Trump Supporter, He Doesn’t Care About You

Can we talk for a few minutes, Trump supporter?

We need to clear the air if we can.

I imagine you probably feel like we’re the enemy right about now—those of us who are loudly resisting this President—that this is personal between us.

Well it is and it isn’t. 

Honestly yes, we’re still scratching our heads at the fact that you voted for him, but ultimately we have to trust that you came to your decision as carefully and thoughtfully as we did ours. This cannot be undone anyway, and so our fight is not with you in the past.

And yes, we’re frankly mystified that many of those who voted for him are somehow doubling down in their allegiance, even while witnessing what appears to us to be gross incompetence and a toxic malice toward the general population. You may even be one of these people still steadfast in your support—and yet this is still not what our fight is about.

The God’s honest truth friend, is that we are not at war with you—we are at war for you. We’re actually standing alongside you.

This is the simple, sincere heart of the battle for us; that when we say us, we are fully including you too—your future, your health, your family; the air you will breathe, the opportunity you have, the world you will walk into. It isn’t an either/or aspiration. It is not a matter of us winning and you losing.

You see, lost in translation across the divides of political parties and in the dizzying noise of partisan talk shows and social media trolls—is the reality that we are on your side, because we don’t believe there is another side to take. We are in this thing together; the 99.5 percent of this nation who were not born billionaires or have our names on buildings or be on Reality TV shows.

This resistance isn’t about some liberal agenda and it isn’t about the Democratic Party either. It’s never been about anything as small as that. This is about Humanity, of which you belong—a Humanity that is gravely threatened by this man and by what he is doing in these days to our schools, our healthcare, our personal freedoms, our national identity. 

We do this work and wage this war and engage in this activism because we know something:

We know that non-Democrats get Cancer, grow old, lose jobs, and need care when they are sick and disabled and depressed, too—and we know that when this happens, the fear will be as real, the burden as massive, the urgency as great, regardless of your politics or your religion or who you supported in the election. Tragedy, poverty illness, and desperation are nonpartisan in their visitation and they do not discriminate in the damage they do. 

And we also know that FoxNews and the celebrity evangelists won’t tell you any of this. Their business is to paint the world in the stark black and white of the good people and the evildoers, the righteous and the wicked, the America-lovers—and the Democrats. They broker in conflict, is their lifeblood. And this all-or-nothing, fear-saturated story they sell you never seems to include the fact that you are as vulnerable as any of us to the dangers we’re now contesting. In fact, we know that this may all mean you don’t believe a damn word we’re saying right now, but we can only say it and mean it, and hope you hear our hearts through the haze of fake news and pulpit damnation.

We don’t pushback against this man and his Administration because we believe that by defeating him we will somehow defeat you. It may feel that way when our outrage at what they’re doing begins to spill over into the things you believe to be true.

But anything we win for equality and diversity and opportunity right now is for you to share in fully—which is the point of all this. 

And that’s why the fact that you see this as a fight with us, that you believe we see you as the enemy is so unfortunate, because this is misplaced anger and misdirected fear and it conceals the truth.

Lost on so many of you right now, is the reality that those of us resisting this President care far more about your children than he does.

We care far more about you than he does.

He doesn’t care about you or your children or America or anything beyond himself.

The man who we resist will never want for healthcare, never find himself homeless, never know the struggle of the working poor, never be invested in this nation the way we are—all of us.

He is not for you or for America, friend.

And so to defend us—and to defend you—we will resist him.

Thanks for listening.

 

 

 

 

209 thoughts on “Trump Supporter, He Doesn’t Care About You

  1. So sorry, separation of church and state otherwise aetheists would be marginalized. Still no answer on immigration policy other than flowers and verses

    • Are you trying to be rude? Unless someone here is actively working in the field of immigration, you aren’t going to get the kind of detailed answer you are looking for. There is no point in insulting people for expressing the morals, ethics, and values that they hope any such policy would be based on. You will note that neither of my replies was framed as “my church says” as I am a firm believer in the separation of church and state.

