Kathy’s Griffin’s Other Big Mistake

Kathy Griffin made a huge mistake.

She posed for a graphic photo session with a beheaded President Trump mannequin.

It was vile.
It was repulsive.
It was misguided.
It was irresponsible.
It glorified violence.
It was a terrible, unfunny attempt at humor.
It was beyond defense.

Griffin immediately followed up the spectacularly awful decision with a profuse, pleading apology. She was terminated by CNN and has been deservedly criticized.

But the photo itself wasn’t her biggest mistake, at least career wise. I’m afraid that her biggest mistake was not being a professed Republican or a devout Christian.

Had she been, FoxNews and Breitbart and Ann Coulter would have rallied around her this week, instead of condemning her like most people on the Left did.
She’d now be the subject of GoFundMe campaigns and Blaze.com fluff pieces.
Members of the GOP House and Senate would have explained Griffin’s actions away as artistic statements or misunderstood jokes or “being a straight shooter.”
Partisan trolls would have derided her critics online, calling them “libtards” and “snowflakes.”
Celebrity preachers would have miraculously managed to give God the glory for showing his Old Testament ferocity through her.
Christians would have lectured those outraged, about Jesus commanding us to forgive her and chastising them to “get over it.”
Ted Nugent would have praised her from some state fair shed stage, to the raw throated howls of his sweaty sycophants.
Sean Hannity would have called for CNN to be boycotted for trampling on Griffin’s First Amendment rights.
She’d be a revered, stained glass martyr right now, instead of a pariah.

And if she’d been a darling of the far Right, the sickening, violent, ineloquent display of the photo session would likely have sent her on her way to stardom. It may have been the launching of her campaign and brand. She might soon find herself courted by donors and sucked up to by Ted Cruz and invited to speak at Christian Universities.

And if she doubled down on such viciousness, and tossed in some American flags and red hats, and a bit of hate speech about immigrants and Muslims and gays—well she may have one day received the GOP Presidential nomination, instead of being terminated and publicly denounced.

And that’s the most offensive thing about Kathy Griffin’s photo shoot and the response to it. Yes, she did do something repugnant, and yes she crossed the line of decency, and yes it was tasteless. It was the very thing good people usually want no part of. I’m with them.

Yet my great fear is that if she’d only chosen a different object of disdain. If only she’d picked on, oh I don’t know—Barack Obama or Hillary Clinton or Sally Yates—she’d actually be thriving right now. She could have been be set up for a position as a future White House advisor or Attorney General. She could have been setting the stage for a 2020 run for the Presidency fully backed by Christians. That’s seems to be what happens when people do horrible things now: they win things; things like pastor endorsements and Montana elections.

Kathy Griffin’s decision to pose with an effigy of Donald Trump is indefensible. That’s why you don’t see anyone defending it, certainly not me. Yet sadly, I’m more and more convinced that had she been a FoxNews anchor targeting a Democrat—there would be a line of the faithful a mile long, defending her and applauding her and saying that she’s “making America great again.” 

Griffin should be universally chided for the mistake she made, from those on either side of the aisle and of every religious affiliation. And she has been.

Now, if only we could see a similar nonpartisan objection to words, behaviors, and policies that promote bigotry, racism, misogyny, homophobia in places where they really are a matter of life and death.

If only we could corporately condemn things that devalue humanity, that harm children, that nurture violence, wherever it comes from—whether Hollywood photo studios, White House Press rooms, or Presidential Twitter accounts.

If we all actually held our elected officials and our President to the same standards of decency, character, and goodness that we do a New Year’s Eve entertainment commentator—we may actually find the greatness we’re lacking. We might become the best version of our nation that we are capable of.

FoxNews declared that Griffin was fired because her photo “repulsed the country.” It’s notable how high their threshold is for repulsion when the offenders and the targets are different, and that is the point.

There rightly was nonpartisan condemnation directed at Kathy Griffin this week. We might take some of that shared outrage and turn it toward the future of our country, at those whose stewardship of our health, well-being, and our very lives—is truly offensive.

 

 

 

 

187 thoughts on “Kathy’s Griffin’s Other Big Mistake

  1. Kathy Griffin is a demon possessed woman. She is vile and vicious, and I’m glad that liberal CNN fired her behind! Now, I hope that she will be arrested for depicting a sitting President as one who had been beheaded, and you can be sure that the Department of Justice is looking into it.

    • Is the DOJ also looking into Louis XVI and Marie Antoinette? The French have all sorts of images of that moment. Do we charge them with a crime—possession of historical engraved plate printings. Get real bozo.

