s hypocrisy is astounding.

    • Stephani…… Moses, Samson, David, and Paul made mistakes and REPENTED of them, and went on to do great things for God. Donald Trump is more like the idolatrous King Ahab, who was married to Jezebel and who never repented or changed his ways.
      But, don’t take MY word for it – just watch and see what kind of fruits he produces, whether or not he’s elected: you don’t get olives from a fig tree, nor does a grapevine bear figs.

      • Do you think Hillary has repented of her greed and corruption and will not sell us out if she’s elected?

        If she’s elected, there will be much tempting “fruit” for her to pluck.

        • Hillary is what she has always been, but Trump is pretending to be something he’s not , in order to fool Christians into voting for him; he is every bit as bad as Hillary and worse, because he pretends to be pro-choice and he is not. Anyone who votes for Trump is either apostate or decieved.

        • Hillary is what she has always been, but Trump is pretending to be something he’s not , in order to fool Christians into voting for him; he is every bit as bad as Hillary and worse, because he pretends to be pro-choice and he is not. Anyone who votes for Trump is either apostate or deceived.

  33. Joe, you don’t have to vote for EITHER of them. If you place “policy” ahead of right and wrong, you have left Jesus in order to worship n idol.

  34. Any non vote or extra party vote is a vote for Hillary, and we know what she will do to this country, so I respectfully, totally disagree with John’s position, and do it as a person been a Christian since I was 6 (I’m now 62) . If she gets she will set this nation up with the worse judicial system this country has ever seen all the way through the Supreme Court, and through her appointed judges, on ever level she possesses, she will come after us Christians and anyone else she deems “deplorable.” She will rank away all of the few rights we still possess because her heart is that of a dictator; dark, evil , and unyielding.

    Don’t be fooled, sisters and brothers, by the kind of high moral stance John is proposing to you to dissuade you from voting for the only choice we have as freedom loving American Christian, that of Donald Trump.

    My conscience is totally clear before God on this one!

    • No. She will not come after “us Christians.” Hillary Clinton will protect nonfundie Christians and the rest of the American people from Christian fundamentalists and conservative evangelicals—like you—who want to take over the U.S. Government, State Governments, and Local Governments and impose your unique fundie religious beliefs on all Americans by law and force of arms. This is not going to be allowed to happen. We have no beef with God, Jesus, and the Holy Spirit. Our beef is entirely with “you people” who are so cocksure of your righteousness while spending your days racing off to grab and embrace every lie your two-bit fundie preachers and Religious Right deceivers throw at you.

  35. This isn’t about Clinton or a trump. I can pick apart any candidate who us running, all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God. This is about so much more than the next 4 years. This is more about our Supreme Court justices than the presidency this time arround.
    Over half are in their mid to late seventies or older and there is currently an opening. To be filled. The person elected will choose the people (4-5 potentially) to set the moral legal path for this nation. Roe v Wade is one example and if our Supreme Court is overwhelmingly like minded with Hillary on abortion, immigration, parental roles, and socialism as a whole then so goes the nation. Let that sink in.

    • I have let that sink in, and it is mostly English foolishness written by a person who will believe any lie their two-bit fundie preachers and a Republican political hack on the Religious Right tells them.

      For example, do you even know what “socialism” is. Have you ever looked it up in the dictionary? Here is the standard definition in the Merriam-Webster Dictionary:


      Does the government own your doctor’s office? Does the government own the hospital in your town? Does the government own the drug companies? Does the government own the insurance companies? Hell no!!! Because of the Republican Party, they pretty much own our government right now—which is one reason your next hospital illness is going to drain your bank account dry.

      You apparently think socialism is any form of help a government provides to its people. For example, you no doubt believe that the government providing medical care to poor people is socialism—and the government ought to quit it because it is immoral and wrong. How do you support a belief like that, which flies in the face of just about everything Jesus says and does in the New Testament?

