So Trump Supporter, What Do You Love Most About Him?

So, I see you’re still supporting Donald Trump. 

Look, I know you have your reasons, but thought maybe you could narrow it down a bit and just give me one biggie.

Tell me what you love the most about him, as I’m genuinely curious:

Is it that he’s trying to take away healthcare from 24 million Americans including the sickest and most vulnerable?
Is it that he’s removing fundamental protections for our air and water?

Is it that his first Tweet after the deadly London terrorist attacks was to hawk his failed Travel Bans?
Is it that he and his Secretary of Education want to defund public schools?
Is it that he was an uneducated, ill-mannered, global laughing-stock at the NATO Summit?
Is it that he shoved the Prime Minister of Montenegro for a photo-op there like an insecure bully?
Is it that he sold 12 million dollars of weapons to a country he accused days earlier of funding terrorism?
Is it that he is repeatedly trying to ban Muslims from countries whose citizens haven’t committed a single act of terror on American soil in 40 years?

Is it that he wants to steamroll Native American sacred lands in order to run oil lines?
Is it that he removed protections for LGBTQ people at work and in school?

Is it that he likely fired FBI Director James Comey for looking into Russian interference in the US election?
Is it that he publicly threatened the former Director in advance of his public testimony on the matter?
Is that he is under federal investigation for obstruction of justice?
Is it that he wants to take away disability benefits from the elderly?
Is it that he exited the global Paris Climate Agreement, seemingly because it contained the word Paris in it, and not Pittsburgh.
Is it that he attacked the mayor and London, the American media and judiciary via Twitter, and is quickly alienating our greatest allies??

Is it that he speaks so respectfully of and to women?
Is it that his budget proposal contained a 2 trillion-dollar math error?
Is it that he is fatally allergic to the truth regarding the election numbers, well-known figures of speech, his 100 day resume?

Is it that his senior advisor is a fake news-generating White Supremacist who has said he admires Satan?
Is it that he regularly publicly berates the Judiciary protecting our Constitution?
Is it that he attacks our Free Press whenever it criticizes him?
Is it that he fired Acting Attorney General Sally Yates for upholding our legal system with integrity?
Is it that he publicly accused President Obama of wire tapping him, without the slightest shred of evidence?

Is it that his EPA Chief disagrees with Science?
Is it that he wants to eliminate funding for PBS and NPR and the National Endowment for the Arts?
Is it that he canceled whale and sea turtle protections?
Is it that he is earning the ridicule of foreign leaders?
Is it that he Tweets more often and incoherently than your ninth grader?

Now, I know you’re not supporting him simply because you voted for him and you have to save face now—even while seeing how inept, unqualified, unhinged, and terrible he is.
I know you’re not doing it just because that’s what FoxNews tells you to do—and you always do what FoxNews tells you to do.
I know you’re not just sticking with him because you hated President Obama and Hillary Clinton so much that you voted simply out of spite and are now digging your heels in out of spite.
I know that you can’t share his contempt for Muslims and women and the LGBTQ community and the poor.
And I know you aren’t doubling down in support because you approve of the misogyny, anti-Semitism, Islamophobia, and racism associated with him and his Cabinet.

It surely can’t be any of those things.

Obviously the list of reasons to love Donald Trump is nearly endless, but if you’d tell me what you love most about him and why you’re still supporting him, I’d love to hear it.

Maybe I can understand.

Maybe I can learn to love him as much as you do.

Maybe not.

 

408 thoughts on “So Trump Supporter, What Do You Love Most About Him?

    • Supposedly, Robert Mercer engaged his company, Cambridge Analytica, to analyze the media responses, include Facebook here, of all the registered voters in the U.S. and then his daughter and her team helped Trump to advertise almost down to the individual level to his potential voters. This formed a bond where these people feel that Trump understands and represents them, a large part of this is emotional IMO so don’t expect some rational discussion to dissuade them. The same technique was used to accomplish Brexit, for example advertising to fishing villages where EU restrictions on the type of fishing hooks allowed were causing local anger and explaining that Brexit would free them from restrictions, which I assume were ecological. This is new, where computer technology and large data analysis can be tuned to sway the public and the public has to learn to understand that those highly localized interests can harm the country and the world and hence, them.

      • Devil’s Advocate:

        “In other words, the lowly peasants among us must be shown that they are incompetent to rule the world, and because of that, must find a way to understand that they are all stupid sh*ts who must know their lowly station in life and be content to stay there for the protection of the nation.”

        That is precisely what American founding father Alexander Hamilton would have said. He’s the guy on the $10 bill.

        • Charles, either you didn’t understand what you read or I don’t understand your response as “Devil’s Advocate”, as I don’t see how you pulled your alleged dissenting view from what T.Myers posted.

          What he stated was the Mercers helped trump target his message to such a degree that those who are ardent supporters are emotionally invested in their belief and won’t be interested or swayed by any discussion of trump. He compared this to voters of brexit.

          The likelihood that low-income, under-educated, rural voters were targeted for this, is very high. trump obviously pandered to a demographic in his manner of speech and with the things he said. All he needed/wanted was votes, which he knew he could get, with a folksy “make America great again” slogan on a ball cap. He had no intention of doing anything for those people. They just fell for him and it’s very sad indeed. They’ve dug in their heels in his defense, trying desperately to prove they’re not what the country thinks of them.And failing miserably.
          It’s reprehensible this oaf has exploited people he would never associate with otherwise.

          I don’t think the message from trump was that “they’re incompetent peasants who must learn their place”, quite opposite actually. His supporters believe the non-republicans are the oppressors, because that’s the line they were sold that they bought, hook, line and sinker.

          • I wonder what was the tactic used to get poor white southern men to fight in the Civil War for plantation owners to keep their slaves and take jobs away from those very poor whites who fought in the war. Why would they volunteer risk their lives for something that was not in their best interest? To me that’s a better analogy of what’s going on with Trump voters. It’s more psychological and tribal related, I think.

      • Dear T. Myers:

        This is fairly universal among bourgeoisie ‘democracies.’ What we call ‘elections’ are actually marketing extravaganzas with fully vetted candidates standing on plastic platforms in a process that is awash with money. There is minimal policy discussion, zero recognition of real issues, and the working class is effectively precluded from the whole process in anything more than a purely formulary ‘ballot’ which intends nothing more than to manufacture a rationale to do anything and to violently suppress the population in the name of law and order should they decide to protest the electoral farce.

        Blessings!

        • gdd wrote “There is minimal policy discussion, zero recognition of real issues, and the working class is effectively precluded from the whole process in anything ”

          Dear gdd, I watched all the Democratic debates and by the second one, I was bored stiff as they weren’t saying anything new, not answering new questions. But what I was most disturbed by was the emphasis on rebuilding the middle class. All well and good, I suppose, if one is in that demographic.

          Neither Bernie or Hillary had anything to say about what they would do for those of us who live below the poverty line. Every time questions were solicited I would send a request to know what they would do for us impoverished citizens, most of whom are children, the disabled, the handicapped, and seniors.

          No one ever asked the candidates to answer those questions. No candidate, IIRC, has ever spoken about improving the lot of the poor since LBJ and the Great Society.

          I am disabled and handicapped against my will but I had to accept it. Becoming a senior was also something beyond my control.

          • Gloriamarie, you are not in a demographic that anyone is going to campaign to or offer solutions for. It is not going to happen.

            You are in a demographic that is used or ignored because the solutions are too hard for anyone to sell, even the supposed socialist Sanders, communist Obama or underworld ruler Clinton.

            The really sad irony is the number of poor, working poor, disabled, and suffering who think Trump is going to help them.

            • Sandi wrote “Gloriamarie, you are not in a demographic that anyone is going to campaign to or offer solutions for. It is not going to happen.”

              Oh, I already know that, Sandi. I was just saying I am sick to death of hearing about what they are gonna do for a demographic that improves would like make campaign contributions.

              We the impoverished of the USA are in no position to make campaign contributions, so we are sloughed off as if we have no right to thrive, improve, have dignity and respect.

              “The really sad irony is the number of poor, working poor, disabled, and suffering who think Trump is going to help them.”

              Yes, that is heartbreaking that there are poor people and even middle-class people who think Trump and the GOP care about them when Trump and the GOP have demonstrated over and over and over again that they are on the side of the rich.

              • I disagree with you and Sandi, the poor seemed to be ignored because you don’t pay taxes and you have all of the safety nets, health insurance, housing, food and other aid. I know that no one chooses to be poor or chooses to be elderly or handicapped and with that comes poverty sometimes. But, the middle class has the heaviest tax burden of all of the tax payers in this country, we also don’t qualify for help from the government, when you’re just above the poverty line. The middle class are in a Catch 22, they make too much money to receive aid and not enough to pay their bills and keep their head above water. For a long time, the middle class were ignored. That’s why politicians are now, since the Bill Clinton presidency, talking about the struggles of the middle class.

                • Vitra, it might be true that poor people might not pay federal income tax BUT, they pay payroll taxes if they are the working poor, they pay sales taxes, they pay property taxes and government fees just like the rest of us and if you want to get technical, the rent they pay goes to help pay taxes too.

                  I am sure your POV is exactly why some do not care for the poor, but it is still wrong.

                • I’m curious…before we support “middle class” tax cuts we should know the definition of middle class. The federal govt has guidelines/definition of poverty but not the middle class. The last time I heard a middle class tax cut promise it was for households making over $200,000. Expect….demand a definition of middle class. It’s critical that we know their definition instead of assuming we are talking about the same income guideline. It is likely we are NOT.

            • Sandi, what if Trump ends up doing more for the demographic you speak about, could you give him any credit? Or is he hated so much that any good he may do, won’t matter? I’m just curious.

              Thanks!

              • John wrote “Sandi, what if Trump ends up doing more for the demographic you speak about, could you give him any credit? Or is he hated so much that any good he may do, won’t matter? I’m just curious.”

                Is that a serious question? Considering the number of people he has stiffed when it comes to paying his bills, how could anyone ever imagine he would do anything to help those of us living in poverty?

              • John, I realize you likely will not believe this, but I love my country and I want what is best for this nation. As much as I find detestable about Trump, if he happens to do good for the workers, the poor, disabled, marginalized or hurting, I would be more than over-joyed to give him credit for it and praise him to the Lord as well.

              • Dear John:

                The political system of which Mr. Trump is the nominal figurehead simply doesn’t operate in that fashion.

                This has nothing to do with Mr. Trump who, incidentally, may well be facing a palace coup and be replaced by an un-elected military junta.

                Blessings!

              • The only demographic he’s doing good for is the 1% when he needs to be focusing on the 99% – but he’s it made it clear that is not who he is for. Also, he should not be doing good for a “demographic” he should do good for everyone, that’s his job. But, it’s been 6 months, he’s made his position even more clear than he had during his campaign – the vast majority of the people in this country are his targets via elminating their healthcare, their financial protections, environmental protections, by actively promoting divisiveness, hate, and bullying, by cutting veterans benefits, and by endangering us all as the United States has lost the respect of the rest of the world, our long standing alliances are at risk, and he’s seen as a weak and unstable man who can easily be manipulated by our enemies and not counted on to do the right by our friends.

          • Dear Gloriamarie Amalfitano:

            In accessing election rhetoric, it is important not only to know WHAT was said, but WHY it was said and to WHOM it was said.

            In context of 2016 election rhetoric, ‘middle class’ refers to a privileged layer of upper-middle class individuals who — while clearly NOT 1%ers [bourgeoisie] live very comfortable other 9% [petty-bourgeoisie] lives. Ex: with an estimated worth of what — $250 million? — William and Hillary Clinton are solidly, upper-middle class. ‘Middle class’ lingo was injected into the 2016 campaign to signal Senator Clinton’s intention to benefit privileged layers of the other 9%.

            That [to use your words] ‘no one ever asked the candidates to answer those questions’ demonstrates that the working class and the working/disabled poor [90%] have ZERO representation in the American political system.

            Sandi Saunders’ brutally honest statement ”you are not in a demographic that anyone is going to campaign to or offer solutions … it is not going to happen’ has profound integrity. So what you state as an observation, Sandi uses more as a timeless principle. Together, you [two] offer this simply damning critique:

            The United States is not and never will be a republic of, by and for 90% of the people. Mind – the state won’t long survive this much honesty; so narrative fictions are added to the mix – rags to riches through hard work stories, land of limitless opportunity, and other bourgeois wet dreams.

            Regarding past reforms, the ‘New Deal’ [despised by the wealthy] was essentially a bribe to the 90% NOT to revolt [a la Oct. 1917 style]. That it WAS offered at all shows that even under capitalism, society CAN care for its weak WHEN THE ECONOMY IS EXPANDING. And our economy was! Yet even in this most prosperous period of US history, nearly 20 percent of Americans remained mired in poverty. And President Johnson’s ‘War on Poverty’ promises were abandoned.

            But now as capitalism runs its course, as our economy contracts, as the bribe becomes austerity and as the lie is put to our national narrative fictions – the state turns again to the final argument of kings. I think paragraph 24 of the Socialist Equality Party Platform puts it best:

            ‘American capitalism proved incapable of realizing the promise of economic security and the elimination of poverty during the decades of its greatest successes. What, then, can be expected of this economic system in a period of breakdown and crisis?’

            You, Sandi, the SEP and I agree: Nothing.

            I encourage you, Gloriamarie Amalfitano, to visit http://tinyurl.com/humqr67 and use the ‘Ctrl + f’ [or whatever menu command your browser have for ‘search’] and see what that document says about health care, poverty, disability and any other issues.

            Oh, and Sandi – the day the SEP abandons that platform will be the day I abandon the SEP.

            Blessings!

          • Gloriamarie, I think politicians may also assume that poor people don’t vote much, and that middle class people do. So they don’t speak directly to poor folks or take their wishes into account.

            I, too, have often thought when they refer to the middle class, “What about the class below that?”

            • I think if they assume that we poor people don’t vote they are much mistaken.

              Thank you for thinking of us impoverished folk when people go on about improving the lot of the middle class.

          • Do you not understand that if the middle class is rebuilt, that it brings people on poverty up?
            Do you not understand that the republicans talked about cutting taxes on the very rich by taking Medicaid away from the poor?

            • Gloriamarie knows that all too well. The problem is that the Democrats suddenly figured out that letting their campaign contributors hollow out the working class, especially in the rural areas, for the last 30 years was a mistake. How they will go from here, I don’t know. I know the GOP has apparently gone off the deep end, believing their own BS lies for the past 10-20 years.

              Both parties also knows that they can use “dog whistle” issues to make the majority of the public march in step to which ever party fits their values, prejudices, and tribalism. With the extremists in the GOP armed with their own “facts” that conflict with reality, things will not get better. Willfully getting bad information leads to disastrous decisions. This is where we are now.

          • Did you listen tto Bernie? He has been saying the same exact thing for 30 years his message hasn’t changed chump changes his message on a daily basis. Bernie was and is the only candidate who had anything to offer low-income and middle-class . people your argument is mute

        • I disagree. 2016 was probably the only election I’ve participated in that was not policy driven and that is because Trump had no policy and when the discussion was based on policy, he offered some lie embedded in some talking points on the issue and continued with an attack on his opponent. He deflected and changed the conversation. Otherwise he would have been exposed. And he was exposed to the savvy listener, but to those who liked the excitement and the personal attacks against a black man and a woman who should know and be put in their place, it didn’t matter.

      • Don’t forget the Russian hacking and planting that the right wing media and minions repeated and amplified in every way they refuse to do with Trump. It was manipulation, and to discount or dismiss that is only at our peril. And theirs if they had the perspective to see it. Who knew anyone would embrace Russia so?

        • Dear Sandi Saunders:

          Except I’ve seen no more hard support for the ‘Russian spying/etc.’ than I did for other political operations such as the ‘Whitewater’ scandal, the ‘Obama is not an American’ or the ‘Obama is a Muslim’ campaign.

          Usually, it is the Republican Party that pulls this nonsense. But until I learn of hard evidence of this ubiquitously alleged plot [meaning anything that would stand up in what used to be a US court], I’ll have to disappoint resident Republicans by saying that they haven’t yet fully cornered the market on fascistic, McCarthyite style attacks.

          Blessings!

            • Dear Sandi Saunders:

              This incendiary, anti-Russian political campaign is fraught with monumental hypocrisy. I’ve already dispatched the transparent lie that the US electoral system is any model for a free nation, so I won’t go there other than to point out that Professor Dov Levin [Carnegie-Mellon] assembled a data documenting 81 cases between 1946 and 2000 in which Washington interfered with foreign elections, including nominal allies.

              The White House and President Clinton undertook a herculean effort to reelect Boris Yeltsin in 1996. He needed help! The team [Joe Shumate, George Gorton and Richard Dresner] Washington sent and tasked to put in the ‘fix’ had to work with a despised candidate who’s positive ratings were lower and negative ratings higher than Joseph Stalin.

              You can read the whole sordid story in a 10 page article from the July 15, 1996 issue of Time Magazine.

              When published emails showed that the Democratic National Committee/Hillary Clinton campaign worked to undermine Senator Sanders’ campaign [another glorious, fair election!] at Convention, Russia was at once made the culprit. For all its ‘malfeasance,’ Wikileaks was incapable of such a sophisticated campaign. It had to be the Russians.

              I watched closely for weeks for evidence that would stand up in what used to be an American court. This is what I found. I found ambiguous phrases like ‘we assess,’ ‘we believe,’ ‘we assess with high confidence.’ The lead editorial of Sunday’s NYT times is a case in point. The Times presented ZERO evidence for assertions presented as ‘proof.’

              Editorial page editor James Bennet presented not one, solitary fact to support evidence of ‘direct orders’ from Putin, or that hackers linked to Russian intelligence raided Democrat email accounts, or that they supplied material to WikiLeaks, or that hackers tried to access voter databases, or computers of local election officials. Every accusation is suspended in mid-air.

              And it’s been so since WikiLeaks disclosure.

              Literally in minutes, major news outlets plus commentators/talking heads took the same line with the same language. So if we’re not supposed to believe that this was a political operation, feel free to make your case, Sandi.

              I for one feel no need to exercise implicit faith in a bottom-to-top political fraud system.

              Blessings!

              • gdd, granted I have never been a fan, but that was one of the most dishonest distortions you have offered yet. There is no comparison to paid US political advisers working for a candidate overseas and the PROVEN Russian hacking, releases of private emails and fake “news” story planting in our 2016 election. That is such a false equivalency that is is just ridiculous.

                Your denials of evidence that few outside of Trump now deny is telling.

                I know you need to show the superiority of the socialism fantasy you protect, but defending Russia and pretending we do the same is just not going to work.

                If the only way you can effect change is to malign and undermine our system of governance, then you already have the weaker choice to defend.

                http://www.motherjones.com/politics/1997/03/world-spins/

                • Dear Sandi Saunders:

                  Like the Sunday Times editorial, you illustrate my point. I see nothing on the alleged hacking. Were answers available, you’d post where, by whom or on what authority this operation was initiated, its nature, the means used, how it was conducted, etc. Instead, you posted what you did. It seems we’re to believe as we’re told and not ask questions.

                  Sieg Heil!

                  As youth massed to the pseudo-left Sen. Sanders, the DNC saw fit to undermine his campaign. As they see the façade, they’ll demand the real thing. The DNC has the socialist youth problem and it has a convention election problem. It isn’t that I need to demonstrate the superiority of socialism, but that you need to bar the way to it and yet keep our youth.

                  Good Luck!

                  The system undermines itself! And it happens everywhere. The second round in the French legislative elections was even more devastating with 57% of voters abstaining. Across Europe, bourgeois governments are falling to extremism and reaction just as they did in the 30s. In pre-revolutionary situations, events are move very quickly.

                  They Are!

                  Several years ago, the world socialist web site was read by hundreds. Now it is read daily by thousands. Soon, readership will be in the millions. This perspective and our leaflets will leave a mark workplaces, factories, cities and neighborhoods. You may interrupt the productive forces that drive this; but as Crane Brinton said, cannot and will not stop them.

                  You Won’t!

                  Blessings!

                  • gdd, I am sure you are used to the CIA and FBI showing you the evidence in all their investigations but there really is no argument to be had over the issue, only whether there was actual collusion with the Trump campaign or if all those meetings and connections were just dumb luck as the Russians hacked and leaked and tried to affect the election.

                    “The Office of the Director of National Intelligence released on Friday a report that detailed what it called a Russian campaign to influence the election. The report is the unclassified summary of a highly sensitive assessment from American intelligence and law enforcement agencies.”
                    https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2017/01/06/us/politics/document-russia-hacking-report-intelligence-agencies.html

                    And the tired old delusion of the DNC robbing Sanders and his “revolution” is just plain childish and also totally without evidence of any kind. Disgruntled emails and biased party members do not a “fixed election” make. Sanders lost because he got fewer votes. Period. Trump did not win because this nation wants to go harder to the left!

                    Yes, you socialists are making a problem for the DNC and you are helping the Republicans gain and keep power, but what you are NOT doing, it winning elections.

                    No comrade, your day is not at hand, and it never will be in America, not even if your propaganda is read by millions daily! Americans are not buying what you are selling.

                    • Dear Sandi Saunders:

                      I listed a few questions of the sort to be answered if this is to be put to rest. What do I get? I get another document offering not one shred of evidence for the assertions made concerning Russian hacking. Not one.

                      More years ago than I’ll admit, I learned as a school boy that WHO articulates an assertion is irrelevant. What you have given us is an informal fallacy known as an ‘appeal to authority.’ Who makes the assertion or how many times it is made sustains no semantic and therefore no logical relationship to the proposition at hand. It is an irrelevant thesis.

                      A world socialist web site review of your linked document by Patrick Martin [ http://tinyurl.com/y7h8c2a7 ] points out that the report ‘consists of unsupported conclusions by the CIA, FBI and NSA using the phrase “we assess” 19 times without a single fact to demonstrate Russian involvement.’

                      Martin goes on to say that the unclassified text ‘does not even claim that there is evidence to support its conclusions that is withheld in the interests of security but supplied in the un-redacted document.’ So again, we are supposed to believe it because we are supposed to believe it.

                      Martin’s leaflet points out that much of this document is a CIA report reprint from Dec 2012 outlining reporting by RT, the Russian government backed English language broadcaster. And that is clear from your link.

                      Again, you can post where, by whom or on what authority this operation was initiated. You can indicate its nature, the means used, how it was conducted and the like. I’ve given you every opportunity to do so, and you refuse to do it. Will you do it? Will you set aside the irrelevant theses? Will you provide objective evidence as was once understood in America’s courts – such objective evidence as establishes scientific demonstration or do you not?

                      It’s a simple question. You say ‘yes’ or ‘no.’

                      Blessings!

                    • You are being beyond ridiculous. No one is on trial here, there is no court case to be made in such things (yet!). You are so typical of those who malign our nation. Name one successful purely Socialist nation? You are as childish as the Libertarians, Marxists, Communists and Socialists always are. You have no nation to point to as being successfully what you claim is so great, yet you think Americans should rise up and become Socialists. Beyond ridiculous.

                      EVERY successful, free nation has a hybrid of Capitalism/socialism. There is no worker’s paradise. There is no nation without Capitalism, without a strong government, without regulations and the rule of law decided by government. There is also no successful free nation without the rich and powerful who are in government or who lead and guide because as Adam Smith taught, it is the way of the world to do so.

                      Your rubbish is just that. Your fantasy is just that. We have a Constitution and we have a government that is not based on Socialism and it never will be. Socialism, at best, is the means to deal with the poor, disabled, elderly, sick and orphaned. It is never going to be the main driver of the US Economy nor is it the main driver of any other economy.

                      Most of the nations we call “Socialist” are also hybrids, not truly socialist nations. And the reason for that is, it does not work.

                    • Dear Sandi Saunders:

                      My questions are eminently reasonable and respectfully posed. This maligns nothing and puts no one on trial. I don’t even deny that Russia hacked your Convention or election. I say merely that all hard evidence of it is lacking – no more. To post what repeatedly requested would have ended this.

                      I take no pleasure in flogging you with this Sandi, but that point had to be established for the following reasons:

                      1] If this campaign [which reflects a ferocious battle in the ruling class] dislodges Trump, power transfers to Pence and an unelected cabal of active and recently retired generals. It won’t be returned graciously. They practically run foreign policy now. But this – essentially a palace coup –would end the Republic.

