White Privilege, White Fragility, White House

Let’s be honest here: our President is not a well man.

To most objective observers this isn’t really up for debate anymore. His frenetic impulsiveness, his propensity toward violent outbursts, his elementary school vocabulary, his nonsensical Twitter rants, his allergic reaction to the truth, his public bullying of judges and FBI staff. If Donald Trump were operating in any other arena—business, education, local government, he’d be called unfit for his position and either fired, arrested, or declared mentally unsound.

But despite mounting evidence of collusion with Russia, and despite a steady stream of irrational Executive Orders, unceremonious firings, nonsensical Tweets, and staggering abuses of power—here he sits.

But that’s not the problem we have here in America.

The problem we have, is that it’s becoming more and more clear that none of this matters to a large percentage of white people, who are determined to make this President their noble Moses; the one who will lead them out of the imagined captivity they’d been in for the past 8 years, and on to the Promised Land of their past greatness.

“You’ll suffer now, just like we suffered under Obama!” they say to people of color, or quietly believe now. Whether the former was true or not, is neither here nor there. The fact of the matter is that they believe it—and this is why they are silent now: they are finally feeling spoken for.

This is the seductive snake oil Donald Trump sold them as he barnstormed the nation last year, appealing to every bit of frustration and fear and perceived oppression felt by white folks who always had a problem with a black President, who believed themselves persecuted for their faith, and who’d been convinced that they were actually the marginalized ones in the nation made to order for them.

It’s why this President is the Great White Hope they’ve been waiting for, because he has a similar gift: to have the deck stacked fully in his favor, to have been the recipient of every advantage the system offers, to be the beneficiary of every shortcut imaginable—and to still see himself as the victim, to still feel attacked. It is this paradoxical notion of the entitled underdog, that Trump has exploited, with a great deal of help from a White Church who’ve owned religion in America for decades—and yet still imagine themselves as persecuted while holding the bully pulpit. They’ve been cruel Goliath to the world, but see little David in the mirror.

And this is the greatest irony of this moment; that to so many white people in America, Donald Trump somehow represents a healthy change from the status quo, a victory for the downtrodden, an advocate for the little guy, (though he is in reality, none of those things.) He is not at all for them, but they seem defiant in not admitting this, intentionally ignoring what their eyes see. Despite the fact that his policies regarding healthcare, education, taxes, and the environment will leave them more vulnerable than ever—they are applauding him for saving them.

For the past few months I, like others, have been pleading for disappointed Trump voters to stand with the tens of million of us who comprise a multiethnic, nonpartisan, multigenerational, interfaith resistance to this Administration. They have largely been invisible. And though some of them have withdrawn from the conversation out of embarrassment over their choice in November, or grown fatigued at being called bigots and racists and homophobes—the lion’s share of the President’s Evangelical, white base is perfectly fine with the world burning. To them, the actual details of Trump’s tenure; any election corruption or unconstitutional political maneuvers, any gross incompetence, or any of his actual words or actions—are all rather inconsequential. He is a symbol, and his substance is of little concern.

He makes them feel like they are getting something back that they’ve lost (regardless of the fact that they’ve never lost it), he makes them feel like they count again (even though they’ve always counted.) For them, Donald Trump is a big, white middle finger to the world they’ve grown to believe has oppressed them—which is of course, the height of privilege; to see any movement toward justice as a personal attack. As beneficiaries of every perk and advantage, the past 8 year’s tipping toward balance has felt like a threat, and though these days are a rapid regression of equality and diversity in America, they’re willfully oblivious to it all. It all feels good.

And honestly I’m not sure there is anything anyone can do or say to change their minds. Facts, data, and objective information are no match for their chosen narrative of an endangered minority, fighting to emancipate themselves from the persecution they’ve been trapped in.

White lives matter. This is what Donald Trump means to them. The fact that white live have always mattered the most in this country is a minor detail. That they have been the power holders since the birth of this nation is unimportant. Despite every privilege and perk of America—they’ve managed to feel held down.

And this is why we have so far to go, to reach the Promised Land that Martin Luther King Jr. said he could see off in the distance—one where all men and women, regardless of the color of their skin or their faith tradition, have equal freedom here.

It’s still a long way off.

 

 

 

381 thoughts on “White Privilege, White Fragility, White House

  1. This is not my favorite post from JP but it unfortunately rings true to a certain extent. My neighbors have bigoted views except with neighbors of other races. It is as if their bigotry is erased only if they personally know someone from a different group and only to that person. Do you see the same behavior?

    • John,

      I do hope that you don’t have a heart attack with your anger towards Trump. I voted for him. I’m not disappointed with him. Perhaps I’m myopically challenged, but so far I haven’t seen him doing anything that hurts this country any more than I saw President Obama do. In president Obama, I saw a narcissist racist, that quite frankly bothered me as much as Trump does you. However, I didn’t obsess about it. Perhaps you should seek the God that is, rather than the God you want.

      • Greg Smith wrote “Perhaps I’m myopically challenged, ”

        Yes, you are. You also demonstrate that you need to read all of John P’s blog and read, mark, learn, and inwardly digest them. You are evidence that John is 100% in his analysis.

              • I sincerely wish Hillary’s loss were my primary concern. I am saddened for my friends who may be deported, and for my friends who are being bullied because their skin is not pink or beige, and therefore are thought to look suspicious.

                • I doubt Loyd P cares. At least he hasn’t made any comment that speaks to me about caring. Now that is sad.

              • Lloyd p, evidently you can’t read. This post has NOTHING to do with Hillary winning or losing.

                It is about the catastrophic things that the GOP are doing.

                Maybe you don’t care that they will take steps to ensure the earth will cease to be able to support life, but most of us in the world are appalled at the sheer irresponsibility and callous disreagard for science.

                Maybe you are the kind of person who wants WW3 with nuclear weapons. Most of us in the world are sane enough to know that would be a veery bad idea.

                I could go on and on.

                One way to persist in resistance is my FB group, Gloriamarie’s Progressive Stuff, where I post actions, petitions, info, actual news, evidence, facts. There’s a pinned post that I highly recommend people read. I also ask a screening question so I can keep the spammers and the trolls out. All who read this are invited.

                https://www.facebook.com/groups/gloriamariesprogressivepetitions/

              • Um, no. She didn’t lose. Were you sleeping through all the findings of Russian interference in this election? Did you miss the entire 5 billion reports about the popular vote that Hilary won? You’re building your silly argument on a falsehood. Which makes sense. But, no, Hilary WON and the election was STOLEN from her. Was she a crappy opponent? Probably, yeah. Was she the best the Dems could put forward? No. But she was still head and tails above this mentally ill imbecile you keep endorsing with your tired old lines. Y’all cried like babies, and acted shameless the entire time President Obama was in office. If Pres Obama had even ONE day like Trump has every single day, y’all would have moved to lynch him. Instead, y’all treated him and his family like garbage. Blocked every initiative he attempted to move thru, and since he’s gone all your Clown in Chief has done is seek to destroy everything he did. So save your tired old “Get over it” drivel. You sound like Duck Dynasty when you say these things. Last thing: I (we) don’t like it. And we ain’t leaving. YOU’RE leaving. You’re a dinasour. A dying breed. Your days of dominance in this country are over. So if you don’t wanna leave, you should clam up and get humble. Or keep shooting off your mouth, it makes no difference. The White Supremecist Oligarchy is coming down like those monuments in New Orleans. Get used to it, dude.

                • I love your comment. When former President Obama was in office the people cried, whined, and went as far as found trees with his name on it to lynch him. So blind and ignorant that they did see that he was working in their favor. Now this “thing” that we have in office is destroying everything that the former President has done for them. Also, the people are so stupid that they don’t have a clue that the Obamacare is the ACA.

              • Hillary’s electoral college loss is actually the smallest problem facing us. The larger problem is that 45 is a unabashed liar, completely unqualified by experience and temperament, clearly in over his head, an embarrassment of ignorance, has decided his son-in-law who, amazingly enough, is actually LESS qualified is going to be the secretary of everything. Oh, and his ex-model daughter sits in on light cabinet meetings. and Congress, who had EIGHT years to come up with a better health plan had decided that hey, let’s just screw over 20 million people because being petty is far more important than their health. (This is guy who suckered you into thinking he was going to drain the swamp) You should be scared to death and the fact that you’re not is the most frightening thing of all. It’s 1936 all over again.

              • In this country, when a mistake has been made, we don’t just ‘get over it’, else we’d still have slavery and the South would have won. When things are messed up in this country, we work to fix them. To paraphrase, “My country, right or wrong. When right, to be kept right. When wrong, to be put right. It’s certainly not patriotic to leave your country in time of need and everyone needs to work for what they think is best for our country, not just knuckle under to someone calling them names and making fun of them.

              • Hey Lloyd; We are not going anywhere!
                This our country as well as your country. We are not sore losers. We just don’t want our country Just don’t want our country taken over by a fascist government. How soon we forgot about an innocent girl dying in Charlottesville. She died because a white supremacist killed her with his car. So don’t tell me to leave my country. This is our country and we will fight and we Will resist. Thank you John and keep on blogging

              • Most of us are far and away over the fact that Hillary lost. Some like myself weren’t supporters of hers to begin with and think independently and not blindly along party lines. It’s an ignorant and short sighted comment to state to anyone concerned about the current state of our country and lack of leadership to “get over it or leave.” Instead, you might be wise to open your eyes and examine what is being done and said by this president in the broader context of history–US and world–and realize the unprecedented threat we face internally. If DJT had run on the Democratic ticket, I know I would be speaking out all the same and I have faith other Dems would too. This is NOT a partisan issue. This is a crisis unlike we’ve ever known for our country and we must correct it. It is our duty for love of our country and what America stands for.

      • Greg – Would you give me 2 or 3 specific examples of Obama being a narcissistic racist? I am trying to understand your comment.

      • Of course Greg voted for Trump and thinks Obama is racist. That’s not a shock. Nothing is shocking anymore. Folks like Greg and right, everyone else is wrong. Only Greg has talked to God and knows the TRUE God.

        • Billy, you made me chuckle, but what you say is so true. By the way thanks for everyone who answered Greg Smith, I couldn’t it just wears me out that people can be that willfully blind. Peace,

      • from: When Trump Voters Say They “Suffered For 8 Years Under Obama,” Here’s The Perfect Response.

        One of many, many infuriating parts of having Trump as the President is the insufferable smugness of conservatives. When they’re not telling you to “suck it up, snowflake” or trying to sell you fake news, they’re gloating: “We suffered for eight years under that tyrant Obummer. Now it’s your turn.”
        One man, Scott Mednick had enough with his Republican acquaintances and penned this powerful response:
        “I am surprised you would wish suffering upon me. That, of course, is your right, I suppose. I do not wish harm on anyone. Your statement seems to continue the ‘US v THEM’ mentality. The election is over. It is important to get past campaigning and campaign rhetoric and get down to what is uniting, not dividing and what is best for ALL Americans.
        There will never be a President who does everything to everyone’s liking. There are things President Obama (and President Clinton) did that I do not like and conversely there are things I can point to that the Presidents Bush did that I agree with. So I am not 100% in lock step with the outgoing President but have supported him and the overall job he did.
        And, if you recall, during the Presidential Campaign back in 2008 the campaign was halted because of the “historic crisis in our financial system.” Wall Street bailout negotiations intervened in the election process. The very sobering reality was that there likely could be a Depression and the world financial markets could collapse. The United States was losing 800,000 jobs a month and was poised to lose at least 10 million jobs the first year once the new President took office. We were in an economic freefall. So let us recall that ALL of America was suffering terribly at the beginning of Obama’s Presidency.
        But I wanted to look back over the last 8 years and ask you a few questions. Since much of the rhetoric before Obama was elected was that he would impose Sharia Law, Take Away Your Guns, Create Death Panels, Destroy the Economy, Impose Socialism and, since you will agree that NONE of this came to pass, I was wondering: Why have you suffered so?
        So let me ask: Gays and Lesbians can now marry and enjoy the benefits they had been deprived of. Has this caused your suffering?
        When Obama took office, the Dow was 6,626. Now it is 19,875. Has this caused your suffering?
        We had 82 straight months of private sector job growth – the longest streak in the history of the United States. Has this caused your suffering?
        Especially considering where the economy was when he took over, an amazing 11.3 million new jobs were created under President Obama (far more than President Bush). Has this caused your suffering?
        Obama has taken Unemployment from 10% down to 4.7%. Has this caused your suffering?
        Homelessness among US Veterans has dropped by half. Has this caused your suffering?
        Obama shut down the US secret overseas prisons. Has this caused your suffering?
        President Obama has created a policy for the families of fallen soldiers to have their travel paid for to be there when remains are flown home. Has this caused your suffering?
        We landed a rover on Mars. Has this caused your suffering?
        He passed the Matthew Shepard Hate Crimes Prevention Act. Has this caused your suffering?
        Uninsured adults has decreased to below 10%: 90% of adults are insured – an increase of 20 Million Adults. Has this caused your suffering?
        People are now covered for pre-existing conditions. Has this caused your suffering?
        Insurance Premiums increased an average of $4,677 from 2002-2008, an increase of 58% under Bush. The growth of these insurance premiums has gone up $4,145 – a slower rate of increase. Has this caused your suffering?
        Obama added Billions of dollars to mental health care for our Veterans. Has this caused your suffering?
        Consumer confidence has gone from 37.7 to 98.1 during Obama’s tenure. Has this caused your suffering?
        He passed the Lilly Ledbetter Fair Pay Act. Has this caused your suffering?
        His bi-annual Nuclear Summit convinced 16 countries to give up and destroy all their loose nuclear material so it could not be stolen. Has this caused your suffering?
        He saved the US Auto industry. American cars sold at the beginning of his term were 10.4M and upon his exit 17.5M. Has this caused your suffering?
        The deficit as a percentage of the GDP has gone from 9.8% to 3.2%. Has this caused your suffering?
        The deficit itself was cut by $800 Billion Dollars. Has this caused your suffering?
        Obama preserved the middle class tax cuts. Has this caused your suffering?
        Obama banned solitary confinement for juveniles in federal prisons. Has this caused your suffering?
        He signed Credit Card reform so that rates could not be raised without you being notified. Has this caused your suffering?
        He outlawed Government contractors from discriminating against LGBT persons. Has this caused your suffering?
        He doubled Pell Grants. Has this caused your suffering?
        Abortion is down. Has this caused your suffering?
        Violent crime is down. Has this caused your suffering?
        He overturned the scientific ban on stem cell research. Has this caused your suffering?
        He protected Net Neutrality. Has this caused your suffering?
        Obamacare has extended the life of the Medicare insurance trust fund (will be solvent until 2030). Has this caused your suffering?
        President Obama repealed Don’t Ask Don’t Tell. Has this caused your suffering?
        He banned torture. Has this caused your suffering?
        He negotiated with Syria to give up its chemical weapons and they were destroyed. Has this caused your suffering?
        Solar and Wind Power are at an all time high. Has this caused your suffering?
        High School Graduation rates hit 83% – an all time high. Has this caused your suffering?
        Corporate profits are up by 144%. Has this caused your suffering?
        He normalized relations with Cuba. Has this caused your suffering?
        Reliance on foreign oil is at a 40 year low. Has this caused your suffering?
        US Exports are up 28%. Has this caused your suffering?
        He appointed the most diverse cabinet ever. Has this caused your suffering?
        He reduced the number of troops in both Iraq and Afghanistan. Has this caused your suffering?
        Yes, he killed Osama Bin Laden and retrieved all the documents in his possession for analysis. Perhaps THIS caused your suffering?
        From an objective standpoint it would appear that the last eight years have seen some great progress and we were saved from a financial collapse. Things are not perfect. Things can always be better. We are on much better footing now than we were in 2008.
        I look forward to understanding what caused you to suffer so much under Obama these last eight years.”
        This article by appeared by Natalie Dickinson in Occupy Democrats on February 22, 2017. I love it. Do you? Copy & paste to share. I hope you will.

        • Everything that George Bush started Odama contiued.Obama was GB 4.0. You like being spyed on and having your money forced out your hand by Obama care. He hurt the working poor you were screwed in many states believe me I know.Let’s talk of all the brown peaple that he killed over seas in the name of protecting the usa. WOW What a great libtart. I like this self hate for being white he brings up. Sorry there’s no white privledge.we all have are own problems grab a helmet and get to work.

          • The only thing sadder than you believing all that would be if you convinced anyone else it was true. I think my favorite falsehoods were “money forced out of your hand by Obamacare” & ‘there’s no white privilege”. But then again, with the made-up word “libtart”, you expose yourself more fully than I ever could.

        • Lol fake news how about all the fake lies they said about trump and I don’t like trump but there is more fake news about white people being racist than what white people actually are

          • Again, a lamentable lack of punctuation.

            Interestingly enough that is one of the tricky things when translating the Greek texts of the NT, no punctuation.