      I’ll tell you what bothers me. What bothers me are high school dropouts, people with only a high school education, college dropouts, and college graduates who barely squeaked through with a 2.0 -2.5 GPA and know nearly nothing about the world around them—and much of what they think they know is false. To me, that sounds a lot like you.

      • You’re a nasty guy, Charles. You might look up ad hominem tu quoque and stop insulting someone who gives his case for voting for the guy you don’t like. And if you think Merriam Webster encapsulates socialism in nice, neat, epistemic categories, well, then you’re more fundamentalist than you’d like to think.

  36. Denegrating remarks won’t alter facts. Both candidates are less than ideal. One is a cad and one is a criminal, but that is not the issue. The votes of some Christians are ONLY a factor of the platforms presented. Nothing more…Suggesting hypocracy is outrageous. Voting is a right of all citizens. Judging them is not a right of the Christian.

    • To be a criminal, one has to have been convicted of a crime by a Judge and/or Jury. Hillary Clinton has no such criminal record. What you are saying is an outright lie. You tell me why Christian fundamentalists and conservative evangelicals have hearts that race to embracing every lie their two-bit preachers and the Religious Right throw out to them.

  37. “Jesus has left the building” because you lot kicked Him out” there is just SO much ignorance displayed by this opinion piece it makes my head hurt from the stupid. BUT that’s the beauty of being a Christian conservative, although it pains me to watch you humiliate yourself while observing your stupendous stupidity, I believe in your right to throw it out there for the world to see.

  38. You are missing the whole point of this election. We are not voting for a perfect person. We are voting for an end to the corruption and the freedom of prayer and worship which is under attack in this country. Regarding point #1…have you heard of King David? He committed adultry, but the Lord used him to lead Israel. I heard the super pads were paying church leaders to persuade other to vote for Hillary. Just sayin’.

  39. Great summation that applies to all (regardless of “Christian” or not) who profess to follow the teachings and are attempting to walk in the spiritual ways of Christ according to His Word. I say attempting because “we all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God”; Romans 3:23. Once we know better, we should do better; speak better and set that example moving forward. We can’t half-step or ride the fence between right and wrong because one or the other suits us at a particular time. I agree Trump is biblically illiterate but so may be Hillary. At least Hillary speaks on moral terms and inclusiveness which enters the realm of love for oneself, our neighbors and our nation. “God is Love” not hate and separation; not narcissism. No one is perfect but Hillary has a moral fiber and spirit that Trump has never had or shown. I dare Trump supporters to search deep in their hearts; dig the depths of their souls; ask God to give them revelation and guidance; give them a spirit of love, compassion and humanity. Ask God to “order your steps and hands”.in His Will. As Oprah said, “You don’t have to like Hillary”, she is not coming to my house or yours for dinner. We must cast our vote for our future and more importantly for our future generation. Who do we want them to “model their behavior and beliefs after”. Again, none of us are perfect but we can strive to be better; a better person; a better people united in love, faith, trust, and our humanity. We have 2 days left (if we have not done it yet) to seek God to order our steps in our voting decision. Don’t base or cast your vote for who you like or dislike. Base your vote on the spirit of God’s direction. If you were kneeling at God’s feet how would he speak to our heart? Ask him to order your steps. I dare you…. I double dare you. With a spirit of praise in my heart, and a spirit of acceptance to receive His direction, I know he has never guided me wrong. Matthew 7:7-8 (KJV) “7 Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you: 8 For every one that asketh receiveth; and he that seeketh findeth; and to him that knocketh it shall be opened.

  40. If not the anti-Christ, she is at least the anti-Midas, with awful judgment, even before her jellified brain wasn’t leaking.

    Hillary’s ethics are on par with a used-car hawker, & she’d be prime for extortion for our enemies to whom she handed our nation’s top most secrets.

    How can we elect a woman who has a withered husk of a face & a voice like fingernails scraping chalkboard? Who wants to wake up to THAT for 4 years? The old cow needs to be put out to pasture.