  2. You eloquently expressed my 2 am thoughts. I am sad that Kathy did this, but even more saddened that my state elected a proponent of violence and his “christian” supporters defended him. I am more saddened that our nation elected a president who bragged that he could shoot some one on the street, and that bragged about assaulting women, and I know “christans” who defend him and place their hope in him to create a safer nation for our children. How do supporters not see the irony and hypocrisy here? My Christian faith gives me hope and I know Jesus’ message is a difficult path. Thank you John for continuing to speak to the Christian faith that is of Christ and not the version cloaked in greed and power that has taken over our national institutions.

    • And people who defended Kathy Griffin and her right to free speech did not defend her sins or decisions either.

      Joe C, you are such a poor example of a Christian that it is hard to credit where you have any standing to claim it is John P that is being “divisive” or not preaching the Gospel of Christ but if that is what you come here for, mayhap you need to look into why you are not getting that need met in your own church and leave John P alone. He is not your pastor, he is not in your church , he is not even Catholic. Go tell your own church of the horrible track record how to behave before you start trying to tell others!

      If you can defend your support for the vile, evil, ignorance of Trump, that is on you. Do not expect absolution for that choice.

  3. Again John Pavlovitz shows his hatred toward Christians, conservatives and Republicans with this tripe. He also gets it wrong. The only celebrity he can mention is Ted Nugent’s NOT REALIZING THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN speech and actions. Ignoring the myriad of ‘comedians’, actors and other celebrities that have said vile things about President Trump. Sean Hannity has defended Bill Mahr’s right to say the vile things on the air and never called for Bill’s firing. John conveniently forgets the nasty things said about President Bush as if saying horrible things about the President began with Conservative in 2008. This ‘they would have done it too’ logical fallacy along with false equivalency, poor comparisons is standard for liberals.

    Instead of chiding those on the left for such hate speech, instead to encouraging people to dwell together in unity, instead of giving practical guidelines to be more civil to those who disagree with you, John has fueled hate. Logic and facts are his enemies. There is no evidence of the Love of Christ in this man by what he writes. Very Sad

    • “Instead of chiding those on the left for such hate speech, instead to encouraging people to dwell together in unity, instead of giving practical guidelines to be more civil to those who disagree with you, John has fueled hate. Logic and facts are his enemies. ”

      Well said. He seems to have an aversion to logic and facts. Emotional arguments are his only weapon.

      • Please tell me how your assertion, Jeff, is supported bu these three paragraphs which seem to say the exact opposite of wht you assert?

        “Now, if only we could see a similar nonpartisan objection to words, behaviors, and policies that promote bigotry, racism, misogyny, homophobia in places where they really are a matter of life and death.

        “If only we could corporately condemn things that devalue humanity, that harm children, that nurture violence, wherever it comes from—whether Hollywood photo studios, White House Press rooms, or Presidential Twitter accounts.

        “If we all actually held our elected officials and our President to the same standards of decency, character, and goodness that we do a New Year’s Eve entertainment commentator—we may actually find the greatness we’re lacking. We might become the best version of our nation that we are capable of.”

    • Was it is all the conservatives here choose to ignore the three most crucial paragraphs in this essay, which are a call for nonpartisanship, a call to work together for the common, a plea for peace and understanding?

      Is it because the conservatives here do not desire these things? Do they prefer rancour, argumentativeness, divisiveness?

      Here are the three paragrphs I think too many people conservatives and liberals overlook:

      “Now, if only we could see a similar nonpartisan objection to words, behaviors, and policies that promote bigotry, racism, misogyny, homophobia in places where they really are a matter of life and death.

      “If only we could corporately condemn things that devalue humanity, that harm children, that nurture violence, wherever it comes from—whether Hollywood photo studios, White House Press rooms, or Presidential Twitter accounts.

      “If we all actually held our elected officials and our President to the same standards of decency, character, and goodness that we do a New Year’s Eve entertainment commentator—we may actually find the greatness we’re lacking. We might become the best version of our nation that we are capable of.”

    • David, you’re correct! John hates Christ, Christians, and the Christian Church worldwide……unless you approve of homosexuality (I think he’s gay) and SSM. Every chance he gets, he ends up denigrating Christians and Conservatives. This man is potent with his deep seated hatred. Then you have to deal with his sick and insecure surrogates, people like big girl, Glorida, Sandi, Kathleen B, and a few others. Any time you write something and it doesn’t agree with John, you can take thisto the bank that Gloria, Kathleen B, and Sandi, will have a majoy meltdown and hissy fit!