          • What? ….you can be racist and unaware that you are.
            If you believe T is a good choice…then, it makes no difference to me if you’re racist or not…because clearly you’re stupid.
            And, your stupity and false pride with hurt you. 🙁

      • from: When Trump Voters Say They “Suffered For 8 Years Under Obama”

        One of many, many infuriating parts of having Trump as the President is the insufferable smugness of conservatives. When they’re not telling you to “suck it up, snowflake” or trying to sell you fake news, they’re gloating: “We suffered for eight years under that tyrant Obummer. Now it’s your turn.”
        One man, Scott Mednick had enough with his Republican acquaintances and penned this powerful response:
        “I am surprised you would wish suffering upon me. That, of course, is your right, I suppose. I do not wish harm on anyone. Your statement seems to continue the ‘US v THEM’ mentality. The election is over. It is important to get past campaigning and campaign rhetoric and get down to what is uniting, not dividing and what is best for ALL Americans.
        There will never be a President who does everything to everyone’s liking. There are things President Obama (and President Clinton) did that I do not like and conversely there are things I can point to that the Presidents Bush did that I agree with. So I am not 100% in lock step with the outgoing President but have supported him and the overall job he did.
        And, if you recall, during the Presidential Campaign back in 2008 the campaign was halted because of the “historic crisis in our financial system.” Wall Street bailout negotiations intervened in the election process. The very sobering reality was that there likely could be a Depression and the world financial markets could collapse. The United States was losing 800,000 jobs a month and was poised to lose at least 10 million jobs the first year once the new President took office. We were in an economic freefall. So let us recall that ALL of America was suffering terribly at the beginning of Obama’s Presidency.
        But I wanted to look back over the last 8 years and ask you a few questions. Since much of the rhetoric before Obama was elected was that he would impose Sharia Law, Take Away Your Guns, Create Death Panels, Destroy the Economy, Impose Socialism and, since you will agree that NONE of this came to pass, I was wondering: Why have you suffered so?
        So let me ask: Gays and Lesbians can now marry and enjoy the benefits they had been deprived of. Has this caused your suffering?
        When Obama took office, the Dow was 6,626. Now it is 19,875. Has this caused your suffering?
        We had 82 straight months of private sector job growth – the longest streak in the history of the United States. Has this caused your suffering?
        Especially considering where the economy was when he took over, an amazing 11.3 million new jobs were created under President Obama (far more than President Bush). Has this caused your suffering?
        Obama has taken Unemployment from 10% down to 4.7%. Has this caused your suffering?
        Homelessness among US Veterans has dropped by half. Has this caused your suffering?
        Obama shut down the US secret overseas prisons. Has this caused your suffering?
        President Obama has created a policy for the families of fallen soldiers to have their travel paid for to be there when remains are flown home. Has this caused your suffering?
        We landed a rover on Mars. Has this caused your suffering?
        He passed the Matthew Shepard Hate Crimes Prevention Act. Has this caused your suffering?
        Uninsured adults has decreased to below 10%: 90% of adults are insured – an increase of 20 Million Adults. Has this caused your suffering?
        People are now covered for pre-existing conditions. Has this caused your suffering?
        Insurance Premiums increased an average of $4,677 from 2002-2008, an increase of 58% under Bush. The growth of these insurance premiums has gone up $4,145 – a slower rate of increase. Has this caused your suffering?
        Obama added Billions of dollars to mental health care for our Veterans. Has this caused your suffering?
        Consumer confidence has gone from 37.7 to 98.1 during Obama’s tenure. Has this caused your suffering?
        He passed the Lilly Ledbetter Fair Pay Act. Has this caused your suffering?
        His bi-annual Nuclear Summit convinced 16 countries to give up and destroy all their loose nuclear material so it could not be stolen. Has this caused your suffering?
        He saved the US Auto industry. American cars sold at the beginning of his term were 10.4M and upon his exit 17.5M. Has this caused your suffering?
        The deficit as a percentage of the GDP has gone from 9.8% to 3.2%. Has this caused your suffering?
        The deficit itself was cut by $800 Billion Dollars. Has this caused your suffering?
        Obama preserved the middle class tax cuts. Has this caused your suffering?
        Obama banned solitary confinement for juveniles in federal prisons. Has this caused your suffering?
        He signed Credit Card reform so that rates could not be raised without you being notified. Has this caused your suffering?
        He outlawed Government contractors from discriminating against LGBT persons. Has this caused your suffering?
        He doubled Pell Grants. Has this caused your suffering?
        Abortion is down. Has this caused your suffering?
        Violent crime is down. Has this caused your suffering?
        He overturned the scientific ban on stem cell research. Has this caused your suffering?
        He protected Net Neutrality. Has this caused your suffering?
        Obamacare has extended the life of the Medicare insurance trust fund (will be solvent until 2030). Has this caused your suffering?
        President Obama repealed Don’t Ask Don’t Tell. Has this caused your suffering?
        He banned torture. Has this caused your suffering?
        He negotiated with Syria to give up its chemical weapons and they were destroyed. Has this caused your suffering?
        Solar and Wind Power are at an all time high. Has this caused your suffering?
        High School Graduation rates hit 83% – an all time high. Has this caused your suffering?
        Corporate profits are up by 144%. Has this caused your suffering?
        He normalized relations with Cuba. Has this caused your suffering?
        Reliance on foreign oil is at a 40 year low. Has this caused your suffering?
        US Exports are up 28%. Has this caused your suffering?
        He appointed the most diverse cabinet ever. Has this caused your suffering?
        He reduced the number of troops in both Iraq and Afghanistan. Has this caused your suffering?
        Yes, he killed Osama Bin Laden and retrieved all the documents in his possession for analysis. Perhaps THIS caused your suffering?
        From an objective standpoint it would appear that the last eight years have seen some great progress and we were saved from a financial collapse. Things are not perfect. Things can always be better. We are on much better footing now than we were in 2008.
        I look forward to understanding what caused you to suffer so much under Obama these last eight years.”
        This article by appeared by Natalie Dickinson in Occupy Democrats on February 22, 2017. I love it. Do you? Copy & paste to share. I hope you will.

        • He drew a line in the sand, but when it was crossed he did nothing. This alone has caused the suffering of untold millions, though admittedly few of them were in the US.

          People may say that conflicts overseas are not the business of the US, that we shouldn’t be the world’s police. Fine, that would be nice, but we have played that role since Truman’s presidency (and arguably earlier). Ever since WWII the US has been deeply involved in global affairs, and it isn’t practical for us to pull out and suddenly adopt an isolationist policy.

          Obama did some good things during his presidency, but his refusal to intervene in Syria has resulted in a devastation that will take years to rectify. Much could have been prevented.

          In the words of Elie Wiesel (a Jewish prisoner during the Holocaust): “We must take sides. Neutrality helps the oppressor, never the victim. Silence encourages the tormentor, never the tormented. Sometimes we must interfere. When human lives are endangered, when human dignity is in jeopardy, national borders and sensitivities become irrelevant. Wherever men and women are persecuted because of their race, religion, or political views, that place must – at that moment – become the center of the universe.”

      • “Perhaps I’m myopically challenged…”

        You’re challenged, all right, but your eyes aren’t the problem.

        “People! Take your meds!” — Judge Elizabeth Donnelly (Judith Light), “Law & Order: Special Victims Unit,” episode titled “Zebras”

      • To Greg Smith —
        How can you even compare Obama to Trump? Trump makes fun of disabled people and brags about grabbing women’s private parts. Trump is not fit to be president. He is dragging us all down into the gutter with him too.

        • Lesa Byrnes, good points.

          Not to mention, Obama has been a faithful husband to one wife which is not something T can claim.

      • Thank you for your vote Greg and for helping to elect Trump over Crooked Hillary. I am grateful to you.

        The blog host seems to be echoing the left wing narrative that there are many Trump supporters who are “embarrassed” or “disappointed.” They wake up every day desperately looking for something to be outraged over. An outsider like Trump just was not supposed to win…

        That’s sad, but even sadder that some Christians would be so obsessed with Trump and their hatred of him that that has become their religion.

        • “That’s sad, but even sadder that some Christians would be so obsessed with Trump and their hatred of him that that has become their religion.”

          What on the face of God’s green earth is there to admire in Trump?

          “Hatred” is your word. I’ve never seen John P say he hates Trump nor I have read anything that says anyone hates Trump.

          You, Joe, are the only one who makes that statement, telling lies every time you post here.

        • Wrong again Terrible. The problem is not that “an outsider” won. The problem is how awful, vile, ignorant, dangerous and unstable that “outsider” has been and continues to be. Cheer that as you like (and hide in anonymity to do so) but know that his disapproval rating is real and it is that way for valid reasons. You have certainly not articulated any reasons someone could be proud of their vote for Trump.

        • I’m glad I found someone else here who knows the truth and doesn’t believe everything they see on social media

          • Wow, there are so many who were home schooled, and watch fake news. Perhaps if you had gotten a proper education maybe you would understand what the words mean and be able to recognize a con when you see it. Keep working on your education and you might find that everything you thought, has turned out to be the lies. Of course I don’t have any high hopes for that, my suspicion is that you will go down with the ship saying the same nonsense.

              • Maybe homeschooling is at fault is some cases, but certainly not all. Depends on the reason for home schooling.

            • I would’t be so snooty about home schoolers. I have a friend who has home schooled her three children and the eldest is on her way to medical school. One of mine never set foot in middle school or high school and is working on his doctorate degree.

              Home schoolers aren’t dum dums, and they ease the burden on the public school system. I wish more would do it, so we might break the monopoly of the greedy teachers unions.

        • No, what’s saddest is people calling themselves Christian, but trampling the Commandments the way you (for example) are doing in this very post.

          Free Clue 1: Hillary was not the “crooked” one.
          Free Clue 2: Trump has been crooked his entire career.
          Free Clue 3: One of the Commandments is about “bearing false witness”. Go look that one up again.

        • I’m really sorry you feel this way, Tom. I’m not a Hillary fan, but who’s being sad over blind hatred, now? Calling her “Crooked” implies you also have a level of hatred that hints at obsession. The Trump supporters are so very very calm, so level headed. You voted in a man who stirs hatred, who sexually assaults, behaves like a child, brings out the nasties who are less than Christ-like -and then when you see people despair over it – it allows you to stand on this self proclaimed Christian pedestal and say, “There, there little people. Your hatred of Trump has become your religion.” How very smug and passive aggressive of you. Voting him in was an act of hatred. Enjoy what you and your kind wrought. It will touch you one day. And not in a good way.

          • He also voted for someone who has yet again revealed how ill-qualified he is for the office he tries to fill.

            Trump Revealed Highly Classified Intelligence to Russia, in Break With Ally, Officials Say

            WASHINGTON — President Trump boasted about highly classified intelligence in a meeting with the Russian foreign minister and ambassador last week, providing details that could expose the source of the information and the manner in which it was collected, a current and a former American government official said Monday.

            The intelligence disclosed by Mr. Trump in a meeting with Sergey V. Lavrov, the Russian foreign minister, and Sergey I. Kislyak, the Russian ambassador to the United States, was about an Islamic State plot, according to the officials. A foreign ally that closely guards its own secrets provided the information, which was considered so sensitive that American officials did not share it widely within the United States government or pass it on to other allies.

            Mr. Trump’s disclosure does not appear to have been illegal — the president has the power to declassify almost anything. But sharing the information without the express permission of the ally who provided it represented a major breach of espionage etiquette and could jeopardize a crucial intelligence-sharing relationship.

            https://www.nytimes.com/2017/05/15/us/politics/trump-russia-classified-information-isis.html?emc=edit_na_20170515&nl=breaking-news&nlid=18604707&ref=cta

      • What do you expect from another self-hating commie/jew? If he doesn’t like it then him & the rest of his malcontent, loser, over-educated, under-productive cohorts can go live in Venezuela.

        • Wow! Jesus was a Jew and he certainly wasn’t a capitalist with all his talk of giving freely to the poor and hungry and curing the sick for no charge and treating women with respect, and pointing to the good in all people, even those who didn’t share his religion. He would have loathed the capitalist system we invented as it is today. He would loathe the “Christian” Right and the Republicans who laugh and celebrate about passing ‘healthcare’ bills that throw millions of poor, sick, and disabled folks, not to mention little children, off of Medicaid and Food Programs. I’m no saint but I shudder to think of these Right Wing sadists meeting Jesus who said that those who didn’t care for ‘the least of these my brothers’ will not enter into the Kingdom of Heaven.

      • Greg, I expect you’ll be singing a very different tune when you’ve lost your healthcare. When a loved one has a recurrence of cancer and can’t get insurance coverage. When you can no longer breathe the air or drink your water because it will poison you. You Trumpsters seem to think that because you’ve been loyal to the GOP brand all these years, you’re going to be up for special favors and consideration. You won’t be affected by all the things I’ve mentioned. Well, think again. Trump and the GOP are going to screw you over just as badly as the rest of us. You loyal voters were merely a means to an end – and now that the GOP has achieved that end, they’ll toss you aside like a used Kleenex. Hope you enjoy it! The rest of us won’t, that’s for sure.

      • Well “John,” you are in fact myopically challenged. Mr. Pavlovitz probably is too kind to say this, but you are the problem and you do need to have your eyes opened. Your description of God and reality reflects psychological projection and denial. What are you afraid of? That the weak people you have bullied will give you what you deserve? Lucky for you, progressive, liberal-minded people do not generally live in a world of threat and vengeance.

      • Prayer, Confession, Repentance that is the answer , Holy God, Not mans God
        A Man s anger does not bring about the righteous ness of God.
        Pray , Forgive, Trust God, Let God , Show himself Strong, and Show his Judgement towards all , who hate Him , and give thier heart to other False Gods,
        Seek after God 1st , then you will understand his work, holyness, righteousness, and love for mankind.

      • The god you speak about is a political narrative, as American as apple pie, Christian, and white. The God we pray to, the signified God whose name cannot be said, is the real God of all faiths, the God that exists within the fundamental part every single thing in the universe, the signified that unites the universe in consciousness and gives way to salvation, the Great Spirit that inspired pages of experience in the time of turmoil in bedridden sickness and near death of those such as Santa Teresa de Ávila, the God that unites people with divine love no matter their faith, the Brahmaputra, that gave way to Buddhism after Hinduism, let us to asceticism and brought us to gnosis of ourselves, nirvana, and transcendence from the fallacies oh so gallavanted as the one single truth, and the god that is the Earth we rape in the name of profit. Yet, as Colonialism destroyed our brother’s culture and desecrated their worship of that same signified, we called them savages without understanding our own savagery.
        Has one really considered the real story of president Andrew Jackson, the real person, not the political myth in terms of Rolands Barthes when astutely identifies the hegemonic Right . We go to mass murder other nations’ innocent people, conquer cultures, and call it “war”, a “necessary” evil for progress. We are are the hypocritical “civilizers” of the world, police state. What is Jesus for then? Wasn’t that to teach us to follow in his divine light? I highly doubt mass murder is getting anyone into heaven. Call me a racist for displaying the hypocrisy of the modern Colonial state. Wake up!

      • Greg Smith,
        You just proved Johns point. Obama did nothing to hurt you. He tried to work for the betterment of all Americans, but all you and your kind could see was the color of his skin.
        Now we have a bigoted, misogynistic, hateful liar in the White House who uses the government to line his and his families pockets with taxpayer dollars and emoluments from foreign countries and you applaud him.

      • You’re right ……you are myopically challenged and commit the greatest sin of all…….to presume to know the mind of God.

      • John,
        One Trump supporter said to me, “Don’t worry, Trump LOVES you!”. I heard the same thing today on NPR, a Trump supporter said, “he loves us SO MUCH! He gave up his wonderful life for us” (paraphrasing)…he does seem to be a Moses or Messiah. A symbol of a world that was; he was born in the 40s and despite his (ni)twitting, he’s an anachronism. I have had my fill of misogynistic, self -absorbed bully/victims (was married to one) . One statement I disagree with – his behavior has served him in business, bullying and self serving and screwing the other guy and crying when someone says something you don’t like. He’s the ugly American personified.

      • What on earth did President Obama do other than commit the sin of presiding while black? When did he ever demonstrate a feeling that one race was superior to another? What grave offenses did he commit that could even BEGIN to compare to Trump? It really didn’t bother you when Trump called white supremacists fine people or when his response to Puerto Rico was/is a horror and embarrassment for the ages? What on earth did President Obama do that offended you so? And what makes you think that the God John (and I do too) worships is not the one true God?

    • Personal familiarity is THE way that most people moderate their stereotypes. It happens over and over and over again. LGBTQ tut-tutters and ew-yuckers find out that the neighbor they’ve been sharing beers with and borrowing lawn tools from for 10 years is gay, and they realize that the reality that they and their neighbor have been sharing for so long doesn’t support what they’ve been told to believe. A parent chooses her child over her church when that church tells her her child is less than worthy as a human in the eyes of that church’s God. Passionate Progressives realize that the truth of the world lies between worldviews, not within one or the other, through their Wednesday lunches with their Committed Conservative co-workers. And vice-versa.

      It takes time, and trust, and working towards each other to work together, and to slowly tease out facts from interpretation, ideology from process. It’s time we have denied ourselves for a generation, maybe ten, in our dogged pursuit of self-determination…which remains always out of reach or deep in the mists of a misremembered past.

      Now if the Prez would like a dissertation on why the new electromagnetic aircraft catapults on our new carriers are far better than the steam ones, I can oblige…but somehow I don’t think he’d be interested.

      Make catapults great again?

      • I would really want the Prez to tweet about the aircraft carrier catapults at 3AM. We would be told how big and “best in the world” those giant rubber bands are on those ships.

      • Mosswings, as I said to Sandi, I hate it that I agree with everything you write.

        “Now if the Prez would like a dissertation on why the new electromagnetic aircraft catapults on our new carriers are far better than the steam ones, I can oblige…but somehow I don’t think he’d be interested.”

        I found this incident embarrassing. Just embarrassing.

        • Unfortunately, I find most incidents concerning our newest President embarrassing. He’s a prime example of wealthy white male entitlement. I get that most Republicans in Congress see him as a useful idiot who will sign what they pass without asking too many questions, but why do so many Evangelical Christians support him, when it seems so obvious to the rest of us that he is about as far from Christian as it is possible to be?

          • Many people that I know that vote Republican vote that way are one issue voters, although some may agree with more than one of the following. Usually, it is one of the following reasons they pick to vote Rep., even if they agree with Democrats on everything else:
            1. They are anti-abortion
            2. They are anti gay marriage.
            3. They believe Democrats want to take their guns away.
            4. They believe a vote for a Democrat is a vote for Socialism/Communism (they are the same in their minds– don’t try to explain it to them).

            • Yes, Rick, I’ve met many people like that. Seems to me it is due to a lack of education when they focus on #3 or 4.

              As for 1 and 2, I doubt there will ever be 100% acceptance.

            • So many of them claim to be Pro-Life but they are Pro Death Penalty, Pro War, Pro Violence to those they disagree with (witness Trump rallies), and against feeding hungry children, sick, elderly, and disabled people, and on and on. When it’s a fetus, it’s precious but, once it’s born, they could give a sh*t.