      • Patricia, not trying to be rude. Keep writing good posts. You improve the blog. By the way I think the overall tone of John is negative and a bit nasty. That is my opinion. My family immigrated after the bad stuff and I am not white or republican but I get those insults occasionally due to some of my views. Have a great day!!

        • That’s interesting. Similar to how people understand different things when reading the same verse of the Bible (because we are all affected by our differing education and experiences), you see negative and nasty and I see generally positive and encouraging. One cannot be positive all the time and be living in this reality!

          I am English, Irish, Scottish, Welsh, something Germanic, Neanderthal, and Denisovan. My voting is flexible. I vote for the best candidate with the best ideas, and more importantly, a strong sense of ethics. I have never voted Conservative, but I have voted Liberal, NDP, Green and once even Rhino. Green is what is close to my heart, but one doesn’t always have a candidate.

          I get insulted because I’m female, but I have been happy to watch that gradually change for the better over the course of my lifetime. It isn’t perfect yet, but at least I have the advantage of white hair in that I am no longer harassed on the streets.

          • Patricia, you have made so many good points. And, you show you are a person of peace but still stand up for your convictions. I am not a person who votes one party either. Thank you for your comments about my name being same as people in your life.

            You have good reason to be deeply concerned about your neighbor to the south. Personally, I believe it is the politicians using people to gain power. A politician like Chuck Shumar or Nancy Pelosi gins up an anger among people. This “resist” thing is out of control. I’m afraid they are teaching our crazy right wing people some very bad habits. When our leaders start saying resist they are showing a level of incompetence. Everyone needs to follow the really awesome example of you and your Dr friend. I’m sure you don’t always agree, but that is okay. I’m sure you have seen the news clips of Berkley’s incident and other colleges here in U.S.A. They have a right to express themselves but you see a total disrespect for dissenting opinions and that is on both sides. We had a congressmen who called President Obama a liar in an open address. Both of our parties are led by incompetent people who put their own interests first for money. I’m not so sure they don’t get drug money from the open border. I have two points to make. I will make one now and the other later. REGARDING IMMIGRATION: There are somewhere over 40 million refugees in the world from natural disaster, war, hunger. How many can you afford to take? How many can any country take before it has no further resources? You would agree there is a limit? And, Canada has a Navy guarding the shores of Canada. I think controlled, and lawful immigration is good. Out of control open borders is bad. One question: (think about this a minute: If you were a bad guy such as ISIS and you wanted to get people across the U.S. border do you think you could pay the cartel a few million dollars to get that done? Is it a logical thing to suspect bad people with bad ideas would attempt to cross into Canada or U.S. if they could? I think our argument is not on immigration yes or no, but is on how to do it safely and fairly. Always stand up for your convictions as a women you matter greatly. None of us would even be here without you.

            • I agree that the sheer number of refugees seems to be an insurmountable challenge. Not every country welcomes refugees. Not every country is a desirable place to live. Many cultures want no challenge to their homogeneity.

              As with all things, you can look for ways to handle the result or you can look for ways to stop that result from happening. I don’t know how you could even do that given the sovereignty of nations. We can’t just go marching in at the drop of a hat. There are issues of culture, colonial attitudes, racism, religionism, etc. that mean that our efforts could just as easily make things worse.

              So we are left coping with the result. Despite the lies being promulgated by certain politicians, your country and my country both have very stringent regulations and policing of our borders, with the exception of the border between us. And that has been interesting of late. Ever since 45 was elected, people have been walking across the border into Canada through the unguarded stretches of wilderness. In January and February, we received as many refugees from the US as we do in 6 months. There has been talk of suspending the Safe Third Country Agreement that states that if a person arrives in a “safe country” they have to be processed there, which can take years, even if they were travelling elsewhere to join family. The people coming to Canada are generally refugee claimants in the US who feel threatened by 45’s policy changes. If the US rejects them and sends them home, there is every chance that they will be killed, so they run for Canada. Some people feel that these policies disqualify the US from being named as a Safe Third Country.