                      2] This campaign reflects the absolute determination by some to pursue the path of open war with Syria, Iran and Russia. Hillary Clinton’s anti-Russian campaign with a promised review of US [no first strike] nuclear attack prepared the way for such a scenario. That must NEVER be permitted. It would lead inevitably to catastrophic, nuclear holocaust.

                      John McCain – who barely contains his rage – already declared this ‘Russian hacking to constitute an act of war. The implications of such a mentality by one of America’s most powerful political figures are too vast to be imaginable. And official politics nowhere discusses any of this. It lacks even the tools even to do this kind of analytic work.

                      I really don’t care if people say that I’m against the Republic. I retain my own thoughts as to what it means to be against or for the Republic, and the taxonomy by which we are assigned to those respective categories.

                      Blessings!

        • If this is true, would you have a problem with it or do you automatically dismiss it since its Republicans questioning Obama?
          “Congress Demands Investigation Into Obama Admin Meddling in
          Foreign Elections
          A group of leading senators is calling on newly installed Secretary of State Rex Tillerson to immediately launch an investigation into efforts by the Obama administration to sway foreign elections by sending taxpayer funds to “extreme and sometimes violent political activists” that promote leftist causes, according to a copy of the letter.
          The lawmakers disclosed multiple conversations with foreign diplomats who outlined active political meddling by the Obama administration’s State Department, including the use of taxpayer funds to support leftist causes in Macedonia, Albania, Latin America, and Africa.
          A portion of this State Department funding appears to have gone to organizations supported by the controversial liberal billionaire George Soros.”
          Read full article here:
          http://archive.is/Ssw1H

          • “Over the past few months, elected officials and political leaders of foreign nations have been coming to me with disappointing news and reports of U.S. activity in their respective countries,” Lee said in a statement. “This includes reports of diplomats playing political favorites, USAID funds supporting extreme and sometimes violent political activists, and the U.S. government working to marginalize the moderates and conservatives in leadership roles.”

            “This sort of political favoritism from our missions around the world is unacceptable and endangers our bilateral relationships,”

            • Thankfully it is mostly Trump defenders who get their news from freebeacon, washingtonexaminer, spectator and townhall! Pat, you are incredible.

          • Since you feel so free as to imply my patriotism is limited to the Democrats, maybe you need to rethink all that civility you whining about not being here.

            EVERY security agency (17 or so I believe) that has looked at this issue have all confirmed and agreed that there was Russian hacking and planting of false stories so it IS TRUE.

            And whether you accept it or not, I would have just as much problem with it if it had been done to Clinton’s favor and she was the one denying any problem with it.

            Your attempt to portray right-wing media spin as an actual investigation speaks to your lack of credibility and theirs, not mine. People who use sources like yours are the problem in this nation, not the solution.

            “…the State Department money was spent by November 2014 — nearly four months ago. OneVoice, he said, never “spent any U.S. government funds in connection with the recent elections in Israel. Claims to the contrary are simply wrong.”

            “…may raise plenty of questions, but they don’t prove that U.S. tax dollars funded “anti-Likud, anti Netanyahu groups in Israel for tomorrow’s election.”

            http://www.politifact.com/punditfact/statements/2015/mar/25/blog-posting/blog-claims-us-funded-anti-netanyahu-election-effo/

              • My sources are respected, not far right-wing or far left-wing spinners like yours. Your whole story originated from a blog post not any real investigation by any credible agency. This is noise from those trying to cover for Trump’s corruption. Your jig is up.

            • Actually, I have no doubt as to whether Russia hacked into anything anymore than I have doubts that we do the same. It’s the new age of technology whether we like it or not and we definitely need to address this and figure out how to protect our information for our national security’s sake. I just doubt the fact that Trump colluded with the Russians. Why aren’t people questioning why the previous administration didn’t mention or do anything about Russian hacking before the election? If Hillary had won, would they have said anything?

              • “Why aren’t people questioning why the previous administration didn’t mention or do anything about Russian hacking before the election? If Hillary had won, would they have said anything?”

                Nope.

                • Here is a list:
                  1. Office of the Director of National Intelligence
                  2.Central Intelligence Agency
                  3. National Security Agency
                  4. Defense Intelligence Agency
                  5. Federal Bureau of Investigation
                  6. Department of State – Bureau of Intelligence and Research
                  7. Department of Homeland Security – Office of Intelligence and Analysis
                  8. Drug Enforcement Administration – Office of National Security Intelligence
                  9. Department of the Treasury – Office of Intelligence and Analysis
                  10. Department of Energy – Office of Intelligence and Counterintelligence
                  11. National Geospatial-Intelligence Agency
                  12. National Reconnaissance Office
                  13. Air Force Intelligence, Surveillance and Reconnaissance
                  14. Army Military Intelligence
                  15. Office of Naval Intelligence
                  16. Marine Corps Intelligence
                  17. Coast Guard Intelligence
                  http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-17-intelligence-agencies-20170112-story.html

                  • Actually the “17 intelligence agencies ” number was debunked by former Director of National Intelligence James Clapper in front of Congress. Even so, it’s pretty obvious that the Russians attempted to interfere in the election.

                    What is also obvious is that there is no evidence that Trump or his campaign collaborated with the Russians on the attempted interference.

                  • From The Atlantic: not exactly a bastion of right wing propaganda:
                    Why Is Obama Expanding Surveillance Powers Right Before He Leaves Office?
                    It could be to prevent Trump from extending them even more.
                    On Thursday, the Obama administration finalized new rules that allow the National Security Agency to share information it gleans from its vast international surveillance apparatus with the 16 other agencies that make up the U.S. intelligence community.

                    With the new changes, which were long in the works, those agencies can apply for access to various feeds of raw, undoctored NSA intelligence. Analysts will then be able to sift through the contents of those feeds as they see fit, before implementing required privacy protections. Previously, the NSA applied those privacy protections itself, before forwarding select pieces of information to agencies that might need to see them.

                    The updated procedures will multiply the number of intelligence analysts who have access to NSA surveillance, which is captured in large quantities and often isn’t subject to warrant requirements. The changes rankled privacy advocates, who oppose a broadening of surveillance powers—especially on the cusp of Donald Trump’s inauguration. Trump and Mike Pompeo, the president-elect’s nominee for CIA director, have made it clear that they think overzealous civil-liberties protections should be cleared away in favor of stronger surveillance laws.

                    There’s more if you dare to read:
                    https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2017/01/obama-expanding-nsa-powers/513041/

                    • And this relates to Russian hacking and interference in what way?

                      I thought agencies were supposed to be sharing information after 9/11?

                      What is your point?

                  • Intelligence Community Subverting Security?By Harry G. Hutchison4 months ago

                    While opponents of President Trump have become emboldened in the wake of General Flynn’s resignation as the National Security Adviser, and while the media has reveled in a frenzy of self-righteous outrage that conceals its glee, it is important to observe that his resignation was sparked by leaked information coming from unelected bureaucrats within our nation’s intelligence apparatus, seemingly provoked by their deep distaste for the new Administration. Even more ominously, some of these bureaucrats are perhaps motivated by their loyalties to the Obama Administration.

                    While General Flynn appears to have misled Vice President Pence and mistakes have clearly been made that require ever more vigilance towards Russian authoritarian aggression, we must not overlook the intelligence leaks within our own government and the dangerous consequences flowing from them.

                    First, as the New York Times reported earlier this week, in its final days, the Obama Administration expanded the power of the National Security Agency (NSA) to share globally intercepted personal communication with the government’s 16 other intelligence agencies before applying any privacy protections. The new rules were issued under section 2.3 of Executive Order 12333 after approval by two Obama Administration officials: Attorney General Loretta Lynch and Director of National Intelligence Director, James Clapper.

                    Second, the new rules, which were issued in an unclassified document, entitled Procedures for the Availability or Dissemination of Raw Signals Intelligence Information by the National Security Agency (NSA), significantly relaxed longstanding limits on what the NSA may do with the information gathered by its most powerful surveillance operations. These operations are largely unregulated by American wiretapping laws. Surveillances include collecting satellite transmissions, phone calls, and emails that cross network switches abroad, and messages between people abroad that cross domestic network switches.

                    The changes initiated by the Obama Administration in its waning days empowered far more agents and officials to search through raw intelligence data. As a direct consequence of the change in policy, it appears that the prospect of intel leaks grew exponentially. Attorney General Loretta Lynch signed the new rules permitting the NSA to disseminate raw signals intelligence information on January 3, 2017 after Director of National Intelligence James Clapper signed them on December 15, 2016.

                    Prior to these changes, the NSA filtered information before sharing intercepted communications with another agency such as the CIA or the intelligence branches of the FBI. The NSA only passed on information deemed pertinent before the new order screening out the identities of innocent people and irrelevant personal information. Now intelligence agencies can search directly through raw repositories of communications intercepted by the NSA and then apply such rules as required for minimizing privacy intrusions.

                    Under the new rules, agencies and individuals can ask the NSA for access to specific surveillance feeds premised on the claim that they contain relevant information that is useful to a particular mission. Then the NSA has the discretion to grant such requests if it deems the request reasonable. Properly understood, the contents of the conversations engaged in by members of the Trump Administration and by President Trump himself are now under an increasing risk that they will be exposed to the public for purposes of embarrassing the Trump Administration and in order to impede the effectiveness of his policies.

                    The Obama Administration’s change in policy has grave implications for former National Security Adviser General Flynn and other Trump Administration officials.

                    https://aclj.org/national-security/is-the-intelligence-community-trying-to-subvert-our-national-security

                    • Under the new Obama Administration rules, conversations were and are subject to being shared with a wider network of individuals and operatives. This process multiplies the likelihood of leaks and the number of people who could be doing the leaking. Although proof of cause and effect may be difficult, consider the following record, which appears to be far more than coincidental.

                      It is apparent that news reports regarding the contents of General Flynn’s communication with foreign officials surfaced first during the final days of the Obama Administration. Washington Post reporter David Ignatius authored a January 12, 2017 column disclosing that a senior U.S. government official indicated that General Flynn phoned Russian Ambassador Sergey Kislyak several times on Dec. 29, the day the Obama administration announced the expulsion of 35 Russian officials and other sanction measures. It is no coincidence that the leaks implicating General Flynn have grown ever since.

                      How did Mr. Ignatius and other reporters get access to classified information, which they have used ruthlessly to deprecate both General Flynn and the Trump Administration? More likely than not, they obtained such information because intelligence agents unleashed by the Obama Administration had additional access to information as contemplated by the new rules and procedures approved by Attorney General Lynch and DNI Director Clapper.

                      Since misconduct by members of the intelligence community impairs national security, the ACLJ urges President Trump to take immediate action to root out this subversive mischief. The first step in this process is to immediately revise Executive Order 12333 and invalidate the rules issued by Obama Administration officials, which increase the likelihood of intelligence leaks now and in the future. Such leaks could facilitate a soft intelligence coup that places the security of the United States at risk.

                      The leaks must end now. Our national security depends on it

                    • Pat, I suppose you already know the very biased source you cite from has the same chief-counsel as Trump? And that this author also gave the world “Hobby Lobby, Corporate Law and Unsustainable Liberalism”…

                      Puuuhhhleeeze! If Trump and the right had been one iota as concerned about leaks during the Obama administration, the Russian hacking and the fake news planted, I MIGHT be able to give you a point on leakers now. Sorry, your little boy cried ‘leaks are good, keep’em coming’ has no legs to stand on now.

                      Sure, go ahead, find ’em and prosecute ’em for daring to tell us the truth, that ought to go real well for Trump.

                      Do you even know any sites not totally in the can for right-wing propaganda?

                    • The mainstream sites you link to are so infiltrated with left wing propagandists, they can’t be trusted. So, what do you do? Goebbels would be so pleased. Baby steps leading up to socialism where the only people who thrive, are those at the top. :/

                    • Even if that was true Pat, you should still be able to find some mainstream media that backs at least some portion of your right-wing propaganda. Looks like you cannot.

                      Which means, that is all it is. Goebbells has been proven to be on the right-wing media team far more often than should allow you to joke about it. Trump lies more and worse than Nixon.

                      You do not have the high ground here Pat and you have lost badly. Let it go.

                • OK. They did something but they didn’t prevent it from happening, did they? Why didn’t we have better security when it came to the leaks and hacking?

                  • Let’s see… the Russians illegally but with GOP support, hacked our election, but it’s Obama’s fault that they could. What deranged logic this is.

                    • Gloriamarie, Their logic is if something went wrong blame Obama. They are still doing it. I say, they should let it go, because now they look stupid, but you can’t change stupid. By the way, they seem to be proud of their stupidity.

                    • Kathleen B wrote “By the way, they seem to be proud of their stupidity.”

                      I am not sure that I will call it stupid so much as clinging to misinformation. Of course, we can argue that clinging to misinformation is not the wise option.

                      Whatever we call it, it is a troubling sign.

      • Very good response. Thank you for that. I hadn’t heard about his individualized marketing on social media. This adds a new layer to the, ” how the hell did this happen” cake.

    • This is not complicated.

      Trump supporters hate Liberals. (Liberals are the new “black. they can be racists against.)

      Trump makes Liberals cry.

      The enemy of my enemy is my friend.

      That’s it.

      It won’t matter if Trump takes away their healthcare, never creates a single job for someone not in his family or wealthy donors, never builds a wall, betrays America to the Russians, and destroys decades of good will with American allies–as long as he makes Liberals cry.

      In their eyes, they “suffered” under eight years of President Obama (they didn’t really suffer, but Right Wing Radio told them they were suffering, and it was Obama’s fault, so that’s close enough) –so now it is time for Liberals to suffer.

      All of Trump’s insanity is instantly forgiven so long as Liberals hate him.

      The end.

      • That is so true, I would just add one other thing, that as long as he erases Obama from the White House, then they will give up everything. Peace,

      • Shadyia, I wish I could argue that you are wrong, but all available evidence, even here on this blog, proves you are spot on! More than other races or cultures, more than immigrants and refugees, more than Muslims, and more than the LGBTQ; they hate liberals.

        • Why, though, Sandi, are liberals hated so much?

          Is it because we want to feed the hungry, care for the sick, clothe the naked, provide what the needy need?

          I don’t understand what there is to dislike in that.

          • Oh Gloriamarie, the “why?” is easy. They hate us because with every effort we show their hypocrisy and mockery of the Gospel of Jesus they proclaim to love and rather than accept that is our basis in love, they assign an ulterior motive of “compulsion” or “control” that we seek. They must make us the bad guys who want to control others, even as they ironically seek to control others. They know what they are and they cannot defend it, so they hate us for showing that to the world.

            • Sandi wrote “They know what they are and they cannot defend it, so they hate us for showing that to the world.”

              So it’s a case of shooting the messenger, then?

              Here’s what I think happened when people voted for Trump and the GOP, whether the voters meant to or not, they voted for authoritarianism, bigotry, bisexuality phobia, discrimination, fascism, gynophobia, homophobia, intolerance of that which is different, intolerance of those who are different from one’s self, intolerance of those who disagree with one’s self, intolerance of an informed disagreement, isolationism, misogyny, prejudice, racism, rape, sexual assault/molestation, transgenderphobia, white supremacy, and xenophobia.

              I want no part of any of those things because these values are not rooted in loving God with every fiber of one’s being, nor are they rooted in loving one’s neighbor as one’s self as God has first loved us.

              In fact, I think they are the exact opposite and must be resisted.

              One way to persist in resistance is my FB group, Gloriamarie’s Progressive Stuff, where I post actions, petitions, info, actual news, evidence, facts. There’s a pinned post that I highly recommend people read. I also ask a screening question so I can keep the spammers and the trolls out. All who read this are invited.

              https://www.facebook.com/groups/gloriamariesprogressivepetitions/

            • “More than other races or cultures, more than immigrants and refugees, more than Muslims, and more than the LGBTQ; they hate liberals.”

              “They hate us because with every effort we show their hypocrisy and mockery of the Gospel of Jesus they proclaim to love and rather than accept that is our basis in love, they assign an ulterior motive of “compulsion” or “control” that we seek. They must make us the bad guys who want to control others, even as they ironically seek to control others. ”

              By making these statements, are you not also assigning an ulterior motive?

      • Shadyia, EXACTLY, they will believe anything the RW noise programs tell them to believe and they do not care if they get screwed in the process.
        Gloria: As for Hillary and Bernie not addressing the poor, disabled, elderly etc. I listened to them and they addressed those issues MANY times by talking about expanding SS, Medicare, and Medicaid, food stamps, low cost housing, home care, etc.
        If they were not asked about these things in the debates that is not their fault, but their web sites talked about these issues, and they spoke about them at their rallies.

        • DEllen Casteel wrote “Gloria: As for Hillary and Bernie not addressing the poor, disabled, elderly etc. I listened to them and they addressed those issues MANY times by talking about expanding SS, Medicare, and Medicaid, food stamps, low cost housing, home care, etc.”

          Only the trolls address me as “Gloria” which is not my name. Please only address me as Gloriamarie.

          My point was that I didn’t hear them talk about these things in the debates. Yes, they did in campaign speeches as they stumped across the country, but not in the debates.

      • I think you have absolutely nailed it on the head, why his small core of supporters will NEVER give up on him. They are lost. We the majority must keep moving forward. Namaste

    • Let’s talk facts here, not media hysteria. First of all, the CBO report on the ACA was off by more than 16 million people. It’s highly likely the CBO report on the new bill is also as skewed. Yes, some people may choose to cancel their coverage, but no one will be “kicked off”. The new bill protects people with pre-existing conditions and will hugely benefit the 178 million like me getting raped by the ACA every month. And let’s be clear, the Paris Accord had nothing to do climate change and everything to do with redistribution of American wealth. It only called for a .078 temp change over 85 years….while it used U.S. tax dollars…that were never approved by Congress for use….to fund industrial revolutions in countries like India. Rolling back redundant and burdensome regulations doesn’t hurt the environment. Also, rolling back the E.O. giving government ownership of rivers, lakes, and streams simply corrected an over-reaching government policy that infringed on private ownership in the first place. As for “defunding” our schools…..not even close to being accurate. There is currently a Bill to defund the FEDERAL Dept of Education…it does not cut or reduce funding. What it does is remove the enormous fiscal overheard that, right now is taking the lion’s share of funding allocated, and putting that money directly into the states, counties, and our classrooms. Right now about 80% of all federal funding gets eaten up by the federal level Dept of Education……that 80% would actually go to the schools instead. BUT…it has to pass first. As for the “Muslim” ban….it is NOT a Muslim ban. It restricts travel from 6 countries who have absolutely no vetting system in place. It’s many of the same countries President Obama issued a 6 month travel ban on a few years ago. No one screamed about it then, filed law suits, or thought it was unconstitutional so why now?? People from other countries do not have a right a come here…..they are not governed by our laws. Many things listed on this blog are unfair, over-stated, and show extreme bias with no bases in truth. If you really want to know what’s going on, and what President Trump is trying to do, go to WhiteHouse.gov and read these bills for yourself….instead of simply believing a very biased, very misleading media. People like to think electing President Trump is all about the Left versus the Right…..it’s not. It was about the American people getting fed up with a self-serving and over-reaching government that stopped looking out for the people a long time ago. We voted him in because he’s NOT part of the Washington establishment….he’s one of us.

      • Lisa Papai wrote, “Let’s talk facts here, not media hysteria. First of all, the CBO report on the ACA was off by more than 16 million people. It’s highly likely the CBO report on the new bill is also as skewed.”

        You make many assertions without paragraph breaks. Please cite evidence from reputable sources for your claims.

        “We voted him in because he’s NOT part of the Washington establishment….he’s one of us.” So are you saying you are a straight wealthy rich man who assaults women, is abusive in his treatment of others, bullies people?

        Or is he “one of us” in the sense that he has proven to have embraced authoritarianism, bigotry, bisexuality phobia, discrimination, fascism, gynophobia, homophobia, intolerance of that which is different, intolerance of those who are different from one’s self, intolerance of those who disagree with one’s self, intolerance of an informed disagreement, isolationism, misogyny, prejudice, racism, rape, sexual assault/molestation, transgenderphobia, white supremacy, and xenophobia?

        If so, that’s old news. We already know people voted for him because they see themselves reflected in him and because he gets away with this kind of stuff, it is ok for the rest of you to start being vocal in these evil ways.

      • Wow Lisa Papi, you must be some kind of high muckety muck! There are United States Senators of the Republican Party who do not know what exactly is in the ACHA and what it will do, yet you know enough to dismiss all concerns with your great detailed explanation. I stand in awe of the position you must hold.

        And you claim this bill is up on Whitehouse.gov? The Dickens you say? Well someone really aught to tell the Republicans in the Senate…

        But then again, you seem to think Trump, the most self-serving, narcissist this nation has ever seen in office is fighting and going to change, “self-serving and over-reaching government” because he is one of you! Girl, you are a dang laugh riot!!

        I cannot tell you how lucky we feel to be blessed with your fair, under-stated, lack of extreme bias, with so much “bases in truth.” Let’s just consider this your public service for today. I know I feel ever so informed right now.

  1. This is a very good question. Even if you did not have the spiritual maturity or discernment to see Trump for what he was in the campaign, surely you have seen it by now. There really is no need to mince words, if not, you clearly never will and you love right-wing politics more than you love America or God.

    And I will happily share why I am so hard on Christians who support Trump: All my life I have seen Christians package their hatefulness, correction, condemnation and rebuke as ‘loving you enough to tell the truth’ and ‘hate the sin, love the sinner’. It is the tact they use when condemning the LGBTQ community, it is the tact they use when condemning Muslims, those who support abortion, and when they are condemning “progressive Christians,” the Clintons, liberals and Democrats. So the UTTER hypocrisy in now defending Trump and making caveats for his cruel, ignorant, harmful, divisive behavior, tweets, comments and actions because it gets them the control and power they seek, is just sickening and they own it.

    • A very good question that the smug and condescending blog host did not ask in good faith, obviously, considering the nasty sarcasm.

      • Very hard not to be condescending when asking that question….how would you have him ask it? However, I notice you did not answer the question. THAT would be something we are all interested in hearing. I think I know the answer, and will even be bold enough to tell you what I think. You love him because the rest of us are so troubled and upset by him. You love the discomfort and the horror we are all feeling. Anything that causes a Democrat to be unhappy is a good thing in your eyes.

        • Well said Elizabeth Walker! And that is indeed the extent of his bold Christian love. (And he is a stalker to this blog who seems unstable and unable to accept being told ‘no’)

          • Leslie, Why do you still support and love Trump.? Articulate for yourself. Don’t use someone else’s thinking. What are your reasons?

            • DEM-REP –We’ve explained it a million times. And it’s available everywhere –just Google it.

              The problem is, is that our Answers do no resonate with you (& your Answers do not resonate with us.) –So what.

              We are of two different minds and we do not value the same things.

              BTW, Conservatives have no problem figuring out why/ how you think & vote, or why you put certain people in Leadership. We accept you. We respect that you have different views.

              It’s un-American for you to stay on this destructive track, and it’s hurting everyone.

              Also, all the commenters are not considering the very few (brave) Conservatives that are posting here… How ’bout reading our answers to JPs question, sit with it awhile, meditate on it, pray about it, & wait … then comment –or better yet, why comment at all?

              Jesus saves sinners.

              • Sorry leslie m, your comments will never be meditated on or prayed over and I find it an ugly hubris to ask such a thing.

                NO ONE makes anyone come here and no one owes you respect for expressing things we find beyond the pale, dishonest or without proof. And we have every right to comment on that sentiment.

                Jesus saves sinners, he does not save right-wingers (or left-wingers) from the choices they make.

              • Why do you comment? Clearly you don’t agree with anything JP says, so why would you come here and make a comment in you very condescending way. And no, by your very words, you do not respect our views.

              • Sure Leslie. If 24,000,000 Americans are about to lose their health insurance (many of whom will get sick, get sicker, or die), if we apostate Christians will just “sit with it awhile, meditate on it, pray about it, & wait,” the Holy Spirit will make the scales fall from our eyes and we will finally all understand that Jesus cares even less about these 24,000,000 people than you do.

                No thanks. The Jesus I know would lock you in a room and give you the biggest “talking to” you have ever seen—and follow it up with “If you want to follow me, get your sorry ass in line and take my New Testament words seriously—all of them.”