            • Exactly! I’ve seen Right Wingers call someone a Commie Socialist Fascist and they have no idea that all three of those things are different!

    • Yes Robin, I do see that exact same behavior.

      People CAN change their narrative, either completely or somewhat, in two ways. One way is to actually experience one of “the others” that they have feared or maligned, in person (or like on “Will and Grace”) and they see that the stereotype is not right.

      The other way is when something occurs to jar them into questioning, if not that personal experience then some outside influence that catches the voice that powered their narrative in some form of ethical fall from grace or repeated lies. Other than those two things, it is very, very hard to open eyes, hearts or minds that have accepted a narrative.

      If you live in the South, you know the power of the Confederate “Lost Cause” narrative that many still cling to tightly after 150 years. Few of us know anyone on the Christian Right that does not listen to the right-wing media empire and their parade of spin doctors who have been the glue for the Christian Right Political Party for 30 years now. And finally and saddest of all, religious doctrine has been used as a weapon for centuries and the Bible has been used to reinforce that since it began being published for the masses.

      Science, education, cultural change and any progress made, has been made against that powerful tide. But we have to take heart that the progress has been made and we cannot give up or let up in making sure we continue to gain ground, not lose it.

      This world and progress is NOT a ‘zero-sum game”. No one has to lose if others gain. The rich do not have to be made poor to help people. Immigrants do not have to be removed for jobs to be created. Refugees do not have to be refused so that we can be safe. Women do not have to be forced to carry a pregnancy so that we can end most abortions. The LGBTQ community does not have to be punished with inequality for you to fulfill your love of God.

      We will never reach them all, but we can regain the Obama voters and take power away from those determined to do harm in their zest for power and control. In fact, we have no other choice. Hate cannot win!

      • Sandi, that was beautiful. Thank you, because you are right, Love must win, Hate cannot win. As an aside, my husband did one year of college in VA and came home one day and told me, Guess what, the South won the war, those crazy Northerners lost. That was in one of his history classes, college level. Being a Yankee from CT that truly surprised me but they told me often enough in the year we lived there, that I was ready to head north. We still get a kick out of that. Love those mountains thought. Peace and Love,

    • There is a quote (that I wish I could take credit for but it’s not mine) that goes “When you are accustomed to Privilege, Equality feels Like Oppression”…and I think that is what is happening here. If White Men don’t feel like they have advantages, who does?

      • You are exactly right, I love when they beat up the white guy, like its the white guys fault, some how from the beginning of time or history how ever you want to put it, before American slavery, Columbus, Moses or any historical figure there was a white man, With his bigotry he advanced the human species. I would just like someone to explain to me, what has any other race done to advance the world that we know now as human beings has. If white priveledge is all about industry, technology, and the vast accomplishments of the human race, I would take the blame for white priveledge over social justice any day.

        • Wow. That is so offensive, anonymous.

          Where did civilization begin? in the Fertile Crescent in the MIDDLE EAST. Not white guys. This is where they invented some of the most crucial things that has allowed us to live on this planet such as the discovery of fire, the wheel, sewing, weaving, tool-making, religion, government, I could go on and on.

          We white folk are indebted to non-white folk and yet white privilege walks all over the non-white people.

        • I had a rather scathing reply all typed out, but decided, in honor of Mr. Pavlovitz’ gentility, to shorten it to: if she is right, then you must be wrong. For you to not get that is sad, but every single post of your shows why you can’t grasp simple truths: you do not want to, and you have refused to educate yourself in any way to enable that.

          There is a reason the GOP is trying to cut as much public education funding as possible. I’m sure if you think about it, you can realize why.

        • You are so desperately uneducated about history that I I don’t know where to begin. I’m so totally flabbergasted that anyone could possibly be so totally uneducated about the entire history of the world, the Middle East, Asia, the Africans of various cultures, the Egyptians. Hell, white Europeans were still painting themselves blue and scavenging in the woods while people of color were building cities, kingdoms, and empires.

  2. Well, John, you have certainly spoken as a prophet excercising your gift of exhortation.

    It is unbelievable to me that people fail to realize how much good the Obama administration did. It is unbelievable to me that people fail to realize how much evil the Trump administration has already committed and how much more they have planned.

    Not just to us in the USA, but all over the world. The USA is going to responsible for the death of the planet. I don’t understand why that doesn’t matter more?

    We must stand against the evil. We must name it for the evil it is and fight it.

    One way to persist in resistance is my FB group, Gloriamarie’s Progressive Stuff, where I post actions, petitions, info, actual news, evidence, facts. There’s a pinned post that I highly recommend people read. I also ask a screening question so I can keep the spammers and the trolls out. All who read this are invited.

    https://www.facebook.com/groups/gloriamariesprogressivepetitions/

    • You must also be brave and humble and look at the evil within yourselves. It’s not all “out there” in just those people who voted for Trump, who don’t like abortion, and who believe the Apostle Paul meant what he said. You’ve got your own sins and faults too. It’s not healthy to be obsessed with the (perceived) sins of others.

      • Joe, you are so obsessed with what women do with their very own bodies and what consulting adults do in bed that all I can do is pray that you receive mental health services ASAP.

  3. One can’t help but notice the many voices of those who are disillusioned by their experiences in various churches in the USA. Hard not to be, really, if one is a critical thinker. Herd not to be when one is a caring, compassionate, tender person.

Refuge is offered in the Facebook group ”Celebrate What Christians Have in Common” where a daily buffet is spread of Asceticism and art, cartoons and quotes, comics and contemplation, memes and meditations, music and musings, photographs and prayers, just about anything that is one of the many voices from the many flavors of Christianity.

    There is one discipline required of all who join: one must not utter a negative word because this space is a refuge, a respite, a place of peace and quiet. If one chooses to engage in discussion one may only write about one can affirm in the selection. No arguments, no vitriolic words, no spammers and trolls will be tolerated,

Please come and celebrate what Christians have in common and let us together remember our faith is based upon God, Jesus, and the Holy Spirit and not the actions and choices of frail, sinful human beings.

    https://www.facebook.com/groups/1409874399270377/



  4. John P, you speak the truth yet again, but the willfully deaf ears will not hear it. Instead you will be rebuked for daring to tell the truth.

    It is like we have entered a “Twilight Zone” episode and we cannot get out. Those whose aberrant views, prejudices, bigotry, and ignorance we thought we were overcoming, have instead found a modicum of power. And they ain’t lettin’ go!

    They will hold on to Trump as he goes down and blame us for that too. He is indeed their”Great White Hope” and that alone is a sad testament to what kind of people they really are.

    They believe they are persecuted for their faith. They believe Obama was a secret Muslim, not born here, not one of us, and maybe “worse”. They believe they were harmed by Obama policies. They believe Obama was the mistake laden, racist, wrong-headed administration, not Trump’s. They believe liberals are sick and twisted. They believe that the LGBTQ community are all perverts and pedophiles, They believe immigrants are criminals and refugees are terrorists. They believe that women should be punished for abortions (and so should doctors who perform them). In other words, we could not be more divided than if they were seceding to create a white, Christian, straight, independent republic and we were trying to hold the Union together.

    May God help us! This is not going to end well.

    • His skin color wasn’t an issue at all. I have nothing against orange people and didn’t prefer the whiteness of Hillary Clinton. Neither do I see that Trump has policies that are “pro-white” or discriminate against people of color. Yet this is the narrative the hate-filled anti-Trumpsters parrot day in and day out in order to undermine our President.

      I do believe Liberals have embraced “sick and twisted” ideas. It is sick and twisted for a man to join his reproductive organ to the rear end of another man. It’s their business if they want to do that, but Christian people don’t have to say it’s good or that God wants them to do that, an it doesn’t make them “bigots” for being true to their faith and not diluting it. But it doesn’t get any more sick and twisted than insisting that a mother has the right to hire a killer to dismember her own baby. That is a “right” that liberals fight for and are so blinded or hard-hearted that they see the desire to protect the unborn as “misogyny” or worse. So it’s hard to see that their thinking and beliefs come from a good place.

      I don’t believe Obama was a “secret Muslim,” btw, though he certainly isn’t an exemplary Christian (and neither are Trump or Clinton). I don’t think there are prominent pro-lifers who desire that women be punished for abortions. The focus for punishment at this time would be on the killers such as the abortionists at Planned Parenthood and the other abortion mills. Sadly we have an “abortion culture” and it will take many years to outgrow it and allow compassion to trump selfishness, and meanwhile women who abort could be seen as “victims” as much as are their babies who are killed, so there’s no pursuit of “punishment” for women who abort. That’s a red herring. But that’s down the road. It’s going to be a long time until there is legal protection and justice for the unborn.

      Yes we were harmed by Obama policies. I hope and pray Trump can turn things around. I don’t regret voting for him and will vote for him again. I don’t believe he’s “not well” or any of the other liberal media talking points. They want everyone to believe that those who voted for him have regrets or buyer’s remorse, but that’s not the case.

      Try nominating a good candidate. If he or she has a little compassion for the unborn and doesn’t refer to them as a “choice” that would be a plus in winning over some Christian voters.

      I thank God Trump was elected instead of Crooked Hillary.

      • Tom,

        Please don’t judge a mother that must abort a baby so that the baby doesn’t suffer and die 5 minutes after birth because it was diagnosed with a deadly illness in the womb.

        Please don’t judge a woman whose life was ruined from being raped, for having an abortion.

        Have you been raped, Tom?

        Please instead focus your energy on helping children in this country who don’t know where their next meal will come from. Donate to adoption agencies. Don’t vote for politicians that take healthcare away from millions so that you can save a little.

        Choosing leaders for our country based on one or two issues is very dangerous. Please open your mind and heart. Please pray harder.

        • Billy, I don’t know how long you have been reading this blog but just in case you are new here, just letting you know that “Terrible Tom” is a most prolific troll who posts under a variety of pseudonyms. This one is his most recent.

          He has an indecent, if not pathological, obsession with women’s bodies. Everything you have written has been written by so many of us already.

          He introduces this subject as a red herring to get the blog off-track.

          He needs to pay attention to what John is saying.

          • Thanks for the heads up. This is why I usually don’t comment on blogs. I’m not a good troll detector sometimes. 🙂

            • You are welcome.

              Some people can disagree politely using respectful and validating language and I welcome discussion on those terms.

              Some people come here to attack, harangue, lambaste, turn the topic on to the subject of their pet hates. Some people come here to take down John P’s blog. Those are people I call trolls.

            • Billy, I for one like your comments, so don’t go away. Who knows maybe your voice will be the one that Terrible Tom hears. I doubt it but it could happen. Peace,

              • Thanks Kathleen and Gloriamarie. I do wish though that I could stop getting angry at trolls. But, this is another topic for another article. “Should one engage with or ignore someone with extreme ideologies?”

                • Good luck with that. I try my darndest and then there’s this trigger and off I go. I tell myself, Walk away from the keyboard, sometimes that works and then others not so much. What I have concluded is that you will not change their minds. I am so sure of that. And they aren’t going to change mine so it seems like an effort in futility. Anyway glad your here and if they get you once in a while don’t be too hard on yourself. Peace,

                • I don’t have what it takes to engage trolls. Some people do it brilliantly, such as Robin and Sandi Saunders.

                  But sometimes I forget that I don’t what it takes and dive in regardless.

                  On the whole, I think trolls are best ignored if one doesn’t have what it takes and one thing it takes is a Very Long Fuse.

                  • And a very thick skin, believe me! Years ago, I became an ally for the LGBT movement because my son came out as gay. (He was already trans! He was born intersex but the clues were all internal and we didn’t find out till he was almost twenty. He was raised as a female.) The first times I wrangled with bigots who were absolutely horrible and ugly though they called themselves “Christians” , I literally shook so hard I could barely type, and I cried with both fear and rage. I was threatened with physical harm! But years later, I barely turn a hair. If I hadn’t gone through that trial by fire, I would have felt I hadn’t done right by my child. Now I can face down people in person, (though you have to be sure you’re safe and you do it calmly and respectfully). I have my facts ready and allow them their freedom to accept them or not. You can’t force anyone to change their mind but, I have changed a few minds. Those few, out of thousands I’ve spoken to, give me the hope to continue. Peace!

          • Billy,

            There were other issues than abortion, but since we all have a basic right to live, then that issue is very important and dwarfs the rest of them. I think abortion is “dangerous” since it unjustly kills so many people. I think we’re over 50,000,000 dead babies since Roe v Wade. So it’s more dangerous not to give that issue high priority, though if abortion had not been on the table, I still would have voted for Trump.

            Note that around here if you disagree with the blog host, if you voted for Trump, if you believe everything the Apostle Paul said, or if you’re a “conservative,” then you will be called a “troll.” You’re welcome to let your new friend tell you what to do and who to respond to. My only advice is that if her friendship is important to you that you don’t misspell or abbreviate her name or she will turn on you quite viciously and call you an “abuser” or a “bully.” Or possibly both. And it doesn’t matter if it was done innocently. Many support her in that and think such abuse is normal. I don’t.

            I don’t want to get into an abortion debate with you here and now except to say that you are using exceptions to justify all abortions. The vast majority of abortions do not occur for the reasons you cited. The bottom line for those of us who oppose abortion is that it kills people. It stops a beating heart. It’s objectively evil and the Church has opposed it for 2,000 years. No Christian can support it in good conscience.

            • Billy, please don’t fall into this trap. Although he says “I don’t want to get into an abortion debate with you here and now except to say that you are using exceptions to justify all abortions” actually, yes he does want to drag this blog into his obsession.

              • I hope you don’t mind that I warned him about getting your name straight. It might have been fun to catch him. How many have you driven off by your heavy handed and bullying ways? I count at least three. All of them anti-Trumpsters too. Oh well, less posters means less competition for your posts and your self-promotion. The less the merrier…

                • I feel so very sorry for you. What a sad sorry person you are. You need the services of mental health professionals.

                  I pray every day, Joe Catholic, that you seek them out.

                  • He’s a Catholic? Maybe he thinks he is. I’m a ‘recovering Catholic’ but I still keep track of Pope Francis and he’d give this ‘Joe Catholic’ a good earful about love, respect, and charity. He’d scoot him into the Confessional so fast his head would swim.

            • Terrible Tom. Good points. And it’s been much longer than 2000 years, God & God’s people have opposed abortion since God first spoke creation into existence. “God looked at everything he had made, and saw that it was good.”

              • leslie m, serious (not snarky) question. If you truly believe that “God & God’s people have opposed abortion since God first spoke creation into existence” why is it that you only see ONE WAY to achieve the end of it?

                See, the problem I see is this: God gives us all a talent and a challenge. The talent is to be used to create the body of Christ on earth and the challenge is to do that under the guidance of the teachings of Christ Himself.

                That means we USE ALL MEANS to end hunger, sickness, suffering, isolation, lack of fulfillment and abortion. ALL MEANS, not just the individual charity mandate, not just prayer for a better tomorrow, not just the veneer of “fighting” for or against something, but the actual work of healing, feeding, reaching and helping.

                So how do you square that challenge with just voting for laws to be made forcing incubation? For only creating birthing centers? For only condemning the choice and not working to make the choice of life easier? HOW?

            • The church has NOT al ways opposed abortion! See slacktivist at patheos.com for info about how the far right developed anti-abortion as a cause to bring evangelicals
              into the GOP. He points to articles in Christianity Today written in the 70s by SBC leaders that abortion is a question best left to the woman and her doctor!!

              • I remember at the time there were people who believed that it was more a political ploy than belief. There were people who warned that they really did not want the law changed because when that happens then people will move on and see exactly how the GOP is robbing them blind. It would appear that they were right on. Peace,

                • The Actual “Pro-Life” Conspiracy That Handed America to the Tea Party & Far Religious Right (An Insider’s Perspective)

                  The 1970s evangelical antiabortion movement was largely first created out of thin air by my late evangelist father, Francis Schaeffer, and Dr. C Everett Koop, with a big practical assist from me. I wrote and directed their multi-part documentary and book series “Whatever Happened to the Human Race?” which played across the evangelical world in the 1970s and first brought the antiabortion “case” to a huge, and at that time, largely pro-choice Protestant audience.
                  As Jonathan Dudley noted in a CNN blog (“When Evangelicals Were Pro-Choice” (October 30, 2012)
                  In 1968, Christianity Today published a special issue on contraception and abortion, encapsulating the consensus among evangelical thinkers at the time. In the leading article, professor Bruce Waltke, of the famously conservative Dallas Theological Seminary, explained the Bible plainly teaches that life begins at birth:
                  “God does not regard the fetus as a soul, no matter how far gestation has progressed. The Law plainly exacts: ‘If a man kills any human life he will be put to death’ (Lev. 24:17). But according to Exodus 21:22–24, the destruction of the fetus is not a capital offense… Clearly, then, in contrast to the mother, the fetus is not reckoned as a soul.”
                  There’s more to read here: http://www.patheos.com/blogs/frankschaeffer/2014/07/the-actual-pro-life-conspiracy-that-handed-america-to-the-tea-party-far-religious-right-an-insiders-perspective/

                  • Ah yes, Frank Schaeffer, my hero. I have read everything he has written and he should know, he was there. There were lots of us who suspected this and then Frank confirmed it. Peace and Love,

                    • I’ve not read anything by him. Will have to add him to the list with Adam Hamilton.

      • To get TomJoe back on topic

        ‘Idiot,’ ‘Incompetent’ and ‘Liar’ – Top Words Used To Describe Trump In Latest Poll

        Trump is a disaster and the majority of those surveyed appear to know that.
        Donald Trump is not doing well in the latest Quinnipiac poll. Not only has his approval rating fallen to 36 percent, the words that most often came to survey participants’ minds when asked to describe him were ‘idiot,’ followed by, ‘incompetent’ and ‘liar.’

        The survey was conducted from May 4-9, so it doesn’t include reaction to Trump’s firing of FBI director James Comey on Tuesday evening and the media firestorm that followed over whether it was intended to stop the FBI’s probe into Trump-Russia ties.

        Trump’s overall disapproval rating is now an abysmal 58 percent. A breakdown of the numbers also reveals some serious problems with his ‘personal qualities.’