              As for bad people getting in, they will always try, and we will catch a lot of them. But systems and policies can and do have holes just as much as fences and walls. Smart bad people will find those to exploit. Border security will never be 100%. We do the best we can.

              • Patricia, isn’t it amazing that you and I can have a polite discussion on points we probably disagree on and find some common ground?
                From reading your post it seems you would look for a fair minded solution. The only thing I would not agree with you on is that you sort of say (my interpretation) that bad people with bad ideas will come in with or without walls/border security. I do think the degree to which we put effort into controlling the border will produce a better result. Immigration should never be stopped! Just controlled. Funny that U.S. politicians both parties are so dramatically and functionally incompetent they can’t find a solution or common ground to work for us. I think two things (and shame on me for thinking this). Our borders are open because they profit from drug money and they would rather see the country fail than to see the ruling party succeed. Both parties are guilty. So good for you and I for finding common ground. I have one more question for you. I will wait for your response as you may not want another question!

                • I think it’s kind of like a house. You can use the best locks, gates, guards and alarm system. If someone really wants to get in, they will. The purpose of the locks, gates, guards and alarm system is to deter and/or slow down petty criminals (and perhaps outraged lovers). In regards to border protection, keeping out the smart people who are being helped by people who do that for a living won’t be 100%. Absolutely try your best to keep the baddies out, but make sure while you are doing that that you do not abuse good people.

                  • Okay, Patricia! Well said. Here is my next question regarding welfare entitlements. What does the receiver of benefits owe to the giver? By that I mean I have a distant friend who enjoys smoking pot, he can work although unskilled. Hasn’t had a job in years. He is about 37. He receives government support such as food stamps. He will not go to college or trade school and get a trade because he says “why should I?” Is he entitled to be taken care of such as health care, welfare, government pension, etc? That is the debate our country isn’t having because our crooked politicians both parties are too busy arguing. Here is the worse part: People who really need care loose part of the care they need to the impostor & cheater lazy guy. Your thoughts?

                    • Tom, I know you addressed this to Patricia, but if I may?
                      This subject is close to my heart because I have been disabled and handicapped since 1995 and I depend upon Medicaid, Medicare, Rental Assistance, and the pittance I receive in SNAP.

                      I survive, but I do not thrive. I lose ground every day. There are things I need to thrive that I can’t afford.

                      Is that because of “People who really need care loose part of the care they need to the impostor & cheater lazy guy?”

                      I am troubled by the assumption of “impostor & cheater lazy guy” because I have been called that myself by people who resent it that I receive assistance that they don’t.

                      I am also troubled because I know that a great many people labeled as “impostor & cheater lazy guys” are really people who are in need of mental health care.

                      There is still a stigma in our society attached to mental illness which is a shame because no one chooses it. That’s a holdover from previous centuries when we didn’t know what we nowknow.

                      So I have to ask you about your distant friend… Is it possible he has tried in some way shape or form to communicate, at some time in the past, that he needed help? He may not have been clear about it, of course.

                      Also, as one who gets various Social Services, I can assure you that there are very few actual “impostor & cheater lazy guys” receiving these benefits. We are too strictly policed.

                    • I am glad that Gloriamarie got here before me to give the really good insider’s view.

                      Statistics show that the vast majority of people using assistance use it as a bridge. They didn’t need it, things went south, they did need and used it, they hauled themselves out on the other side in a better place.

                      Of course there are people who validly cannot hold a job who will always need assistance. Many of them paid into the system for decades. One car accident and any one of us could be there tomorrow. I am happy to pay my share to the system; in part because that is the humane and just thing to do and partly because I might need it. You never know.

                      And then there are a very small number of cheats. But the amount the cheats cost the system doesn’t even begin to match the amount lost to the system by people who cheat on their taxes (usually wealthy people).

                      You asked: “What does the receiver of benefits owe to the giver?” My answer is nothing. We do this because we value human life and we recognise that each person has worth. We also have to consider that people who are receiving benefits and who are not working may still be a benefit to society. They volunteer or provide listening ears. They knit for the preemie ward, etc.