              • I don’t think we have a problem figuring out why people vote for Republicans. We have a problem figuring out why people voted for Trump – the most appalling and unqualified candidate I’ve ever seen. I think it’s interesting that the title of Newt Gingrich’s (a Republican) new book is “Understanding Trump.” He knows the majority of people of just don’t get his behavior, or why the minority of people would vote for him.

                • Kate, I think the reason people voted for Trump is that they see themselves in him. They see his authoritarianism, bigotry, bisexuality phobia, discrimination, fascism, gynophobia, homophobia, intolerance of that which is different, intolerance of those who are different from one’s self, intolerance of those who disagree with one’s self, intolerance of an informed disagreement, isolationism, misogyny, prejudice, racism, rape, sexual assault/molestation, transgenderphobia, white supremacy, and xenophobia.

                  It corresponds with their hearts, minds, and thoughts. They see him act in a boorish, crass, nasty, ugly, vulgar manner and so they feel they can act on these hideous “values” and express them because they see Trump getting away with and even getting the highest office in the land.

                  They don’t care that he is the most unqualified person ever. They don’t care that he has the temperment of someone perpetually trapped in the Terrible Twos.

                  They don’t care about that because they see themselves reflected in him and they like what they see.

                  John P’s words are also a mittor and there are lots of people here who hate what they see in John P’s mirror.

              • Bernadette Roberts

                “Our well-worn traditional religious paths were not meant for egos – which is why their traditional pleasures soon wear off. Either we are in this journey solely for God or ultimate Truth or we are not in it at all. The first to fall by the wayside are those in it for themselves.”

                What is Self?, page 62

                leslie m, you are in it for yourself. You have repeatedly demonstrated your lack of compassion, empathy, sympathy in your many comments which you have chosen to express in judgemental terms.

              • Leslie, you are always a refreshing voice of reason when you write or respond. However, the people on this blog sees it as a “safe space” place for their views and ideology, and any dissenting views will be quickly attacked.

                Just look at Kathleen ‘s response below, and you will see my point. She says that your response is “condescending”.

                • Shirley Taylor wrote “Leslie, you are always a refreshing voice of reason when you write or respond. ”

                  Even when she misrepresents hat we say, twists and distorts it for some unknown reason? She has chosen to behave, at least on this blog, in a basic dishonest manner. She has been caught many times and no doubt we will catch her many more times.

                  • It simply isn’t true! Leslie always writes in a gracious, honest, and respectful tone. Nothing she says will be satisfactory to this group of people on the blog, no matter how nice she attempts to be!

                    • Shirley Taylor, I guess we have different definitions for “nice” because mine does not include deliberately misquoting people, twisting and distorting other people’s words, bearing false witness, and passive-aggressive language.

          • Leslie– So, if I’ve got it right, your belief is that Trump’s underlying policies are so good, and the state of the American Republic is so bad, that all the apparent chaos and incompetence is trivial and overblown. As with Claudius, you expect history will vindicate Trump as someone who staved off the fall of a dying nation.

            I certainly don’t agree, but I can’t argue with that (it’s too far outside my understanding of the facts.) I can certainly hope you’re right, however. It would be the best possible outcome.

        • I am hoping that I can find just a small amount of what Victor Davis Hanson has been smoking! Thanks leslie, that was a laugh I needed badly.

          “Trump, also like Claudius, has assembled a first-rate team of advisors and cabinet officials.” That is laugh out loud funny!

          “…—comprise the most astute and experienced group of strategists, diplomats, world travelers, and foreign policy thinkers since the Truman and Eisenhower administrations.” I mean you cannot make this up!

          “…a recovering military and a slow restoration of American deterrence abroad that will ultimately make the world safer…” O M G

          He also assures us that Jefferson Beauregard Sessions III will not be giving us “politicized and even nullified federal law.” His testimony to Congress not withstanding I am sure!

          Hey there’s more, “So far, any diagnosis…suggests national improvement.” Can you even imagine?

          “The stock market is up over the last four month. Unemployment is down. Labor participation is inching up. Business confidence polls stronger. Illegal immigration has dropped by 70 percent. Federal revenues are increasing while federal spending is declining. Neil Gorsuch and other federal judicial appointees are being roundly praised. Local police and federal law enforcement officials are re-enthused after years of demoralization.” WHAT could we mere scabs on the skin of America have to complain about?

          Clearly Trump walks ON the water: “Trump’s executive orders on the Keystone and Dakota pipelines, and the reenergized support for the coal industry, will bring more jobs and lower energy costs. Industries like steel, aluminum, and beef are talking about exporting and hiring in a way that they have not in years. While the media caricatures Trump’s propensity to jawbone companies about outsourcing jobs abroad, corporations themselves see executive orders on deregulation, promises of tax reform, and a new attitude of “America first” as incentives to stay home and hire Americans.”

          And may God have mercy, we, the ungrateful masses who cannot understand this Messiah, just want Nero, so clearly WE are the problem…

          I’d hit my knees and worship leslie’s fundamental Bible church too if I was dumb enough to believe crap like this guy writes! I can sure see the disconnect though.

        • Hi Leslie, I went and read some of the information that you sighted, and it is a bit concerning. Especially as one of the writers, Richard A. Epstein, is not accurate in his analysis. For example, a private citizen can not “leak” information of their own conversations. The sophistication of how Russia is using propaganda, might be considered as we read any news or written articles. The Hoover Institute’s Funding might be the first question to ask. If you are going to site something, you should use non partisan sources.

        • LOL, leslie said “his invitation is like being invited into the Piranha tank.” And yet, you jumped right in? Maybe Joe is not the only one with an obsession.

          • Sandi wrote “Maybe Joe is not the only one with an obsession.”

            Sandi, what was your first clue? LOL

        • Democratic Republic wrote “So inconvenient truth, why do you still love and support Trump?”

          Please don’t feed the troll. We’ll all be sorry you did.

      • “Inconvenient Truth”: that may be so. But I expect the blogger (and most of his readers) are genuinely interested in knowing the answer. I, for one, will not argue with you– and if anyone else does, you could just ignore us, having given us what we asked for.

        So, really. Why do you love Trump? What are your favorite things about him? If you explain it to us, our understanding can only increase.

        • Alex. Just as a heads up, Inconvenient Truth is an infamous troll that visits this blogspot regularly to stir up conflict. He feeds on the negative energy that spews forth from human conflict. He also goes by alias names, some of which are already on other posts here.

        • Alex, Joe “Inconvenient Truth” has many times, under his many aliases assured us that he voted for Trump
          1) because he believes Trump is pro forced incubation of pregnancy because Joe is such a good Catholic but supports no other means to end abortion and 2) Trump was not “crooked Hillary”. And yes, we have all noted the pitiful irony involved.

      • Seriously? YOU Joe, of the smug and condescending posts from the safety of anonymity and the internet skills to reinvent yourself every time he blocks you, have the gall to question his “good faith?” You are a sick individual, stalking this blog. You are lucky that blocking is all you get when found. Unbelievable!

        • The USA has the best of everything. And freedom as well. Go visit the other countries in the world and you’d see we are at the top. But not for long. We are on our way to an authorian dictatorship control by the wealthiest people. The rest of us will soon be subjects need to find the lashish lifestyle of the 1%. It’s about creed now. Freedom is lost

      • Or maybe he didn’t ask it sarcastically at all, maybe he asked it quite genuinely and you choose to read it as sarcasm because you don’t have any good reason to love DJT and you know it. You know his “policies” are based on authoritarianism, bigotry, bisexuality phobia, fascism, gynophobia, homophobia, intolerance of an informed disagreement, isolationism, misogyny, prejudice, racism, rape, sexual assault/molestation, transgenderphobia, white supremacy, and xenophobia and you are too ashamed to admit it.

        • “You know his “policies” are based on authoritarianism, bigotry, bisexuality phobia, fascism, gynophobia, homophobia, intolerance of an informed disagreement, isolationism, misogyny, prejudice, racism, rape, sexual assault/molestation, transgenderphobia, white supremacy, and xenophobia and you are too ashamed to admit it.”

          Gloriamarie, I see you go through this list of “phobias” and “isms” a lot.

          Can you lay out the policies Trump has enacted that are based on the list you have provided?

            • Jeff, s a registered Republican, his policies are those of the GOP and they are fraught with the evils I mention

              https://www.gop.com/platform/

              BTW, what is at least one thing that causes you to continue to support him? You are avoiding the question.

            • Gloriamarie,

              All due respect, I never asked about his whole life…there is a lot about him personally that I do not like.

              You said his policies were based on misogyny, rape, homophobia, etc. So I’m asking which specific policies are based on the list you gave?

              So far, I have not seen any policy that is based on rape, homophobia, or sexual assault. Can you outline the policies that support these things?

              • His appoint of Neil Giorsuch might fundamentally adversely affect the sexual harassment in the workplace laws. That’s a policy based on sexual assault.

                Stephen Bannon is his chief adviser and is a white supremacist.

                Read all about his Executive Orders which prove the point

                http://www.businessinsider.com/trump-executive-orders-memorandum-proclamations-presidential-action-guide-2017-1/#executive-order-april-29-the-office-of-trade-and-manufacturing-policy-2

                • “His appoint of Neil Giorsuch might fundamentally adversely affect the sexual harassment in the workplace laws. That’s a policy based on sexual assault”

                  Okay, you said one of the things Trump’s policies is based on is rape…and this is the best you can do? Gorsuch MIGHT adversely affect sexual harassment inthe workplace? Is there any REAL evidence that Gorsuch would rule in favor of an actual rapist in the workplace? I mean, saying Trump’s policies are based on rape is a pretty serious charge…you would have to show more evidence than what you’ve shown to back it up.

                  I believe Steven Bannon is a sleazy opportunists, but I don’t believe he is an actual white supremacists…as far as I know he has never made any statements supporting white supremacy. What disturbs me about Bannon is his willingness to use racists on the alt-right to further his political goals. I’ll give you Bannon because that was a horrible decision on Trump’s part.

                  His executive orders don’t prove what you’re saying. Also, your “phobist” list was much longer than three points…where is the rest?

                  • Jeff, at this point and having read so many of your posts and replies, it comes clear that you do not know the Republican Party and you have not been paying attention to Trump’s tweets, comments or the damage he can do.

                    You seem not to realize: the ‘snowballs prove Climate Change is not real’ and the ‘God will take care of the earth so we don’t have to’ who refused to make the court appointments needed under Obama (not just Scalia’s seat) are now packing courts with conservatives who think only they understand the Constitution. That our relations with the rest of the world have never been more tenuous. That we all know the conservatives are no friends to minorities, the LGBTQ, women, and for all their “patriotic” bluster, not the military and public servants either. And the poor, the working poor and the middle class will only continue to suffer.

                    You seem to think we just base our opinions on made up memes…but we don’t. And despite your best efforts, there is NOTHING you can point to as assurances we are wrong.

                  • Jeff, please cease to actin this disingenuous manner.

                    Since he has zero qualifications, and is tempermently unfit for the office he holds, and since his personality is based on authoritarianism, bigotry, bisexuality phobia, discrimination, fascism, gynophobia, homophobia, intolerance of that which is different, intolerance of those who are different from one’s self, intolerance of those who disagree with one’s self, intolerance of an informed disagreement, isolationism, misogyny, prejudice, racism, rape, sexual assault/molestation, transgenderphobia, white supremacy, and xenophobia, I fail to see how anyone of inteligence could be anything by alarmd by Trump.

                    I post all sorts of information every day in my FBgroup,

                    One way to persist in resistance is my FB group, Gloriamarie’s Progressive Stuff, where I post actions, petitions, info, actual news, evidence, facts. There’s a pinned post that I highly recommend people read. I also ask a screening question so I can keep the spammers and the trolls out. All who read this are invited.

                    https://www.facebook.com/groups/gloriamariesprogressivepetitions/

          • Gloriamarie, it’s a trap. If I can’t get through to my reasonable friends what Trump is all about I surely doubt anyone can in a post. They will have to see it for themselves.

            By the way, I just got “slapped in the face” for sharing a devotional with my Christian co-workers because of who I am. They are convinced I am my lesbian co-workers are going to hell and they shouldn’t accept any devotionals from me or any of us LGBTQ co-workers. Basically they told us that we aren’t Christians. It. will. never. end. Some days I just wished I worked at home. (Sigh)

            • {{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{Robin}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}} wrote “By the way, I just got “slapped in the face” for sharing a devotional with my Christian co-workers because of who I am.”

              I am so very sorry. I hate it that superstitious ignoramuses did this. God made you who you are and that is enough for me. You can share a devotional with me any day.

              I offer devotionals to all who want them.

              One can’t help but notice the many voices of those who are disillusioned by their experiences in various churches in the USA. Hard not to be, really, if one is a critical thinker. Herd not to be when one is a caring, compassionate, tender person.

Refuge is offered in the Facebook group ”Celebrate What Christians Have in Common” where a daily buffet is spread of Asceticism and art, cartoons and quotes, comics and contemplation, memes and meditations, music and musings, photographs and prayers, just about anything that is one of the many voices from the many flavors of Christianity.

              There is one discipline required of all who join: one must not utter a negative word because this space is a refuge, a respite, a place of peace and quiet. If one chooses to engage in discussion one may only write about one can affirm in the selection. No arguments, no vitriolic words, no spammers and trolls will be tolerated,

Please come and celebrate what Christians have in common and let us together remember our faith is based upon God, Jesus, and the Holy Spirit and not the actions and choices of frail, sinful human beings.

              https://www.facebook.com/groups/1409874399270377/

            • Robin, how awful. Didn’t anyone stand up for you. This makes my heart hurt. I believe you are a Christian and I don’t give a fig whether you are straight, gay or otherwise. You have shown by your comments what a lovely human being you are. That is all that matters. Peace and Love,

            • Oh Robin! It just breaks my heart when so called Christians show themselves to be cruel bigots! I am really sorry you have to be around them, but sadly they are everywhere.

              Know we love you and appreciate and value your love of Jesus and your accurate understanding of how Jesus would have received you.

              ♫ “The times they are a changin’ ♪ just not fast enough.

              https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e7qQ6_RV4VQ

              “Come gather ’round people
              Wherever you roam
              And admit that the waters
              Around you have grown
              And accept it that soon
              You’ll be drenched to the bone.
              If your time to you
              Is worth savin’
              Then you better start swimmin’
              Or you’ll sink like a stone
              For the times they are a-changin’.
              Come writers and critics
              Who prophesies with your pen
              And keep your eyes wide
              The chance won’t come again
              And don’t speak too soon
              For the wheel’s still in spin
              And there’s no tellin’ who
              That it’s namin’.
              For the loser now
              Will be later to win
              For the times they are a-changin’.
              Come senators, Congressmen
              Please heed the call
              Don’t stand in the doorway
              Don’t block up the hall
              For he that gets hurt
              Will be he who has stalled
              There’s a battle outside
              And it is ragin’.
              It’ll soon shake your windows
              And rattle your walls
              For the times they are a-changin’.
              Come mothers and fathers
              Throughout the land
              And don’t criticize
              What you can’t understand
              Your sons and your daughters
              Are beyond your command
              Your old road is
              Rapidly agin’.
              Please get out of the new one
              If you can’t lend your hand
              For the times they are a-changin’.
              The line it is drawn
              The curse it is cast
              The slow one now
              Will later be fast
              As the present now
              Will later be past
              The order is
              Rapidly fadin’.
              And the first one now
              Will later be last
              For the times they are a-changin’.”

      • Is there an answer to the original question? What do you admire? What do you think he is doing that benefits our country or the world? It would be nice to understand what you believe that could be.

      • Inconvenient Truth, Ignore the sarcasm. If you are a supporter of trump, please do tell us what you love most about him? Because I for one would like to know. Feel free to list the reasons if there are many. Because I find the list above the many reasons why I do NOT love trump as president.

        • Inconvenient Truth is actually the troll of many names who has been banned from this blog more than once and sneaks back on. Several of us would recommend that he be ignored.

        • Sarah, Inconvenient Truth is actually the troll of many names who has been banned from this blog more than once and sneaks back on. Several of us would recommend that he be ignored.

    • I agree. I cringe ever time he says he “is a Christian.” He said in a speech, “I’m a greedy man. I love money.” The Bible says the love of money is the root of all evil. He said his favorite Bible verse is “an eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth.” This is Old Testament and the exact opposite of what Christ taught. I wish he and the GOP who support him and claim to be Christians also, would call themselves Abramamites, Mosesianians, or Joshuaites …anything but defaming the name of Christ, who said Heal the sick, not Kill the sick. Trump and the GOPs actions are neither Christian or patriotic. I know many people who are at church every week that support Trump and frankly, I can’t reconcile the two facts. They tell me Trump will “shake things up.” When I ask them how is that working now, with the world thinking he is a tantrum throwing child. A couple have told me that “at least he is white and not a woman.” Because, according to them (Texas guys) the founding fathers were all white men and they knew only white men should be President. I grew up in the Jim Crow south in 50’s &60’s, during Civil Right marches, KKK, segregation, integration, Viet Nam, and the lack of many rights for women. I thought our country was making progress, but now, after 50 years, I often feel I’m right back in the Jim Crow South. And women’s rights, well we all saw McCain and how he interrupted only Kamala Harris every meeting, and never any of the men. Was it racist? Misogynistic? or both? Maybe, he is like many southern men and male relatives I know and just fears a strong woman. (not all Southern white men, but many)

      • Thank you D.D. Epperson, you are speaking directly to my aching heart. Being disappointed in politics is not new to me, being so ashamed and bewildered by so-called Christians is. Sad to say, but even their race and LGBTQ bias I could see as being Biblical if you use a tiny lens and pull things out of context, but the support of Trump and worse, the trumped up reasons for it, like he will “do something” about abortion and “tell the truth” is just plain disgusting and has no basis in Biblical fact unless we are back to having rulers we must just obey.

        My heart is broken for America and the promise I thought it held for my children and the future and it is even more broken for a church that is killing itself in the reach for political power. There is a world of difference in believing God is on your side and living so that you are on his, that so many fail to see.

        Thanks for your great comment.

    • Sandi. No truer words ever spoken. I well remember the 1970s and 1980s when when Jerry Falwell, Pat Robertson, and Republican political operative Paul Weyrich were trying to get the American church interested in conservative politics. If America were to be a great nation, the President must always be a THOROUGHLY GODLY MAN—because we were not just electing a President—we were electing our NATIONAL SHEPHERD PASTOR who would lead all the American people to God, “true” Christianity, and the Promised Land.

      Donald Trump is the 180 degree opposite of that BENCHMARK STANDARD they set for America Presidents—and their garbage-smelling hypocrisy in doing exactly the opposite of that has raised a huge stench that every American has either already smelled or will smell before this mess with Trump is over. It will be the undoing of the Republican Party, Christian fundamentalism/evangelicalism, and the so-called “Religious Right” in this country.

    • I see those Christians as counterparts to the Pharisees during Jesus the Christ’s time. I see the money changers as Trump and company in ‘our’ temple now. Calling yourself a Christian, and following the Old Testament, doesn’t make you a CHRISTian… Great post.. Namaste

      • Kristin- as a gay male- people- including people in my immediate family- have been wishing I was dead since I was a child. I’LL WISH DEATH ON DONALD TRUMP UNTIL HE’S DEAD. I actually shoot him with my finger/hand/gun every time I see him on TV! Sound effects and all! Bam Bam Bam Bam Bam! It’s dirty work I know- but somebody’s got to do it. Thanks. Turning my other cheek for you! It’s all in the intent! And trust me- there’s no karma involved- because I’m a karma deliverer…

        • Bruce. Quite seriously, I do not think your services will ever be needed. Donald Trump is more proficient in self- destruction and self-suicide than any actual or would be assassin could ever hope to be. Instead of engaging in such fantasies or actualities, you would be better off just kicking back, relaxing, and watching Trump demise himself.—which he does with extraordinary efficiency each day of his life. Chill bud. It’s gonna be okay.

  2. The sad part here is that you are preaching to the choir – since I am sure his supporters have no interest in reading what you have to say. As friends have said, they are still “drinking the Kool-Aid.”

  3. From what I’ve seen, it seems to be that what they like most about Trump is that “the left” is horrified by what he’s doing. This truly does seem to be a weird, tribalistic-inspired, pre-adolescent temper tantrum or acting out, where they take delight in “sticking it to the other guy.” I’m so disappointed in a political party that mainly seems to have “I hate more than 50% of my fellow citizens” as its most enduring principle.

    Bernie supporter here, and not a fan of Hillary, although I voted for her in the general election.

    • Mousekeeter, I see where you are coming from. It is difficult for a lot of people to understand why someone would vote for an semi-fascist blowhard fraud with an apparent disdain for reading and even thinking. In a way I do. His vote came for the rural areas, the areas of the country “Obama’s recovery” forgot. I have seen these communities beaten to hell. Few jobs available, pain, broken bodies from previous work, and drug abuse is rampant in their small semi-
      authoritarian towns with authoritarian churches. They were perfectly primed for a snake-oil salesman to roll in and give him their soul for something, anything, that will restore their dignity, give them someone to blame for their plight. Imagine the desperation and hopelessness that caused people to support a dumb, thin skinned, impulsive fraud, even in their own eyes, for a presidential candidate that would actually TALK to them.

      Now Trump is retaining power by one means and one means only, keep everyone divided and fighting among themselves. No one faction them can mount opposition against him. No clear chain of command, no competent administrators for his departments, no one in power that can unify opposition. Supporting anti-intellectualism in the Executive Branch and clearing out experts while the wealthy disciples of Mammon become even more wealth as the expense, and possible premature deaths, of millions of Americans.

      • Oh, Robin, you are right. It is a dreadful commentary on our country.

        I also know some Very Wealthy people around here who voted for him because they thought he would make them wealthier.

      • Sadly, you are so right. You have expressed it well. I live in one of those small rural towns. I have only lived here for 8 years since I retired and I see what you are saying so clearly. The sad thing is that now they will lose their medicaid, their disability, and in many cases their lives. It is so sad.

    • I think there is some truth to this. As a Republican who isn’t really a fan of Trump I must admit that I get a kick out of it when he slams the leftist biased media. He pisses off a lot of the wrong people, but he does piss off a lot of the right people as well.

      • Jeff, if there really was only or even mainly “the leftist biased media,” how did Trump or any of the other majority Congressional and State Republicans get elected? Do you never even see the fallacy in claiming we are all so falsely informed by “the leftist biased media” that you folks keep winning?

        • You’re assuming that a leftist biased media would guarantee that Democrats would always win. This is not necessarily the case. The fact that Republican candidates have won elections does not automatically mean the media is not biased.

          As a matter of fact, I’d argue that one of the reasons Trump won is because the media’s biased reporting backfired on them. People want news, not propaganda. That’s why so many Americans no longer trust the news media.

          • I think the leftist media helped Trump tremendously during the primary because he was a “clown” who didn’t stand a chance, with the intention of turning on him, of course, during the general election. But you’re right. It backfired. He was probably the most electable of the group at that time, and had such a loyal base, the media dirty tricks such as releasing that 10 year old audio or conspiring with the Clinton camp to cheat during the debates had no effect.

            They have deservedly lost much credibility and I appreciate that Trump calls them out often.

            • The so-called “liberal media” are biased. They are biased toward a thing called TRUTH. Jesus said that truth would become a very unpopular thing and that people would not want to hear it. As it turns out,Jesus was correct. Fox News is known to be the most biased and lie-laden news service in the United States—and there are statistics to prove it. If you want to search through my blog, there is an article there that contains the statistics:

              https://faith17983.wordpess.com/

              The Fox News network was developed and put on the air for the specific purpose of feeding to American conservatives the biased news and lies that they want to hear rather than the real news on the other stations that is TRUTH. Fox News is first and foremost a propaganda machine to tickle the itching ears of American conservatives who want nothing to do with real TRUTH. The only people who are not aware of this are the idiots feeding at the Fox News feeding trough. Dr. Joseph Goebbels would have been proud of what Rupert Murdoch achieved with Fox News—the deceiving of 50 percent of an entire nation.