        Most of those surveyed believe Trump is ‘not honest’ by a 61-33 percent margin. Another 56 percent say he’s not a good leader; 59 percent think he doesn’t care about average Americans, and a whopping 66 percent say he is ‘not level-headed.’

        The new poll basically reflects what the rest of the world has been seeing since the reality TV star took office. Donald Trump is a terrible president who is unfit for the office he holds.

        “There is no way to spin or sugarcoat these sagging numbers,” said Tim Malloy, assistant director of the Quinnipiac University Poll.

        Trump is a disaster and a clear majority of those surveyed appear to know that.

        You can read the results of the entire survey at: https://poll.qu.edu/national/release-detail?ReleaseID=2456

      • Sorry Terrible, maybe you are the exception, but we saw the cruel racist memes every day that dawned. We saw the tweets, we saw the signs at every protest and we heard the false accusations against Obama (many by Trump and his birther crowd) without pause for 9 years, so do not even try to claim “His skin color wasn’t an issue at all.”

        No one can help what you refuse to see, but white supremacist groups supported Trump because they did see that Trump has policies that are “pro-white” and will discriminate against people of color. Which is why some mention it in their attacks.

        You can claim that we are just “hate-filled anti-Trumpsters” as you like, and I will not deny that I do despise him and all he stands for, but that does not mean we are wrong. Trump was a big cheerleader trying to undermine President Obama so complaining about getting the same is hypocrisy writ large.

        Your need to make this vulgar is telling, but what I expect from the so-called Christian Right. If you actually understand the concepts of liberty, freedom and personal privacy, you would realize that it means accepting the sexual acts consenting adults perform in private that they choose, and accepting that women have the right to choose an abortion and that no one is a second class citizen due to those choices. But the thing is, the Christian Right Party does not embrace liberty, freedom and personal privacy. They never really have (except for themselves).

        Heterosexual people can also perform those same sex acts BTW and do you support removing their rights or disallowing their marriages?

        No one is asking anyone, not even “Christian people” like you claim to be “to say it’s good or that God wants them to do that.” All we ask is that you leave them alone. Do not condemn them, do not seek to make their marriages illegal. Do not seek to discriminate against them. That is all we ask.

        What does make you all “bigots” is that you are not “being true” to your faith when it comes to other sins and abominations. You rank sin. Then for some sins, even the ones Jesus talked about, you willingly are “diluting it.” Therein lies the hypocrisy!

        You may continue to believe “it doesn’t get any more sick and twisted than insisting that a mother has the right to hire a killer to dismember her own baby” even though the vast majority of abortions are performed before there is an actual baby. Oddly we tend to think it doesn’t get any more sick and twisted than insisting that a woman be forced to carry a pregnancy or that if a woman chooses life you all fight to defund the programs that help her raise the child. Again, believing in freedom, liberty and personal privacy means abortion stays legal, even if you do not like it. Whether you accept it or not, it is hard not to think of forced incubation as not “misogyny.” I think liberty, freedom and personal privacy come from the best place humanity can come from. But that may be just me.

        Making abortion illegal will force women to carry a pregnancy. Semantics will not change that truth. We likely have an “abortion culture” because even many Christians do not show that they value women or life. So how can you expect society to do so?

        You can claim it is “selfishness” to choose abortion, but people living in poverty, addicted, abusive scenarios would not wish that on their worst enemy much less an innocent child. So until you all are supporting comprehensive sex education so teens are not so ignorant that pregnancy is a surprise, until you support the programs that value and empower women, until you support our tax dollars helping women choose life and raise that child, you are aiding and abetting the abortion you decry. Try having a little compassion for the woman with an unwanted pregnancy and support ways to help her CHOOSE life instead of force of law.

        You can claim you “were harmed by Obama policies.” but that does not make it true. Since the near economic collapse we have had a long (if slow) recovery and that is just a fact.

        We know you “don’t regret voting for him and will vote for him again.” What we do not know is what is so terribly wrong with your comprehension of reality.

        • You stated that brilliantly. I simply am mystified how anyone who has white skin can think they are persecuted in this country. None of their take makes any sense to me. Thank you Sandi, once again, you done good. Peace and Love,

        • Sandi said, “But the thing is, the Christian Right Party does not embrace liberty, freedom and personal privacy. They never really have (except for themselves).”

          They think the Pledge of Allegiance ends like this: “…with liberty and all for just us.”

        • The Right Wing whines that they want their ‘freedom of speech’ and ‘freedom of religion’ but, I always notice they only want these things for themselves. They want a Christian nation run with Christian laws but only the type their own denomination favors (and there are over 46,000 denominations of Christianity and increasing exponentially). They’d be arguing into perpetuity trying to decide which denomination’s interpretation of the Bible should rule the country. In any discussion, when they run out of steam, they are always the first to call names and to tell anyone who disagrees with them to ‘shut up and leave the country’. So much for freedom of speech and freedom of religion.

      • As a wise man told me:

        The powerful and the stupid have one thing in common. They don’t alters their views to fit the facts, they alter the facts to fit their views, which can be uncomfortable if you happen to be one of the facts that needs altering.

      • Oh Tom, I hear you are are regular troll. Well, I want to reply to you anyway. First, I’m as sure as I can be that gay men don’t think your God has any interest one way or the other in where they put the penises, nor are they wishing you would say he did. So you can stop worrying about that.
        Second, if you’d ever seen a first trimester abortion, you’d know that there is no “dismembering” involved. Believe what you want about the nature of the embryo, at that point it doesn’t look like anything more than a blood clot, no matter what the billboards would have you believe. Late term abortions are another matter and almost always involve some horrific tragedy.
        Third, we are all pro life. Some of us just happen to be pro choice, too, and it pisses me off that the anti abortion people co-opted the phrase “pro life”. Call yourself anti abortion, which is what you are. I’m just as pro life as the next person; I just have decent priorities.
        Fourth, we are well aware that, by and large, the Trump supporters are standing by him no matter how much he lies and messes up. It boggles the mind.

        • Patty. –even the most liberal european countries were shocked by Hillary’s extreme partial birth abortion stance. [36-40 weeks.] In which she said, ‘Mental stress’ of Mother should by-pass the restrictions that are in place for late term abortions.

          Hillary tells United Nations on International Women’s Day: “there can be no human progress without Abortion on Demand, and no country has reached that ultimate goal yet. Having free access to Abortion on Demand, — remains the great unfinished business of the 21st Century”

          Progressives don’t even bat an eye.

          • Why on earth would we bat an eye at the truth?

            Women all over the world deserve to be in control of their own bodies. Not men, not governments.

          • Oh leslie m, could you just once not prove the stereotype?

            “During the 2016 presidential campaign, Hillary Clinton has repeatedly spoken out in support of the right to abortion. Planned Parenthood president Cecile Richards has praised Clinton for treating reproductive issues as “more than just a sound bite” and the pro-choice organizations Emily’s List and NARAL Pro-Choice America have endorsed her. However, Clinton’s views on abortion are more nuanced and reflect her religious commitments to a greater degree than partisans on either side of the issue may realize.”

            “For the most part, Clinton’s stance matches the official stance of the United Methodist Church, or UMC—the tradition in which she was raised and remains a faithful member. Clinton, who calls herself an “old-fashioned Methodist,” told a Newsweek interviewer in 1994 that abortion is morally wrong. One of her biographers, Paul Kengor, notes that she has turned to the UMC’s Book of Resolutions when she has wanted help reaching a decision or when grappling with a moral question. The Book accepts abortion but only in a qualified way. It professes “the sanctity of unborn human life” while allowing that certain circumstances—“conflicts of life with life”—may warrant terminating a pregnancy. This may explain Clinton’s recent comments on NBC’s “Meet the Press” during which, to the dismay of many pro-choicers, she described the fetus as an “unborn person.” She has also declared her support of some “late-pregnancy” restrictions that would go into effect perhaps as soon as the “unborn person” is viable, except in cases of rape or incest or when the life or mental or physical health of the mother is at risk.”
            https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/08/hillary-clinton-abortion/494723/

            And you and your source have totally misrepresented her UN quote which was not as you presented it! Imagine that!

            “There is one lesson from the past, in particular, that we cannot afford to ignore: You cannot make progress on gender equality or broader human development, without safeguarding women’s reproductive health and rights,” Clinton said near the end of a speech marking International Women’s Day. “That is a bedrock truth. This remains the great unfinished business of the 21st century,” Clinton said. “No country in the world, including my own, has achieved full participation.”

            • Thank you Sandi. You are my hero. As a fellow UMC I knew what her stance was but never could have done it justice like you did. I think I am going to have to put Leslie M on my prayer list. This seems to be a habit she has of misconstruing information. I would like to believe that it is innocent but after she has done it so many times I am having difficulties with the innocent part. So will pray for her. And you my friend, you get a cape. Peace and Love,

              • Kathleen B, you took the words right out of my mouth. ” I would like to believe that it is innocent but after she has done it so many times I am having difficulties with the innocent part. ”

                Me too

              • Thank you sweet friend, sadly it is just from years of practice with total stereotypes and fact-checking their distorted points.

                I have totally enjoyed the snatches of conversation without the law-givers though. We will make a community of friends here that they cannot shake!

            • Sandi Are you telling us that leslie m bore false witness against her sister in Christ, Hillary Clinton?

              Surely breaking the Commandments is contrary to Christian Fundamentalist belief?

              Thank you for fact checking her. I guess I am gonna have to do that too.

            • She can say nice things about the unborn but if her policies allow them to be killed it doesn’t do them much good. Yes she is inline with the UMC which basically says if you like abortion that’s ok and if you don’t like it, that’s ok too.

              So she does see the unborn as a “person”? Then what does it mean that she say it’s ok to kill an unwanted person?

              And Leslie was referring to partial birth abortions. Hopefully the UMC has a little bit of spine regarding something so atrocious and cruel.

              • Terrible Tom, you need to stop maligning Clinton, who has actually worked to help women choose life, when you know beyond doubt that the people and policies you support have aided and abetted the abortion industry for decades. WE are the people bringing the abortion rate down, NOT YOU! See the facts to know your own failure. You cause more abortions than Hillary ever has.

                • Actually Terrible showed his hand in his sneer of the United Methodist Church. My he thinks he is superior doesn’t he.

                  • Oh, Kathleen B, I remember a few weeks ago when he was still writing as Joe Catholic, Theo told us that the only true Christians are Roman Catholics and everyone else is a heretic.

                    So yes, he does have a superiority complex and any number of cognitive distorians in his thinking processes.

                    • And given enough time he does show his hand. That comment was a dead giveaway as to who Terrible was. I was just waiting. He can’t help himself. Perhaps we all need to pray for him. Evidently he isn’t asking for guidance on how to go forth in love and that’s a shame. He just put down a lot of good people who happen to be in the Methodist Church. That is not how I was taught a good Christian behaves.
                      Peace and Love,

                    • Kathleen B, I pray every day for Joe and several others I’ve come to know on this blog. Come to think of it, I pray for everyone on this blog. Not by name and not anything very specific. I pray that God blesses John P, and all the readers of this blog that we all know God’s true love, embrace Jesus and what He tells us and that we all allow the Holy Spirit to illumine our minds and soften our hearts so we may grow in love and service.

                      I figure God knows what each of us needs.

              • Tom, once more…….there is NO SUCH THING as a partial birth abortion. Doesn’t exist, never did. It’s something you anti-abortion Neanderthals ginned up. It’s a total fiction. Oh, and one more thing (and I’ll repeat this until the day I die) – when the great day comes when you men are the ones who get pregnant, then and then only will your opinion carry weight. Until that day, stifle yourself – because you aren’t the ones who get stuck with the lease.

        • I agree that some of the early abortions can look like a “blood clot” but that’s after the abortionist has done his evil work. At least two thirds of all abortions happen after week 6, when there is a beating heart. What kind of “blood clot” has a heart of its own?

          • All kinds of developing embryos of mammals actually. And chickens– I know chickens develop from that “blood clot” in ‘bloody eggs’ and they have definitely have hearts too, eventually. But you can’t say that the tiny speck in a bloody egg is a chicken. It might have become a chicken at some point, but it ain’t one yet.

      • Thank you Terrible Tom. I respect you for speaking out in truth on every point, what I don’t understand is their hatred towards people of faith. I don’t understand their all consuming hatred of Donald Trump. I suspect they are part of the emerging church. They don’t like what’s written in the word of God so they manufacture their own god. You are right, sick and twisted.

        • Again, the word “hatred.” No one has ever used this word except those who dislike what John P writes.

          You lie when you use that word.

        • Anonymous, add what’s written in the word of God to the things you clearly do not understand. YOU ALL chose the world over the word and you are mad that we have dared to notice. Suck it up buttercup, you made that choice, you own it. Blaming whatever you call “the emerging church” is just another cop out. Jesus would not know the Christian Right money changers in His church.

        • You know what is not in the Bible? Jesus teaching people to be authoritarian, bigots, fascists, gynophobes, homophobes, isolationists, misogynistic, prejudiced, racist, rapists, sexual assaulters/molesters, transgenderphobes, white supremacists, and xenophobes.

          And yet that is the nature of the so-called Christians who voted for the GOP.

          If Christians are emerging out of that darkness and into the light of Christ, then gung ho the emerging church.

          • Just so you know, the emerging church are people who choose to ignore any scripture they don’t like or twist and pull it out of context to justify their own agenda. And yes hatred seems to prevail against the true church here on this blog with the constant labeling string of words such as bigots, fascists, gynophobhobes, authoritarian, homophobes, isolationists, misogynistic, prejudiced, racist, rapist, sexual molesters, Transgender phobes, white supremacists, and xenophobes! So you say is our nature? Sounds a lot like hatred towards people of faith who voted for President Trump. I must confess I don’t even know the meaning of some of those insults. What exactly has President Trump done to deserve such hatred? What?

            • So, Anonymous Again, I guess you are one of the bigots, fascists, gynophobhobes, authoritarian, homophobes, isolationists, misogynistic, prejudiced, racist, rapist, sexual molesters, Transgender phobes, white supremacists, and xenophobes!

              Do you hate the spade when you call it a spade and not a shovel (or possible a club, diamond, or heart)? No, of course not, because it is only being honest to name it for what it is?

              Did I hate my husband when I called him an alcoholic? No, I didn’t. But it felt like hate to him because he didn’t want to hear that word or acknowledge the truth because he was in denial.

              I don’t hate anyone. But I am not going to be complicit with evil. The Gospel and the entire Bible is pretty clear that we are not to tolerate evil.

              So if it feels like hatred to you, perhaps some self-examination is in order to learn what you are in denial about.

            • Wrong again, Anonymous Again! If that is the definition of “the emerging church” then it is the fundamentalists that are the guilty party. They willfully ignore any scripture that does not help them judge, feel superior or cater to their lust for power and control. They spin, twist and pull verses out of context to justify their own agenda. And yes hatred seems to prevail against anyone who questions how that adheres to the teachings of Jesus Christ or the example He lived.

              Jesus Christ is “the true church” and the ONLY church that matters for Christians. Not just some of what he said, but all of it, as a whole and the commands he left for us. Find me the persecution, bigotry, denial, exclusion, hatred and use of political power to hurt “the least of these” in the Gospels of Jesus Christ. Who did he berate and call out? Was it the poor sinners or was it the so-called righteous?

              People who claim faith who voted for Trump and still support his mean agenda have to confront themselves. But if you call him a man of God, a leader to respect or someone wanting to help all, you are just plain lying.

              • #TeamSandiSaunders

                Sandi, let’s not forget that other group who “spin, twist and pull verses out of context to justify their own agenda.” I speak of those who have embraced that heinous heresy, the prosperity gospel.

                • Right Wing Christians and apparently most Republican legislators who claim to be Christian seem to conveniently forget the part where Jesus says that if you neglect the poor and needy, which includes, the sick, the disabled, the orphaned, the widowed, and even prisoners, among others, then you have neglected Him! He said to feed the hungry, clothe the naked, visit those who are sick and in prison and protect children. He says woe to those who neglect to do these things for they will not enter the Kingdom of His Father. And when I point this out to Right Wing Christians, they say, “But-but-but”, but Jesus didn’t leave any room there for a ‘but’. They think they get to judge who is worthy to receive their charity but that is exactly what Jesus said they must not do! Jesus fed the hungry without asking for pay or work. He healed the sick without asking if they were worthy or had money. He did this even for those not of His religion. He treated women as equals and spoke to them. He ate with thieves and prostitutes without guilting them. He used His example and His Love to change hearts, not hatred and not scorn. No matter what any other Scripture writer said, none of their words can supersede those of Christ for a Christian.

      • Curious… is it “sick and twisted” if my husband places his reproductive organ at my (a woman) rear end??? Just truly trying to figure out your logic….

        Thank you.

      • At least you admit that everything you “believe” is just a belief, and that there are absolutely no facts to back you up. (Whether you realize you did that or not, you *prove* it when you do not *provide* any for your assertions)

        I, for one, am THRILLED that you believe I am sick & twisted, because I would have to seriously consider suicide if you approved of me in any way.

    • I fear it may be worse than that. The odds are about a 1 in 3 chance that an Atomic Bomb, as least as powerful as the one detonated over Hiroshima, will be detonated in at least one city in the US or allied countries within the next 4 years . The likely culprits will be North Korea, Hezbollah (backed by Iran), or other terrorists groups (foreign and/or domestic). For someone as impulsive and mercurial as Trump having access to the nuclear football worries me greatly.

      • Robin, you are not alone in that worry! Even after 9/11 I never felt this anxious about WWIII and Nuclear attacks.

      • Robin, may I ask where do those odds come from?

        Thinking about Trump’s access to our nuclear weapons has given me insomnia several nights.

        • Oops. Wrong odds. In 2000 the chances of a nuclear attack in an city was 0.1% (from one of the atomic scientist working to but that was before how bad the theft of nuclear material was and before the North Korea started testing nuclear testing so the chances have increased dramatically.

          The really odds are now 3.3% of the scenario I described within the next 8 years and that was in 2015. This is the worst since the Cuban Missile crisis. We are now in real trouble.