                    • Patricia, what a great answer to Tom. In the early 1970s, I worked for Mathematica Inc and we were running a pilot program for Milton Friedman’s negative income tax in five cities, I think it was or maybe 4, in NJ. People living on welfare were given money, in addition to their benefits, that lifted them out of poverty. What were the results? A staggering 98% of the participants invested their extra money in education, job training, better clothes to apply for the jobs for which they were suited. It was a HUGE success but, alas, no politician would risk back it because of the bugaboo that it was socialism. Yeah, it was redistributing the wealth but with the result that people got off welfare. Were we to implement this, we could eliminate welfare.

                      “You asked: “What does the receiver of benefits owe to the giver?” My answer is nothing. We do this because we value human life and we recognise that each person has worth.”

                      Tom, I do not know if you consider yourself a Christian or not, but Jesus tells us to give as if the right hand does not know what the left is doing. In other words, we give with no strings attached. Will there be some people who will take advantage, yes, of course, but welfare fraud is not as enormous as the GOP want people to think. This is anecdotal evidence but once upon a time, I worked for a dentist who treated people who received Medicaid benefits. He had two prices for every procedure. He billed Medicaid twice what he billed anyone else because, as he explained it, he had to do that so that Medicaid would pay him enough because if he billed them at his normal rates, he would get paid less. That’s fraud.

                      There is a great article you can google: ‘Just How Wrong Is Conventional Wisdom About Government Fraud?” The subtitle reads “Entitlement programs, from food stamps to Medicare, don’t see unusually high cheating rates — and the culprits are usually managers and executives, not “welfare queens.”

                      Here’s another article from the nonpartisan, Pulitzer Prize winner, Politifact, “On average, 20 to 25 cents of every $1 spent on four government assistance programs is lost to fraud, Sen. Ron Johnson says” They find Ron Johnson to be a liar. http://www.politifact.com/wisconsin/statements/2014/jan/20/ron-johnson/fraud-claims-20-25-cents-every-1-spent-four-govern/

                      Are you aware that people receiving Medicaid and other Social Services are only allowed a maximum of $2000 of assets? In the case of an emergency, that’s not going to go far. There are computer programs written for the Social service agencies that do things like scan a person’s registered assets such as cars, bank accounts.

                      I know this because I recently raised money to buy my 92-year-old mother a new bed and my Medi-Cal social worker called me to verify that the money in my account had not been earned. I asked how did she know what was in my account and she explained about the computers constantly searching recipients info. We have no privacy.

                      “We also have to consider that people who are receiving benefits and who are not working may still be a benefit to society. They volunteer or provide listening ears. They knit for the preemie ward, etc.”

                      I have two Facebook groups I work at every day. One is Celebrate What Christians Have in Common because I believe very strongly that we spend too much time hashing over minor details instead of celebrating that we have much more in common than otherwise because we have Jesus.

                      My other group is because of my passion for social justice for all of God’s creation and is called Gloriamarie’s Progressive Stuff.

                      URL’s available upon request.

                    • Patricia & Gloriamarie Amalfitano, I can’t answer you quickly. You both have made some great points. I will respond tomorrow. You gave me alot to read. Glad you jumped in Gloriamarie . You have much to contribute. I probably don’t agree with everything but I agree with your right to express. I am a veteran!

                    • Thank you for your service, Tom.

                      I look forward to continuing the conversation.

                      As an impoverished person who is a recipient of Social Service benefits, I have a very different POV from the critics of these services. I wish critics would try living as we poor people are forced to live. I wish people would open their ears, eyes, hearts, and minds to the reality of living in poverty.

                    • My answer:

                      1. Persons with disabilities cannot be equated with single mothers, non working men, under employed, etc. Our disabled citizens need to be taken care of. Their assistance should be far more than the others.
                      2. Mental health care should be available and work toward removing the stigma is vital (Our lazy government both parties can work on that).
                      3. Any Maximums applied to assets for disabled persons needs to be raised immediately.
                      4. We as a society need to be sure our disabled citizens enjoy the full range of benefits. Thankful for ramps, bathroom modifications, etc. And, they need more compensation!
                      5. And yes, my lazy friend does have mental issues that good mentoring would cure.