              • “The so-called “liberal media” are biased. They are biased toward a thing called TRUTH. Jesus said that truth would become a very unpopular thing and that people would not want to hear it. As it turns out,Jesus was correct. Fox News is known to be the most biased and lie-laden news service in the United States—and there are statistics to prove it.”

                That’s hilarious. Where are these statistics? Do you have a link? As far as I know, there have been two major studies this year on media bias and Fox News was found to be more balanced than the other major news networks.

                “Dr. Joseph Goebbels would have been proud of what Rupert Murdoch achieved with Fox News—the deceiving of 50 percent of an entire nation.”

                Lol okay you had me laughing before, but this just takes the cake. Josef Goebbels? Really? Exaggerate much?

                  • And here is one more Harvard Research Project:

                    “Whereas media coverage helped build up Trump, it helped tear down Clinton. Trump’s positive coverage was the equivalent of millions of dollars in ad-buys in his favor, whereas Clinton’s negative coverage can be equated to millions of dollars in attack ads, with her on the receiving end. Of the eight news outlets in our study, Fox News easily led the way. Clinton received 291 negative reports on Fox, compared with only 39 positive ones, most of which were in the context of poll results that showed her with a wide lead. By comparison, Sanders was the subject of 79 positive reports on Fox and 31 negative reports. In terms of tone and volume combined, Clinton’s most favorable coverage was provided by The Wall Street Journal and The New York Times, largely in the context of her poll position as the presumptive nominee. In other contexts, their coverage of Clinton, like that of the other six outlets, was more negative than positive in tone.”

                    https://shorensteincenter.org/pre-primary-news-coverage-2016-trump-clinton-sanders/#_ftnref22

          • No Jeff, I think you and others on the right who constantly lament this powerful “leftist biased media” everyone should be so aware and leery of as some force to be combated and dismissed is a myth.

            If it exists where you all claim, it seems to be doing you all “Yuge” favors, election after election after election. The fact that Republican candidates have consistently won elections means it is a made up issue. You just refuse to admit it. Few people worry about something that is having no appreciable impact.

            If Trump was the only Republican who won instead of the final leg in Republican control of our Legislative, Judicial and Executive branches of federal government, in addition to many state governments, you might have a point about some “backfire.” As it is, no way.

            The fact of the popularity of the right-wing media empire more than proves people want their bias confirmed not just the news. They prefer spin to facts. That seems obvious.

            • It means that Republicans would have won more elections than they have. It also means that Trump would be treated fairly instead of being under siege by an hysterical press.

              Less than 10% of the mainstream media is comprised of Republicans.

              • Joe. That is because the mainstream media loves the truth rather than lies. Journalism classes in college teach that finding and reporting the TRUTH is utmost and the only ethical thing to do. Those who have decided to work at FOX News and other such places have abandoned the ethics they were taught in school to follow after and cater to the Satanic urges of the right wing extremists in this country.

              • LOL, 10%…that high eh? We cannot help it if the media is more intelligent than those who chose to be Republicans. Maybe someone should check on why that is instead of whining about it. “The facts have a well-known liberal bias” ~ Rob Corddry The only reason that right-wing media came into existence was for spin and distortion of fact. You prove the failure in their success quite often.

            • “If it exists where you all claim, it seems to be doing you all “Yuge” favors, election after election after election. The fact that Republican candidates have consistently won elections means it is a made up issue. You just refuse to admit it. Few people worry about something that is having no appreciable impact.”

              As I said before, Republicans winning does not automatically mean the media is not biased. It’s not a matter of me refusing to admit it…it’s me looking at the evidence. The studies show that the media is clearly biased in favor of the left.

              Republicans won because people were tired of Obama’s policies and the fact that the media constantly lies to them.

              The data shows that the majority of news outlets are biased towards the left. It’s an obvious fact…unless of course, you have any recent studies that show the majority of the media is balanced? I’d love to see it.

              • Jeff, you can say it till the cows come home, it is still not accurate. The right-wing media empire’s influence has helped the Right win elections, hearts and minds. If the media was so clearly biased toward the left, or if the media had so much influence with that bias, that winning would not be the case. You may not like it, but the results prove it is true.

                What studies actually find: “Pew’s research suggests that people think the other guy’s media are spreading lies while one’s own are, relatively, a paragon of truth.”

                “A clear majority (66 percent) say news organizations in general are “often inaccurate.” But the figure drops precipitously (to 30 percent) when people are asked the same question about the news organization “you use most.” Jurkowitz said this is the analogue of how people feel about Congress — most give low marks to lawmakers in general, but they vote to reelect their incumbent representative more than 90 percent of the time.”

                https://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/style/how-biased-is-the-media-really/2012/04/27/gIQA9jYLmT_story.html?utm_term=.a654bf228a1c

  4. Come on Pro Trump people. Comment on John’s post. It must be annoying enough to engender a response, and those of us who don’t support him clearly do not understand where you are coming from. Many of us would like to know.

    • I just come here daily for the hearty dose of schadenfreude.

      You and John aren’t interested in Trump supporter’s reasons. Those have been well documented elsewhere. So in the immortal words of the dread pirate roberts I repeat – “We are men of action, lies are beneath us.”

      Next time – run a better candidate.

        • Exactly RollieB! SO WHAT? Is that really all they can offer? And how is that even a defense of this vile man? I get that you believe the accusations against Clinton and refuse to believe them against Trump, but that too speaks to their lack of credibility. It does not bolster Trump’s.

          • Actually, I would take it a step farther, it’s a man not a woman who was elected. I think for some it’s as simple as that.

          • I believe the accusations against Clinton and most of the accusations against Trump. I think most people do.

            Perhaps that’s why there was a lot of alcohol consumption on the day of the election? Or maybe I’m just projecting…

      • Oddly, I have never found any reasons to continue blindly supporting 45, despite any positive, glowing, spin anyone might use to justify his bumbling vulgarity. Dunning-Kreuger, maybe?

      • Very interesting….your reason for supporting him is comparing him/them (the quote uses the word “we”) to a dreaded pirate.
        Pirate: 1) a person who attacks & robs ships 2) use or reproduce (another’s work) for profit without permission. 3) rob or plunder

        Next time – run a better candidate 😊

  5. Strangely enough, I suspect his supporters see these criticisms as positive points, from what little I’ve gathered from glancing over the divide. The completely offensive stuff is either brushed off as meaningless or denied as fake news, and they really believe we are making this stuff up. The NY Times is fake; the Atlantic, Washington Post, BBC World News, the New Yorker, on and on. A friend who has actually looked at Breitbart says the articles are generally a brief paragraph in length, so no in-depth reporting there. This divide is terrifyingly big. Reasoning does nothing. Someone whom I know socially as a generous good-hearted woman said some things on Facebook about “godless” Obama that had me in utter disbelief. I won’t challenge her. There’s no need. These chickens are coming home to roost, sooner or later.

  6. He takes responsibility for what he is, does, says

    He sets standards for those around him

    He does not let the Press, Media, Public opinion Bully him in to situations and thinking.

    He can stand in the face of Bad Political people and take a stand, tell it like he sees it.

    Respect Pass It on

      • This! My exact thought, I’d like to ask this person their definition of these terms, maybe it will give some insight into their thought process, and where it went wrong.

      • I don’t think he’s ever taken responsibility for anything he’s done in his whole life! Where on earth did you get that tidbit? Standards? Are you kidding me? He has no standards. He’s gotten by his entire life lying and conning. I don’t get people like you. Are you wearing rose-colored glasses perhaps?

      • Yes, “baffling” indeed! It is almost comical, except the damage is real. And it certainly speaks to their credibility on anything else.

    • Thank you Christopher for at least having the conviction to answer the question. It has been my experience that most Trump supporters are very quiet about it, or can’t express exactly what it is they value in him. You explained it very clearly. Although I value the qualities you listed (and would love to see them in a candidate), I disagree that Trump possesses these qualities. Standing against bad politics/politicians, for instance, is a great quality. When did he do that? All I saw him do was stand against those who won’t help him get richer through corrupt business deals and tax breaks while staffing a bunch of super-swampy typical spoiled brat type politicians, bankers, and businessmen. The spoiled brats come in red and blue. I am certainly not saying it is a Republican problem. I am saying that I value what you value – an ethical politician…a person should have convictions and substance in order to lead. Trump is not those things. He has not done one thing since taking office that helped anyone but the uber rich and his inner circle. He is not looking out for you unless you are looking for a tax break for your multimillion dollar bonus this year, or a way to leave millions in inheritance to your children without them having to pay taxes on it. Somehow I doubt that is where you are in life. No offense, but most people aren’t. Our leaders must serve the general population, not the 1%.

    • I think Christopher is being genuine. There are a segment of people that like Trump simply because he gives the middle finger to the establishment and social decorum. In short, they don’t care what he does as long as he is a jerk to the people the don’t like.

      • Oh I think he is “being genuine” too Brenda. He was genuine when his love of God insulted Obama. He was genuine when his love of God insulted Clinton and he is genuine now in his love of God as he praises Trump for things he has not done and acts he is incapable of. This is the kind of divide no bridge can be built to cross. If you use your love of God for politicians (especially if they do not deserve it), your light is under a bushel for sure.

    • Your comment that he does not let outside opinion “bully him into situations and thinking” is illuminating. It seems as if nothing makes him think. As for taking responsibility for what he says and does, we are continually reading tweets from this man that lay blame for every difficult situation on someone else.

    • I am sorry Christopher, but I see the exact opposite and am amazed by the characterizations you have chosen. How do we bridge this divide?

  7. I live in the heart of trump country and teach in a school where some 80% of my colleagues voted for him. They still support him and I suspect they will for the long term, and if he is impeached or resigns they will shake their heads at the unfairness of it all. Three key things I see: First, they are evangelicals who follow their leaders, and when Franklin Graham preaches to the crowd that trump is God’s choice and was elected through the power of their prayer, my colleagues buy it as gospel truth. Second, they are pro life and have already been rewarded by the appointment of Gorsuch to the Supreme Court. Nothing. else. matters. to. them. A distant third on the list is the issue of entitlements. When a member of their family receives disability or workman’s comp, or whatever, it is God’s will and the answer to prayer, but when the faceless, nameless “others” receive benefits, they are lazy freeloaders. There is some misogyny and racism and homophobia and distrust of science and other religions, but they are impervious to facts and devoid of compassion and a world view. It is a stone wall.

    • Many other things matter to the pro-lifers, but to people who have compassion for the unborn, having killed 50,000,000 innocent babies because of “choice” since Roe v Wade is huge. So yes, Gorsuch is a big reason to love Donald Trump, and hopefully he will appoint more similar to him.

      But the pastor who preaches anti-Trump instead of about Salvation has a laundry list of reasons why we’re supposed to hate him, and that’s really what this post is about. Feeding his flock their daily dose of anti-Trump hate.

      One thing I noticed on the list for now is regarding “defunding” public schools, as if all funds would be removed, but I do love the idea of doing more privatizing of schooling and breaking the greedy teachers union monopolies. When more money is demanded for public education it’s because they unions have their hands out. Home schooling and private schooling as well as using today’s technology could cut a lot of costs. But then there would not only be less money for the union goons, but the liberal teachers would have less opportunity to indoctrinate their students. So to extreme leftists like the blog host, putting education back in the hands of the people is a threat.

      There are too many other things to address in his litany of hate, and I have a real job, unlike many here whose job is to post online all day.

      • Sure Joe now “Inconvenient”, there are “Many other things” that matter to you, like stalking this blog for instance.

        Let me reiterate since you continue to lie about being pro-life, that it means much more than just voting for a cretin who lies that he will use the force of law to force birth or punish women who seek abortion. Until you support doing those other things, neither you, nor Trump, nor Gorsuch are “pro-life” you are merely pro-force.

        The internet stalker who tries to tell a pastor what he should blog about is a real knee-slapper. No one has to preach anti-Trump, and no one does it better than Trump himself.

        Why don’t you get your sick stalking obsession looked at or move on to your own “flock?”

        Whatever you “love” is what people should run from, Joe.

        • Wow, Sandi! If this is how those people who try to answer the blog question are treated, then I want none of the “religion” touted in this blog!!! Multiple times people have been asked to give reasons why they support Trump and every time anyone tries to answer, they are mercilessly derided. I guess you people really don’t want an answer!!!! Is it just a rhetorical question?
          Maybe you should cast the beam out of your own eye so you can see clearly to remove the rod from your brother’s!

          • I’m so sorry Pat, were any of you told that no one would comment on your posts? I totally missed that memo, but you will need to re-send it to those who harass (even after being banned) us as well. Surely even you can see this is not a one-way street?

          • Pat, are you new here? Or are you Joe, he of the many aliases?

            If you are new, then possibly you could refrain from kneejerk reactions until you get to us better.

            I say that because this blog is trolled by a persistent and pernicious person who posts venom in a vicious manner. His stated goals are that he enjoys upsetting people and wants to the destroy the blog. He has been banned a number of times because of his failure to conduct himself in an appropriate manner.

            Of course, if you are one of his many aliases, you already know this.

      • Yessir, the Republican parallel universe is alive and functioning. I swear, Trump supporters wouldn’t know the truth if it walked up, shook their hands and introduced itself.

    • Spot on. You described all Franklin Graham supporters. Some are worse though and really hate Muslims and LGBT too

      • You should have heard the diatribe I saw or read where Ann Graham Lotz was giving her opinion on Islam and Muslims. Talk about a hate rant!!!! I think the Billy Graham who was 50 years old would have been extremely disappointed in the things his daughter said and in the way they were said.

    • Well done cherylann, I think you nailed it all. Sad, but true. Clearly, “spiritual maturity and discernment” is totally subjective and only means, if you agree with them, you have it. If you don’t agree with them in support of Trump, you “ain’t got it.”

    • There is so much truth in what you are saying, cherylann. I, too, have heard most of these things from my relatives who support #45. Especially the part about how their family deserves assistance, but everyone else is freeloading. It makes me despair for our society, for sure.

  8. Are we in some bizarre alternate comic book reality wherein John Adam’s “Tyranny of the Majority” underwent an ironic Copernican inversion through the electoral college and thrust upon our greaat land the Trump regime? ¡Aye chihuahua!

    • Yep!!! Satan has been at hard at work, and the election of Donald J. Trump was one of his grandest and most destructive achievements. He deceived Christian fundamentalists and conservative evangelicals into following his lead in this matter, and he is laughing his hind end off in thrills over his achievements.

  9. Mr. Pavlovitz: don’t say you’re curious when you lead your story with loaded questions…you are doing the same thing as the person who asks “when did you stop beating your wife?”. If you were truly curious, you would have left it at the open question. But, to answer your question (as if you really care), the reason I still am in support of Donald Trump as the President of our country is because despite all the accusations you made, he is still better for country than Hillary Clinton would have ever been.

    • There is no politician – including Hillary Clinton – who would have been worse than Donald Trump. To believe otherwise is to live in an alternate reality, where indicators of human virtue are: bankruptcy, sexual assault, pettiness, money-laundering, lack of self-control, narcissism, ignorance, arrogance, racism, misogyny, corruption, demagoguery, dishonesty and treason.

      I suggest to understand Trump supporters, just look at the Bizarro World code.

      http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/2116/144/1600/Adventure_Comics_286-2-03.jpg

    • Michael Navarro, do not let anyone tell you that you can be a writing critic…John P uses rhetorical questions and flourishes to communicate his point, but sure, go on and go down the list and explain Trump’s nuanced policy we just don’t understand for all the things he listed.

      Trump is also not Hitler. Not Satan. Not Jeffrey Dahmer. Does that put him on Rushmore? That you still support him in all his malevolent failure BECAUSE he is not Clinton says more about you than it does him.

    • M.N. –this would be a good time for Progressives to exercise patience, perseverance, long suffering, forgiveness, kindness, hospitality, faith in Jesus, love. [Knowing they will have a chance to Vote in their Candidate soon enough. ]

      This is the day the Lord has made, let us be glad and rejoice!

      (At the very least, I wish JP would have waited until Congressman Scalise was out of critical condition before the incendiary hate speech continued, but Pastor John didn’t even pause to catch his breath.)

      • Sure leslie m, just like all on the right “waited” or “paused” to catch their breath when Gabby Giffords was shot or when an abortion clinic was bombed, or when an abortion doctor was killed, or when a right-winger went into a Unitarian Church and “shot liberals”…sure we can all wish that.

      • Leslie. Maybe you can tell us why we should “exercise patience, perseverance, long suffering, forgiveness, kindness, hospitality, faith in Jesus, love” toward a President that is clearly Satanic in nature, supports Satanic policies, and is probably one of Satan’s greatest joys right now—along with Vladimir Putin and Kim Jong Un?

        • “Maybe you can tell us why we should “exercise patience, perseverance, long suffering, forgiveness, kindness, hospitality, faith in Jesus, love” toward a President that is clearly Satanic in nature, supports Satanic policies, and is probably one of Satan’s greatest joys right now—along with Vladimir Putin and Kim Jong Un?”

          Great point. Donald Trump is every bit as bad as Putin, who murders and journalists and others who choose to oppose him. As a matter of fact, Putin’s illegal annexation of Crimea and the many people whose lives he has destroyed pale in comparison to Trump.

          And don’t get me started on Kim Jong Un. That guy WISHES he could achieve the type of evil Trump represents. Keeping his people in perpetual starvation and brutally executing members of his own family are nowhere near the level of evil to which the Orange President has reached. The fact that he fed his own uncle to a pack of hungry dogs is like a normal Monday morning for Mr. Trump.

          That was a brilliant observation.

      • Yessir, the Republican parallel universe is alive and functioning. I swear, Trump supporters wouldn’t know the truth if it walked up, shook their hands and introduced itself.

  10. Out of the same curiosity on Dec. 4, 2016, during the transition period when The Donald was making his ludicrous and disturbing nominations, I posed the question to his voters how they reconciled his campaign promises in their heads with his massive conflict of interests, unqualified nominees, and failure to release tax returns. I received no responses either online or offline from them in my effort to reach out from my bubble to understand how they could have supported this liar, braggart, and unqualified candidate. I have to agree with Betsy Gottsegen here that I have in my posting informative articles that I have been preaching to the choir. Respondents tell me The Donald supporters do not read those articles.

    • Olivia Diamond wrote “Respondents tell me The Donald supporters do not read those articles.”

      Do they read at all? Because the comprehension level of some of the responses here make me wonder if they were ever taught to look for the main idea in a piece, look for the evidence and facts that support an idea. Because critical thinking skills seem to be lacking.

      I’ve wondered sometimes if this is the revenge of the undereducated who are ashamed of their lack of education and so lash out in negative unconstructed ways against us.

      There have been peer-reviewed studies done that show a general trend between levels of education and where one falls on the conservative/liberal continuum. Generally, people with college degrees tend to be more liberal while people with high school diplomas only tend to be more conservative.

      • If it’s true, and I doubt that it is, it could be not a product of education but of indoctrination and peer pressure, as sadly lefwingers have taken over colleges and universities.

      • Ignorance and lack of education are two of Satan’s most powerful tools in practicing his artistic lies and deceptions on the masses, However, it is no surprise that much of our nation has been so easily deceived. Christian fundamentalism and conservative evangelicalism across the nation are the preferred religions of the ignorant and poorly educated masses. Christian fundamentalism and conservative evangelicalism mouth the words of Jesus in the New Testament, but as Jesus said of such people, their hearts are far from him. Heartlessly taking healthcare insurance away from 24, 000, 000 Americans and cheering about it is prima facie proof of it. Neither they nor the Republican Party love the people Jesus loved most.

      • Gloriamarie, I think the election of 2016 was very much “the revenge of the undereducated,” but I do not think they are at all “ashamed of their lack of education.”

        The clear disdain of the Christian Right for education is from hubris, not shame. Every industry has a joke about “the college boy” and how his ‘book sense’ was no match for the old-timer’s wealth of experience and knowledge. They feast on their lack of being part of the ‘educated elite’. That is why they reject science, history and education. ALL are dangerous to their dogma.

        Oh yes, they did “lash out in negative unconstructed ways” by helping elect Trump but the joke will be on them because they will continue to see the short-end of the stick just as surely as we will and while it is an old saying that “misery loves company”, enjoying what goes “against us” will not really mitigate what comes against them.

        Another old adage comes to mind: “Don’t shoot yourself in the foot.”

        • Sandi wrote “They feast on their lack of being part of the ‘educated elite’. That is why they reject science, history and education. ALL are dangerous to their dogma.”

          Perhaps we shall have to agree to disagree. Yes, on the one hand, I agree they boast and feast but, OTOH, it strikes me as over-compensation for their sense of low self-esteem because they know they are ignorant. They don’t know what to do about it so instead, they boast.

          • I think they consist of both groups. I do know some people who glory in the fact that they don’t need book learning to get along like some people do. I think they truly believe that because somehow they can be superior without doing any work. Then I know people who say it because they ashamed and this makes it better. What amazes me is when I was young, education was all important, we worked hard to get it and the elders around us made sure we got it. They saw that as a way for us to have a better life. Now, it is not the same. If the parents are educated generally the children are pushed in that direction, if the parents aren’t they don’t seem to care. That hasn’t always been true. I think in that kool-aid there is a disdain for education of the masses because if people can think for themselves they won’t buy the garbage that is for sale. You are more likely to keep people in line if they are uneducated. The redder the state, the poorer the education system. My take you are both right.

            • Kathleen B, yes, you are right. I remember when we were told the most important thing we could do was get a college education. Learn to think critically. Learn to teach ourselves what we needed or wanted to learn. We learned how to use the “book learning.”

          • Yes, that’s right. Conservatives are nothing more than ignorant, less intelligent imbeciles with low self-esteem while progressives are at the pinnacle of reason and intelligence.

            Don’t you see that this elitist attitude is why you lost?

            Would it be so bad to just admit that the people with whom you disagree aren’t ignorant, bigoted troglydites? Maybe they are every bit as intelligent as you are, but they see things differently?

            • Jeff, you wrote “Yes, that’s right. Conservatives are nothing more than ignorant, less intelligent imbeciles with low self-esteem while progressives are at the pinnacle of reason and intelligence.”

              I’ve never said anything like this. That you say I did is bearing false witness, if you claim to be a Christian.

              Here is what I think. People who voted for Trump and the GOP whether they meant to or not voted for authoritarianism, bigotry, bisexuality phobia, discrimination, fascism, gynophobia, homophobia, intolerance of that which is different, intolerance of those who are different from one’s self, intolerance of those who disagree with one’s self, intolerance of an informed disagreement, isolationism, misogyny, prejudice, racism, rape, sexual assault/molestation, transgenderphobia, white supremacy, and xenophobia.

              People chose to vote for candidates like this. Why people who claim to be Christians could ever do such a thing, I’ll doubt I’ll ever understand.

  11. Or is it that, according to a cousin who chided me when I responded negatively to her email of pro-trump political cartoons, according to the Bible, God chose trump? ☹️😩😳😣

    • Yes Sharon, an Obama basher for 8 years, assured me that God had a hand in electing Trump…you cannot fix stupid.

    • What hurts to read what you’ve written, Sharon, is that it is hard to think of anyone who acts less like a man of God without comparing him to some of the evilest people of all time.

  12. I thought I read an article that said he took the USA out of the Paris Agreement because he didn’t like the way the French President shook his hand.

    So, Trump supporters, are you willing to allow the USA to be the country that takes the planet past the point of no return?

    I really really really want to know how Trump supporters could possibly still support him in the face of all the evidence that he is unqualified, would rather play golf, and is temperamentally unsuited for the position?

    Because what I think is the case is that you see yourselves in him. You actually like it that he abuses women and bullies other people. You like it that he is not apologetic for his authoritarianism, bigotry, bisexuality phobia, fascism, gynophobia, homophobia, intolerance of an informed disagreement, isolationism, misogyny, prejudice, racism, rape, sexual assault/molestation, transgenderphobia, white supremacy, and xenophobia.

    Because you are all of those things yourselves. And none of you, in the time I have been saying this, have ever named any specific reasons to admire him.

    So why do you still?

    • “I thought I read an article that said he took the USA out of the Paris Agreement because he didn’t like the way the French President shook his hand.”

      And let me guess, you assumed that it’s true without even looking for any evidence to back it up.

      “You like it that he is not apologetic for his authoritarianism, bigotry, bisexuality phobia, fascism, gynophobia, homophobia, intolerance of an informed disagreement, isolationism, misogyny, prejudice, racism, rape, sexual assault/molestation, transgenderphobia, white supremacy, and xenophobia.”