          • Robin, I read in the NYT today that N Korea had a successful missile test, the thing traveling 430 miles.

            Does that change the odds? Cause I live in a Navy town and I am certain we would be a target.

            • Ah, I knew I’d read about this before. It’s called the Doomsday Clock and it’s from The Bulletin of Atomic Scientists. Right now, we’re at ‘two and a half minutes to midnight’ as far as risk goes. At ‘midnight’, we all go boom!
              http://thebulletin.org/clock/2017

    • Wow. John and Sandi have succinctly put into words what many of us see, yet are unable to wrap our heads around the “How?” and “Why?” . The actions of the very ‘mentally unsound’ 45 continue to mortify , yet there he sits. The most frightening thing is what will an unwell leader need to do before he is stopped? May God help us for sure.

      • I must signed at least 50 petitions to impeach him in the last three days, each from a different source. We can’t sit back and do nothing.

        One way to persist in resistance is my FB group, Gloriamarie’s Progressive Stuff, where I post actions, petitions, info, actual news, evidence, facts. There’s a pinned post that I highly recommend people read. I also ask a screening question so I can keep the spammers and the trolls out. All who read this are invited.

        https://www.facebook.com/groups/gloriamariesprogressivepetitions/

      • I agree, you would think he has crossed the line so many times already that he would be stopped, but nope, the gutless wonders in Congress seem to be afraid of their shadows, the press, even though they are arresting them for asking questions, seem to be afraid of their shadows, so May God help us may be all we have. Peace and Love,

  5. It’s not a white house anymore, we shall refer to it for the time being as a dibbuk box. I do so long for the day when we can perform the final exorcism. I wish I was kidding.

  6. John, I love your stuff, but you really have gone on a bit of an angry rampage against Evangelical Christians as a group. I know some of these people, and they are deeply hurt by these accusations and assumptions around why they did what they did.

    Here is one of their comments:

    “I am white. I am Christian. I am conservative. I am evangelical. And I am sad that this author has a perspective of me that does not open doors to communication. To this author I say we have got to learn to challenge one another in love without making sweeping generalizations that divide.”

    I read your beautiful writing on depression, on the struggles of gay and trans Christians and I wish you would extend your incredible empathy to this group, too, instead of always castigating them. I am trying to do that in my small way. Part of my response to the above was this:

    “The target audience [of John’s article], to my mind, is the modern equivalent of the Pharisees whom Jesus castigated with similar ferocity. Their investment in the right-wing political power structure has separated them from the mission of Christ, which is all about infecting the world with God’s sacrificial love. Much of that group resides in the conservative Evangelical Church, and is led by the likes of Franklin Graham.

    That same church is home to a huge population of kind, wonderful people like you who are troubled by the political and faith landscape you are faced with today. It must seem unfair to be lumped in with those who unthinkingly support our President, when I know that his actions and behavior cause you to be concerned, too.

    I and my liberal sisters and brothers have become more strident since the rise of Trump. We lump together the power-seeking types with those who put loving Jesus first but disagree with us on the non essentials and then [we] say unkind things. It’s wrong, and to the degree that I have been a part of that, I need to repent. Pharisee behavior is not just a conservative affliction.

    I’d like to find ways to bridge this painful divide in the Body of Christ. My experience of the last week tells me that such wounds, left untreated, can be very dangerous to to the whole. [I spent 4 days of this week in the hospital with cellulitis.]

    Any ideas?”

    So, how about it, John? You are so gifted with empathy and these people – many of them really are hurting, confused. Jobs lost to a changing economy, challenging changes to a moral code they grew up with, a sense that the world is moving away from them so fast… Maybe they are privileged – but it sure doesn’t seem that way when there aren’t any jobs for them any more and the local bakery is closing down because they don’t feel free to express their faith by giving up business they don’t believe they should take.

    I know you can get it. And I know, once you plug in, you will write on their behalf with a love and compassion that will heal their wounds. I can’t wait to read what you have to say.

    • Cliff, the reason people are hurt by what Joh writes is that he writes the truth and sometimes the truth hurts. When that happens, instead of complaining that it hurts, it is usually best to do something about the cause of the hurt And that cause is not John P. The cause is the reluctance to face the truth about one’s self.

      “‘Idiot,’ ‘Incompetent’ and ‘Liar’ – Top Words Used To Describe Trump In Latest Poll”

      Trump is a disaster and the majority of those surveyed appear to know that.
      Donald Trump is not doing well in the latest Quinnipiac poll. Not only has his approval rating fallen to 36 percent, the words that most often came to survey participants’ minds when asked to describe him were ‘idiot,’ followed by, ‘incompetent’ and ‘liar.’

      The survey was conducted from May 4-9, so it doesn’t include reaction to Trump’s firing of FBI director James Comey on Tuesday evening and the media firestorm that followed over whether it was intended to stop the FBI’s probe into Trump-Russia ties.

      Trump’s overall disapproval rating is now an abysmal 58 percent. A breakdown of the numbers also reveals some serious problems with his ‘personal qualities.’

      Most of those surveyed believe Trump is ‘not honest’ by a 61-33 percent margin. Another 56 percent say he’s not a good leader; 59 percent think he doesn’t care about average Americans, and a whopping 66 percent say he is ‘not level-headed.’

      The new poll basically reflects what the rest of the world has been seeing since the reality TV star took office. Donald Trump is a terrible president who is unfit for the office he holds.

      “There is no way to spin or sugarcoat these sagging numbers,” said Tim Malloy, assistant director of the Quinnipiac University Poll.

      Trump is a disaster and a clear majority of those surveyed appear to know that.

      You can read the results of the entire survey at: https://poll.qu.edu/national/release-detail?ReleaseID=2456

      • Gloriamarie, you certainly have the polls on your side, but that is not what I am talking about. Please read again what I said – these are God’s children no less than you or I. We are called to love them. I am not asking John to side with them or agree with them, just come along side them instead of confronting.

        • Cliff, I honestly think the only people who would call John P’s style confrontational are those that most need to profit from what he writes.

          The thing is, if Christians voted for the GOP in November, then they voted for evil. Apparently, too many of them refuse to see the evil for what it is because they agree with bigotry and a whole lotta other ugly sounding words I could use.

          Please tell me how one “just come along side them ” when they are racists and white supremacists? Yes, those are harsh words, but how else does one get the point across.

          My husband was an alcoholic who controlled his drinking for a goodly while during the course of our marriage. When I came out of my naivete to see what I had married, I went to ALAnon meetings where I learned many things. One of the most useful was to simply say to him, “You are an alcoholic.” It made him accountable for his drinking.

          I suggest the same thing is true of bigots, racists, and all the other ugly words. People have to be held accountable for their bigotry, gynophobia, homophobia, prejudice, racism, transgenderphobia, white supremacy, and xenophobia. Jesus doesn’t teach us to be those things.

          • Exactly Gloriamarie. Cliff you ask for us to “just come along side them”. How is that possible if they think of us as “an abomination” for how we are born and who we love? How can a Jew and a Neo-Nazi come together when the Neo-Nazi doesn’t believe Jews should even be alive? How many times we must extend a hand only to be slapped down over and over again? Please tell me how, Cliff.

            • Robin, I too really sincerely want to know how we are supposed “just come along side them”.

              I think plenty of people in these comments have attempted to ““just come along side” many people here to have a rational conversation. We have offered evidence, facts, peer-reviewed studies and have been ignored.

              We have been met with abuse, bullying, cruelty, harshness, scatological language, and venom. Some of us have been called some ugly names and too much filth has been thrown at people.

              How are we supposed to ““just come along side” people who treat us like that?

        • Cliff, I get where you are coming from, but John has been in the church for two decades, and some of us even longer and that challenging one another in love, and using incredible empathy trying to reach them resulted in the literal Christian Right political party and the support for and election of Trump.

          So something had to give. What did not work was going along to get along, trying to gently lead and keep the peace. We got where we find ourselves as Christians and progressives by not doing more call outs and standing up to the menace of the money-changers in the Temple and the law-givers choosing our rules and leaders over the Gospel of Jesus Christ.

          I am more than willing to meet them half-way when they realize the damage done and pledge to join us. I am not interested in forgiving and letting it go as the damage piles up. John is reaching out in love to those being damaged, living in fear of the future and worried about the direction of this nation right now, not so much those who helped put us here.

            • Again Terrible, I am not interested in compromise and forgiveness for those who have willingly damaged the Republic and betrayed the teachings of Christ to do it. You made your bed.

              • Then be honest. You don’t meet anyone “half-way.” They believe as you do or they are your enemy, regardless of their good intentions and devotion to God. It’s your way or the highway.

                • But Terrible, I have been nothing but honest. Until there is an effort at repentance, there is no “meeting.” I never said otherwise. If you can give me the words that Jesus Christ said that backs up your point, then we have something to talk about.

                  Good intentions pave the way where? You are not my “enemy,” regardless of your beliefs but you are not my friend if you think Scripture backs Trump or the church being involved in politics. Devotion to God does not back that up either. It just does not. It is not me, it is God’s way or the highway.

                  • I’ll meet you half way and will not require you to repent of your embracing and promoting the evils of abortion and homosexuality. I will also overlook that you voted for crooked Hillary.

                    That’s because I’m reasonable and gracious and give you the benefit of the doubt that you are believing and preaching errors in good faith and don’t intend to do evil.

                    • Terrible, I did not ask you to meet me anywhere and whatever your motivation would be, it is clearly not due to you being ” reasonable and gracious.”

                • Actually, Joe, you’re the one who constantly says ” It’s my way or the highway” every time we disagree with you, provide you with evidence and facts, which you ignore, and ask you questions which you won’t answer.

            • The irony of your sneer is superseded only by the self-blind hypocrisy. You all had EIGHT YEARS to “meet us halfway” & you REFUSED.

        • You know, my husband and I tried your approach for over 40 years. It got us Donald Trump as president. I know you mean well, but sometimes people need to be shown what they are doing. That doesn’t mean we don’t love them, but sometimes the blinders have to be torn away. The comfort has to go away. I don’t mean this in a hateful way but “now, now” didn’t work. Perhaps we have to change our strategy. Peace,

        • Cliff. it has been my experience that if you pull your ship in close to them and pull along side them, just like with the old wooden ships, they suddenly let go on you with all of their cannons.

          These so-called conservative people who are “children of God” behave like the devil himself. The only way to deal with them is to confront them just like John Pavlovitz is doing because they embrace evil in the name of their conservatism. A conservative who wants to cheat the poor out of healthcare in the name of Jesus is doing evil in the name of Jesus—and that needs to be confronted.

          You are just like every other two-bit prick raised in an evangelical church environment. You go out as an ambassador to ask Captain Kirk to please lower his shields on the Enterprise so the fundie side can more easily conquer the sector. No chance Cliff. The shields stay up and the battle goes on. There will be no pulling along side. Jesus will eventually bring the conservative side where he wants it—in total submission to himself and his ways—but they are still a long way off now. So, you just go back and tell your Christian conservative friends that if they want to own and control the United States—and order people around—-they are going to have one Hell of a long, hard, and bloody fight to get there—and my bet is that they will never get there because most Americans think they are just plain nuts—and they are.

          • Come on, Charles, please. Cliff was polite and respectful. There is no need for you to say this to him “You are just like every other two-bit prick .”

            Honestly. Please quit the vulgarity

    • Cliff, I get what you are saying. The real problem is that we can’t have a coming together if me and others are denied our rights. The right to marry our loves, our right not to be discriminated, our right to be treated as equals, our right to not be abused, beaten, and killed, our right to be called Christians if we follow Christ and go to a church that will not throw us out.

      Do you think a business open to the public has a right to discriminate against LGBT people, interracial couples, people of other races and faiths? Do we really want a repeat of the Woolsworth sit-ins in the 1950’s just to get served? The trouble of the bakery pails in comparison the harassment, threats, and even violence we LGBT face, even from our own families and churches of our youth.

      Some of us can relate to your side but that has to be a two way street. Once that happens we can heal this wound, like two halves of a wound gets stitched so it can heal. Pastors like Franklin Graham don’t want any part of that. No one can reason with crusades against us so no healing can take place.

      In the meantime we must oppose the ones who anointed the President as “G-d’s own man” as much as we oppose the mentally unstable President. Just as compression syndrome patients that purposefully are sliced open to prevent the swelling from cutting off blood flow I believe we will not be able to heal the wound until the constant inflammation of the crusades against “the other” is stopped.

    • To all who have responded –

      First of all, I have been in the church and a leader in the church for decades. I grew up in the Evangelical Church. I have been through a long, tough journey of my own to reach a place of true liberality concerning God’ grace. My family boast several in the LGBT community, who have taught me a lot about this. So I request you take that into account. I’m not a schmuck!

      When I talk about coming along side someone, there is a prerequisite. You gotta be willing to love that person. Not categorize them as “one of them”. Every human being on this planet from the sweetest grandma to the most vicious ISIS killer is first and foremost a child of God and we are called to love them, so this is not optional among us fillers of Christ. (That wouldn’t stop me defending myself or others from either of them, should the need arise!)

      So, I have been following some good advice I got along the way, and I am shoring up my relationships with my conservative friends. They are not the monsters you say they are. Mostly they are good people who want to raise their children in the traditions they grew up in and are disturbed to now be called horribke things because of that. I live in a very affluent community, so I don’t see the economic distress of middle American manufacturing, but I can read. The pain I read about is real. So don’t tell me that these people are monsters – they aren’t. I know that because I love them.

      None of this is to deny what any of you has suffered at the hands of our brothers and sisters. And maybe this mission is not for you. I never said it was. I spoke to John, and continue to call out, “Will you join me in loving and trying to find empathy for our brothers and sisters who voted for Trump? I don’t believe you can reach them until you do..”

      • Hey Cliff, everyday a follower/ believer of Christ has the same choice as any other person– how best do we love others — our neighbour, the stranger, the foreigner, our co-workers, the mother who has an abortion, the politician, the disillusioned, the poor, the tired, the angry, the atheist, the muslim, the LGBT person– or the very next person you meet.

        Every single issue that comes up in politics, in social movements and personal interactions we, as Christians, have the advantage (or so we should) to show Jesus to the world that they might see a better way. A way of peace, self sacrifice, hospitality, healing, standing up for what is good and right and opposing what is evil and wrong– for the love of God– our Creator.

        I agree we should come along side our brother, who claims the faith, and everyone in this world especially those who suffer.

        On the other hand, as Kathleen pointed out, sometimes you have to shake the sand off your sandals so to speak and keep the monsters at arms reach. The key here is discernment. So, I agree with you as well because when we paint with a broad brush we miss those opportunities to keep friendships and make allies with those who have compassion although we may not agree on specifics– we agree with compassion.

        I appreciate your comments.

      • Cliff, I don’t for a moment think conservatives are “monsters”. I think that even good people can do monstrous things however.

        I think that the marriage of the church and the political right, with the aim of power and control has been an abomination I kept praying the followers of Christ would reject, not embrace. But that did not happen and now we have Trump to deal with. I think God has laid it on John’s heart to fight for the body of Christ as best he can and I applaud that courage. It is a daunting battle at this point because instead of Enlightenment, we have entrenchment. And they will fight for their power to be enriched not eroded, not even by the Word of God.

        If you or your friends read the Christian Right Party in the Gospels, I submit that is wrong and it has to be dealt with. First. Before we move on to any “walking along side” them. I will not join that walk. I will pray for their eyes to be opened, as I have done for decades.

        • John Pavlovitz is not the only one speaking out against Trump– but the way he speaks out and the implications he makes is what bothers people. No Trump voter wants to face a reality that Pavlovitz’s view might be right.

          • I agree with that assessment and I also believe that that is why some will never admit that they were just plain wrong. Peace and Love,

            • I would add that as the world is going up in flames they will say, Darn that Obama. That is what we are dealing with. You know, get rid of Obamacare but leave my Affordable Care alone. Peace,

          • Precisely Kathy A, John P hits entirely too close to home and they know the Scripture proves it. Rejection of the truth, does not make it any less true. John’s conviction stands.

            And you are right, he is not alone.

          • Kathy A., I agree with you completely. I also agree that to admit that John P might be right would be a terrifying prospect.

            Patheos.com is a website probably familiar to many here. I searched it for “Trump” and a variety of articles from a variety of viewpoints from evangelical to progressive (whatever that means) come up and they are all eerily similar.

            Here’s a link, skip the first four that come up because they are ads. Actual articles start with the fifth.

            http://www.patheos.com/Search?q=Trump

      • “My family boast several in the LGBT community, who have taught me a lot about this.”

        Back in the day, Cliff, when people said “some of my best friends are ” it was a sure sign of prejudice against that group.

        “. Every human being on this planet from the sweetest grandma to the most vicious ISIS killer is first and foremost a child of God and we are called to love them, so this is not optional among us fillers of Christ”

        I don’t anything John has written contradicts this. I can’t imagine where you get the impression that John’s heart os not full of love.

        “They are not the monsters you say they are.” No one has called them monsters.

        “Mostly they are good people who want to raise their children in the traditions they grew up in and are disturbed to now be called horribke things because of that. ”

        If people are authoritarian, bigots, fascists, gynophobes, homophobes, isolationists, misogynistic, prejudiced, racist, rapists, sexual assaulters/molesters, transgenderphobes, white supremacists, and xenophobes and are upset to have these words attached to them, I can understand that. But it is still truth.

        The polls are in. The results are none. People voted for Trump, as vulgar and wretched a person as he is, because they are afraid their privileged life of bigotry is coming to an end and they are going to have to become inclusive people.

        My husband was an alcoholic. He didn’t like being told he was one. But it was still true of him. If he didn’t like being called that, then it was up to him to do something about it.

        If people are authoritarian, bigots, fascists, gynophobes, homophobes, isolationists, misogynistic, prejudiced, racist, rapists, sexual assaulters/molesters, transgenderphobes, white supremacists, and xenophobes and are upset to have these words attached to them, I can understand that. But Jesus never tells people to be these things. Anyone who is needs to repent because these are the not kinds of traditions people should be teaching their children.