                    • My answer: Gloriamarie Amalfitano

                      1. Persons with disabilities cannot be equated with single mothers, non working men, under employed, etc. Our disabled citizens need to be taken care of. Their assistance should be far more than the others.
                      2. Mental health care should be available and work toward removing the stigma is vital (Our lazy government both parties can work on that).
                      3. Any Maximums applied to assets for disabled persons needs to be raised immediately. Disabled persons need to be able to earn money if possible, keep it and not pay taxes on it, while receiving benefits. (Up to a maximum).
                      4. We as a society need to be sure our disabled citizens enjoy the full range of benefits. Thankful for ramps, bathroom modifications, etc. And, they need more compensation!
                      5. And yes, my lazy friend does have mental issues that good mentoring would cure.

                    • Tom, I am in agreement with you for points 1 through 4. Not knowing the gentleman in question, I shall refrain from any consideration of point 5.

                    • To: Patricia Bush, Okay, here is my answer on what the recipient owes the state:
                      1. Everyone feels a sense of worth when the contribute.
                      2. A welfare mother should be tested to see what her strengths are. She should then be given a paid opportunity to obtain vocational training and worked toward ability to earn a respectable income.
                      2. A lazy guy who won’t work should be required to work for his municipality 20 hours a week for example. Wash a police car, paint a room, anything to build within that person a sense of worth. Might also prepare meals for homeless.
                      3. If you are able bodied you can contribute in some way. By participating your self esteem rises and you feel you have contributed.

                      4. All persons working hand in hand with their case worker would be assessed on strengths and guided toward a good paying career such as plumber, brick mason, electrician, mechanic.
                      5. We ask participators in entitlement systems do this not to pay back – but to grow beyond their current opportunity level and to have them become the awesome person they can be. Watching people excel is beautiful. Watching my freind set on the creek bank drinking beer with no direction in life isn’t pretty. He does this because partly emotional dysfunction and partly because of a feeling of defeat.
                      6. If there is money to be made washing a police car, feeding the homeless the person should be able to keep that money and his government check.

                      I don’t know if I will win you over Patricia. You think with your heart and that isn’t bad. You are heavy on compassion and faith in people. We just have this little difference

                    • Tom, I don’t see much of anything that I would disagree with, but I can see some real struggles in application. I think your fight might be more with the “pull yourself up by your own bootstraps” society. They don’t allow for shades of grey, for varieties of experience, for different strengths and aptitudes.

                    • Patricia, I will make one more run at persuading you a little bit. Ask your Dr friend at dinner if these are true:

                      1. It is built within the psychology and physiology of every person to want to succeed and build or do something they can be proud of. There is no one who endeavors to be a looser.
                      2. Societies objective should be able to help the helpless, but at the same time to show the helpless how to help themselves.

                      3. I recently saw this A woman with a prosthetic leg walked across an obstacle course. Her boyfriend/husband (not sure) reached out a hand to help her across a narrow walk. He had one leg also. Just about brought tears. That is the picture. I would not have wanted him to leave her on the side but to equip her. Every person wants to matter. Free handouts destroys that inner desire to matter! Look at what our government has built in inner cities with gov housing, an welfare. Slums for the most part. Those dear people would prefer an education, or their own business. Have I moved my Canadian friend?

                    • Tom, I am not sure why you think I need persuading. I haven’t presented any disagreement to your suggestions.

                    • Patrica, well golly gee your friend south of the border can’ t follow a thread!!! I thought I was responding to your post on this date: JUNE 1, 2017 AT 10:50 PM. Somehow I thought you were not in agreement with my suggestions. Be patient – we are changing the world!

    • What part of “off-topic” is too sophisticated a concept for you to grasp, Tom?

      If you want a discussion about immigration policies, go start your own blog and cease your attempts to detract from John P’s important message.