    Washington, Franklin, Adams, & later Lincoln. God didn’t put such genius at US’s inception so a blood-curdling lib screecher could ruin it. Hearing the sound of chronic PMS out her munch-hole will give me ear cancer. Tom Jefferson didn’t write a Declaration of Diversity, he wrote, with awesome handwriting btw, a Declaration of Independence.

    Sadly, I’ve learned the US is populated by lazy brains & dumbed-down sheeple, many who can’t even name our opponent in the Revolutionary War even after given the clue Paul Revere once rode, shouting, ‘The British are coming!’

    I’m afraid these people are about to put HRC in the White House. Oh the tears in Heaven streaming down the cheeks of the Founders watching the demise of America from on high.

  41. WOW! Unbelievable!!! Stuff that needs to be said or I just want to spout off my opinion? I’m curious as to who you will vote for? With you being a pastor, you should know that God is on His throne! Nothing and nobody …not one person in the White House can change that. If you look at the political platforms and find out what lines up closest with God’s word, you will find that neither are a perfect match but I would rather vote for a candidate that will defend our constitutional rights, stands up against abortions or at least doesn’t say, “Heck yeah, I’ll pass a law that says it’s OK to kill babies in their last trimester as they’re coming out of the womb.” (and don’t even get me started on incest and rape and the health in the life of babies because only 2% of all abortions make up that category.) Sanctity of marriage? Really??? I would rather vote for someone who’s been divorced three times then for someone who says it’s OK for guy/lesbian marriage. Biblically illiterate ? I would rather vote for someone who is biblically illiterate then to vote for someone who says that they’re a Christian and go against dang near every statute in the Bible.
    And to state that our nation was not founded on Christian values from the beginning is ludicrous . I’m not a gullible Christian nor an ignorant one. I’ve done my research …lots of it. And the fact that you think you can just state that this is untrue without having any foundation just blows my mind. Yes, the Bible does say you’ll know them by their fruit. I would much rather pull from the fruit of Trump then of Clinton. The real foundation that people should be looking at is not the who for President, it’s the what. What do they stand for? What do they believe? How will they serve we the people? We need someone back in our White House that loves our country. And the sad thing about it is, I have seen a major humbling and Trump. Hillary Clinton has absolutely no humility, she takes God out of everything, she believes in murdering babies and one thing that you’ve missed that is huge …. she will not support Israel! So, if my choice is either Trump or Hillary, I promise you it will be Trump every time! And NOT voting ….is just voting without action. Not voting for Trump is a vote for Clinton. Like I’ve said before, you swallow horse and gag at a gnat!

    • You said: “I’m not a gullible Christian nor an ignorant one. I’ve done my research …lots of it. And the fact that you think you can just state that this is untrue without having any foundation just blows my mind.”

      You are indeed gullible and ignorant, especially if you have been reading the works of shady historical revisionist David Barton. Call any professionally trained Professor of History at a major state-funded university, and you will get an earful about how the United States WAS NOT founded as a Christian nation.

      I work in the areas of archaeology and history, and the recent fundie notion of a “Christian nation” is nothing more than a pack of LIES designed to fool ignorant fundies into jumping onto the dominionist bandwagon.

      Some say the Pilgrims came here to found a Christian nation. Not so. They were religious refugees from a foreign land looking for a place to practice their faith in peace. Fundies who are ignorant of American history do not realize that the Pilgrims WERE NOT the first Europeans on what would later become American soil. The Spanish were the first. Desoto and Coranado did not come for God. They came in search of Native American wealth they could steal to make themselves and the Spanish king rich. The Mississippian Indians in the American Southeast had another idea. Desoto and his men would have the honor of being the first white men to wear Arrow Shirts—and they were. You are probably also not aware that the Roanoke colonists in North Carolina and the Jamestown colonists in Virginia were here BEFORE the Pilgrims. They did not come for God. Historical records plainly show that they came here for riches and the potential for riches. The first Jamestown colony was a bust. The second, still before the Pilgrims, was successful and became the basis for the American tobacco industry via colonist John Rolfe. The United States was not founded on God. It was founded on the lust of human flesh for worldly wealth and on fleshly drug addiction, specifically to fuel the nicotine addiction of Great Britain. Those are the bare historical facts. So you can now remove your head from David Barton’s hind end and learn some real American history.