        Jesus tells us to love our neighbors as ourselves as God first loved us. I can honestly say I love people. But that doesn’t mean I turn a blind eye to the hurt they inflict on others or the love they withhold. Jesus teaches us to pursue social justice.

        If people are authoritarian, bigots, fascists, gynophobes, homophobes, isolationists, misogynistic, prejudiced, racist, rapists, sexual assaulters/molesters, transgenderphobes, white supremacists, and xenophobes and wish to confess it, repent of it, and learn to be better people, I am 100% with them and will do everything in my power to help them grow spiritually.

        • Gloriamarie,

          ‘Back in the day, Cliff, when people said “some of my best friends are ” it was a sure sign of prejudice against that group.’

          I confess to being a straight, white, cis-gender man who grew up in the Evangelical church. I am not exactly in a position to claim sainthood. However, one of those family members is my own daughter. This isn’t “some of my friends are…”, this is about my own kid for whom I am willing to go to bat against anyone or anything, all right?

          “No one has called them monsters”:

          Your words above:
          “Apparently, too many of them refuse to see the evil for what it is because they agree with bigotry and a whole lotta other ugly sounding words I could use.”

          Sounds pretty monstrous to me.

          ” I can’t imagine where you get the impression that John’s heart os not full of love.”

          I can’t imagine where you got the idea that I thought anything but that his heart is full of love. In fact, that is exactly why I reached out to him in the way I did – not because I thought his heart is full of hatred, but because he is so full of empathy and love that I thought he could make a huge impact if he applied his gifts as I proposed.

          “If people are authoritarian, bigots, fascists, gynophobes, homophobes, isolationists, misogynistic, prejudiced, racist, rapists, sexual assaulters/molesters, transgenderphobes, white supremacists, and xenophobes and are upset to have these words attached to them, I can understand that. But it is still truth.”

          What if they grew up in a sheltered, conservative culture? Does naming them with these derogatory labels do any objective good? You seem to be saying that anyone who grew up with “traditional values” has to change their views – right now – or they must be subjected to labels of misogyny, racism, sexism, or homophobia, or whatever. Can you change your long-held beliefs that quickly? By no means am I suggesting that I would privately or publicly support their views, but I am experienced enough to know that change takes time, and is best accomplished through encouragement and conversation rather than browbeating.

          “Jesus tells us to love our neighbors as ourselves as God first loved us. I can honestly say I love people. But that doesn’t mean I turn a blind eye to the hurt they inflict on others or the love they withhold. Jesus teaches us to pursue social justice.”

          We agree on this. But that is not what I was talking about. I have not been suggesting turning a blind an eye on anything. If that is what you heard, then I apologize for that. What I intended to suggest is that John show empathy and compassion to these, my brothers and sisters, who have been led astray for years and now find themselves lost in the Trump wilderness and need a beacon of hope and love to bring them home to Christ.

          • “However, one of those family members is my own daughter. This isn’t “some of my friends are…”, this is about my own kid for whom I am willing to go to bat against anyone or anything, all right?”

            Good for you, Cliff. There are entirely too many homophobic parents who would never go to bat for their gay child. In fact a heckuva lot of them have thrown their kids out into the streets to fend for themselves.

            “Sounds pretty monstrous to me.” Yes, their behavior **is** monstrous. Identifying behavior is not the same thing as labeling. Did you tell your daughter when you had to discipline her that she was a bad girl which is says something about her identity or did you tell her she was behaving like a bad girl which places the emphasis on her choice of behavior.

            John P is not calling anyone any names, nor am I, nor are several others of us here. The name calling seems to be coming from those on the right.

            “I can’t imagine where you got the idea that I thought anything but that his heart is full of love.” From your words, Cliff. From your accusation of calling people monsters.

            “By no means am I suggesting that I would privately or publicly support their views, but I am experienced enough to know that change takes time, and is best accomplished through encouragement and conversation rather than browbeating.”

            So it’s ok for the Right to browbeat? Because right around the time Reagan was President, the Right has categorized, demonized, labelled, and stereotyped anyone who disgreed with them and cease to have conversations with anyone except those who agreed with them. Those who weren’t were attacked.

            I believe in honesty and truth, don’t you? If people choose to act as authoritarians, bigots, fascists, gynophobes, homophobes, isolationists, misogynistic, prejudiced, racist, rapists, sexual assaulters/molesters, transgenderphobes, white supremacists, and xenophobes, if they wish to embrace that behavior, then I am simply calling a spade a spade and not a shovel (or a club, diamond or heart… not sure which is raison d’etre behind the expression).

            “What if they grew up in a sheltered, conservative culture?” I see no reason why they should be allowed to choose evil just because they grew up in a sheltered conservative culture. Charles could probably do an excellent job of explaining why their culture should be allowed to excuse their heinous choices.

            “But that is not what I was talking about. I have not been suggesting turning a blind an eye on anything. If that is what you heard, then I apologize for that.” Yes, that is exactly what it sounded like to me. Thank you for your apology.

            “What I intended to suggest is that John show empathy and compassion to these” This stymies me. Because having read his blog for the better part of a year now, I know that John P is a man full of compassion, empathy, generosity, and sympathy. He can’t say everything that could be said in every blog piece or he would be repeating himself ad nauseum.

            Given that he lives in North Carolina, is a pastor in a non-denominational church, I would imagine that he deals with people from sheltered conservative cultures every single day. He would not still have a job were he as you perceive him.

            Is this the first of John P’s blogs that you have read? Asking out of curiosity, while realizing it is none of my business.

      • Cliff, I came from the Catholic Church, and I have many conservative friends. Many of them are Trump voters, but I wouldn’t call most of them Trump supporters. I can talk to them and be friends with them, but I won’t surrender my idea that Trump is a disaster. Even some of my conservative friends are now saying “this is not what I voted for”. I can reach out to them.

        But my outreach only goes so far. I can’t reach the “Trump’s victory is our salvation” people. Not going to happen.

        I cannot reach out to people that use Christianity to bash the LGBTQ community with malice in their hearts, rather that ignorance. Not going to happen.

        I cannot reach out to the organisations around my home that believe that LGBTQ people deserve mandatory “conversion therapy” or die. Not going to happen.

        Unfortunately that leaves little more I can outreach to than what I already have. The prejudices and bigotry here has just been energized to speak and act out. Their evil is hardening and setting into something powerful to be used against the powerless. How can outreach be possible in this situation?

  7. I find this interview embarrassing.

    http://time.com/4775040/donald-trump-time-interview-being-president/
    Read Donald Trump’s Interview With TIME on Being President

    President Trump hosted correspondents from TIME for a nearly 100-minute wide-ranging discussion on Monday, May 8 over a four-course dinner in the Blue Room of the White House. Joined by Vice President Mike Pence and two senior Administration officials, Trump weaved between topics and frequently went off the record. Excerpts from his conversation with TIME Editor Nancy Gibbs, Washington Bureau Chief Michael Scherer and White House Correspondent Zeke Miller are below:

  8. Thank you John for once again saying so succinctly what I believe in my heart has been going on for the past decade. I know that those who need to take heed won’t. They are too wrapped up in their alternate reality to allow the truth to touch them. I wonder if they will be so proud of their vote when this frenetic, con man starts a nuclear war. Or perhaps that is what they are hoping for, I have always suspicioned that the end of the world is what they are hoping for so they can watch us all writhe in Hell. Please keep these coming, someone has to speak truth and I guess that is you, Peace and Love,

    • Kathleen B, —

      I think you are right; many of them want to bring on everything described in Revelation, preferably in graphic detail while they have front row seats.

      While there are several varieties of apocalyptic expectations, Pence is well-known as a Dominionist, though they don’t like that term. Michelle Bachman and Sarah Palin are also in this camp. They follow the Calvinist theology of Rousas John Rushdoony who openly wanted a theocracy and was the originator of the “Seven Mountains” as a political strategy. I have not been able to determine whether or not this had any influence on the creation of the Powell Memorandum, but it is hard to see how they would fit together so perfectly without it. Pence also met privately with Metropolitan Hilarion of the Russian Orthodox Church on Thursday at the Summit in Defense of Persecuted Christians, an event scheduled to be held in Moscow last year, that was postponed and moved to Washington DC. Then there is the massive ransomware attack today that appears to have originated in Russia.

      Taken all together, it is hard to sleep at night, for fear of what might have happened by the time I wake up, even or maybe especially if Trump is removed/impeached/quits.

    • I have never seen a Christian want someone to go to Hell Kathleen. Where do you find that type of Christian? All Christians that I have known have wanted others to make it to Heaven and have prayed that others who seem to be on the way to Hell, change their ways. They would reprimand anyone for hoping to see someone “writhing in hell.” The only exception is that I have seen some who call themselves Christians hoping that Trump goes to Hell.

  9. Dear John Pavlovitz:

    Your analysis of President Trump’s temperament is correct. Equally clear is his inability to stabilize his administration.

    Those two points made, I see two problems with your article.

    1] To my knowledge, nothing that would be admitted as evidence in a US court has been presented in claim of the Russian election interference claim made by the most right wing Republicans [as John McCain] and the Democratic Party.

    2] Attempts to pair the suffering/jubilation of Obama/Trump experience runs afoul of the greater narrative. That narrative includes but is not limited to:

    Lyndon Johnson, who lied to justify expanding the war on Vietnam which resulted in the deaths of millions.

    Richard Nixon, brought down by the Watergate scandal and revelations of criminal
    activities within the United States and around the world.

    James Carter, who initiated the policy of financing Islamic fundamentalist organizations in Afghanistan to stoke a proxy war against the Soviet Union.

    Ronald Reagan, who led a government throughout the 1980s characterized by criminality, including the Iran-Contra crisis of 1986, which arose out of the administration’s violation of laws passed by Congress.

    William Clinton, who a bombing Iraq and first articulated the case for ‘regime change.’

    George W. Bush, whose administration arose through election theft, manufactured its own ‘version of the truth’ —aided/abetted by the New York Times itself — to justify illegal war against Iraq, and which seized on September 11 events to emesculate the constitution under the false banner of fighting ‘terror.’

    As for Barak Obama, he spent eight years overseeing a historic transfer of wealth to the rich, and will go down in history as the president who institutionalized the assassination of US citizens without due process.

    However valid identity issues such as race/gender/orientation/bigotry/etc. are in themselves, attempts to explain present inner-ruling-class conflict around that basis are exposed by a half-century of criminal malfeasance as a failed narrative.

    What ‘NEEDS’ to be said…

    1] The political crisis gripping Washington has far-ranging implications for the US and the world. In the center of world capitalism [the lead imperialist power], the state apparatus is visibly breaking apart, torn by conflicts and mutual recriminations.

    2] For the 90%, feverishly efforts will be made to promote anti-Russia hysteria 1] to further the interests of US imperialism, and 2] to bolster the teetering institutions of state against the rising outrage of the masses. Hence, the unending denounciations of information warfare.’

    In conclusion, this political crisis has all the characteristics of a pre-revolutionary situation. The ruling class is not able to rule in the old way, and the working class is not able to live in the old way.

    The breakdown/failure of the bourgeois Democratic/Republican party political system becomes clearer every day. There is no way out of the present, and any attempted solution will lead to catastrophe. That is the end to which capitalism leads the population of the entire world.

    Blessings!

    • We have outstripped our planetary resources with our western way of life and it’s no longer tenable for a large number of people. The “elite” are solidifying their positions to ensure their survival and continued dominance. We are simply tools to be used. The Russian scandal is real. It’s the cooperation of international elite to revert to authoritarian global rule and it’s well worth exposing.

      • Dear Another Cathy:

        The world has a wealth of resources. Capitalism claims the wealth of the world for the wealthy, creating artificial scarcity. The bourgeoisie indeed seeks to solidify its survival/dominance following its initiation of a post WW III .

        Russia has its own imperial interests and Putin is definitely a player; but if you’re going to say that the ‘Russian scandal’ is ‘real,’ you need to declare whatever hard evidence has been produced that would stand up in what used to be an American court. On that point, I’m calling your bluff.

        Blessings!

  10. I very much wish that the first commenter would tell us the current nom de guerre of Terrible Tom. He derails and distortsthe discussion so much; perhaps we could just refuse to be baited and ignore him. People who obsess over other people’s bodies and sex lives are so unhealthy.

  11. Leigh Williams, “Terrible Tom” posts under several pseudonyms including anonymous and Joe Catholic. Just for giggles, I’ve been keeping a list.

    Would you like to see it?

      • I’ve seen a couple of posts today that I suspect might be him, but I haven’t seen enough to detect the telltale signs. It’s really quite amusing keeping track of his various aliases.

        Here you are:
        Benny
        Joe Catholic
        Lone Catholic
        Let everyone be born
        Everyone has a right to birth
        anonymous
        Wayne
        A Catholic Perspective
        Bud Maunch
        La vida es como una sombra QUE pasa.
Lionel Hutz
        R J Grayson
        Gordon Nicely
        pj
        Uber Doofus
        The Right to Life
        Another name he used was Miss and I forget the rest
        Tom Cottone
        James T Kirk
        Mr.Spock
        Kim Jong-un
        Monsters Are Due on JP Street
        Ted
        Victor Stone
        AJ Ravinsky
        Pdiddle53
        Arthur Curry
        Schnickleberry Donkershonk
        Make America Great Again
        Trump Supporter
        José el Catolico (indocumentado-no le digas a Juan)
        Patrick
        Captain Justice
        José el Catolico
        JoeJoeJoeJoeJoeJoe
        Darth Vader
        Gandalf
        Joe Blow
        Shnockleberry Dinkerdonklage
        Winker Dinker
        Scatman Crothers
        Swheeeper Dinglehoffer
        Krinkledopper Weemperhaumpt
        No wonder people want to remain anonymous
        Theo Seeber real name
        Alexander The Gr8
        The Authority of the Church
        fighting the lies from the left
        Skippy
        Dear Daughter,
        Humility Grace Mercy
        Peter Piper
        Joe, posting from Patmos
        Christian Trump Supporter
        Ima Trumpfan
        Play Better, Holtby!
        Mother Teresa, aka Saint Teresa of Calcutta
        Auntie Feticide
        Harry Potter
        Lloyd Braun
        Nothing To See Here
        Bobby
        Joseph. A. Alfredo
        Ayn Rand
        Charles’ Conscience
        termyt
        TheROUSes
        I Love Going To Church
        God
        Black Unborn Lives Do Not Matter
        Cilohtac Eoj
        Abortion is a racist institution
        He who has many name
        The Shadow Knows
        Muslim Thug
        Terrible Tom
        Anonymous because people are mean
        Satan

        • I suspect you can add Joe Hudler to this list. His blog looks like an abbreviated, thrown together mess like what Joe has done in the past to make himself look like someone he is not. This time he is role-playing a fundie rather than a Catholic.

          • Anonymous is on the list, please note.

            I think you mean Steve Hudler. I thought that when I saw his first post. Sometimes I wonder if Joe/Tom has Disassociative Personality Disorder which used to be called Multiple Personality Disorder.

        • Dear Gloriamarie Amalfitano:

          It does seem that a host of people sign on only to vanish a day or so later …

          Blessings!

  12. Leslie M. claims that Hillary Clinton told the U.N:

    “[T]here can be no human progress without Abortion on Demand, and no country has reached that ultimate goal yet. Having free access to Abortion on Demand, — remains the great unfinished business of the 21st Century”

    And that
    “Progressives don’t even bat an eye.”

    We didn’t bat an eye because that’s not what she said.

    Leslie M. is a liar.

    • Leslie M would not intentionally change the words of a quote. She probably requoted someone else’s interpretation of what Hillary said. At any rate, what Leslie posted is very representative of what Clinton said to the UN if you boiled them down into a sentence. Here are the actual quotes:

      NEW YORK CITY, March 13, 2014 (LifeSiteNews.com) – Former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, who is expected to be the frontrunner for the Democratic presidential nomination in 2016, believes it is a “bedrock truth” that abortion restrictions hamper human progress, and any efforts to improve women’s rights must begin with increased access to contraception and abortion.

      Addressing the United Nations for International Women’s Day, Clinton told her audience, “There is one lesson from the past, in particular, that we cannot afford to ignore: You cannot make progress on gender equality or broader human development, without safeguarding women’s reproductive health and rights. That is a bedrock truth.”

      https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/hillary-clinton-tells-un-no-human-progress-without-abortion-on-demand

      • Sure Terrible, we all know how forgiving and understanding you all would be if one of us “requoted someone else’s interpretation” of what anyone said. At any rate, what Leslie posted is not at all representative of what Clinton said to the UN. Not unless you deliberately edited out the pertinent parts.

        I already gave you the actual quote of what Clinton said and the only part that was accurate was “bedrock truth.” Clinton did not say what the article dishonestly claims: “that abortion restrictions hamper human progress, and any efforts to improve women’s rights must begin with increased access to contraception and abortion.” That is literally a lie.

        What Clinton said, and all she said was: “There is one lesson from the past, in particular, that we cannot afford to ignore: You cannot make progress on gender equality or broader human development, without safeguarding women’s reproductive health and rights,” Clinton said near the end of a speech marking International Women’s Day. “That is a bedrock truth. This remains the great unfinished business of the 21st century,” Clinton said. “No country in the world, including my own, has achieved full participation.” No where does she use the word abortion.

      • Please use real news sources. Not fake news sources, Tom/Joe/Theo

        Notes: LifeSiteNews “is a non-profit Internet service dedicated to issues of culture, life, and family.” The website was founded by the Campaign Life Coalition which has a far right bias. Both sources are anti-abortion and opposed to gay marriage.

        Source: https://www.lifesitenews.com/

  13. I posted this comment on Facebook during the election:
    ——————————
    Once again I see the meme that Hillary Clinton is in favor of abortion up to 36 weeks.

    That is NOT true. You’ve been misinformed. The people who told you that lied.

    I understand her real position, for I too am a staunchly pro-choice, devout Methodist. My husband and I rejected amniocentesis for our twins; we refused the danger of miscarriage to gain knowledge we would not act on. My life, my womb, my choice.