      Do you want evidence, facts, history, and truth? Join the group below. But if you attempt to troll it, you will be blocked so fast your head will spin.

      One way to persist in resistance is my FB group, Gloriamarie’s Progressive Stuff, where I post actions, petitions, info, actual news, evidence, facts. There’s a pinned post that I highly recommend people read. I also ask a screening question so I can keep the spammers and the trolls out. All who read this are invited.

      https://www.facebook.com/groups/gloriamariesprogressivepetitions/

      • We really aren’t off topic. John ask for a conversation with Trump people. This is a conversation. (Even though I’m not a Trump people.

        • Immigration is as much off-topic as is abortion and homosexuality.

          One way to persist in resistance is my FB group, Gloriamarie’s Progressive Stuff, where I post actions, petitions, info, actual news, evidence, facts. There’s a pinned post that I highly recommend people read. I also ask a screening question so I can keep the spammers and the trolls out. All who read this are invited.

          https://www.facebook.com/groups/gloriamariesprogressivepetitions/

          • I took my Q from this heading on the blog post “Can we talk for a few minutes, Trump supporter?”

            So we are having a talk about our differences so hopefully to find common ground. Anything that divides us is on topic as good communication builds friendships and
            strength.

            • My apologies, Tom. My inbox has been overrun by a deluge of email notices of comments to the No, White Friend… and I never noticed that you were commenting on a different piece.

              Immigration… Where I live there is a border fence. People use it as a volleyball net. People also climb over it and under it. It doesn’t keep people out. If a wall were to be built, it would be the same thing except for no volleyball. Therefore the wall would be a huge waste of the taxpayers’ money.

              Speaking of taxpayers’ money, Trump is spending it profligately. Every time Obama took a vacation, the GOP were up in arms at the waste of taxpayers’ money. However, when Trump treats the Presidency as if it were a part-time job and is off to play golf more weekends than not, no one in the GOP says a word.

              While I am at it, Trump would tweet nasty comments about Obama playing golf, saying, among other things, that if he, Trump, were President, he’d never take time off to play golf.

              Obama played golf 41 times in eight years. Trump has played golf 21 times as of May 6, not even four months into office.

              This is costing the taxpayers’ a staggering amount of money, not to mention the inherent conflict of interest that he is playing at his own resorts and all of the entourage have to pay those resort fees.

              Speaking of conflict of interest, there is the fact that the Secret Service has to pay rent in the Trump Tower while guarding Melania and Barron.

              • One big mistake Trump has made is to be unkind in many of his comments. People of the nation are generally fair and good minded. A course message helps no one. I saw Obama playing golf but if I had the job I would want to get away too.

                • That Trump has been unkind in many of his comments is not news. He has been unkind to people for decades.
                  If the “people of the nation are generally fair and good minded” then it seems to me he would never have gotten any votes on the primaries. Clearly, his nastiness resonates with what I consider too many people.

                  You missed my point about golf. In 8 years, Obama played golf 41 times. In less than 4 months, Trump has played it 21 times.

                  Additionally, he is spending the taxpayers’ money like water.

              • I think if a country (no matter which country it is) If it can’t control its border is probably pretty much on the way out as a viable country. I’ve crossed in California with and without papers and have friends who told me they walk across willy nilly. Some are good folks looking for a better life and some are stinkers who will hurt you and I. If we are unable to do anything at all about that we are in a pickle.

                • Tom, the simple matter is that it is impossible to 100% control our borders and wasting a whole lotta money on a wall isn’t going to provide that control as the border fence has proven.

                  Instead of concentrating on the symptom, why not look at the actual problem. What causes people to flee their homes and seek refuge elsewhere?

                  Maybe if humanity got together to seek world peace, end hunger, end poverty, cared for the sick, clothed the naked, educated the population, we would not have people without documents desperate for a new home.

                  So-called illegal immigrants are really not going to commit crimes and call attention to themselves.