      Still waiting for that list! 😉

      • Jeff wrote ““I thought I read an article that said he took the USA out of the Paris Agreement because he didn’t like the way the French President shook his hand.”

        And let me guess, you assumed that it’s true without even looking for any evidence to back it up.”

        Google it yourself. I don’t have to do homework for people who call me names. Or of you are too lazy yourself, you will find it here if you keep scrolling

        https://www.facebook.com/groups/gloriamariesprogressivepetitions/

  13. The Trump supporter that I know who was most open to reasonable discussion was, oddly enough, our stockbroker. His support of Trump during the election season was articulated most forcefully as being because he wasn’t like other Republican politicians. Looking at the GOP field, who can blame him for wanting something else. And then factor in that voting Republican was likely all he was going to consider…

    Anyway, my reply in our discussions was that Trump was like Republicans on steroids – all the worst attributes of that lousy field, embodied in one person. He disagreed, and voted for Trump in both the primary and general elections.

    My next chance to talk with him was in February, when I asked him if he at least believed me now, when I had made the “on steroids” comment. He said yes. By the way, before the election, he was quite bullish. Now, he’s moving us into safer and more protected options. I think that alone speaks volumes.

    • Mouseketeer wrote “Now, he’s moving us into safer and more protected options. I think that alone speaks volumes.”

      I rejoice for every person who allows the scales to fall from their eyes to see DJT for what he truly is.

      • God love your sweet heart Gloriamarie, but those were not scales, it was hate and believing right-wing lies.

        • Well, Sandi, there must be something blinding them to the truth. All I can do is pray for the Holy Spirit to continue Her sacred work of illumining all minds and softening all hearts.

          • “Since the end result of lack of regulations are things like the West Texas expolsion and, ultimately, irreversible global warming, then does that mean you are also ok with the suffering caused by, for example, West Texas, and the eventual death of the planet as long as you see increased profits in your wallet?”

            I never said that all regulations are bad. But there is no way that the thousands and thousands of regulations we currently have on the books are going to prevent a West Texas-type disaster. I say we keep the ones that are valid, and cut the ones that are not necessary.

            “As for Neil Gorsuch… So you are ok with voter suppression, gerrymandering, discrimination against people due to sexual orientation, disruption of the unions, no birth control, destruction of the First Amendment, discrimination against trans people, sexual harassment in the workplace, the Muslim Ban?”

            Voter suppression? I’m more concerned about preventing voter fraud. Discrimination against LGBTQ? Where is Neil Gorsuch advocating this? Unions? I’m not a big fan of them. Birth control…not seeing how Gorsuch is going to eliminate birth control…can you show me? When has Gorsuch supported sexual harassment in the workplace?

            And finally, the Muslim ban. Gorsuch is going to follow what the law says whether he likes it or not. The constitution gives the president the authority to determine who is allowed to enter the country. That’s not Gorsuch’s fault…take it up with the founders. Besides, if Gorsuch was so horrible, why did he receive so much support from the left when he joined the 9th circuit court of appeals?

            “ISIS is evil. But not all Muslims, not even most Muslims in the world are ISIS. Muslims have made it very clear that ISIS do not represent the true Muslim faith.”

            What’s your point? Nobody is saying all Muslims are evil. ISIS is evil. Evil is bad. Fighting evil = good thing.

            “So in another words, a man with zero political experience, a man with a very short attention span, who boasts about sexually assaulting women, who makes policy decisions based in the way someone shakes his hand, who has loaded the WH with his family, exposes classified information to people who have no business knowing it, is a better choice than a moral woman, a faithful Methodist who has served this country for decades?”

            A moral woman, faithful methodist? I’m sorry, but I laughed out loud when I read this. If you think Hillary Clinton is a moral woman, you haven’t been paying attention. Pay for play, emails, Clinton Foundation, Haiti, selling uranium to the Russians (yes, it wasn’t just Trump that had a troubling relationship with the Kremlin).

            Why do you think so many on the left don’t like her? Why do you think fewer dems came out to vote? She was a HORRIBLE candidate. I’d rather have Obama again than Clinton. Even the people voting for her were just voting against Trump. The reality is that we had two horrible candidates. Trump definitely has his flaws, which I why I’m not a fan of his…but it doesn’t mean I think he’s Satan incarnate.

            “Jeff, you only serve to convince me that people voted for Trump because they approve of authoritarianism, bigotry, bisexuality phobia, fascism, gynophobia, homophobia, intolerance of an informed disagreement, isolationism, misogyny, prejudice, racism, rape, sexual assault/molestation, transgenderphobia, white supremacy, and xenophobia.”

            And there’s your “phobist” list again. Still waiting on the policies that are based on that list.

            • “Voter suppression? I’m more concerned about preventing voter fraud.” And yet the result of attempts to prevent alleged voter fraud definitely do result in voter suppression.

              Voter fraud is difficult to commit. Voter suppression just takes politicians.

              “Discrimination against LGBTQ? Where is Neil Gorsuch advocating this? ”

              Oh you know as well as I do that he is all in favor of businesses discriminating against LGBT people.

              “birth control…not seeing how Gorsuch is going to eliminate birth control…” Because of his stand on the fictitious “religious liberty”

              “What’s your point? Nobody is saying all Muslims are evil. ISIS is evil. Evil is bad. Fighting evil = good thing.” Your boy Trump says this and so do the many Trump supportes here.

              Read this about Hillary. You have been swallowing lies from the GOP because they know she is a formiadble person>

              http://www.dailykos.com/story/2016/6/11/1537582/-The-most-thorough-profound-and-moving-defense-of-Hillary-Clinton-I-have-ever-seen

  14. I’m a Republican, but I’m not a fan of Trump. I did not support him during the primaries. Now since he is the president, I support him as my president…just as I did with Obama.

    While there are a number of things I do not like about the president, I do think there are some positive aspects to his presidency. I certainly don’t believe the alarmist attitude many progressives have about him. I don’t believe he is a fascist, or anything resembling Hitler.

    Here are some of the things he has done that I agree with:

    The appointment of Neil Gorsuch

    Better relations with Israel. Obama all but wrecked our relationship with one of our biggest allies…and our only real ally in the middle east.

    I’m pro life, so Trump ceasing the funding of abortions overseas is a positive to me.

    I like the idea of getting rid of unnecessary regulations so that our businesses can function in the way they need. There may be regulations that he cuts that I may disagree with, but overall I think less regulation is better.

    I like the idea of extreme vetting even though I’m not crazy about the ban. If we can improve our vetting procedures it means we let the right people into our country.

    I also like the fact that he is decreasing illegal immigration. There is no reason why we should not exert more control over who comes into our country.

    I also think his harsher stance on ISIS is a positive thing. If he is serious about destroying them, then it will be a good step in the fight against Islamic terrorism.

    That being said, many — if not most — of Trump voters were voting against Hillary Clinton, not necessarily for Trump. They considered him the lesser of two evils. Regardless of how you feel about Trump, you would have to be living on a different planet to believe Clinton was a good candidate.

    • Thanks for answering the question Jeff. You say “I don’t believe he is a fascist, or anything resembling Hitler.” So you do not believe that he would ignore the Constitution, jail folks who said something he did not like or “lied about him”, stop the press from reporting or his administration from talking to them, or escalate a conflict to look strong? Well I am happy that you do not have the stress of those of us who do.

      Did you oppose the appointment of Merrick Garland? Did you support the actions of the Congress in blocking him?

      While I vehemently disagree that “Obama all but wrecked our relationship with one of our biggest allies”, do you like what Trump is doing with our NATO allies, China? Russia?

      Do you know if Trump will increase the funding for the starving children his “ceasing the funding of abortions overseas”will cause? Are you like Joe Catholic in voting for the force of law to end abortion not better sex education, prophylactics and support of mothers?

      I appreciate that Trump and the inexperienced people around him all know what “unnecessary regulations” are, I wonder what it is you all even mean when you make that claim. Do you know of any?
      I bet the folks in Flint Michigan might think less regulation is not better.

      Do you have ANY SHRED of evidence we were not already doing “extreme vetting?” What has been done to improve them?

      Did you know that illegal immigration has been decreasing for years without any threat of a wall to climb? Did someone claim we were no longer exerting control over who comes into our country before Trump? Did you ask ICE?

      Other than lip service, what is this “harsher stance on ISIS” you see.

      It is such great comfort that we have Trump because so many good Americans were just “voting against Hillary Clinton,” I know I will sleep better knowing they voted for fear and loathing not the good of the nation. It makes it all so much easier. A fool who considered Trump “the lesser of two evils” is not a very bright person.

      Compared to Trump, Clinton was an outstanding choice. And he proves it every day. This is a divide that cannot be bridged. Not even the disasters to come will mitigate the error. I do not see how we move forward. I really don’t. Either we let the Bernie wing blow up the Democratic Party or we stay divided and keep losing to Republicans. I guess you folks need to pray we stay divided.

      • “Thanks for answering the question Jeff. You say “I don’t believe he is a fascist, or anything resembling Hitler.” So you do not believe that he would ignore the Constitution, jail folks who said something he did not like or “lied about him”, stop the press from reporting or his administration from talking to them, or escalate a conflict to look strong? Well I am happy that you do not have the stress of those of us who do.”

        Me too! Especially since there is no evidence to support anything you just claimed. Or is there? Can you show me any evidence that Trump intends to escalate conflict to look strong? Is there any evidence that he plans to jail journalists? These are the types of things Hitler did. Not seeing that here.

        “Did you oppose the appointment of Merrick Garland? Did you support the actions of the Congress in blocking him?”

        Trump had nothing to do with Merrick Garland. He was never a member of Congress.

        “While I vehemently disagree that “Obama all but wrecked our relationship with one of our biggest allies”, do you like what Trump is doing with our NATO allies, China? Russia?”

        Nope.

        “Do you know if Trump will increase the funding for the starving children his “ceasing the funding of abortions overseas”will cause? Are you like Joe Catholic in voting for the force of law to end abortion not better sex education, prophylactics and support of mothers?”

        I don’t think Trump will do any more than any other president has. We don’t give much foreign aid to other nations. But if we were going to do something, I’d rather implement strategies that can help people in these nations take care of themselves, rather than just giving them food, which just keeps them poor.

        Honestly, I don’t think there can be much done legally about abortion because it’s already been settled, Trump has said as much. I would support better sex education and more resources for adoption along with prophylactics.

        “I appreciate that Trump and the inexperienced people around him all know what “unnecessary regulations” are, I wonder what it is you all even mean when you make that claim. Do you know of any?
        I bet the folks in Flint Michigan might think less regulation is not better.”

        I’m not saying all regulation is bad. But there is no need to have the thousands and thousands of regulations that we currently have.

        “Do you have ANY SHRED of evidence we were not already doing “extreme vetting?” What has been done to improve them?”

        This is one of the reasons why I’m not crazy about the travel ban. I’m not convinced that it is necessary. That being said, if there are ways to improve our vetting procedures, I’m not seeing why that’s a bad thing.

        “Did you know that illegal immigration has been decreasing for years without any threat of a wall to climb? Did someone claim we were no longer exerting control over who comes into our country before Trump? Did you ask ICE?

        I’m not a fan of the wall, but I am a fan of enforcing our laws. Yes, illegal immigration is decreasing. That’s a good thing. Decreasing it even more is a better thing. And yes, if we are still not enforcing our immigration laws and allowing people to come here illegaly we are not exerting control.

        “Either we let the Bernie wing blow up the Democratic Party or we stay divided and keep losing to Republicans. I guess you folks need to pray we stay divided.”

        I hop this does not happen. Bernie will only move us farther to the left. I don’t need to pray that the Democrats stay divided, I need to pray that Trump doesn’t do irreparable damage to the Republican party.

        • Jeff, I fully engaged to make another point by point effort, but then the futility of it dawned on me. If you have not read Trump’s tweets and his comments about the press, his power, what he wants to do, what he thinks he can do, then nothing I say or offer is going to show the danger I see in him to you. I will say that he and his administration are not already under investigation by the FBI with a special prosecutor for emails, lying about getting some extra-marital sex, some cattle futures or an old land deal (though making 40 million dollars profit on a home after the market crashed in 2008 maybe should be).

          It is just not up to me to convince you of what I see. Trump has done nothing to unite this nation except lie and demand everyone support him. Time after time he has blown every opportunity to make us less afraid of his cruelty and instability because time and time again he has assured us of it. Same for our allies and other nations. He is so intent on dismantling anything Obama did, he willfully chooses not to see what he is doing. We are very lucky that so far he seems so ignorant of reality that he has yet to notice his tweets and comments bear little resemblance to what the government is doing and his base seems to think he is moving mountains.

          God help us, nothing else can!

          • “I will say that he and his administration are not already under investigation by the FBI with a special prosecutor for emails, lying about getting some extra-marital sex, some cattle futures or an old land deal (though making 40 million dollars profit on a home after the market crashed in 2008 maybe should be).”

            Uh, I’m confused by your statement. The special counsel is investigating him for possible obstruction of justice, not emails, extra-marital sex, or a land deal. I mean, can a special prosecutor investigate extra marital sex? I think not. Maybe I wasn’t understanding your point well enough, but feel free to enlighten me.

            “Trump has done nothing to unite this nation except lie and demand everyone support him. ”

            I won’t disagree with that. I never said the man was a saint…far from it. I just don’t believe he’s the “boogeyman” y’all are making him out to be. As much as you want him to be Hitler reincarnated, he’s not…and no amount of rhetoric will make it so.

            “We are very lucky that so far he seems so ignorant of reality that he has yet to notice his tweets and comments bear little resemblance to what the government is doing and his base seems to think he is moving mountains.”

            Oh I think he notices…but he’s not going to let on that he notices. He has to spin it…just like any politicians. Nothing weird there. And of course his base thinks he is moving mountains, they’re not willing to see his flaws. But that happens with every president. There were people who became utter sycophants for Obama…so much so that they completely ignored his flaws. It happens with every president.

            • Sorry Jeff, you continue to normalize Trump but he is not like “every other president” and this is not like “every other administration” that is just not true. That someone like Trump can even have sycophants is just chilling.

    • Jeff wrote “I like the idea of getting rid of unnecessary regulations so that our businesses can function in the way they need. There may be regulations that he cuts that I may disagree with, but overall I think less regulation is better.”

      Since the end result of lack of regulations are things like the West Texas expolsion and, ultimately, irreversible global warming, then does that mean you are also ok with the suffering caused by, for example, West Texas, and the eventual death of the planet as long as you see increased profits in your wallet?

      As for Neil Gorsuch… So you are ok with voter suppression, gerrymandering, discrimination against people due to sexual orientation, disruption of the unions, no birth control, destruction of the First Amendment, discrimination against trans people, sexual harassment in the workplace, the Muslim Ban?

      “I also like the fact that he is decreasing illegal immigration. There is no reason why we should not exert more control over who comes into our country.” No evidence at all that illegal immigration has been decreased.

      “I also think his harsher stance on ISIS is a positive thing. If he is serious about destroying them, then it will be a good step in the fight against Islamic terrorism.”

      ISIS is evil. But not all Muslims, not even most Muslims in the world are ISIS. Muslims have made it very clear that ISIS do not represent the true Muslim faith.

      “That being said, many — if not most — of Trump voters were voting against Hillary Clinton, not necessarily for Trump. They considered him the lesser of two evils. Regardless of how you feel about Trump, you would have to be living on a different planet to believe Clinton was a good candidate.”

      So in another words, a man with zero political experience, a man with a very short attention span, who boasts about sexually assaulting women, who makes policy decisions based in the way someone shakes his hand, who has loaded the WH with his family, exposes classified information to people who have no business knowing it, is a better choice than a moral woman, a faithful Methodist who has served this country for decades?

      Jeff, you only serve to convince me that people voted for Trump because they approve of authoritarianism, bigotry, bisexuality phobia, fascism, gynophobia, homophobia, intolerance of an informed disagreement, isolationism, misogyny, prejudice, racism, rape, sexual assault/molestation, transgenderphobia, white supremacy, and xenophobia.

    • Cutting off funding for aborting pregnancies that are dangerous and fatal for mothers and babies?

      The biggest polluters that contributed to the GOP and his campaign gets to tell the GOP which regulations are unnecessary?

      What the heck is “extreme vetting” as opposed to the vetting we do now?

      Decreasing illegal immigration? How? Building the Great Wall of Trump that the drug organizations can tunnel under? Arresting asylum seekers, who came here “illegally” but have a legal right to stay here until their asylum hearing. ICE threatening raids on schools, churches, and the courts themselves? Children losing their parents because the child is an American citizen but their parents aren’t.

      What about his position that transgender children’s civil rights is state rights? All LGBTQ employment and housing rights right now is different from state to state, county to county, city to city.

      You may be cool with this. You will probably do fine under Trump. Don’t pretend everyone will be.

    • Jeff: …and now Trump is making needed corrections with our relations with Cuba. — He’s putting the Cuban people! above their Oppressive Regime, THAT is the right thing to do. Not kowtow to Tyrant / Dictatorship, like Obama did.

      [Obama was like a fish in water when he visited Cuba.]

      • Oh leslie m, if you only knew how perfectly you fit as a very low information Trump supporter. You make it so easy for him, he does not even have to try. I am going to give you a hint. Stop listening to what he says or tweets and see how the actual events, laws, legislation and policy change (or don’t) …cause they ain’t in sync!

        Letting him play you is all on you.

      • Leslie. Your ignorance is nothing short of amazing. Just like Obama’s overtures to Cuba, Republican overtures to Eastern Europe, China, and the Soviet Union in the 1970s and 1980s are what ended the communism in those countries, improved the lives of their people, and brought about more freedom. Trump’s actions against Cuba were monumentally stupid because they “turned off” any chance that this same effect would occur in Cuba, destroyed the hopes for these openings the Cuban people have, and pretty much drove Cuba back into the Arms of Putin’s Russia. Don’t be surprised if you wake up one morning and find Russian ICBMs parked in Cuba and aimed at American cities just like they were in October 1962. Trump just threw the door wide open to that yesterday. It is always better to make friends than to make enemies. We just got an old enemy back—one who was in the process of softening up to better and more profound relations with the United States.

    • You DID NOT support President Obama. Your behavior and rhetoric against him was constant and disgusting. Pro-life? Give me a break. Easy to do once you’ve gotten screwing everything in sight out of your system.

      • “You DID NOT support President Obama. Your behavior and rhetoric against him was constant and disgusting. Pro-life? Give me a break. Easy to do once you’ve gotten screwing everything in sight out of your system.”

        Huh?

        What was so disgusting about my behavior and rhetoric? You have no idea what I have said or not said about Obama.

  15. Of course you don’t want to know and don’t want to understand. You want to browbeat us for not worshiping as you do, which is to make Liberal Democrat policies your doctrine, and abortion, the sacrifice of an inconvenient human life, your sacrament.

    But I’ll pretend you want to know and will pretend you will trust that I voted in good faith and with good intentions.

    I love that Trump is not Hillary. Yes, we dodged a bullet! Thank you, thank you, thank you, people of PA, MI, and WI. You saved our country. (Kudos to those in the other swing states as well).

    I love that the Trump regime is a pro-life regime, unlike the pro-abortion regime of Obama and which would have been continued by Clinton. Yes I know, I’ve heard the tired and twisted logic that “I’m not really pro-life” and neither are Republican policies because they kill old people and want everyone to die of diseases and because they don’t like every tax and spend big government solution and they just want to “force a birth” but kill the born child, blah blah blah, etc. etc. etc. But the bottom line is that that is your excuse. You still don’t give a damn about the inconvenient life in the womb and will not declare that they have a moral worth and that it’s unjust to kill them. Instead, it’s “misogyny” to seek to protect them.

    You just wanted a couple of the best reasons and here they are. You made a long list of reasons of why you hate Trump and why everyone else should too, and frankly I don’t have the time to refute all the false premises and distortions. A fire of hatred towards Trump has been built and you continue to flame it. You are not leading your followers to Christ, Love, or Salvation, but are keeping them drunk in their outrage, hate, hysteria, and judgment of a president and those who voted for him and support him. You are contributing to an atmosphere which is what almost assassinated a congressman who is fighting for his life today. More who are on the edge could be inspired to do likewise. I suspect a couple of your followers here are in that category.

    You are also a very sore loser.

    • And Joe, you don’t give a damn about those same lives in the womb once they exit it. People like you are only too happy to shred the social safety net that those mothers and the babies they’re forced to bear rely on. Spare us the hypocrisy on that issue. And as far as the attack on the Republicans the other day, that’s called “the chickens coming home to roost”. The left has been under unrelenting attack from the right-wing establishment for nearly 25 years now, and for the last eight years, we’ve witnessed the vicious hatred of you people for a decent, respectable President (talk about sore losers), and for any progress that America has made toward equality, tolerance and justice. I don’t condone it at all, but is it really any wonder that someone finally, after all this time, snapped and decided to throw it all back in your faces? It’s a bit more sobering when the bullets are flying in YOUR direction, isn’t it? Well, now you people know how workers and clients at every Planned Parenthood clinic in America feel every day. This falls on the doorstep of every Republican who has fomented hatred and intolerance for all these years – YOU people are the ones who need to “tone down the rhetoric”, and acknowledge your responsibility for where America finds itself today.

  16. Sadly no matter what reason a Trump supporter would give here for still supporting him would not matter to the majority of the followers of this blog or the blog host. I have suffered horribly under Obama care, I know that there have been those that it has helped, I wish I could say the same for myself. At an $850.00 a month premium, I still have in upwards of $15,000.00 in medical bills due, and have had to cancel much needed tests because of the money that is wanted upfront even though I have the wonderful Obamacare. I could spew a ton of other reasons, of the Obama policies that I disagreed with and knew would continue under Hillary. But none of that would matter. At the end of the day we either agree with Democratic or Republican Policies, or not. We either believe the news we choose to watch or not. There is no common ground on this blog, if you do not believe every word or post that the blog host believes then you are wrong, misinformed and against America, LGBTQ, Muslims, Blacks, and anyone who is not white. Depending on what news you follow Trump is either an evil villian or not doing so bad. So far I have not seen rights being taken away, or heathcare being lost or taken away. As far as the travel bans, something needs to be done with the horrific acts of terrorism….something needs to be done with healthcare, I did not like anything that Obama did, and felt some major changes were needed. I spent 8 years with a President in office that I did not support his policies, but I managed to not wish him dead, attack his supporters, and clog social media daily, and hourly with nasty hatred of him and his supporters…nor did I expect Obama or Hillary supporters for that matter to explain their support of either…just so I could then argue with them why they were wrong…I choose to support The President and Prayed for him and the Coutry. I may not have liked his policies or agreed with them, but he was The President. I think the thing that saddens me the most is all this hatred and fighting is really helping no one…it is just causing more hatred and fighting….the loss of friendships and even some families are at odds…over disagreed Political Policies????!!!! I am not willing to lose family or friends over that, and Thank God that my family and friends feel the same way. I am sure at the end of the day there are more productive ways to spend your time, rather than hating and bashing those that disagree with you, and wishing harm upon The President…

    • “There is no common ground on this blog, if you do not believe every word or post that the blog host believes then you are wrong, misinformed and against America, LGBTQ, Muslims, Blacks, and anyone who is not white. ”

      I think this statement sums up the problem nicely. I don’t believe JP really wants to understand conservatives. He is every bit as close-minded as he says conservatives are.

      The issue isn’t the fact that leftists disagree with me. That’s part of political discourse. It’s the fact that they have convinced themselves that anyone who does not accept their dogma is bigoted and hateful even though they cannot provide actual evidence of this.

      Are there genuine bigots who voted for Trump? Of course. Does this mean that the majority of people who vote Republican are bigots? Of course not. The very idea is absurd.

      They say Trump is divisive — and there can be an argument made for that — but then they turn around and label conservatives fascists, bigots, and whatever type of “ist” or “phobe” they can come up with. So who is really dividing us? Trump is one person. The left is made up of scores of people using that type of rhetoric.

      There is hateful political speech on both sides, but I’m seeing more of it on the left. By falsely labeling conservatives as racists or bigots, they are themselves speaking hateful words.