    But our babies were delivered at 34 weeks because my life was endangered. That’s what happens when medical necessity drives decisions late in pregnancy. I begged for more time. My doctor was kind, but firm – pre-eclampsia was well underway. Delivery was now, tonight. Four doctors and surgical nurses were assembling as we spoke.

    Had the babies died, would that have been a “late abortion”? Who should make that decision, if not my doctor and my husband and I?
    ——————————-
    The link was to an August 6, 2016 Atlantic article titled “Hillary Clinton’s Moral Conflicts on Abortion”.

    • Thank you for setting the record straight. Along with Hillary the United Methodist’s got a bum rap. Peace and Love,

  14. I’m glad I found this site. It helps me see who is propagating false Christianity like John Pavlovitz. I wonder how many people he is leading away from the true gospel of Christ for his progressive and worldly views. It’s sad that people who claim to be Christian can be lead away by false teachers and still think they have any kind of relationship with God. Mr Pavlovitz is a great example of someone telling people what they want to hear instead of what God really wants them to know. Raising up teachers to tickle their ears with fables and sweet sounding lies.

    • My relationship with God is doing just fine, but thank you for being concerned.

      I do admit to considerable concern about yours, however. I’ll pray for you.

    • Steve H. ….i don’t think any Believers are being drawn away from the Gospel by pastor John (how could they be?). He appeals to atheists, and other non-believers.

      • You know leslie m, if being wrong was an Olympic Sport, you would be on the podium at medal time!

        Followers of Christ, are very much drawn here. People have been leaving your fundamentalist faith narrative for decades as they see the false doctrine and the law-giving nature of this “faith” you profess in the light of the actual teachings of Jesus Christ. You cannot hold a candle. You know who else appealed to atheists, and other non-believers? Jesus Christ. Read all about it!

        • Sandi, when I started to read this “You know leslie m, if being wrong was an Olympic Sport, you would be on the podium at medal time!” I thought I was going to see “You know leslie m, if lying was an Olympic Sport, you would be on the podium at medal time!”

        • I think it would be more accurate to say that JP draws people who are looking for a saccharine and watered down version of Christianity. They are not looking for salvation or for forgiveness or power to overcome their sins. They are looking for validation of their sins. They get that from JP and as a bonus, he also gives them a scapegoat in the form of Trump and his supporters, white people, and those who are striving to follow the Scriptures without editing them for the sake of worldly acceptance.

          Bottom line: He is leading people astray, but they are culpable because he’s telling them what they want to hear.

          • I really pity you, Joe/Tom. You project more than anyone I know. You exhibit more cognitive distortions than anyone I know.

            “a saccharine and watered down version of Christianity. ” Clearly you do not know how to read with comprehension because JohnP consistently calls people back to the Gospels, to the teachings of Jesus.

            You remind me of the rich young man who was told to sell all, give the money to the poor, and to follow Jesus but the rich young man turned his back and walked away, even though Jesus loved him because the rich young man didn’t hear what he wanted to hear.

          • Oh Terrible, how very wrong you are. If you think that the things John P convicts Christians of is “a saccharine and watered down version of Christianity” then your comprehension has been compromised!

            The Gospels of Jesus Christ are fairly exhausting. They cost us, they demand action and involvement far, far beyond church attendance and tithing. No one could work harder toward salvation, forgiveness or power to overcome their sins than following the straight and narrow path Jesus laid out.

            Nothing about following Jesus and the Gospels is validation of our sins. Quite the opposite. Jesus was a tough task master and he expected a lot out of those who claimed to follow him and it was not merely keeping the laws of the Pharisees of the church and supporting Republicans.

            Again, Trump is merely the symptom of the disease in the church, he is no scapegoat. He was predicted. Trump supporters are not “striving to follow the Scriptures without editing them for the sake of worldly acceptance.” Again, quite the opposite is true.

            Bottom line: John P is trying to lead people back to Christ and away from the worldly pursuit of political power, ignoring some sin to beat others into submission. YOU are just as culpable for your choices as we are for ours and I note you have YET to offer any Scriptural basis for your political action, sin ranking and judgmental attitude. None. Someone is clearly telling you what you want to hear. And you accept it without proof. Don’t blame us for that!

            • Sandi:

              … i have never heard anyone call Jesus a ‘tough task-master’, or say, ‘no one could work harder toward their salvation than following the straight and narrow path ‘…

              I have a complete opposite view of Jesus. He’s not a demanding boss, and ‘working’ does not enter into it (as if i could do anything to impress him). He asks for my simple faith, trust & my praises. I don’t find the Gospels exhausting at all. To me, they are a joyful vacation. This life is but a vapor.

              • You wrote- “He’s not a demanding boss, and ‘working’ does not enter into it (as if i could do anything to impress him). ”

                “When Jesus heard these things, he marvelled at him, and turned him about, and said unto the people that followed him, I say unto you, I have not found so great faith, no, not in Israel.”
                Luke 7:9 KJV

                Faith takes work.

              • Well yes leslie m, I am sure that is your opinion of Jesus and the Gospels because you do not live them. That explains so much of the disconnect that allows you all to be the law-abiding but not the message getting brand of Christianity. Good luck with that.

              • The reason you don’t think Jesus is a demanding boss, which He is, is because you don’t actually follow his teachings.

                For instance, I find “sell all you have and give the proceeds to the poor and follow me” rather demanding and apparently so did the rich young man, because he walked away.

                For instance, I find it demanding to clothe the naked, feed the hungry, care for the sick, provide for the needy rather demanding and yet you voted for people who believe none of those things are asked of them by Jesus.

                So please, get cozy with your warm fuzzies, but the warm fuzzies are not following Jesus.

        • Also, Leslie is at least partly right in that this blog attracts people who hate Christians and Christianity.

          • Jesus doesn’t like it when you lie, Joe/Tom.

            Oh, wait I forgot. According to you unless we are Roman Catholic we are not real Christians. So I guess you count leslie m among those “who hate Christians and Christianity.

            Except… that must mean you too are among those “who hate Christians and Christianity” because you have been attracted to this blog. In fact, were we to count the number of posts, you have probably been so attracted to this blog, as one “who hates Christians and Christianity” that you have written more comments than anyone else ever.

          • Terrible, between you and leslie, I am beginning to think you will turn this into a professional sport yet!

            Oddly, this blog attracts you both (I think because you know he is telling the Gospel truth), so what is doubtless true is that he hits a nerve and neither of you have ever offered a Scriptural basis for your fundamentalist beliefs that ignore so much of the Gospels nor the Christian Right Party involvement in the church to gain power and hurt people. Because you cannot and you know it.

        • Sandi.

          I said, atheists (non-believers) are drawn here. Which is a fact. Often people write , ‘I’m an atheist…’ and they mention how Christianity is a waste of time, and it’s full of myths. Like I said, many atheists enjoy pastor John’s messages. That’s not a put down.

          I’m sure there are plenty of Believers that post here as well. God knows, not me.

          Jesus is appealing to atheists –well at least the ones that repent of their non-belief. [Actual atheists, are repelled by Jesus.]

          • leslie m, I am going to be brutally honest here, because you deserve to hear the truth. You are not even a good representative for what you believe and why, but you certainly have not drawn anyone, nearer to the message of God or the teachings of Jesus Christ, so mayhap you should leave the intentions, beliefs and relationships of others to them.

            John P is a public figure who is on Facebook and has been published on many sites, so of course his message will be seen by and resonate with many, many people, including Atheists, agnostics, and believers and followers of Christ.

            Jesus is “appealing” to every rational human being. Some who claim him choose (as you have) to ignore anything he said, did or taught that messes with their Pharisee law abiding nature, but the appeal is real and it SHOULD attract Atheists, non-believers, believers who are struggling, been hurt and feel lost, but this blog also clearly attracts those who have loved and served God all of their lives.

            You trying to denigrate them because they are not one of you is just sad. And wrong.

      • leslie m, leslie m, leslie m….

        Why do you lie so much? “He appeals to atheists, and other non-believers.” You know perfectly well that many of us who read and love John P’s blog follow and love Jesus.

        However, given your commitment to a life of falsehood, I begin to worry for your mental health. You demonstrate a lack of orientation to reality.

          • Charles, are you saying leslie m considers us atheists and non-believers because we are not fundamentalist?

            • I am saying that this is most likely the case because believing that is a fundie tradition that goes all the way back to the early 20th century. They do not think Episcopalians, Lutherans, Methodists, Catholics, Quakers, etc. are Christians—and they are all going to Hell.

              • Thanks. I don’t know that much about Fundamentalists as the are well past the era of Church History with which I am most familiar. The only post-Reformation Church History I am knowledgeable about is the history of my own Anglican Communion.

                I guess that explains the condescending, passive-aggressive patronizing tone of her comments, then.

              • You got it. We had a fundie family in one of our churches, ticked everyone with Catholics in the family, because they kept say that RC was a cult and they were all going to hell. This was a Methodist Church that they were trying to change to Fundie. Lord help us from these know it alls.

                • Yes, I had a long conversation on Twitter tonight after I answered one of Trump’s tweets. This fundamentalist told me I’m not a Christian because I don’t believe as she does which, to her, is the only correct way to believe. I told her there are over 46,000 Christian denominations and they don’t believe the same way but, of course, that didn’t phase her. Only people who believe just as she does are ‘allowed to call themselves Christians’. You can’t debate someone like that because their head won’t come out of the mud.

    • Steve H, am I’m glad you found this site too. It can help you see who is propagating true Christianity, like John Pavlovitz, and who is not, like the evangelical church that has married the Republican Party to create the Christian Right Party. That choice is leading many people away from the true gospel of Jesus Christ in their thirst for power and control (and profit). Much like the money-changers in the Temple and the Sadducees and Pharisees who gave and enforced “the law” that Jesus so scorned.

      Jesus had progressive views and he opened up salvation to ALL people. I agree that it is sad that people who claim to be Christian can be led away by false teachers and still think they have any kind of relationship with God. But you all don’t seem to be bothered by choosing that state. And choose it you did, or Mr Pavlovitz would not hit so many nerves.

      Yours are the preachers who tell your people what they want to hear and in so dong ignores so much of the Gospel of Jesus Christ (and so do you) that you actually welcome the politicians into your church and choose people like Trump.

      What God really wants us all to know is that is not the way to salvation and it is not the way to God. Read the Gospels of Jesus and see what the commands really are.

    • Steve Hudler, apparently you are exactly the sort of person who most needs to profit from John P’s prophetic words.

    • Steve Hudler. I have two questions for you:

      (1) You said:

      “Mr Pavlovitz is a great example of someone telling people what they want to hear instead of what God really wants them to know.”

      My Question: What is God like emotionally, and what does He really want people to know? Whatever that is that he wants people to know, why is it so important for them to know that thing right now–today–instead of next week, next year, or five years from now?

      (2) You say that you were glad you happened upon John P.’s blog. I will increase your happiness by introducing you to my Christian faith blog at the following safe link:

      https://faith17983.wordpress.com/

      God bless you and have a nice day.

    • Steve, what is “false” about “Pavlovitz’s Christianity”?

      Could it be that he doesn’t see LGBTQ people as abominations? Is that it?

      Could it be that he is against people that show no compassion or mercy to those LGBTQ youths? Is that it?

      Could it be that he thinks Donald Trump is not “God’s own man” because Trump is not a Christian, does un-Christian things, and displays not a single ounce of compassion and mercy to those that don’t agree with him? Is that it?

      Could it be that he speaks out against those that use the Bible as a weapon to beat down, figuratively, people that the church rejects? Is that it?

      Could it be that he believes the outcast should be given comfort, compassion, and mercy? Is that it?

      Could it be that he sees racism and religious bigotry does not belong on Christianity? Is that it?

      Could it be that he doesn’t believe that Christians need to thoughtlessly recite “magic words”, with no meaning behind it, to get on G-d’s good graces? Is that it?

      Could it be that he believe faith without works is a faith without use? Is that it?

      Could it be that he is not obsessed with what people do with their bodies because he believes each of us answer to our sins individually? Is that it?

      Could it be that he doesn’t believe that giving to charity while voting to cancel programs to help the poor is bad? Is that it?

      Could it be that he doesn’t believe in beating up people about their sin when they are in pain and need help? Is that it?

      Could it be that he doesn’t believe in making America a theocracy and he believes that making America great has nothing to do with “America First” and bigotry and discrimination against minorities? Is that it?

      Could it be that he doesn’t buy into the fear of “the other” that famous Christian pastors and politicians are peddling. Is that it?

      Could it be that he believes the “prosperity Gospel” is false and the poor, sick, and vulnerable need our help and protection. Is that it?

      Please tell me which of these are heresy and “false Christianity”.

  15. “….the lion’s share of the President’s Evangelical, white base is perfectly fine with the world burning.”

    Those that I personally know are looking forward to it. The idolatry that I’m observing in Trump’s maga-sheep frightens me. They will be discarded when the are no longer of use to forward his interests. Trump doesn’t care about them and we will all be taken to the slaughter together: Liberal, apolitical, hard core Trumper. Doesn’t matter. We aren’t in their club. That’s the part that they truly don’t see.

    • I agree, if you are not the upper percent, it won’t matter who you voted for, you will go down. Being a trumper won’t matter. Peace

    • Another Cathy, “Those that I personally know are looking forward to it. ” That’s a terrifying image. Looking forward to the world burning? How messed up is that?

      As for idolatry, yes, that is exactly what it is.

      I keep seeing “maga” being used. I tried to google it but only found a politician with that last name and a corporation of some sort. What does maga mean, please?

    • One truly frightening thing that’s been going on for decades is the utter contempt for Science by right wing fundamentalist legislators. I’ve heard Republican legislators literally say that they don’t have to worry about the Climate changing because God’s going to come and ‘Rapture’ them first! Won’t they be surprised?

  16. that was the biggest problem for obama: there was a black man in the white house. and hilary? oh no, no one with a uterus and a brain!!!!

    • Absolutely right on both accounts. Can you imagine what they would do if Michelle Obama ran? My guess, heads would explode. Peace and Love,

    • As a Trump Supporter and a Republican, I would be totally thrilled if our next president were a Black Republican pro-life woman.

      Obama won because he was black. He got many passes because of his skin color. It worked to his advantage. Hillary also played the gender card to her advantage as did the complicit mainstream media. She didn’t lose because of her gender. She lost because she was a flawed candidate, besides the fact that it is very difficult for one party to retain control of the presidency for three terms.

      • No Terrible, Clinton did not lose “because she was a flawed candidate,” especially not next to the fetid Trump. Your point defies logic. But it does prove how deeply the Christian Right Party has reached. May God have mercy!

      • ” She lost because she was a flawed candidate, ”

        That is one of the most ludicrous statements you have ever made, especially since you first said “As a Trump Supporter and a Republican”

        The flawed candidate was Trump. Hillary was very likely one of the most qualified people ever to run for that office and her opponent was very likely the least qualified and very likely the least temperamentally fit candidate ever to run for that office.

        You like Trump because of who you are and you see yourself in him. Over and over, Terrible Tom aka Benny/Joe/Lone/Theo etal ad nauseum, you have demonstrated yourself to be authoritarian, bigoted, fascist, gynophobic, homophobic, isolationist, misogynistic, prejudiced, racist, transgenderphobic, white supremacist, and xenophobic.

        You showed no compassion to any woman or man who shared their story of rape, sexual assault, sexual molestation. You have demonstrated over and over that you have no respect for boundaries and limitations.

        Your ability to assess anything has no credibility. You worship Trump as an idol. You are exactly the person for whom everyhting John writes is aimed.

        Read, mark, learn, inwardly digest, and repent.

      • Dear Terrible Tom:

        You wrote: Obama won because he was black.

        Really? Is this based on any funded research? How is it that you are able to rule out the disastrous anti-Iraq campaign into which we were lied? How is it that you are able to rule out the 2008 crash as a factor in Bush’ defeat?

        Does any scientific inquiry lie behind this fiat, or are we simply supposed to take your word for it?

        Blessings!

      • Dear Terrible Tom:

        Hillary Clinton lost because far from offering any progressive platform, she epitomized corrupt Wall Street insiderism.

        Blessings!

  17. You cannot notice what-is and complain about it, and be a vibrational match to the solution. When you were living the problem, you were asking for the solution, and Source said yes immediately. So, there’s never a reason for you to be wallowing around in a problem for more than about a second? You can get so good at this that before you’re even aware that the problem has gotten started, you’ve already got the solution under way.

  18. Can you prove that. Let’s see your evidence that she works for Franklin Graham. I frankly find that hard to believe because Southern Baptists hate JP so much that she would be immediately fired if they knew that John Was her husband. Let’s see the evidence?

  19. Below you’ll find a link to the first 45 minute segment of a Dutch documentary released last week- about Trump’s past. I just watched it. It’s stunning- and illustrates just how much of an outright criminal he is. If you voted for him- you voted for the con (man) of the century- and you will pay for it in the end and likely with you life. Your integrity is however- already shot. And you shot yourself- especially if you claim white race or christian religious superiority.

    http://www.alternet.org/video/donald-trumps-financial-ties-russian-oligarchs-and-mobsters-detailed-new-documentary

    • Haven’t you heard Bruce? President Donald J. Trump is the ANOINTED ONE OF THE LORD. God reached out from Heaven with his own hand and personally anointed the orange head of Trump with HOLY OIL and decreed that like King David, a man after God’s own heart, Donald J. Trump would be President of the United States and force the people of the United States to submit to every whim of the Christian fundamentalists, conservative evangelicals, and the Religious Wrong.

      This is the current fundie narrative. But just you wait until this piece of Satanic crap runs its course and nearly destroys this country. You just wait and see. The fundies will be in a state of public shame before both God and man—and they will be severely weakened. That will be the time to strike and finish them off like decent Americans did to their ancestors in 1925—only finish the job this time.

    • J. Bruce Wilcox, have you seen the Time interview?

      People who already looked at portions of Donald Trump’s The Economist interview may have reached or exceeded their gibberish exposure level for the day. If that’s the case … oh, read this anyway. It’s too late for all of us.