      • Hiya, Joe/Theo, I’ve been busy having a life so have not read many of the comments so I’ve probably missed many of your aliases.

        You claim you want a pastor to preach “unity” and yet when he does, you choose to overlook it.

        Here it is again ““Now, if only we could see a similar nonpartisan objection to words, behaviors, and policies that promote bigotry, racism, misogyny, homophobia in places where they really are a matter of life and death.

        “If only we could corporately condemn things that devalue humanity, that harm children, that nurture violence, wherever it comes from—whether Hollywood photo studios, White House Press rooms, or Presidential Twitter accounts.

        “If we all actually held our elected officials and our President to the same standards of decency, character, and goodness that we do a New Year’s Eve entertainment commentator—we may actually find the greatness we’re lacking. We might become the best version of our nation that we are capable of.”

        Of course, with your callous disregard of out stories of rape and sexual assault a few weeks back, you demonstrated to us that decency is not to be expected from certain dissenters on this blog.

        To work toward the goals John P would liekm us to work toward, I extend an invitation.

        One way to persist in resistance is my FB group, Gloriamarie’s Progressive Stuff, where I post actions, petitions, info, actual news, evidence, facts. There’s a pinned post that I highly recommend people read. I also ask a screening question so I can keep the spammers and the trolls out. All who read this are invited.

        https://www.facebook.com/groups/gloriamariesprogressivepetitions/

  4. It’s funny. To those outside the US of A, most of these abbreviations (“GOP??”), names (Nugent??) and other minutiae mean absolutely nothing. While I fully understand the sentiment behind the piece, this really reflects a parochial, narrow view. There’s a big world out there! And, unlike most things, it’s bigger than the Good Ole US of A. Maybe there’s a lesson in here somewhere….

    • Gormless, there sure is a lesson here and it is simple: do not read about things if you do not have the gumption to get informed and do not comment if all you are going to show is your own ignorance.

      I am sure your little corner of the world only discusses the issues that involve the whole world, but frankly most discussions are much more narrow and specific all over this wide world.

  5. Some random quotes from an unapologetic conservative.
    1. Ann Coulter
    “If I’m going to say anything about John Edwards in the future, I’ll just wish he had been killed in a terrorist assassination plot.”

    I have never seen people enjoying their husband’s deaths so much.” -on 9/11 widows who have been critical of the Bush administration

    “We need somebody to put rat poisoning in Justice Stevens’ creme brulee. That’s just a joke, for you in the media.”

    “Liberals love America like O.J. loved Nicole.”

    “My only regret with Timothy McVeigh is he did not go to the New York Times Building.”

    We have dominion over the plants, the animals, the trees. God said, ‘Earth is yours. Take it. Rape it. It’s yours.'”

    “I’m a Christian first, and a mean-spirited, bigoted conservative second, and don’t you ever forget it.”

    https://www.thoughtco.com/ann-coulter-quotes-2734315

    • Thank you, I appreciate that, conservatives will say Hey they were joking, can’t you take a joke. Nope, I can’t and I am tired of the double standard, so thank you for pointing it out. Won’t make a bit of difference with them, but it made my day. Peace and Love,

  6. Thank you for saying that, it was the first thing I thought when I saw the picture and the outrage. I like dark comedy but she isn’t really my cup of tea. That said, to single out this one image is hypocritical at best from both sides of the aisle. Do we really believe that the same people that created or celebrated the burned, hanging effigies of our previous president will now condemn this sort of thing because their eyes were suddenly opened? No, no they won’t. In fact today the RNC in California is showing the image everywhere to raise money. Money talks I guess.
    While I found the image personally distasteful, there is at least comparable out there, if not worse. Why are these not worthy of removing? Kathy unfortunately already had the ire of WH & friends from years ago and we know they hold grudges. I wish this wasn’t the case but I do not think that this is the time in history we allow any inroads into freedom of speech, it’s all we have right now and I fear from their words and actions they are seriously going to try and shut us down. That won’t be easy to do that in this country and it kind of scares me how they might go about achieving that, as it seems to be a goal.
    Thanks again John.

    • They will use anything they can to shut down anyone who disagrees. I didn’t like the image but for eight yrs they have said nothing about all the gross things they did to the Obama’s. We need to stay alert and strong. Peace,

    • Suzanne, I daresay that those “In fact today the RNC in California is showing the image everywhere to raise money. Money talks I guess,” and the people who donate are the exact same people who think it is appropriate to have hung President Obama in effigy.