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  43. Your shilling for Hillary is transparent. Dang. I’m not voting for either candidate, but this is pathetic. Basically your calculus is a criminal over a creep. That you don’t really understand the concept of scriptural inerrancy is on display too. Drop the linberal tropes. Become a thinker, not just a blogger.

  44. you know Trump starts his fraud and racketeering trials in late november, right? Targeted elderly and poor for rip offs? what will you say if he is found liable. what should the country do with someone convicted of such corruption, especially if a sitting or elected president.

  45. In my opinion all who support the male shovinistic , only out for himself, woman hater, and all around bad for America canidate Trump need to look at the facts again. Because you think that he is going to run this country like the business man that he is. Well yes he will do that but you have to look at the facts he lied cheated and flat out stole just about every penny that he suposivly made. By one not paying his debts, and two paying his workers little to nothing and not careing if they were in a good place to support their families. And look up how many times that man has filed for dankrupsy. How can someone who is a milionaire not have the money to pay off his debts? Trump keeps saying lets make America Great Again. And in doing so he tries to allign himself with a great past president, president Regan. In my opinion he is defilieing his memory for his own self centered reasons.
    Now that I have said that and really made most of the men mad, let me make the women mad as well. I am a woman but do I agree with everything that Hillary is standing for? No I don’t . But I agree with more of her politics than I do with Trumps. One big one that I agree with is her stance on education, and how she has stood with those who have disabilities wheather it is physical, emotional, or mental. And that they have a right to an education, and as one of the afore mentioned. I really am in favor of her stance in this issue, because lets face it I would not have been able to recieve the education that I have with out someone standing up for my rights to learn. More to the point I would not be sitting where I am today with out my education, and I am working on recieving my batchelors of science degree in Middle school education for Social studies and english. So as you can see I don’t really like all of her political choices, but I at least have a foot to stand on due to the education that I have and that would not have been possible if people like Hillary didn’t feel the need to make things right for those like me. Would Trump have even cared about education and making it available to those who have disabilities? No he is totally against all those with disabilities and those who don’t share his skin color or sex.
    Rant over. Do America a favor and do some research before you vote tomarrow. Because it will be on your sholders if you make a choice and it turns out for the worst. That is what everyone has to relise when they are taking their turn to do their duty and right tomarrow.

  46. This article basically confirmed what I believed about this election. As a Believer, a follower of Jesus Christ, I can not, in good conscience, compromise under any circumstances. No one is perfect; however our goal should be to strive for perfection through Jesus. The “your sin is bigger than my sin” war between these two candidates coupled with the growing support for Trump by professed Christians just shows how “out of shape” the Body of Christ is.

  47. This is so full of itself it is incredable. Shaming those that are christian into doing the devils work for him. Nothing in this article is honest and true. As if satan himself is dictating!

  48. I really love these comments. Know why? I’m not a Christian. I’m not just an atheist, either. I’m anti-Christian. I’m anti-religion. If you look through history, in many cases you’ll find that life was better for many people before today’s major religions took hold. Belief systems like Christianity allow people to don a mantle of goodness and hide whatever they want underneath. So I LOVE seeing all of you squabble away like this. I’m ready for my generation and the ones to come to have done with this hypocritical idiotic sky-fairy cult once and for all. So go right ahead and keep tearing one another apart.

    • Christians may not agree most of the time but go out and study a bible for more than two or even three days and then and only then should you judge us true Christians. I will be praying for you that God should open your eyes to the truth.

  49. This article is pretty interesting. I do not think that Christians give up anything by voting for Trump. This article points out a lot of valid issues but seems highly biased towards Trump and also seems unchristian like in its nature.