      What’s funny is that they don’t realize that this is part of what cost them the election. If you call everyone who disagrees with you a bigot, people stop taking you seriously.

      • Jeff, in your response and support of Lisa, I wondered how many Christian Right or right-wing blogs you all visit and if you find the effort for “common ground” there?

        Have you seen liberals who dare or progressive Christians who dare, be welcomed and respected even if they “do not believe every word or post that the blog host believes?” Not frequenting any blogs that I do not agree with, I am curious what you all are basing this premise on. Show me?

        I think John P already does understand conservatives. I grant you he finds them lacking as Christians and as Americans but coming to a conclusion based on the facts he has articulated does not make him any more “close-minded” than those he rails against. I have seen no evidence of their open minds, open hearts or open blogs. Show me some?

        I think your assertion “that anyone who does not accept [our] dogma is bigoted and hateful even though they cannot provide actual evidence of this” is, in fact not true. My experience is that most conservatives do not have the self-reflection to see the bigotry and hate they project. Trump clearly does not.

        I also admit that many liberals do not have the self-reflection to see the accusation and conviction they assert toward others who may not deserve it. But using talking points from known right-wing dogma will have that effect. Say “crooked Hillary” in defending Trump and I am all over that. No question.

        Since you admit knowing some “genuine bigots who voted for Trump” then who here has said ALL were? But more succinctly, how do you vote with bigots, hateful, ignorant and racist people and claim not to identify with them at all? That there could be nothing about Trump that appealed to them? I watched video of a racist claiming Trump was gonna do something about it.

        What is more “absurd” is claiming the majority of people who voted for Trump thought he was the most qualified, capable and prepared to be our President. The very idea is absurd. “He wasn’t Hillary?” That is beyond petty and no excuse or reason.

        You keep using “they” like everyone here has called all conservatives “fascists, bigots, and whatever type of “ist” or “phobe” they can come up with.” You know that is not true but even if it was, why not reflect on why so many people feel that way instead of refusing to see a problem? Leslie M asked us to “sit with it..” and reflect, should some of you?

        Sure Trump “is one person.” One person who just happened to be chosen to represent the Republican Party/Christian Right, and one person who happens to be the President of the United States of America, and no matter her value, or his value, nether Gloriamarie nor John P have that pulpit. So yes, his tweets, comments and actions will matter more. Always. And, the Right “is made up of scores of people using that type of rhetoric.”

        You can claim to be “seeing more of it on the left,” but I see more of it on the Right and have for 10 years. At best this is a tie.

        You can claim that we call “everyone who disagrees” a bigot, but it does not make it true and it is not what cost us the election. If hateful rhetoric caused people to stop taking you seriously, then Trump would not be president.

    • Lisa, first let me say, paragraphs are our friends, walls of text without breaks, not so much.

      I am guessing you are someone else who thinks John P was not being rhetorical in his question but with all these comments from people who are not him, maybe you see that now.

      You could easily have told us your ACA (Obamacare) woes which apparently were never an issue under the old system of insurance (or maybe you were not sick then?) was your reason for voting for Trump. Since that is your experience, that is certainly a reason to vote for Trump even though the ACHA (Trumpcare) seems not to be your answer as even he has called it “mean” (though he celebrated it…) I wish you luck, believe it or not some of us Obama supporters have had issues with the system to. I console myself that my added cost, higher deductible and putting off care is a trade off for the millions who finally got care, got covered by Medicaid expansion or feel a security they never had before. Fair trade? My wallet has yet to agree with my heart.

      But then, you (as others have) go off into blaming us all and claiming no reason would “matter” here. Since we all suffer financial, insurance, health, family or employment issues like everyone else, even if we disagree to the point of thinking you foolish, that does not mean your reason does not “matter”. I would have applauded you for offering a reason that was so personal to you, if you had stopped there.

      Even after all these months, I am still stunned that so many of you think John or his supporters should welcome the liberal bashing and angry dismissals so many of you offer. I do not go to the blogs of those I do not agree with so this concept is totally lost on me and I admit it. I do not poke at bears or snakes, I do not touch electric fences, I do not seek republicans to argue with.

      Why is it that we should respect your health care woes and “ton of other reasons” and Obama policies that you disagreed with and believe Hillary would only have continued and that would be “common ground” but us sharing our slew of reasons we do not like Trump or Republican policies on a blog CLEARLY not a fan of Trump is being mean to you? Again, I do not get it.

      Sadly it is true that “Depending on what news you follow Trump is either an evil villian or not doing so bad” and that is a real problem but it does not seem to be changing many minds. He won with a minority of votes and voters, and his approval ratings are about the same as when he started.

      Is the line in the sand that rights have to be “taken away,” health insurance and care being lost? I sure hope not.

      On what basis do you think the Muslim ban on only some Muslim nations will do anything about the horrific acts of terrorism?

      Whether you can manage to accept it or not, the ACA (Obamacare) did some good things for many people. Covering routine testing/screenings alone is a huge gain, allowing kids to stay on parents policies longer, not penalizing pre-existing conditions, subsidies for workers who could not afford the full cost, and the expansion of Medicaid helped millions and millions of people in need. Sure, more needs to be done, but it was not all bad or harmful. Sadly it does not look to being improved.

      We spent 8 years with a President in office whose policies and personality we liked and unless you lived under a rock you know how ‘Obammy, Obummer, 0bamma the Kenyan, Muslim, Marxist, Communist, Anti-Christ’ and his family was treated on Facebook, Twitter and the right wing media. So do stop whining that you are being tortured because people do not like Trump. Whatever behaviors you did not manage, many on the Right did and there are pictures and videos to prove it. Many did the very things you want to pretend only we are doing. That is not honest.

      That hatred and fighting helped no one either. And frankly it has led to a lot of what Trump is getting because he was one of Obama’s biggest haters and led the ‘birthers’ until it was politically expedient for him to admit Obama was born here.

      I did not ask or expect any Trump supporter to answer the question but I am under no obligation to ignore whatever you all want to put our here.

      If you think this is all such a waste of time, maybe you should share your sentiments with the Tweeter in Chief who manages to run the United States and still tweet like a fiend with attacks, lies and division.

      • Sandi, I so agree with you about paragraphs breaks. Even if people are using their phones, I believe it is still possible to insert paragraph breaks. After all, I can do it on mine and there ain’t no one more hopeless with a cell phone than I.

        “Even after all these months, I am still stunned that so many of you think John or his supporters should welcome the liberal bashing and angry dismissals so many of you offer.”

        What surprises me is that anyone would think rudeness is ever welcome. When I first see an unfamiliar name, my first thought is “oh good, a new person.” I am all set to welcome a newbie.

        However, when the poster starts off by insulting John P, calling him a heretic, false teacher, curses at him etc or otherwise calls doom upon his head, I am not going to welcome that person.

        If the poster starts off calling people names such as “libtards” or “stupid idiot,” I am not going to welcome that person.

        Disagreement is welcome. But only as long as we disagree in polite, respectful, and validating terms. People who use coarse language, make sexual comments, call others names, no matter which end of the conservative/liberal continuum one is one, I would name that person a troll.

        I have called out liberals for their language in the past and I will so again. Because we can agree to disagree and we can agree to do so politely.

        • And I agree with both you and Sandi. I have found their inconsistency about bashing interesting. According to them, bashing liberals is a badge of honor but if self same liberals speak back it is mean. Who are these people? Can they be that dim? They come to a blog that they know they will disagree with, then take exception to what they knew would be here in the first place. They are nuts.

      • “I do not poke at bears or snakes, I do not touch electric fences, I do not seek republicans to argue with.”

        That’s wonderful Sandi. Congratulations. A prize will be awarded to you. Please call 619-231-1515, ask for Mr. Lyon, and he will make arrangements to send you your gift.

        I don’t think dissenting posters seek out people to argue with. They fall in here because of links on other sites and then are dumbfounded to see a Christian pastor preaching a message of hatred against our President and anyone who supports him. And not just once in a while. It’s a way of life. To the exclusion of what we would expect a pastor to preach about like avoiding sin, finding peace, saving our souls and making it to Heaven instead of going to Hell, etc.

        It’s also frustrating to see the zombies with one-track minds who can’t understand or refuse to understand differing opinions which do not arise out malevolent intent or ignorance. It’s as if you have your hand’s over your ears and are screaming “your’e evil, you’re evil” and don’t want to hear why others are different than you. Maybe we should go away and let you wring your hands and have your hate-fest to yourselves, but it’s tempting to jump in and defend ourselves from your mischarcterizations and attacks.

        I have been watching JP “evolve.” Before it was “Trump is evil and you guys got duped.” Now it is clear in this post that he is expanding his hatred to include Trump supporters, and giving you guys–his sheep–permission to join him and amplify your sick feeding frenzy.

        How horrible it must be to be so angry and so consistently. Yet it serves the purpose of projecting all evil “out there” in one person or in mainly one person and his supporters, and that allows you to ignore your own evils and faults. That is the sad way that JP feeds his flock. He gives them food for their anger and a means to excuse instead of face their sins and disorders.

        Anyway, have a nice day and don’t take any wooden nickels.

        • Oh Joe of the many aliases, lies and stalking, I don’t care what you think and I feel sorry for anyone who listens to a stalker who is so obsessed with bringing down this blog that he creates new names and IP addresses so he can still post after being banned. Sick behavior has no thoughts anyone should listen to. You made your bed, go lie in it. Pun intended.

      • Sure leslie, you like the “honesty” that you think agrees with or supports your points. Any honesty that does not…no, not so much. You are as bad as you think we are. That is what you all refuse to see. I at least know that truth about myself.

    • Lisa, do you really believe that you’re going to get a better plan out of what the Republicans (in total secrecy, mind) are cooking up? My husband is self-employed and a cancer survivor. The GOP plan wants to deny coverage to people like him, with a pre-existing condition. If the cancer comes back, we’ll have to bankrupt ourselves to pay for it, and if he were to die, I’ll be left alone and penniless. The reason the insurance companies are pulling out is that Obamacare was trying to make it so that they wouldn’t make quite so many boatloads of profit off of all of us. They’ll be in again if the GOP plan rules the day, because then they can go back to being heartless bastards and making boatloads of money. You think you have it bad now? Just wait….

  17. Dear John Pavlovitz:

    To my shame, I must confess that Donald Trump is a person I don’t easily love. But if anyone can bring down the Republic and set us on the road to revolution, it is Donald Trump. For that, he and his loyal supporters have my gratitude.

    Blessings!

  18. Here are your paragraphs Sandi and Gloriamarie.

    I in no way bashed anyone, and there is always fighting and disagreement on this blog. It does seem that both sides do not know how to understand the other. I actually do understand those that voted for Hillary, if you faired well and agreed with Obama of course you wanted things to remain the same.

    If you did not fair well and did not agree with Obama’s policies you went the other way. As a conservative I do not believe in socialism…and did not want to see our country go more towards those policies.

    My health issues have been going on for a while…(since Obama) I also have a special needs child, that has suffered under Obamacare. I am glad that there are those that it helped, however if it makes it so that no one else can afford their policies, or medical bills…then it needs to be changed so that all can benefit from it.

    And yes, there were alot of people who bashed Obama, and were awful to him, I disagreed with that as well. The office of The President is just that and should be respected. So while as per this blog, I was insulted and accused of whining , were you not doing the same exact thing you accused me of???

    And you openly admit to thinking me foolish for my choices, so once again I think my point was proven, had I stopped at my reason being Obamacare, you would have still thought me foolish, insulted me for not using paragraphs, and accused me of whining about the bashing that is going on. When all I said was that when Obama was in office I did not partake in the bashing of him and his supporters.

    No Trump’s healthcare plan does not look to be much of an improvement…which is sad for all. I would be hard pressed to say that no matter who is in office that no matter their political affiliation, has ever done everything that everyone would agree with or like.

    As far as the travel ban, it may not help at all….but since 9/11 the attacks have gotten worse and more often. So, something does need to be done, being that I am not The President, and do not hold any form of Government office I don’t pretend to know or have all the answers…but as with all former Presidents I Pray that they will make the best choices for Our Nation.

    So as I take my Foolish self and continue to Pray for Our Nation and those that lead our Nation. I will Pray that the attacks and hate stop. And no Sandi you did not ask me personally why I still support Trump, and yes it is your right to answer anyone who chooses to post here, but while doing that…and I will apologize if I said anything that offended you…as it is not my intention. But once agian I see why I stopped foloowing this blog, because even when you try to have a nice conversation you get called foolish and insulted.

    • You listed all the things that convinces me that I was right when I voted and that I also was right, God help us, about what I thought would happen if this man ever got elected. I truly believe that the damage that they are doing to our planet may be irreversible and so I will continue to have trouble understanding people who voted to destroy it. Thanks for another interesting post. Peace and Love,

    • Thank you, Lisa, for confirming every reason why it was a mistake to vote for Trump and the rest of the GOP.

      As one who has endured not only insults, being called names, but also having been stalked and having very private information posted to this blog by a troll, it seems strange to me to quit merely because you imagine you were called foolish and insulted.

      I personally never said a word to you or about you but for some reason, you addressed me in your salutation. If you read something I posted in response to someone else where I spoke my own thoughts and feelings and decided I was talking about you, then that is a red flag to me that you are one of those people who take a very great deal personally even when you are not the subject of the discussion

      • She mentioned your name because you chimed in about making paragraphs too. So you can relax and put your red flag away. All is well.

      • Lisa. Other than what Kathleen and Gloriamarie had to say, I have one other thing to say—one thing my parents learned in the depths of the Great Depression. The Republican Party is not the party who is FOR the American people. It has always been and still is the party that is FOR American business and wealthy Americans above and beyond the American people in general. If your husband owns his own business (or if you do), I guess it is smart for you to vote Republican. However, for those people who work for your husband or you, their lives will almost always been more miserable under a Republican administration—and American business will not reflect Jesus in any way and neither will your business.

        This will be reflected in the care your special needs child receives or does not receive. Even if Obamacare disappears from the face of the Earth and the Republican plan replaces it—or does not replace it—the insurance companies are still going to eat your child alive. Insurance companies are not in business to provide healthcare to the American people. They are in the gambling business, and like every gambling business, they are in it for on purpose and one purpose ONLY. That purpose is to make as much money as possible by whatever means they can and no matter who gets hurt and how much they get hurt. The Republican Party, evil entity that it is, is OWNED by the equally evil health insurance companies, hospital corporations, and the extremely evil pharmaceutical industry that raises its prices to levels that say: “As a matter of life and death, I bet you would forfeit to me everything you own for just one dose of this life-giving drug I own. Bankrupt your family by giving all you own to me, and I will let your son live.”

        I hope you will one day wake up to these realities Lisa—and I especially hope that you will one day understand that these kinds of behaviors and the worldview they entail ARE NOT acceptable in the Kingdom of God.

      • Gloriamaire I was Just was responding to your comment about my lack of paragraphs…as said by Inconvenient truth…Thank you by the way!! You and Sandi seemed very bothered by it.
        I was called foolish by Sandi…so no it was not imagined.

        Charles, no I do not own my own bussiness nor does my husband, and I am sorry that you feel that way about the GOP, I understand that everyone has different political beliefs, and respect yours. I have the same feelings towards the Democrat and liberals…in meaning that I disagree with the policies, not that I dislike or condem anyone who is democrat or liberal.

        I actually consider myself a conservative more so than a Republican, and to be completely honest am not happy with either party right now, Republican or Democrat.

        All I see is 2 parties fighting so hard against each other and making things worse in the process and getting nothing done.

        I see the good and bad in both parties, neither is perfect…each side thinks that they are right…if you are Liberal you are for Liberal Policies, and if you are Conservative you are for conservative policies..

        At the end of the day this does not make any of us bad people, or foolish or stupid…it is just our beliefs and what we feel is right, and no matter what we are not going to change each others minds.

        I could list all the reasons I support republicans and conservatives policies, and you could list all the reasons you support democrats and liberals policies. But, we would still have the same old tired argument of why I am right and you are wrong, and vise versa,and we would still leave here with our beliefs and convictions of what we believe in. And that too is fine, because we should not let anyone tell us what we can or cannot believe in.

        And to be honest, I would not want to give up on something I believe in because someone else thinks I am wrong or foolish, IF I give up on something I believe in I would want it to be my choice because I felt it was the right one, and not because someone told me to do it, or told me how to feel and think, and what to believe in.

        • And to add to your last remark Charles, the same is said about the Democrat, and Liberals, that Their behaviours and world views are not acceptable in The Kingdom of God..

          I have accepted Christ as My Saviour, and he and only he is the one who will determine what is acceptable in his Kingdom…and for that I am grateful, because at the end of the day you and I can go back and forth over our differing opinions, but we only have him to answer to.

          • So, I gather then that the words and deeds of Jesus are irrelevant in the context of human life on Earth—-they can just be ignored—and all that matters is that fundie-issued Fire Insurance Policy. It reminds me of the dialogue from an old movie:

        • Lisa wrote “I was called foolish by Sandi…so no it was not imagined.” But as that was also addressed to me the implication is that I called you foolish, which I did not.

          I never read your OP because it was long and without paragraph breaks and since I am old enough to need reading glasses, it’s hard to read a dense text.

          I don’t read anything posted by Inconvenient truth because that is the man of many aliases, a troll who is constantly banned by John P, however, the troll finds new email addresses and new IPs from which to post

          Those of us who have been here a while just refer to him as Joe.

          I was glad to see you make a distinction between being a conservative and a Republican. In my personal opinion, the Republican National Party Platform is evil in its intent. Christians who are Republicans seem blind to this. The reason I call it evil is that the Party Platform and the values of the GOP politicians do not reflect the teachings of Jesus.

          I have a political yardstick by which I measure politicians. I really don’t care if they are Dems or GOP, conservatives or liberal. I want to know how they measure up to my political yardstick.

          For quite some time now I have been weighing our politicians who tell us they are Christians by their actions. The yardstick I use to measure them is the Prophets of the Hebrew Scriptures and Jesus.


          Does the politician show hospitality to strangers?


          Does the politician help the poor?


          Does the politician feed the hungry?


          Does the politician care for the sick?


          Does the politician clothe the naked?


          Does the politician provide for those at the moment are unable to provide for themselves?


          Does the politician love neighbors?


          Does the politician avoid worshipping the god of an idolatry, such as money?


          if the answer is yes, I support that politician. If the answer is no, then I don’t.


          After all, the Prophets of the Hebrew Scriptures and Jesus tell us this is how we love God with every fiber of our being. We have also been told this by the Early Church Fathers, the Didache, the many saints who have lived before us.


          All of them teach us that if a believer is truly filled with the love of God, the love the believer and God share must flow out of the believer’s very pores to love all of humanity and to serve humanity.

          Kindness and empathy are two principle ways love between God and believer shower other people with love. Yes, our greatest leaders have inspired us to be our best selves. We need those kinds of leaders.

          
I cannot support any politician or person running for office who demonstrates authortarianism, bigotry, discrimination, gynophobia, homophobia, intolerance of that which is different, intolerance of those who are different from one’s self, intolerance of those who disagree with one’s self, misogyny, racism, transgenderphobia, white supremacy, and xenophobia.


          I can’t support such people because such people do not love their neighbors as themselves. I can’t support such people because God is Love and perfect love casts out all fear.


          I will never say such people are not Christians. There is too much finger-pointing, name-calling, too many people claiming to know who is or is not a Christian. Many too many. I prefer to say I am not God, I do not have the mind of God. God knows who is truly one who loves God with every fiber of their being.


          All I can say is that I know what I believe the Bible to be telling me and I support those politicians who tell me they are Christians who demonstrate that they believe as I what the Bible teaches. I have supported politicians who are not Christians because they hold the same values be they Muslim, Buddhist, Jewish.


          The Golden Rule, “Do unto others as you would have them do unto you” dates back to the Middle Kingdom of Egypt, two thousand years before the Incarnation. It seems to me a good basic value against which we can measure our politicians.


        • Lisa, let’s get down to it here because you have accused me of “calling you foolish” several times and it is not accurate. What I said to you, in reference to your point that nothing you could say would “matter” was: “Since we all suffer financial, insurance, health, family or employment issues like everyone else, even if we disagree to the point of thinking you foolish, that does not mean your reason does not “matter”.

          I did not call you foolish, I was making a point. But I AM calling you dishonest and hysterical in trying to be a victim.

    • Lisa, thank you for the concession of the paragraphs, I really appreciate it. My eyes are 58 years and 3 surgeries old and they were never the best to read with. A wall of text is very hard for me so I do appreciate the effort.

      Perhaps you did not mean your comments to bash anyone, but that is not how I perceived them. This blog, any blog really, is a conversation started by the commentary offered. Kinda like Facebook only with fewer people with more wordy (guilty!) comments and no buttons to tap.

      Because we are human we will not all agree. Many are here in support of John P and consider his commentary important to us and our journey through troubled waters but I wonder when arguing became so foreign to you. Do you only visit places that are echo chambers? In what discussion have you ever seen everyone “know how to understand the other?”

      For instance you claim you “actually do understand those that voted for Hillary,” then proceed with an utterly BS explanation, so no, you do not “understand” us at all.

      Your support for “the other way” and implication that otherwise there would have been “socialism” is also not accurate. No matter who is in office, we are governed by the Constitution and Congress deciding to chuck it for Socialism may be gdd’s fantasy but it is a right-wing media lie. Though I do have to point out, if your real concern was your own and your son’s health care, you might ought to have paid a little more attention to what was going to happen. Again, good luck with that.

      As in your first post, you give us just enough information to blame the ACA (Obamacare” for your dilemma with no information in what your health care insurance of health was before 2008. So you present apples and oranges and claim one superior with no proof offered.

      In 2005 our insurance premium went up 30% in one year. In 2007 when we got new insurance, I had a “pre-existing condition” that meant I had to pay an entire year of premiums with not one dime going toward any treatment I received for the chronic condition. DO NOT pretend it was all fun and games till Obamacare.

      The ACA has helped over 10 million people, are you claiming that many or more could not “afford their policies, or medical bills?” Because I do not think the statistics bear that out. And if you think Trump is going to change it “so that all can benefit from it” you have only fooled you.
      http://www.factcheck.org/2014/04/aca-hurting-families/

      You do have a bit of a point that after 9 years of Obama bashing I whined about, I called you out on whining about Trump bashing. I will concede that. But I do not think the bashers get to become whiners with a pass. It just seems more understandable for the whiners to become bashers, or at least it seems more human.

      Sorry, those who never respected Obama, Trump being a leader of that, will never get me to respect Trump.

      I think your continued whining is taking this way too far. Of course I consider you ‘jumping out of the frying pan and into the fire’ to be foolish and if you do not consider my “socialism” vote to have been foolish as well, you have an odd way of showing it.

      Frankly, I am not sure that someone so hot about their health care situation never bashed Obama for it before now, but again, there is no proof of my suspicion. But do you get the irony of you voting on your health care situation and faux socialism when you admit you do not see any help coming from Trump or this Congress?

      What terror attack has been worse than 9/11/01? That old line that because “something does need to be done,” we should do something so counter productive is not logical.

      I do hope you can manage to survive the trauma of having your comment answered and all of my cruel treatment to your civil and gracious commentary coming from such love and respect. I pray that “foolish” is the worst thing your thinking is ever called.

      • Dear Sandi Saunders:

        Goodness!

        If socialism became your future and life actually improved because of it, whatever would you/we do?

        Blessings!

        • gdd, we will never have to know the answer to that question. We are not a Socialist Nation and we will become one.

          • Dear Sandi Saunders:

            You keep saying that the American proletarian has no socialist future.

            I find it amusing.

            Do you know why?

            It’s because as my Marxian friends are fond of saying – US history READS like the illustrated version of Marx’ manifesto.

            Meager wages, mass unemployment, endless attacks on workers, state repression of workers, globalization and endless war – Marx described this and much more 160 years ago. Yet you rule by fiat that we can have no socialist future.

            Since class warfare has only intensified post WW II, how will capitalism resolve these class rivalries and contradictions? That is, without repression and global war.

            How will we escape the scourge of these unending crimes?

            How is it that the American worker is capable of enduring unending abuse, misery, social dislocation, enslavement, alienation, destitution and all other ills without ever saying ‘NO’ and rising up to end this?

            Why did the Battle of Blair Mountain happen? And how do you know that a Blair Mountain can never happen again?