                  “But several studies, over many years, have concluded that immigrants are less likely to commit crimes than people born in the United States. And experts say the available evidence does not support the idea that undocumented immigrants commit a disproportionate share of crime.”

                  https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/26/us/trump-illegal-immigrants-crime.html?_r=0

                  • You are right. 100% is not possible. What causes people to flee their homes? Some is fixable and some is not. I don’t think Venezuela leader is open to outside help of any kind other than cash. There are some countries that would welcome help on their economy, infrastructure and education. Good point that is where some effort needs to go. The majority of illegal border crossers are good people trying to make a life. I personally can solve our immigration problem in 30 seconds. The incompetent government can’t. Very easy fix. Available upon request!

                    • I am very disappointed in Trump’s inability to say “White Terrorism.”

                      White Terrorists Killed More Americans This Week Than Refugees Have in 40 Years
                      While Donald Trump’s been outrageously riling up his base with an Islamophobic Muslim Ban, he’s been all but silent on the recent surge of white, right-wing terrorist attacks in America. In this past week ALONE, white terrorists have killed more Americans than refugees have in 40 years.

                      Just in the span of the past few days, our nation has been racked by two separate Trump-inspired terrorist attacks. Yet our Idiot-in-Chief has the gall to go before the American people and the people of the world and lecture about “Islamic terrorism” when it’s his OWN supporters who are the biggest terror threats to the homeland.

                      First, Trump-thug white supremacist Jeremy Christian killed Taliesin Namkai-Meche and Ricky Best on a Portland train after the two individuals attempted to stop Christian from attacking two Muslim women. Then, Sean Urbanski, a member of the Facebook “Alt-Reich” page, stabbed black U.S. Army Lieutenant Richard Collins III to death on the University of Maryland campus in an obvious hate crime.

                      http://www.learnprogress.org/white-terrorists-killed-americans/

          • Since you brought up abortion and homo sexuality here are my views. Abortion is the law. Equal rights for all is the law. The law is the law. If someone doesn’t like the law they can try to change it. But, you can’t deny the law in a secular state with religious over rides. That is something I think everyone would agree on. It is the law.

            • Tom, I am 100% in favor of separation of church and state and 100% against any one religion attempting to use the law to force the populace to conform to any one religion’s standards for behavior.

              I am 100% in favor of social justice for all of creation. I am 100% in favor of dismantling white privilege. I work for these things every single day. You are welcome to join that endeavor.

              One way to persist in resistance is my FB group, Gloriamarie’s Progressive Stuff, where I post actions, petitions, info, actual news, evidence, facts. There’s a pinned post that I highly recommend people read. I also ask a screening question so I can keep the spammers and the trolls out. All who read this are invited.

              https://www.facebook.com/groups/gloriamariesprogressivepetitions/

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  3. “Honestly yes, we’re still scratching our heads at the fact that you voted for him, but ultimately we have to trust that you came to your decision as carefully and thoughtfully as we did ours. ”

    No. They didn’t.

  4. John,
    Thanks for your concern and fighting for my well being. I am an Atheist with a six figure income and somewhat literate. I am also a lifelong liberal person who now sees the truth of the republican and democrat parties.
    We had two chooses for change in the last election and neither of them where nominee from the Democrat party.
    Good luck with your fight, but the truth is we have already won all the major social justice issues of this nation. Now the left just makes up causes(BLM, Global Warming, Trans Bathrooms) to try to divide and outrage.
    #MAGA is the real fight for the future of this country.
    I initially supported Bernie, but Bernie was to nice and would have failed to make any significant change, just like he has failed to call out the complete corruption of the Democrat Party.
    I feel sorry for the non-#MAGA people your are lost in a bubble of fake outrage.
    The President is attempting to thread a needle on health care, it is the promises that he made during the campaign, preexisting conditions, coverage for children to 26, that has prevented the Republicans from repealing Obamacare outright and without any Democrat Party support he has no chose but to really on the Republicans.
    So I will continue to stand by the only hope for change we have seen in this country since the election of Jimmy Carter. The change that caused me to initially support President Obama, to my disappointment.

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