      What follows are 100 percent real excerpts from Donald Trump’s conversation with Time magazine reporters Nancy Gibbs, Michael Sherer, and Zeke Miller on the subject of “what it means to be president.”

      http://time.com/4775040/donald-trump-time-interview-being-president/

  20. Is there anyone one here named Tom Hinkle?

    If so, a few days ago you asked to join my FB group, Gloriamarie’s Progressive Stuff. However, you did not answer the screening question or reply to the PM I sent you.

    No one gets in that group unless they prove they are not a spammer or a troll.

  21. I am almost afraid to turn on my SONY television anymore. Whenever I turn to a news channel, the only thing there is “The Donald Trump Show.” Each new episode has the same title as the 112 episodes before: “What Crazy, Lunatic Thing Has He Done or Tweeted Now.” I am really getting tired of “The Donald Trump Show.”

    This is a show that was not supposed to happen. I am a really good student of American history, and this was not supposed to happen. When the U.S. Constitution was drawn up in the hot Philadelphia summer of the late 1780s, our founding fathers worked very hard to ensure that a man like Trump would never be elected President. Thomas Jefferson did not believe that a man like Trump could ever be elected. He thought the American people would collectively always be smarter than that. Jefferson was wrong—but so was Alexander Hamilton. Hamilton and Jefferson did not get along particularly well. Hamilton believed that the only people that could rule wisely were the extremely smart who had become wealthy. Trump is wealthy—but he is clearly one of the stupidest SOBs who ever lived—and that is being generous. So, Hamilton was wrong too.

    While Trump was elected legally according to the U.S. Constitution, we have a man in the Oval Office whose whole mind and being are outside of the frame of reference our founding fathers had when they drew up the U.S. Constitution. A man like Trump in our White House just was not supposed to be—not supposed to happen—one of the things our founding fathers most feared might happen—but tried the hardest to prevent.

    Now here we sit. We have a U.S. Government that exists in a state of internal chaos from one day to the next without end. In my 64 years of following government closely, I have never seen anything remotely like this. We have our first and only TRUE IDIOT PRESIDENT. I have lost any faith that I ever had in our people and its government. Our allies overseas are shocked. We are vulnerable to our enemies—because when that famous 3:00 a.m. call comes—and it will come as it always does—our lives and our future are in the hands of a FULL-BLOWN IDIOT who has in 100 days demonstrated himself to be exactly that—and nothing more—and he has no ability—no interest in—-and no chances of becoming any better.

    It just makes me so sick I can hardly live from one day to the next—and it is not going to get any better for a long time—unless Congress wakes up and kicks him out of office. But once again, they are more interested in politics than they are in the American people and our country. I seriously believe that if the signers of the Declaration of Independence and the U.S. Constitution were to come alive and see what is happening now under Trump, they would all fall down on their knees and cry in shame.

    • Charles, that was perfect. I agree with every point you made and I am in fear for our country. I don’t know if we have enough in Congress with fearlessness and conviction for what is right for all of the people of this country. As I lay in bed unable to sleep, worried about my children and grandchildren’s future, I think that we don’t have those few good men and women. Peace and Love,

    • Dear Charles:

      Trump may be crazy™, but his Reichadistration is in my opinion better described as ‘Gangsterism.

      Blessings!

        • Dear Gloriamarie Amalfitano:

          I’m waiting to see if his CIA/FBI/Pentagon political opponents arrange a Wikileaks-style information release/attack on him. One wonders how the authority of the Oval Orifice could be reduced further, but as I say — I’ll wait and see …

          Blessings!

  22. Speaking as a white person, I have to learned despise my own kind and even curse my own skin color. I am sure that my so-called race will go down in history as the most legendarily evil, and I look forward to it.

    While I am at it, let me make the point of stating that I refuse to call myself a citizen of America, let alone Earth. I am a citizen of the universe who is more than to ditch this rock in favor of something greater.

    • I don’t care who it is, that person is sick, is not a christian and should be put away. That is disturbing by any standard.

  23. Just read over this blog. Reassures my decision not to be a so called christian. I guess the dude writing this is supose to be. I really dont give a s_ _ _ _. Just glad im not. My aeteist friends are way nicer than this. You guys need to drop the whole christian b. s. Seriously

    • You are sadly quite correct, we don’t make a good case for Christ, do we? We look pretty much like the world. That’s more than sad.

  24. Anonymous.. Jennifer Pavlovitz is a web designer & a digital development manager . Her Linkedin page notes that she worked for BILLY GRAHAM Evangelical Association [2006-2017].

    • Most likely she was not working for them as an employee. She was most likely a subcontractor or an employee of a subcontractor. If Graham had found out this was the wife of Pavlovitz, little could have been done if a contract had been signed.

      • Thank you, Sandi. I was aghast to see that information posted here. Some people have zero sense of appropriate behavior.

        • Besides which it would be so hypocritical to call out people for discrimination and then your wife discriminate against someone. If you work for the public you work for the public. Peace,

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  26. Most Important thing in life is Love for others, Respect for others
    True Concern that they Know , and have a relationship and are accountable to God, Thru Jesus Christ.
    With out this , there is no reason, season or purpose in life.
    All our efforts, actions, systems of mankind are as the grass of the field , they go away with time.
    But Eternity stands forever for all who trust, believe, put thier heart, soul , life in the hands of a true loving God . who forgives all sin. NO Matter What it is.
    Anger, Upset, wrath of mankind will not change this.
    YOU will never have peace until you find this relationship with God, Thru Jesus Christ

  27. Dear Anonymous:

    At a time when the surveillance/intelligence community increasingly sets itself against the Presidential Office and the state apparatus is visibly breaking apart, what do you see as the way forward?

    Any insight?

  28. We finally got that christian crap out of the schools but i guess we have to put up with the racist rants of this guy – whoever he is . Aethests dont set around and call each other names like 3 yr olds . I am far from a Trump supporter but you guys are anti everything

  29. Thank you John Pavlovitz for inviting civil discourse. Obviously there are impassioned differences of opinion noted here, but by and large there seems to be an attempt to communicate in a spirit of openness. Clearly if either side of the ship of state goes down, the whole ship goes. We all need to be bailing and manning the sails, not shoving each other overboard.

    • Dear Chuck Leach:

      As I see it, there is an alternative.

      The 90% rejects both the Republican and Democrat narratives and articulates its own, truly independent working class position.

      By the way, Anonymous — that is a Marxist/Trotskyist position. Few Christians [of which I am one] take that line; but by a very wide margin, most Marxists/Trotskyists are atheists.

      Blessings!

  30. I fail to see a problem with marxist view. Beats the heck out of your fussy juvenile christian stuff. Most of the people on your blog just criticize people then like a little crab going in a hole pulling the jesus card. Tomorrow another racist rant from the pastor

  31. You are so right on. Thank you. We will do all we can to love all and fight this insanity. One who loves the Lord, Mary

  32. Well folks. Tomorrow is Monday. We all get to ignore whatever else we are doing in life and tune in for the newest daily episode of “The Donald Trump Show.” No wonder the Russians wanted this guy to win!!! When Lavrov and the Russian Ambassador showed up at the White House, it looked like an old “best friends” reunion. Next week Trump has an appointment to meet with Pope Francis in a new spinoff show called “Melania Goes to Rome.”

    Just think. This is going to be like when the Irresistible Force meets the Immovable Object except it will be called:

    The HOLY SEE MEETS THE UNHOLY DOO

    And Now–a music break:

    Bruce Springsteen wrote this song. Others have sung it. However, the best version—by far—is the 10,000 Maniacs rearrangement of the song performed on MTV Unplugged (meaning acoustic instruments only) in the early 1990s. One really famous person is hidden in the background here. It is the girl with the long hair and violin. I forget her name, but she is one of the most famous background musicians in the United States. Maybe I should say famous for what she does in the music community but little known to the American public. She shows up nearly everywhere—pop, rock, country—you name it—always with that violin. Next time you see a band playing somewhere—look in the background and you might see her there. She is a lot older now—but still there. Here is the video—one of favorites—and no doubt on my personal Top 10 list. Turn up the volume on your computer and click to full screen for drinking this in:

  33. Today is the day the Lord has made, and we will rejoice and be glad in it! We had a great worship experience today on Mother’s day, and a wonderful Biblically based message from Matthew 6:9-13. Hope all of you had an equally exciting day.

    • Have a nice day in your middle school classroom today. Better lay off the smart phone or your teacher will confiscate it.

      P.S. Most current music sucks the big one.

  34. “Repairing the Damage of White Privilege”

    COMMENTARY
    By Rev. Dr. John Dorhauer 5-14-2017 | Series: Faith in Action
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    I have been writing, speaking, and teaching about the manifestations and impact of white privilege since I finished my doctoral work on the subject in 2004, and one of the more difficult subjects to address with white audiences is the question of reparations. While white people tend to frame the subject as a discussion about how much money is going to be taken away from them, there is another way to think about it. Getting white people to give up wealth is a bit of a non-starter, no matter how persuasive the argument might be for its justification.

    Another way to approach the subject (and let’s be honest, the subject of reparations cannot be avoided if we have any hope of realizing full racial equity) is to frame the discussion around what it is going to take repair the damage.

    That’s a different conversation, and one that will likely require serious discussions — not just about fair and equal access to wealth, but the redistribution of wealth. As we begin to honestly name the damage created by centuries of legalized discrimination, it won’t be enough to say we will rewrite the rules and stop advantaging white people. It isn’t enough to say, “from this point forward we will have equal access to jobs, homes, education, power, wealth, etc.”

    Malcolm X wrote: “If you stick a knife nine inches into my back and pull it out three inches, that is not progress. Even if you pull it all the way out, that is not progress. Progress is healing the wound, and America hasn’t even begun to pull out the knife.”

    Creating a new level playing field would be the equivalent of pulling out the knife.

    That does not heal the wound. That does not repair the damage.

    Damage includes a black male prison population that is fast moving toward one in every three of them having been convicted of a felony — and that felony conviction both stripping them of a right to vote in most states, and compromising their lifetime earning potential in every state.

    Damage includes decades now of real estate agents either refusing access to non-white families, or charging them higher fees while forcing them to pay subprime mortgages when they qualify for prime mortgages (and lest you think that was only something white people did before the civil rights movement, you should know that both Bank of America and Wells Fargo were recently sued for this very thing).

    Damage includes first nations peoples herded onto reservations, deprived of language, culture, spirituality, and land while entire tribes were wiped from the face of the Earth.

    Damage includes income inequity of close to $27,000 a year for white households over black households and a wealth imbalance of nearly 10 to 1.

    Damage includes centuries of enslavement, rape, Jim Crow, lynching, separate but equal, forced incarceration, and segregation all leaving the black population in America so far behind the earning potential and wealth capacity of a white population that benefited from every one of those legally permissible arrangements.

    Recently, the United Church of Christ wrote and circulated a curriculum on white privilege. It was designed to engage a largely white audience in conversation that prompted them to have higher levels of awareness of the manifestations and impact of their privilege.

    This is a different discussion than one about racism. Even the best-intentioned, good-hearted white people in America who have no racist tendencies left to speak of are beneficiaries of white skin privilege. Very few, though, are aware of that.

    This curriculum promised to engage those white audiences in substantive, meaningful, safe, and bold conversations about privilege. Ignorance of how privilege is made manifest and what it causes in terms of unfair access to and distribution of wealth is no longer an excuse.

    This curriculum did not promise to solve the problem of race inequity. White people cannot and will not solve this. You cannot ask the one who thrust in the knife to tell the one whom they stabbed when the wound has healed.

    At best, white awareness leads to white accompaniment, an alliance that commits to awareness, sacrifice, and justice as envisioned by those most damaged by white oppression through the time of the colonizing empires. The hope here is that white people who are hyper-aware of privilege will remove themselves as the last and most pernicious impediment to race equity.

    Damage is real. It is pernicious. It is present today — not merely a remnant of past atrocities.

    It is time to repair the damage. The election of President Donald Trump stands as white America’s last gasp at control — and a clear reminder that the work of justice is far from finished. I pray his election helps galvanize a movement in support race equity that not only removes the knife but heals the wound.

    by Rev. Dr. John Dorhauer
    Rev. Dr. John Dorhauer is General Minister and President of the United Church of Christ.

    https://sojo.net/articles/faith-action/repairing-damage-white-privilege

  35. Dear John Pavlovitz:

    So what really happened in the case of the vanished post?

    johnpavlovitz.com/2017/05/15/is-ivanka-trump-americas-advocate-or-daddys-little-monster/

    Blessings!

  36. Trying to navigate our political landscape these days is like walking on ice. It is hard to trust the ground beneath our feet. We never know when we will be caught off guard and start to fall. We are not in control of the situation and moving forward can be dangerous. The only option for stability that we have is linking arms with someone else. Together we can create some sense of balance and carefully walk our way out of trouble. When things get this slippery, we need to help one another regain our footing. We need to work together for stability and a new direction before our leaders take us out onto thin ice. —Steven Charleston

  37. Well, I’m sitting here, waiting for just one word of truth to leave your lips, John. Your enlightened thoughts and rantings are what God calls “vain imaginings”. You know that not one bit of it is true.

    What actually shines brightest is your hatred toward God — especially toward Jesus and His work of salvation; toward His true followers and the spread of His gospel. You scoff at God and belittle His followers, but He will turn it all back on you. Your small arena of popularity and the cult you form will wilt and die in the flames of His anger. Your words will vanish like a vapor. He will bare your soul to all. What a shame. What an embarrassment.

    There is no escape from His judgement — the accounting that you deny. You will immediately crumble in His presence. As it stands now, your father, the devil himself and his demons who whisper in your ear will be chained in hell right beside you — is that what you want?

    Has Satan lured you like he did Adam — to be as God himself? Have you cashed in your soul for the empty promise of eternal godhood? Have you fallen under God’s curse of spiritual blindness? That curse that He declares on every human being who will not acknowledge Him?

    Be careful while you walk through these few days on this earth. This is the lottery ticket for eternal life. You can cash it in, or you can throw away forever the opportunity that God is giving you.

    Hey, it’s actually pretty cool to know that, as believers, we don’t have that burden of sin and hatred any longer. Start asking serious questions. Start looking for the truth. Jesus claimed, “I am the Way, the Truth and the Life. No man comes unto the Father except by Me”.

    Stop resisting and give in to Jesus, John. It’s not too late at all. As long as you have breath in your lungs and the willingness to face the truth, there’s still hope. God loves you and does not want you to spend an eternity apart from Him.

    • Sorry Richard P, it seems you have more than a healthy dose of the “burden of sin and hatred” still churning.

      Speaking of “vain imaginings” it seems you nail that one too. John P is clearly speaking of “The wrath of God is being revealed from heaven against all the godlessness and wickedness of people, who suppress the truth by their wickedness,since what may be known about God is plain to them, because God has made it plain to them. For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities—his eternal power and divine nature—have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that people are without excuse.
      For although they knew God, they neither glorified him as God nor gave thanks to him, but their thinking became futile and their foolish hearts were darkened. Although they claimed to be wise, they became fools and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images made to look like a mortal human being” who would deliver the political power and control they craved.

      The Christian Right Party has “exchanged the truth about God for a lie, and worshiped and served created things rather than the Creator—who is forever praised. Amen.”

      John P is trying hard to remind the Christian Right Party who they are SUPPOSED to be serving and who they are SUPPOSED to be working for.

      Look hard at the Christian Right Party and those that stand with them in supporting and praising Trump. Do they really still “think it worthwhile to retain the knowledge of God?” Are they not, Trump included, “filled with every kind of wickedness, evil, greed and depravity?” Are they not “full of envy, murder, strife, deceit and malice,” not “gossips, slanderers, God-haters, insolent, arrogant and boastful;” …can you not see that “they have no understanding, no fidelity, no love, no mercy. Although they know God’s righteous decree that those who do such things deserve death, they not only continue to do these very things but also approve of those who practice them.”

      Read it in Romans 1, the Christian Right Party is lost, not John P.

    • “Stop resisting and give in to Jesus, John.”

      Richard Plotner, I can say the same for you. Trump or the great American Conservative Church is NOT your saviour. The Church that preaches fear of “the other”, kicks out people for how they are born and who they love has no Jesus in it.

      In the Gospels we read of a Jesus going out to the sinner, the outcast, the “lesser than” while reserving his harsh words for the Pharisees with their “OBEY! OBEY! OBEY!” while having no compassion, mercy, or even pity upon the sick, the poor, and the hurting.

      The Conservative churches that JP is calling out to change their ways from their authoritarian and strict taskmasters that believe Jesus condemns people who love differently than they do.

      Forsake them! They are for money and control and care nothing about you or Jesus. They have cast out us LGBT people and when they did that they cast out Jesus. Jesus is outside the church, please find him.

  38. I think it is sad that there is really no media to trust and no news to trust anymore….I have never heard so many different views on what is going on…
    It is like being in a funhouse looking in the different mirriors…
    Oh over here I am skinny, but in this mirror I am fat! Over here I am short,over here I am tall….UGH!
    I don’t know about the rest of you, but I am considering giving up on the news, and the media…since none of them seem to be able to keep their stories straight or give the truth.
    I bet the news, and media are all sitting back loving the hate they are causing between everyone, as long as they get their ratings all is good.
    Everyone wants to blame Obama and Trump and Hillary for all this hate and mess, but I think the news, and media outlets have fired it up so badly they have everyone now arguing which news is fake or true, on top of arguing about who they voted for and why their choice was right or wrong.

  39. My goodness, I can’t believe I didn’t comment on this already. Well, I’ll keep it short, because it took a long time to get down here. It never ceases to amaze me how every so many weeks it is easy to flip through previous posts and find a similar situation that you felt the need to comment on. One thing keeps occurring in circles: Donald Trump.He never changes. He never grows up. He is Peter Pan with an evil twist. We saw that on ABC last year, or so.How very strange this man is. He should not be in such a strong position of power.It’s more than just scary. It’s like national suicide. We need for this to end.

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