            The Nov 2016 election saw a record level of politically driven abstention. Within this fortnight, the legislative election of France was boycotted by 51% of those eligible to vote. London needs about one more Grenfell Tower incident before there is insurrection on the streets. Why do these things happen?

            They happen because nowhere on the official political spectrum are ANY of today’s crises addressed. The ruling class and the government by which it extends its hegemony upon us and peoples everywhere has no more relevance to our lives than the fictitious ‘man in the moon.’

            Blessings!

  19. Dear Lord, help folks see the sad irony of a lying, multiple alias using, banned attacker with many deleted comments offering his faux sincerity to Lisa (and others but only on the Right)! It is really not sane behavior and anyone who takes solace or advice from a stalker might want to reconsider that plan. At this point, clearly only God can intervene.
    -Amen

    • Most High, what Sandi said. Pour out the healing of Your Holy Spirit on the man of many aliases, prompt him to seek the medical attention he needs.

    • Dear Lord:

      Please show Sandi the error of her ways. Show her self righteous and hate filled Spirit. Show her lack of genuine love for those with whom she disagree . Lord, please do it in Jesus holy name…..cause Sandi won’t hear it from anyone else.

      • Dear Lord, please forgive Ann Dirks for bearing false witness against her neighbor. She does not know Sandi ans doesn’t know what she is talking about. Please forgive Ann and open her heart and mind to actually getting to know Sandi.

        • Dear Lord, please save Sandi and Gloria for they both exhibits a self righteous and hate filled Spirit. Yet, they’re too blind to see it for themselves, so please work a miracle that everyone will marvel at your great power.

          • Ann Dirks, please have the courtesy to address me by my actual name, which is Gloriamarie.

            And, please, follow the wisdom of Jesus and attend to the log in your own eyes and not concern yourself with the splinters in the eyes of others

  20. MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN??? FOR ALL OF YOU THAT VOTED FOR TRUMP, I HOPE YOU ALL FEEL LIKE IDIOTS!! DID YOU REALY THINK HE WAS GOING TO “MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN”???? CLEARLY YOU MUST HAVE VOTED FOR HIM WITH NO KNOWLEDGE OF HIS HISTORY!!! AND IF YOU DID KNOW ABOUT HIS PAST AND YOU STILL DECIDED VOTED FOR HIM, THEN. YOU ARE NO BETTER THAN HE IS BECAUSE YOU DECIDED TO VOTE FOR AND SUPPORT A LYING, CHEATING, THIEVING, RUDE , COMPLETE DISRESPECTFUL PERSON IN EVERY WAY!!! I HOPE YOU ALL THAT VOTED FOR HIM FEEL LIKE IDIOTS!!! DID YOU REALY THINK HE WOULD “MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN”??? YOU GUYS ARE PATHETIC!! SMARTEN UP!!!!

  21. Here is something that I find really hard to take seriously. Isn’t there anyone recommending qualified people to Lil Donnie Tantrum? Or does he think nepotism ensures personal loyalty to the Walking Cheeto??

    “http://samuel-warde.com/2017/06/cnn-political-correspondent-takes-on-trump/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+SamuelWarde+%28Samuel+Wynn+Warde%29”

    http://edition.cnn.com/2017/06/16/opinions/patton-urban-development-louis-opinion/index.html

  22. Wow, I will Pray for all of you. As once agian no matter what you write here, if you are not a far left liberal you get the axe.

    No matter what there is no middle ground here, only left ground…being accused of not being accepted in The Kingdom of God…and absolutley no respect for anyone from the conservative side.

    I Pray that you all will find it somewhere in your hearts to practice what you preach, and find some compassion and understanding for those who are just trying to have a discussion and see different sides of the coin.

    I also Pray that you all will find a way to get all this hate and anger out of your hearts, I cannot imagine living my life so angry and bitter.

    That must be a very tiring way to live….I can only say to anyone that chooses to come here with different beliefs…good luck!

    Obviously, I thought in coming to a Christian Blog, that all would be accepted, I am saddened that I was so very wrong.

    • Wow, Lisa. You wrote “Wow, I will Pray for all of you. As once again no matter what you write here if you are not a far left liberal you get the axe.”

      I spoke to you in respectful and polite terms. However, you have not paid me the same respect. It is not because you are conservative that some may have reacted to you in a negative way.

      But maybe if you didn’t write from a “I’m a better Christian than the rest of you” stance in smug and judgemental terms you would get a better reception.

      In fact, you sound exactly like leslie m when you write the following stuff full of self-pride “No matter what there is no middle ground here, only left ground…being accused of not being accepted in The Kingdom of God…and absolutley no respect for anyone from the conservative side.

      “I Pray that you all will find it somewhere in your hearts to practice what you preach, and find some compassion and understanding for those who are just trying to have a discussion and see different sides of the coin.

      “I also Pray that you all will find a way to get all this hate and anger out of your hearts, I cannot imagine living my life so angry and bitter.

      “That must be a very tiring way to live….I can only say to anyone that chooses to come here with different beliefs…good luck!

      “Obviously, I thought in coming to a Christian Blog, that all would be accepted, I am saddened that I was so very wrong.”

      Typical passive-aggressive language taking no responsibility for your own behavior.

    • Actually, I would say the same to you. When you wrote about Obama care I got a big whiff of anger and hatred. So perhaps, just perhaps, you should practice what you are preaching. I have tried very hard not to comment to you but this last comment is wrong on so many levels that I had to. I hope that you can find it in your heart to not prejudge someone who doesn’t buy what you bought.

    • Thank you for the promise to pray for us Lisa. Prayer is always appreciated.

      Can you name a Right leaning blog where those on the Left do not get what you claim is “the axe?” I would love to visit there.

      Do you have experience with blogs that offer only or mostly “middle ground” where no one is “accused of not being accepted in The Kingdom of God” and there is only “respect” for anyone from the other side? I would love to visit there.

      Do you think that you have practiced what you keep whining we do not? Did you show us “some compassion and understanding” in a discussion you chose to join on a clearly biased blog? What in any of your comments here shows you were “just trying to have a discussion and see different sides of the coin?” I confess I totally missed it.

      You claim to have “suffered horribly” under Obama but we are the ones with “all this hate and anger” in our hearts? You just “cannot imagine” seeming so “angry and bitter?” I missed that in your words too.

      You may want to believe you innocently, respectfully, and lovingly came here with “different beliefs” and not insults and indictments, but that is not how it was interpreted (and of course that is all on us). But I disagree.

      I am really sorry that you had some concept of your comments being praised and welcomed as the only way you could be “accepted,” but that misinterpretation was indeed wrong. Christians have been arguing, discussing and debating with spirit since the time of Abraham and marrying the Republican Party was hardly a Christian thing to do in many, many minds.

      I hope your “prayer” helped you “go in peace.”

    • Lisa. I did not say that YOU were unacceptable in the Kingdom of Heaven. What I said is that many of the THINGS you and other Republicans/conservatives believe in are not acceptable in the Kingdom of Heaven. For example, more than 2000 verses of scripture throughout the Bible command mankind to take care of the poor people who live among them—and those same scriptures contain powerful statements about what God is going to do one day to punish those who fail to listen to these commands. American conservatives and Republicans embody the very epitome of those who despise and hate poor people. All you have to do to understand this is to look at the Republican Party platform statements and their policies toward poor people of all kinds and varieties. They even hate poor people who work 40-hour per week jobs or work three different jobs to cobble together 40 hours per week. Do you seriously think God blesses this in light of those 2,000+ verses in the Bible?

      Maybe you should sit down ad think about why you believe in all of the conservative “stuff” that you believe. It most likely goes back to your own childhood and the way your parents raised you. Was your daddy always saying things like:

      “There are only two types of people in the world. Those who earn their living and lazy people who want to take it all away from you.”

      Maybe your dad was a manager in a light industry factory that paid very low wages to his workers, they did not do their jobs well because of how bad they were treated, and dad was always complaining about “all those lazy poor people who work for me—I’d like to kick them all in the ass!!!”

      Maybe you were a small kid in a sandbox with your favorite toy. Other children who had been taught to share and your mom had not taught that to you—and when another kid reached out for your toy assuming that you were a share-oriented person too—you recoiled in fear that your toy would be forever stolen from you. Maybe another parent scolded you for not sharing. It made you angry, and you swore that you would never share anything with anyone else ever again.

      I was in psychotherapy for about 27 years (off and on), and one of the key things I learned is that our adult beliefs, attitudes, and orientations are often rooted in early childhood experiences—some we can remember consciously and some that we cannot remember because they are buried in the unconscious mind.

      I care about poor people for a reason—being born into a very poor family with a chronically sick dad who could not safely drive a car because of his illness and a mother with severe and incapacitating mental illness. My dad worked 40 hours per week for minimum wage his whole life until age 65. We lived in a neighborhood with other poor people, and I learned how poor people struggle and nothing good rarely comes from it. I have seen the sense of hopelessness and despair in the faces and eyes of poor people—and all the pain that comes from it. And no. My parents were not welfare or food stamp recipients Lisa—but there were many times when a little bit of help could have made things better—like having enough money to pay a simple, land-line telephone bill so I did not have to knock on neighbor’s doors at 3:00 a.m. and beg them to come help with my dad’s insulin shock when he was flinging fists at my mother as a direct result of his deteriorating, sugar-starved brain cells.

      But I do not guess that you would understand any of that Lisa. In your mind, poor people are just a bunch of lazy vagabonds who want to steal part of your husband’s paycheck. Well, famous author and Christian Charles Dickens had something to say to you from 150 years ago to conservative Englishmen who thought just like you. Take a look:

      https://faith17983.wordpress.com/2015/05/12/christian-charles-dickens-addresses-modern-fundie-apathy-about-the-least-of-these/

      • Charles, you took me back to my own childhood. That was one the best comments I have read today. Thank you for trying to explain where a lot of us are coming from. I can only hope she has ears to hear. Peace and Love,

    • Hi Lisa. I’ve enjoyed reading your posts. i’ve found them very open & caring & they’ve added a lot to the discussion. (everyone here with Conservative bible views leaves very quickly, –with 2 exceptions, me & Joe .) I like to read pastor John’s posts because they are always directed at ‘me’, (fundamental, conservative, bible believer. ). Seems like it would be ok to comment about where I think he is wrong about me.

      I love Truth, I love Jesus, and I love the bible.
      x-Progressive

      • Thank you Leslie, I thought the same. As being that I always thought I was a pretty decent human being….in reading this blog, I saw an opportunity to maybe learn more about other political beliefs.
        I have actually voted Democrat, as I will cross party lines.

        I have gone over and over my posts, trying to find the horrific insults I hurled, but felt I was just as respectful as everyone else here.

        But, apperantly I am not. I cannot see Sandi’s side of things in being that I should have not expected to be talked to in a certian manner becasue my beliefs are different??? I have plenty of Democrat Liberal friends and we manage to have great discussions and not be so mean to each other.

        I would love to have everyone know that I actually do care about the poor, and the less fortunate….and no my parents did not raise me to believe that I or our family was better than anyone else. Yes we work for what we have and always have, but I just like everyone else live paycheck to paycheck with my husband and son. I also do not assume those that are poor are lazy, or have chosen to be that way, I cannot imagine being that awful towards anyone.

        I donate my time and money where I can, and I believe in The Bible and Jesus, and I try to live my life as Jesus would want me to. But as every other human on this planet, I sin daily…and Pray for His Forgiveness.

        Sandi, what I thought was that I was coming to a Christian blog, where yes the Political views were different, BUT as a Christian I was raised to accept and not to judge.

        My comment on the Republicans and the Democrats fighting out their different beliefs, was more directed at the politicians…

        Gloriamarie, I mentioned you in the paragraph comment, and never mentioned you again, so I am not sure where you have gotten that I was rude or nasty to you, after that I was addressing Sandi…

        I guess my hope was like Leslie that maybe it could be shown that not all Republicans are evil, not all Trump supporters are racists…

        And Charles, wow if you only knew some of my childhood stories, or some of my more current stories about having things reposessed, and not having a phone to call the police when my house was being robbed…so yes I too must be one of those lazy poor people…wow! Or what about the time my son was sick and needed to go to the hospital, but once again I had no phone and my husband was at work and I had no car, so I too had to use a neighbors phone.

        But, hey I am just a nasty republican who assumes poor people are lazy, and wants to help no one? I guess it is just easier to assume the worst in others.

        I may not have studied psychotherapy for 27 years, but I know not to assume the worst about someone with out knowing their story…but I guess since I was not happy with Obamacare, and the higher premiums and the Bills I could no longer afford that makes me a bad person who wants to help no one…

        Everyone needs help, at least most of the people I know, unless you are wealthy it is tough as nails to make it….so no I don’t mind helping others, but if it gets to the point where everyone is paying out so much that they cannot afford their own care, and then stop paying their premiums because they can not afford those either…where does that leave everyone?? How does that help?

        I love helping others when and where I can, but if I don’t have it I can’t….so I guess yes that would be my biggest concern with Obamacare, if I have to cancel my insurance because of the rate increase, and then many others have to do the same, the people that it is helping with the lower premiums that are now finally able to have healthcare..what happens to them then??

        There is only so much you can do with what you have, if your tank runs dry you can help no one.

        I do know that there are people like you have described Charles, that truly believe the poor are lazy, and choose to live like that. I feel sorry for them as they must not have ever known what it was lilke to struggle, or they would not make such stupid comments.

        I wish that I would not have been assumed to be such an awful person, but it seems that is how I have been percieved here…Sandi I wish I could say that the other blogs that I read attack Liberals and Democrats but they do not. Which I guess was why I assumed this one would be the same as those.

        We may not like each others choices or agree with each others beliefs, but we listen and try to see both sides…and sure you are right, I was annoyed with Obama and some of his policies, like Obamacare…but no I did not rant and post about him, call him names or accuse all his supporters of being awful people. I supported the office of The President…I may not have liked his policies, or agreed with him, but he was My President and a human being.

        Am I thrilled with Trump??? Nope….would I have been thrilled with Hillary??? Nope….I was not thrilled with either choice. But as I did with Obama I will support the office of The President. I think both parties need a major do over…and some fresh people. It seems all they can do is go against each other and never accomplish anything. Which hurts us all in the end..

        I guess I just thought that with all the fighting and hate and anger within the Government, maybe the rest of os regular people could find it in our hearts to be better to each other, and not rip each other apart.

        • lisa. thanks for the nice window you opened about your self. I can relate to what you say, not because it is similar to my story, but because I recognize humility when I see it.

          I still believe Christianity is a condition of the heart. And after that, it’s all gravy (even though we suffer for a little while.)

          As for me, ‘I do what I’m able to do.’ [Consequently, I eat more ‘fast-food’ than I ordinarily would, I ferry people to the $Dollar Store, doctors office, ER, Mental Health, I make food in my kitchen & take it to the park, I frequent some some places with lots of bed bugs, and I take sleeping bags to the laundromat & fold their clothes with love & prayers, and when they die, i go to their memorial at their conservative bible church, and speak some kind words.]

      • Oh leslie m, do stop being so dishonest. It is great that you all have each other, but it is not true that John P directs his posts at ‘you’ not in the individual sense and not in the collective sense. He aims his posts at those you all and your mentality have hurt, excluded, denied and falsely blamed. He is here for the lost and hurting, not the gloating “winners.” The hubris you display is just shameful.

        And you are no more an “X Progressive” than I am an X right-winger.

        None of you, not the first one of you, has EVER come here with the honesty and integrity of someone wanting to have respectful conversation and learn about why we feel the way we do. ALL of you come in defensive, insulting (if not to us directly, then to what you think we believe), and accusing and then whine and “pray” with passive aggressive victim language when that show is exposed. All you prove is that you folks have no shame, no self-reflection and no sincerity to offer.

        I will not deny that some here are most unkind and pointed in their refusal to fall for the BS you all think is “respectful” and “civil” but none of you are victims of anything except the right-wing baggage you tow. Jeff is the only example in the months I have been here who has even been willing to admit glaring truth folks like you deny.

        When someone wants to approach others respectfully in a forum they know is not their fan base, they do not post as you, Lisa, Joe of the many names, and the other Trump supporters who claim to be Christian do. You know it, I know it. God knows it.

        • Wow, Sandi you might just be one of the nastiest people I have ever encountered on here….you call conservatives foolish for their beliefs, and say that they are the reason for all people who suffer…but when we come out and try and defend ourselves you whine about how we are such whiners and fake Christians…

          I am glad that you seem to have the right to judge others and know what is in their hearts and souls…that must be a terrific gift you have there. And you are right only GOD knows, and I am Thankful to my very soul for that because if it were up to you I would surely be stoned and burnt.

          That also works both ways because I believe in The Bible, and what it says…and there are plenty of things in The Bible that liberals go against, BUT I do not assume to know what is in peoples hearts and souls, and I do not KNOW who will be accepted into God’s Kingdom, any more that you do…

          I gave many reasons for coming on this blog, and you have trashed every one of them, and not given me any respect or a chance, you cast me aside as the reason for your suffering, whined and blamed and then accused me of doing the same.

          You must not be as open to a respectful conversation as you say, I have been insulted, you have insulted anyone who has agreed with me, and condemed us as Fake Christians.

          I have not done that to you, nor accused you of your political beliefs ruining the world and my life…oh wait I whined about Obamacare….but hey even you admitted you have not faired so well under it…so not sure why that bothered you so much???

          I guess there is no common ground or open discussion here, there is no understanding, there is only us nasty conservatives who hate poor people and are ruining your world.

          I guess maybe we are victims or our right-wing baggage, but you are just as much of a victim with your left-wing baggage that you tow….

          I even went so far as to apologize if I did come across as blaming any one who has left views and said that I felt it was the politicians faults on BOTH sides for not working together…but even that was not good enough for you Sandi, you continued your hate filled muck slinging at me….

          As a Christian I believe in forgiveness, and loving others and accepting others, despite if their beliefs difer from mine…obviously that must be my foolishness coming through again…in thinking that on a CHRISTIAN blog others would believe the same.

          I did not realize this was a political blog, since the blog host is a PASTOR! My mistake…again Sandi and I just don’t have it in me to sling nasty hate filled muck back at you like I have been given, if I insulted you in any way I apologize, and I am truly sorry….and I do realize that this post was not exactly nice towards you, but how long was I supposed to let you accuse me of such hate, and being a fake Christian before I stuck up for myself???

          I don’t believe that I accused you of any of those things, because I DON”T know what is in your heart and soul, and I don’t assume because of someones political beliefs or their vote choice that makes them a good or bad person….but you are right about one thing
          Only God knows what is in our hearts, and only God knows who is true and fake. And I am good with that because I know I am not the person you have decided I am, I hope you are not the person that you seem to be either, because I would think that maybe under different circumstances you might be just a regular nice person like me…who got on a blog to associate with other Christians.

          • Oh Lisa, I am not sure who you are trying to fool, but you have proven that you more than have it in you to do exactly what you are accusing me and others of and you are not even remotely being honest in doing so.

            If I cared what you thought, I might bother to point out your dishonesty and histrionics but since you think you are such a victim of mean old me, I will leave you alone in your delusion, and let others make up their own mind on how respectful, civil and honest you have been here.

    • Dear Lisa:

      How do you bring a Kingdom of God perspective to this discussion?

      How do you distinguish God’s Kingdom from imperial conservative ideology?

      Blessings!

      • Hi gdd,

        I did not Sandi and Charles did and I was responding to their posts.

        Charles had said that GOP policies were not acceptable in The Kingdom of God…

        Not sure I understand your question? Are you saying that with me having Conservative polices, how to I bring that into my Christian beliefs?

        • Dear Lisa:

          Asking you ‘how do you distinguish God’s Kingdom from imperial conservative ideology’ seeks to know what difference you may bee between God’s Kingdom and imperial conservative ideology.

          Blessings!

          • Hi gdd,

            I don’t consider myself Imperial to anyone…
            I live my life according to The Bible, and Pray for forgiveness everyday, because like all humans I sin.
            And really prior to this election, religion never seemed to play such a huge part. Everyone from both sides this entire election was screaming that Hillary was not a Christian and Trump was not a Christian…who are we to decide that?
            I know neither one of them personally, and do not pretend to.
            When my husband and I vote we vote on policy, economy, national security, healthcare…and the like. I know alot of people look into abortion and gay marriage and rights…I am more moderate when it comes to those issues.
            I know what The Bible says about homosexual relationships, and I know that it is largely debated on how it is interpreted…I also know that it does not directly address abortion and that is another largely debated topic.
            I believe that everyone deserves rights, we are all human beings, and we should all be treated as such…I know that there are many that believe Republicans and Conservatives do not care about the poor, or those that are gay, or anyone but the rich.
            I know that there are those that have the same beliefs about Liberals and Democrats, that they only care about those that are gay and abortion.
            I think that is a sad assumption, and the whole political and religious debates have gotten so nasty and so out of hand.
            So, in answer to your question I honestly never distinguished God’s Kingdom and being a Conservative…
            I think at the end of the day we all have our beliefs, and live our lives according to those beliefs…in my opinion Consevative beliefs follow The Bible and God’s Kingdom, and in Liberals opinion theirs follow The Bible and God’s Kingdom.
            But of course I do not know who is right and who is wrong, (conservatives or liberals) I like to believe that being a good person and Accepting Christ in your heart as your saviour is what gets us into Gods Kingdom, and I believe that God forgives all sin…as he gave his only Son for us.
            Not sure if that was the answer you were looking for or if your question just totally went over my head:) I am home with my autistic child, and he is on a flip flopped schedule, so I am up all night…my brain can be slow from lack of sleep:)
            Take Care!!

            • Dear Lisa:

              Your opening sentence told me that you have no idea what I meant by imperial conservative ideology, and your closing sentence stated the same — that this went totally over your head.

              You are neither to be faulted or pitied for that.

              When I began posting on this forum, I declared very early on that I am a Christian who is also a socialist, and a Marxist with a strong Trotskyist bent. At the time, I was told that I hadn’t a clue as to what that meant. But I don’t say that now.

              The kingdom of God breaks into time and space as the gift of our heavenly Father’s good pleasure [Lu 12:32].

              — Kingdom is political.
              — Receiving God’s kingdom/gift is rejection of all earthly [political] realms.

              This means that the only politics allowed the Christian is the Kingdom of God.

              That’s easily said. Learning how to express this in life is perplexing. But on this you can be sure — if it isn’t kingdom-compatible, ‘to hell with it’ [to cite Flannery O’Conner in another context].

              The issue in my ‘kingdom of God’ question is that since the year 1, alien political ideologies have been overlaid upon the theology of the kingdom and the cross of Christ. This has broken the theology of the cross and obscured the glory of Christ.

              People of any political color can be a Christian. But we can hold ONLY that part of our political convictions which can be Biblically reconciled to Christ and his kingdom. That puts people across the whole spectrum — from the most reactionary libertarian to the revolutionary Trotskyist — in trouble.

              Caring for your autistic child is an act of profound goodness that manifests the best of God’s kingdom. I refuse to vote because by my own convictions, that would entail endorsing the worst of this earthly kingdom which I depict as America’s imperial conservative ideology.

              Blessings!

              • Thank you gdd, for explaining that to me…yes you are right it went right over my head!!

                I even googled Imperialistic Conservative Ideology, and just found more confusion than answers! All the articles I found made it like it was on practiced in London???

                The more I try to learn the more confused i get:)

                I can definently see where refusing to vote would really seem to be the better option and almost did that myself this time around.

                Thank you so much for your kind words about my son, he is the light of my life , I have been home with him for 23 years as of this September and would trade it for nothing!
                I do appreciate your kind words, I have always looked at him as a gift from God that I am Blessed to have been given!
                God Bless you gdd!!!

  23. Now write a post to about how, if they supported him and now they are unhappy with him, they should stand up and say that they don’t support him.

  24. Audri wrote, “Now write a post to about how, if they supported him and now they are unhappy with him, they should stand up and say that they don’t support him.”

    He’s already written that one.