      Sadly they can’t see that the two reprehensible actions are the exact same thing. Both actions are heinous and repulsive. ****Both***

      But aren’t the GOP doing exactly what John predicted they would do in his essay above?

  7. It’s sad that we have arrived at a point in our society, that a celebrity even thought that showing her defiance for a sitting President in this manner was acceptable; the same can be said for how the previous President was treated with tasteless effigies and pictures of a noose around his neck, etc. I do not condone what Ms. Griffin did nor how other treated President Obama. I agree with your column Pastor, but wonder if we can stoop any lower. I wonder what it will take for us to return, or maybe achieve for the first time, a social context that lacks criticism, critique, crass demonstration, and selfish condemnation of people who do not agree with us. I only hope we’ve reached the bottom of the barrel and will soon rise above our baser nature to embrace all, regardless of how they differ from us. Keep up the good work of calling out that which makes us lesser to each other and encourage us to overcome the temptation to strike out!

    • Well, said, Tim Freeman, this is what we need.

      One way to persist in resistance is my FB group, Gloriamarie’s Progressive Stuff, where I post actions, petitions, info, actual news, evidence, facts. There’s a pinned post that I highly recommend people read. I also ask a screening question so I can keep the spammers and the trolls out. All who read this are invited.

      https://www.facebook.com/groups/gloriamariesprogressivepetitions/

  8. Personally, I wish Kathy hadn’t apologized, and rightly pointed out the offensive violent images from the right. Kathy’s words didn’t get 2 men killed in Portland or a promising young soldier cut down in Maryland. Kathy Griffin’s photo is not as offensive as the fascist rhetoric now coming from the WH. Put aside your feelings about her photo, the President personally attacked an entertainer for a joke. Now her life is broken. It’s not just the loss of jobs. She is now a target for Trumpistan trolls spewing death threats. People should be very worried about the ease in which the President was able to ruin her. This is Fascism 101. Turn on the most offensive critics, one by one, until there is no dissent left. Silencing dissent in the USA is much more offensive than any photo could be. People should be more outraged about the authoritarian tactics of this administration.

    • Yes I agree with you. Our president has a habit of attacking private citizens. He took 3 days to even comment on what happened in Portland, and then it was only a tweet. However he was pretty quick to jump on this. Plus they are sooooo outraged and concerned about Barron that they are now showing the image to raise money.

      • Meanwhile, due to venues cancelling her shows, many people lose money they need to support themselves. People who work at the venue lose a night’s pay. Restaurants that would have served those going to the show lose business. Unlike, Kathy Griffin, those people don’t have resources to fall back on. I understand this picture is offensive to many, but it’s just a picture. Meanwhile, the President is refuses to forcefully condemn the radical underbelly supporting him. Did you see his supporters in Portland yesterday? The front line was heavily dressed like goons. It was more terrifying to me than any picture.

        • There are many things that have happened that are worse than this picture, as ill-thought out as it was.

          Actual people have been murdered.

          Some politician in Portland thinks Portland should hire white supremacists to serve as security.

          People have been attacked three times in the UK in the past couple of weeks.

          And worse than all of these things combined, if that is possible, is that Trump is willing to send the entire planet to the death because he didn’t like the handshake with the French President.

          • I pray for those poor people in Florida today. We’ve got to acknowledge we have a problem with mentally unstable people having access to guns that is worse than any ISIS threat. The shooter was an Army veteran, so the system failed him to a point were he took his anger out on 5 innocent people. The news is reporting he got into a fist fight at the same place 4 years ago. If he would have had the resources then, maybe they’d all be alive today. We are failing the most vulnerable in society, then clueless to the fallout.

            • I agree and when they cut the budget, what do they cut, health care, mental health care and veterans care. Then they tell them buy guns. Then we wonder why we have problems. Far more people are killed by citizens with issues and a gun then ISIS in this country, but that doesn’t get votes and you can’t make money on that so lets scare everyone with something else. Peace,

              • What’s worse, Kathleen, when you tell people that “far more people are killed by citizens with issues and a gun then ISIS in this country, ” they consider the speaker a liar.

            • Too right we are. And with the potential of TrumpNocare, budget cuts, even moe of the most vulnerable will be lost.

              But I guess nothing will change until the people who voted for the evil actually experience it within their own lives when they start losing their own most vulnerable.

  9. Of course she’s not a Christian. Did you miss her “Suck it, Jesus” speech at the Emmys?

    By the way, Christians and Conservatives are not what you make them out to be.

    • Well, James, you seem to be an excellent example of exactly the kind of conservative American Christian John P is talking about.

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