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  51. I am a Christian who voted for one of the other candidates (neither Trump or Clinton ). Having said that, in fairness, I have to point out that it wasn’t only Christians who voted for Trump, but people of many different faiths (and likely some who profess no faith at all). Knowing this, it seems sensible to take religion out of the discussion and focus on the reasons. Talking to Trump supporters, some of the main reasons I have heard behind their support seem to be less a vote for him than a vote against Hillary. It was felt that any other way would assure she got into office, and that had to be stopped at all costs. There was a fringe element of racists and extremists that fell in behind Trump, but to equate them with mainstream Christianity is like equating mainstream Muslims with their extreme factions. Let’s not throw the baby out with the bathwater, but hold religious faith (whatever form that may take) separately from those of us imperfect people who try to learn as we practice it.

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  53. Evangelicals may be CHRISTIANS, but certainly are not RELIGIOUS, as defined in James 1:27–the ONLY place in the Bible where “religion” is defined!

  54. Drivel, about every word. How little you know of the faith, or how far you have fallen from it. I pray you return – like the prodigal, while there is yet time.

  55. Why are most of you still yammering on about things that are in the past, and cannot be changed?? Please, get a life, and focus on the present and the future. If you still support 45, that is your right, but know that many do not have much respect for you. 45, his cronies, and Congress (who, btw, are loving the fact you all are still fighting about the election to pay attention to what shenanigans they’ve been up to – educate yourselves at congress.gov) are on the verge of ruining this country by polluting the air we breathe, the water we drink, raping and pillaging national parks, dumbing down the population by providing sub-par schooling, etc., etc., etc.

  56. I cannot tell you how much I enjoy your posts. But, I have to tell you, the flashing ads at the bottom of screen and on the sides of your blog are not only distracting, but almost make feel ill. Ads are fine by me, but flashing ones?!

  57. IF you are going to SPOUT off Christian Morals and become so haughty… He IS our president and you should maybe review the first couple of verses in Romans 13.

    Until next election…..

  58. People said they believed Trump was a Christian because he said he was, and that is why they voted for him. Has anything he has done so far remotely resembled Christianity? I think not. You will be a Christian by your actions.

  59. Wow, everyone. Listen to us! Actions speak louder than words! The points made in this blog are sad…and true. Neither Trump nor Clinton deserved the presidency, or were good candidates for leading this country. We ALL should have said…it’s over! In fact, the partisan fighting and grandstanding in Congress leading to at least 4 years of not getting important things done (like judges put in place more than a year out from the election) for this country should be unacceptable to all of us as well. We all work for a living, Congress should to. Both Bernie (D) and Kasich (R) were (and are) quality, honest individuals who would have made great leaders and were people those who profess Christian values we all could support…even if we didn’t support all their positions. That’s what Congress is for, to balance it all out for The People. For a ‘religious’ person, of any faith, to support this person, with his ‘locker room talk’ and abuse of business laws, not paying small businesses for work done by declaring bankruptcy, over and over again, no less, should be more than enough to demonstrate he is not qualified to represent us or lead us, as he does not represent the morals of this country, but rather practices greed and narcissism. His words and action deny all the things we supposedly learned in Kindergarten (much less bible classes). For those who “didn’t vote for him to be a ‘pastor,’ but President, I ask you, shouldn’t our President practice “Do unto others” decisions, rather than WIN-LOSE? Taking advantage of other countries, throwing them out if they don’t let us win every time, will not stand us in good stead in the future. GAIN-GAIN is a much better philosophy for lving together on this planet. It’s time to realize the mistake we made and tell the world this man DOES NOT represent the American heart and culture. If he does, we are not in good shape for the future, whether ‘a believer’…or not. How do we spell “hypocrite” people?

  60. Thanks for this column. It’s true. I’ve heard people at churches talking, seen what they say and do, and they’ve lost moral credibility. It’s the sad and deserved truth.

    No longer are they “going against the world” or acting as a “light on a hill.” They *are* the world and they’re calling it Christianity. I make no pretense to being good or being saved myself; I’m very well aware of my many faults, sins, and foibles. I still have eyes, and that misrepresentation of Christ and Christianity is going to hurt badly on the day of judgment, for those who believe in such.

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