  25. John, did you really expect a bunch of fools to suddenly and inexplicably realize they made a mistake? Did you expect them to admit to their error even if they DID realize they had screwed up? Does Trump do that? In the immortal words of John Boehner: “Hell No!” Trump and his supporters are cast from the same mold. People like this do not think in logical or rational terms – these are emotional thinkers – they do not use their brain to think with. They rely upon purely visceral perceptions of reality and direct physical feedback, as in; tastes good, hurt bad, God, Devil, bright, dark, and each of these inputs modified by all the emotional colorings attached to the inculcated learning so common to mediocrity. Racism is learned at daddy’s knee and momma’s kitchen table. These sorts of intellectually stunted people MUST lie to themselves if their psyche is to remain intact. They react to emotional stimuli, not intellectual stimuli, i.e. they do not watch read books, watch PBS, or National Geographic unless the programming is related to Duck Carving, primitive Appalachian pottery, Hillbilly Blood, or Honey Boo Boo. Science, Theoretical conceptualization, empirical logic challenges their emotion based belief systems, and are anathema to them the way Judaism was anathema to the inquisition. Their reality is limited to their physical reach, their physical senses, their primary emotional channels. While the THINKING element of the nation’s population was demoralized and disheartened by the course of the recent Presidential race, THEY were enthralled! They connected with the Trump on a primitive ‘Me Grunt – You Grunt’ level that bordered on a bestial blood-sharing. His rallies were virtual festivals of muzzle licking and crotch sniffing, replete with all demonstrations of territoriality, teeth baring, hierarchical pecking order setting, and ritualistic blood-letting and violence we would expect from a pack of mad dogs. Our mistake was in not going right over and shooting the whole lot of rabid plague carriers. Well congratulations to those who sat on the side-lines; you gave the tin-hatters their day in the sun and YOU CAN’T BLAME ANYONE BUT YOURSELVES! You don’t kick a dog for licking itself in public – it doesn’t know any better!

  26. Maybe God chose Trump BECAUSE he is flawed. God chooses flawed people to do His work. Noah was a drunk. Jacob (Israel) was a trickster. Isaac was a sissy. Solomon nearly bankrupted Israel. David was an adulterer and a murderer. Jeremiah was clinically depressed. Jonah ran from God. Levi (Matthew) was a loan shark. Saul (Paul) actually persecuted Christians. Maybe God chose Trump because……Nah. Just kidding. Trump is a fantastical douche canoe with narcissistic personality disorder. God didn’t choose him. The electoral college did….mainly because of the shifting economic tides in the rust belt. The working poor and underemployed people there to whom he ingeniously pandered wishfully (and perhaps understandably) thought a multimillionaire businessman could shake things up in the stagnant cesspool of the petty, juvenile, obstructionist partisan politics characteristic of the US government. But that has yet to be seen…

    • Matthew wrote “Maybe God chose Trump BECAUSE he is flawed.”

      Yes, true, God uses flawed people all the time. However, this is not the case here. Trump is not so much flawed as he has demonstrably embraced evil. Hos evil is manifested by his commitment to authoritarianism, bigotry, bisexuality phobia, discrimination, fascism, gynophobia, homophobia, intolerance of that which is different, intolerance of those who are different from one’s self, intolerance of those who disagree with one’s self, intolerance of an informed disagreement, isolationism, misogyny, prejudice, racism, rape, sexual assault/molestation, transgenderphobia, white supremacy, and xenophobia.

      • I don’t think you read my post all the way,, Gloriamarie. I’m right on board with ya… I didn’t think “fantastical douche canoe with narcissistic personality disorder” was being too subtle. Perhaps it was. I was being satirical. God has nothing to do with trump.

        • Oh good grief and gravy, Matthew. You are right. Please forgive me. I did not read all the way through.

  27. Trump’s recent premature Cuban policy announcement shows how stupid and outdated Trump (and his advisors) truly are.

    ” While anti-Castro conservatives hailed Trump’s partial roll-back of President Barack Obama’s detente, a number of other GOP lawmakers, particularly from farm states, criticized the change as misguided and isolationist. They urged him to ease barriers with Havana that will boost trade and create jobs in both countries.”

    1) “Trump’s policy may put U.S. national security at risk as strategic competitors move to fill the vacuum the uncoupling could create….Further U.S. disengagement opens up opportunities for countries like Iran, Russia, North Korea and China to gain influence on an island 90 miles off our coast,” Crawford said.

    2)“ …the ability of Americans to travel freely to Cuba is not in the best interests of the United States or the Cuban people…. a get tough policy hurts everyday Cubans whose livelihoods are increasingly rooted in travel and tourism.”

    3) “…will hurt the United States economically, making it harder for our nation’s farmers to access new markets and cutting the knees out from under our travel and manufacturing industries.”

    4) “Republicans have warned that rolling back U.S. Cuba policy could threaten new bilateral agreements with Havana to combat human trafficking, illicit drugs and cyber crimes.”

    5) “It would be more effective to continue an open line of communication and working relationship with a government in need of democratic assistance, instead of shutting them out,” Boozman said. “Through this approach, we not only trade goods, but ideas.”

    — Richard Lardner, Associated Press

    What an ignorant, ill-planned, near sighted, isolating idea.

    However, Trump is already backpedaling .

    • Thank you for that. I think he was playing to the old cuban americans. The younger ones have been urging detente. This shows that the man is living in a different time, in a different universe. It should be troubling to everyone, that the man is so out of touch. It won’t be because I am firmly convinced that the man has a list of everything Obama did and his main goal is to erase Obama’s presidency by getting rid of everything he did, good or bad. There don’t seem to be any adults who can control him at all. So he will destroy the planet, we are quickly losing our window of opportunity to turn back the tide, and probably put our security from others at greater risk. I hope you all are happy, because as we go down we won’t forget who got us here. Instead of worrying about your children and grandchildren’s future, you are behaving unchristian and ragging on Sandi, (and you all know who you are). Not talking about you, Beamer. Just thought I would take this opportunity to question who these people think they are, behaving badly, coming to a place where they know we, most of us, believe differently, have no respect for that, and then say well since we are such misbegotten souls, they need to pray for us. Just be honest, God does not like liars, you came here to make trouble, throw our beliefs in our face and then tell us how superior you are to us. Thank you for allowing me my rant. I am now going to step away from the keys, Sandi, please keep up the good work. Peace and Love,

  28. How refreshing to read civilized arguments in proper English for once. No insults, no name-calling. Thank you!

  29. The conversation has become distinctly religious in nature and rather toxic. Since I am not a Christian, I thought perhaps I could bring it around to the original issue without any “I’m a good Christian, you’re not” in the comments.

    John has set up the question in a way that cannot be answered. Obviously none of the items he listed are going to be “loved” by Trump supporters. He would have done better to ask the question without providing those answers, then had a separate section listing the reasons under the topic of “Why I Do Not Love Trump.” As it is, the post is unlikely to get any useful or educational answers. Also, taking the “So,” out of the title would make the post much more likely to attract Trump supporters.

    From all I’ve seen, read and heard, a great deal of why people support Trump is that they hated Obama, so they love the fact that Trump is dismantling the Obama administration’s progressive policies one by one, no matter the cost to the present or the future. Trump – and his most rabid followers – don’t care if an Obama commitment, rule, regulation or executive order was wonderful for the country and its citizens and for the world. If Obama did it, it MUST be undone. And that’s about all he has accomplished so far, except for antagonizing our most important allies and making himself a laughingstock all over the world.

    • I totally agree with the last paragraph. I was talking with my grandson about something that was being rolled back and he said Why would he do that. I told him and I truly believe this, that he has set out to erase Obama from the history books. He can’t but he sure is going to give it the old college try and in the meantime destroy everything around us. If you look at his life he is destructive, like the little kid who leaves turmoil and broken toys behind and could care less. I wouldn’t be surprised to find out he has a list of all the things that can be attributed to Obama.

    • Trump supporters understand the true nature of “chiggers.” Sure, you can get cooties from directly touching them. However, the most important thing to remember about “chiggers” is that they are like radioactive contamination. Touch a chair that is radioactively contaminated and then go to the bathroom for a squat. Your unwashed hand will transfer that contamination to your toilet paper. In turn, the toilet paper will transfer that radioactive contamination to your A-hole. That is how “chigger” cooties work.

      When I was growing in Tennessee, various relatives and other adults would say: “Get that penny out of your mouth—now!!!” They would also say: “Don’t touch that!!!!” These orders would then be followed immediately by this:

      “That penny could have been touched by a dirty, low-down, rotten, lying, good-for-nothing chigger.”

      This was the standard, everyday, southern definition of ALL the chiggers in my community. So, as you can see, it was not just the chigger himself/herself that was bad. While still alive or even just dead, the community had to live with the awful contamination left behind in the wake of living or dead chigger—the things that had been touched by the chigger—anything the chigger might have used as a beverage glass—anything the chigger might have worn. You had to worry about the awful cootie contamination the living or dead chigger left behind—and how to cleanse it, fumigate it, or quarantine it so “clean, fine, decent, upstanding, God-fearing white people would not be sullied by the chigger contamination.”

      That is precisely what is going on with the Obama legacy right now. It was not enough that the chigger, his wife chigger, the mom-in-law chigger, and the two daughter chiggers were finally gone from the White House. No siree!!!. It is now necessary for Republicans and other conservatives to cleanse America of anything and everything that President Chigger touched. If President Chigger opened relations with Cuba—got to cleanse it from existence so America will no longer be contaminated with his Chigger cooties. Everything he did must be cleansed from existence so we can say one day:

      “Well, it is rumored in the history books that our lily white nation once elected an African-American President—but we can find no evidence of it in things done. Knowing how chigger cooties contaminate everything, you would think that at least some cooties would be left behind as evidence. Either we never had a black President or somebody cleaned the evidence of it away so thoroughly that no one can confirm or deny that it actually happened. So, after all, I guess our country has always had white Presidents.”

      Then Mitch McConnell and all of his buddies would say:

      “Well, what you have to understand is that we Republicans on Capitol Hill don’t feel that way about President Chigger and his cooties. But what you have to understand is that our constituents do—and they are holding our feet to the fire to erase all traces of this dirty, low-down, rotten, lying, good-for-nothing chigger and the chigger cootie legacy he left behind. If we go against the racist jingo faction in our coalition government, we could get voted out in the next election. We gotta throw some red meat to all the racists in our constituency—so we can stay here In Washington and do the work of Jesus.”

      • Sadly this northerner agrees with you. I am convinced and have been for a while. Probably won’t live long enough to find out about the list of things that they have but I will bet that my grandson will find out about them having a list of anything Obama touched and checking them off as they erase it.

  30. One thing for certain, you absolutely hate him. You should get that checked before you or someone reading this does something aggressive or your health suffers:
    Because the scientific literature demonstrated the connection between anger, hostility and aggressiveness and various health risks from coronary heart diseases, diabetes to bulimic behaviors and road accidents, the intervention should not be limited to medication, but it should also involve a psychological help that should insist on ways of dealing with anger without exposing the person to any kind of risk for his health or wellbeing.
    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3019061/

  31. Here’s some really good reasons why no one should ever trust any of the GOP.

    “A Republican voter data firm likely exposed your personal information for days — and you don’t have much recourse”

    To any nefarious hackers looking for data that could be used to sway elections or steal Americans’ identities, the file compiled by a GOP digital firm called Deep Root Analytics offered all manner of possibilities.

    There in one place was detailed personal information about almost every voter in America. It was a collection of some 9.5 billion data points that helped the firm assess not only how those Americans would probably vote, but their projected political preferences. In some cases, the data collectors had scoured voters’ histories on Reddit, the social media platform, and well-informed predictions were made about where each voter would stand on issues as personal as abortion and stem cell research.

    It’s the kind of sensitive information that, if a bank or a big-box retailer or almost any other corporation had failed to protect it, would have triggered major trouble with regulators. But there it sat on the Internet, without so much as a password to guard it, for 12 days.

    Luckily for the Republican Party and its contractor, a cybersecurity consultant with a firm in Mountain View, Calif., came across the treasure-trove of political data this month, not a foreign agent. There is no indication that the database had been tapped by any other unauthorized parties while it was unprotected.

    But the exposure of the data, which some are describing as the largest leak of voter information in history, is a jolting reminder of how deeply the political parties are probing into the lives of voters and how vulnerable the information they are compiling is to theft.

    The Deep Root incident is the latest in a series of such problems with political data, the most infamous being the case of the Russian hack of the Democratic National Committee. As cybersecurity experts sound an increasingly loud alarm about the potential consequences, the lapses keep happening — often with nobody held accountable for them.

    “This is a catalog of human lives, with intrinsic details,” said Mike Baukes, CEO of UpGuard, the firm that came across the file during a routine scan of cloud systems.

    There rest of the article may be read here:

    http://www.latimes.com/politics/la-na-pol-gop-data-breach-20170619-story.html

  32. Christians Across the Political Spectrum Oppose Cuts to the Poor in Trump’s Budget
    By Jim Wallis 6-20-2017

    Tomorrow, for the first time since the start of the Trump administration, leaders from Christian families across the theological and political spectrum will speak with one voice — to oppose budget cuts that would harm vulnerable people and devastate families living in poverty.

    We will be making this joint statement under the banner of the Circle of Protection, a broad coalition of leaders from all the families of U.S. Christianity that was founded in 2011 in service of the biblical mandate to protect poor and vulnerable people. While individual members of the Circle have raised their voices in opposition to harmful budget cuts and legislation that the Trump administration and Congress have proposed — notably many of us came together for a powerful prayerful event outside the Capitol Building in late March for just such a purpose —this will be the first time that the entire Circle is making such a joint statement.

    Please read more here: https://sojo.net/articles/christians-across-political-spectrum-oppose-cuts-poor-trump-s-budget

  33. When Christians Love Political Power More Than People

    By Stephen Mattson 6-20-2017
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    … the devil took him to the peak of a very high mountain and showed him all the kingdoms of the world and their glory. “I will give it all to you,” he said, “if you will kneel down and worship me. (Matt. 4:8)

    The idea of having power is so enticing that of all the theoretical options to destroy Christ, Satan chose the promise of ruling the world as his best and final temptation of Jesus in the desert. It was ultimately a futile attempt, but given the biblical narratives displaying humanity’s addictive desire for earthly kingdoms, their bloodlust for military victories, quests for political dominance, and insatiable greed for wealth, it’s unsurprising that it’s through these manifestations that Christianity is most vulnerable to ruin.

    The rest may be read here: https://sojo.net/articles/when-christians-love-political-power-more-people

  34. This conversation has been an interesting one to read. However, I think most people are making it too complicated, even Mr. Pavlovitz. There is one very simple answer as to why those who still support Trump continue to follow and love him… On the surface (and I only say on the surface because I think it is impossible to determine what he actually believes about anything) he HATES the same people they do.

    As a wise character once said, “Fear leads to anger, anger leads to HATE…” This country has always been good at creating fear of “others”. Trump managed to fan that fear into full blown HATE of multiple groups and then because on a national stage he gave that HATE a voice he emboldened those that shared in that fear and HATE to also bring their fear and HATE out in public. Migrant farm workers are not taking jobs from Americans, but millions of Americans think they are. Manufacturing jobs are not being eliminated because they are being off-shored, but millions of Americans now think they are. Coal mining jobs are not going away because the industry is growing, but now millions of Americans think they are. This country is not less safe today than it was 20 years ago, but millions of Americans now think that it is. The sanctity of marriage is not on the decline because two people of the same sex love each other, but millions of Americans think that it is. The country is not worse off financially than it was in 2008, but amazingly millions of Americans think that it is. These fictions allow people to hate those they fear, Mexicans, “big business”, the EPA, Muslims, gays, blacks (and specifically a black President), and Wall Street (while interestingly enough Trump continues to hand control of the country over to them).

    The current President continues to be supported because he continues to demonstrate that he HATES the same people his supporters think are responsible for their current situation. A Virginia coal miner supports him because he HATES the EPA who he is sure killed the coal industry with regulations, not the fact that consumption of coal has been declining for the last 4 decades. A rust belt auto worker supports him because he HATES Mexico and “big business” who he thinks took his job, not the technology automation that made his job irrelevant or the unrealistic salaries autoworkers were being paid that made them a financial liability. The Evangelical “Christian” supports him because he HATES “the gays” that are attacking their religion with their sin, rather than following their own religion’s teachings to love everyone. And on and on and on it goes…

    None of that policy stuff matters to them. They don’t care that the repeal of the ACA is going to cause them personal issues as long as Trump gets rid of all that Obama stuff. They don’t care that when you deport everyone that is planned that they are going to have to pay $10 for a head of lettuce if they can even find one because no American is going to fill the job as a migrant farm worker. They don’t care that he is alienating ever ally we have because we are America and we don’t need them anyway since they are all just sponging off us.

    As long as we all HATE the same people none of that matters. And as long as it continues to be acceptable for me to voice my hate in public none of that other stuff matters.

    Trump is the personification of all the hate the GOP has used the last 10 years to divide this country, and as long as he gives that HATE a voice on national TV, on Twitter and anywhere else, they will continue to support him… The saddest part of this is they don’t realize he hates them as well…

    • Andy Atencio , that was the best, most truth-filled, and spot on commentary that has ever broken my heart! You are speaking nothing but the truth. They do know that Trump is not capable of fixing anything, but they are okay with that because he is not a hated Democrat, liberal, or any ethnic group they cannot abide. They will never be honest enough to tell the truth, so we have to.

      Remember the movie, “The Green Mile,” this was my favorite line because it is a universal truth. John Coffey: “He kill them wi’ their love. Wi’ their love fo’ each other. That’s how it is, every day, all over the world.”

    • Thank you, I totally agree. It makes me sad that the hatred is so fierce that they would hurt themselves and their loved ones, but it is true. I told my husband after someone said, “wait till he starts taking things away from them, then they will come to their senses” that it wouldn’t happen because they hate the “other” and if it means getting rid of the “other” so be it. Peace,

    • Andy Atencio, Yes, I have to say I agree with you.

      But when they face the consequences of their hate, will they stop hating?

      • I fight hate and injustice every single day.

        One way to persist in resistance is my FB group, Gloriamarie’s Progressive Stuff, where I post actions, petitions, info, actual news, evidence, facts. There’s a pinned post that I highly recommend people read. I also ask a screening question so I can keep the spammers and the trolls out. All who read this are invited.

        https://www.facebook.com/groups/gloriamariesprogressivepetitions/

      • Unfortunately, I don’t believe they will… when it comes right down to it hate is really all they have that can’t be taken away from them. They will gladly sacrifice themselves to rid the world of what they hate. When you look at them they just cheered their leader at a rally where he touted solar energy and saving Mexico money as a good thing, after months of tearing apart anyone associated with either idea. They cheered as he introduced members of his cabinet from Goldman Sachs after he spent months blaming them for everything that was wrong with America and claiming they owned Clinton. They cheered when he said he didn’t want to put “poor people” in charge of things, even though THEY ARE THE POOR PEOPLE!

        They don’t understand what they are losing and they honestly don’t care… Just so long as he keeps fueling the hate.

        • Andy wrote, “They don’t understand what they are losing and they honestly don’t care… Just so long as he keeps fueling the hate.”

          Yes, I think you are correct. Trump lies, they cheer. He reverses his lies, they cheer. He says something that contradicts what he said before, they cheer.

          As long as he expresses his hate, they will cheer because it gives them permission, they mistakenly think, to express and act on their own hate.

    • Well said, Andy. This will be the fatal flaw for humanity, the unreasoning and pig-headed hate for “the other”. With our society becoming more authoritarian, essentially an OBEY OR BE KILLED mentality, the two together is a deadly combination when a small group of people can end the world.

      • I am 100% convinced that the hate of the other is based on fear of the other. The other is not part of my tribe, group, family, community, demographic, whatever.

        That list of evil I have posted is, I believe fear-based.

        It is a tragic thing that Christians have embraced fear to this degree. The New Testament talks about a “spirit of fear” and if I were the kind of person who believed in it, I’d say too many Christians are possessed by demons of fear and exorcism is required.

        But I don’t believe in demons, now that we understand the human body, medicine, mental health, and science better

      • Robin,
        When you look back on the falls of most civilizations they typically come because “advanced” society feels the need to assimilate the less advanced, the “others”, in their midst. In almost every case this is done in part as a religious battle and almost always ends with the “advanced” society destroying itself of being destroyed because the “others” they picked a fight with finally have had enough and rise up against them. You are correct that it could very well be the downfall of our society, but not of humanity. The reason is there will always be a group that feels they are more “advanced” and there always be a group of “others” for them the hate… It is a story as old as Genisis.

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  36. I’ll leave you a response to some of your questions that I can answer.

    Because you obviously need some education.
    ———————-
    Is it that he’s trying to take away healthcare from 24 million Americans including the sickest and most vulnerable?

    Those people were on the Obamacare Bronze tier plan that didn’t provide any actual coverage and only got it because otherwise they’d be penalized in taxes.

    Is it that his first Tweet after the deadly London terrorist attacks was to hawk his failed Travel Bans?

    Except that they weren’t failed, they were very much legal and constitutional, and were upheld by the Supreme Court in an 8-0 ruling.

    Is it that he was an uneducated, ill-mannered, global laughing-stock at the NATO Summit?

    The only laughing stock were the leaders who tout diversity working when their countries are falling apart due to the refugee crisis.

    Is it that he is repeatedly trying to ban Muslims from countries whose citizens haven’t committed a single act of terror on American soil in 40 years?

    Your boy Obama listed those countries as dangerous. Plus how much do we know about those countries? Do you go there? Are they friendly? The answers are “very little, no and no”

    Is it that he likely fired FBI Director James Comey for looking into Russian interference in the US election?

    The same James Comey that betrayed both sides of the political spectrum and new revelations have come out that indicate he was going to ignore Hillary’s crimes before drafting his memo and lied under oath, therefore necessitating his removal from office?

    Is that he is under federal investigation for obstruction of justice?

    He’s not.

    Is it that he exited the global Paris Climate Agreement, seemingly because it contained the word Paris in it, and not Pittsburgh.

    It was an agreement that the Senate never signed off on, would have hampered American industries and would have done nothing to stop the Global Warming that you cry about.

    Is it that he attacked the mayor and London, the American media and judiciary via Twitter, and is quickly alienating our greatest allies??

    I assume you mean “mayor of London”, the one who has gone on record to state “Terrorism is part and parcel of living in a major city”? As for attacking the judiciary, Obama did it as well and did so while Obamacare was being worked on, to the point that Supreme Court Justices were being denounced in a State of the Union Address and the ones that were there were shaking their heads negative, disagreeing with Obama’s attacks.

    Is it that he is fatally allergic to the truth regarding the election numbers,

    New information has come out that at least 7 California counties have more registered voters who voted than there are legal voting citizens.

    Is it that he regularly publicly berates the Judiciary protecting our Constitution?

    In that link, you link the 9th circuit court, which is the most over-turned court in the country, which unconstitutionally blocked the power of the President, who has the ONLY legal authority, under the Constitution, to restrict travel. This was given to the President by Congress and upheld by the Supreme Court of the United States. So you MAY want to think twice before trying that one.

    Is it that he attacks our Free Press whenever it criticizes him?

    Better than Obama, who wiretapped the Associated Press phone-lines and threatened a Fox News Reporter with the Espionage Act.

    Is it that he fired Acting Attorney General Sally Yates for upholding our legal system with integrity?

    Again, it was 100% legal and constitutional for Trump to restrict travel to or from anywhere. Since there’s nothing illegal or unconstitutional about it, Sally Yates was supposed to uphold her boss’s orders. She thumbed her nose at him, the Constitution and the American people and got rightly fired.

    Is it that he publicly accused President Obama of wire tapping him, without the slightest shred of evidence?

    The Washington Post specifically used “Wiretap” in an article before Trump said that. On top of that, Obama spied on EVERYONE, so to say “he didn’t wiretap Trump” is to be both ignorant of reality and denying the truth.

    Is it that he is earning the ridicule of foreign leaders?

    Why should I care? They should be more worried about the s***-holes their countries are turning into rather than ours. Notice how the Polish leaders speak highly of Trump and their country is the best one in Europe right now?

    So there’s some of my answers for you.

    I know you’ll ignore them.

    But it’s a way for you to understand.

  37. I would sincerely like to know – WHY did you publish this article?

    Totally sincerely – what here truly needed to be said that hasn’t already been said, and why?

    I’m not attacking, not looking for a debate, not looking for a political skirmish. I just want to know what you had in mind when you wrote and published this article, if you feel like replying.

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