Repealing a Strong Black Man’s Legacy

Sometimes you see evil and you try to convince yourself it’s something else.

You do your best not to ascribe motives to the offender, you run through all sorts of reasonable and sometimes even comically far-fetched possible justifications for what you’re seeing. You even attempt to convince your own eyes not to believe what is in plain sight.

You do all you can in fact, not to come to the conclusion that the people you’re sharing this planet with could actually be that vicious, that diabolical, that hateful—because to admit that would be to admit that this place is pretty jacked-up and that you’re actually terrified of your neighbor.

But eventually the evidence is so overwhelming, the commitment to contempt so sustained that you have no other recourse: you need to name the evil for what it is. 

Times like this are why we have such a word.
These days evil is having a Renaissance.
These days evil is having run of the house
These days evil is being legislated.

The Republican leadership in our country has spent the past six months trying to repeal the legacy of a strong, intelligent, popular black man—and they don’t seem to care how many Americans they drive to bankruptcy or despair, or how many they kill in the process. It simply doesn’t faze them. This appears to be about the political win regardless of the body count—just as long as they take down that one man.

Week after week as they flail and in-fight and stumble frantically through failed annulments and fizzled partial rollbacks and new proposed dismantling of the Affordable Care Act, those of us watching can see what’s going on here: These men (mostly white) really want to erase Barack Obama. That’s the end game. If they can line their pockets on the way that would be a bonus, but they are making money hand over fist anyway right now. No, it all feels nauseatingly personal.

This isn’t about cutting taxpayer costs or caring for people in a more fiscally responsible and sustainable way. If that were the case, these men would have spent the last seven years preparing their own plan, instead of complaining and condemning, and then hastily cobbling together an 11th hour, Frankensteined “answer” that would take coverage from tens of millions of Americans, gut Medicaid, and essentially tell the poorest and sickest of this country to go die quietly somewhere.

That was their alternative solution to universal healthcare: widespread annihilation. People focused on retribution wouldn’t have an issue with such clear frightful irony and such terrible optics.

If these leaders were acting with any kind of decency and nobility, instead of perpetually burdening the political system and terrorizing the very citizenry they’re charged with serving, representing, and protecting—they’d be working with Democrats to alter the ACA, which though flawed, is a really sensible place to begin from. If their hearts were pure, they’d be attempting compromise for the common good, which is their primary calling. These Republicans aren’t just trying to reinvent the wheel, which would be reckless enough. They’re trying to toss out the wheel just before throwing sick people under the bus it was resting on.

Barack Obama left office as a well-regarded President who brokered a nonpartisan solution to healthcare that was saving millions of people’s lives. Men like Donald Trump, Steve Bannon, Mitch McConnell, Mike Pence, and Paul Ryan hate that. Their blood boils at such thoughts, and that seems to be the primary reason they are all-in on this madness. They’re not concerned with insurance company gluttony or the rampant waste in our hospitals or the fundamental flaws in our healthcare system—otherwise that is where they’d be spending their time and influence and resources. Instead they’re attempting to cancel care for millions of families with nothing as their backup plan—expecting us to trust that at some magical time in the future, their sense of compassion will overcome their contempt; a glorious day when they’ll grow hearts for people who don’t look like them.

Their conduct in these days, is in the very best case scenario, a vomit-inducing idolatry of party; a sickening sucking at the teat of wealth and power at the expense of millions of their brethren.

But at worst (and sadly more and more likely) is that this is simply legislated racism. It is an attempt by largely a group of white guys, to dismantle the legacy of a man, whose two most offensive traits as President were his competence and the color of his skin. I’d love there to be another answer, but that just feels like what’s happening here.

These desperate, unrelenting machinations to strip people of care speak to these men’s hearts. Their insistence on destroying instead of fixing the system already in place, is a referendum on what they value—and it isn’t life, as they are known to profess and preach. They aren’t burdened with helping sick people get well. They aren’t interested in making our healthcare system substantively better.

It seems like they just want Barack Obama’s name stripped from something that enabled healing and helped people and secured history—and their commitment to erasing him is so complete and so myopic, that killing lots of people is inconsequential. It’s incomprehensible callousness.

Racism isn’t a charge to make haphazardly or suggest on a whim, and it’s a fairly horrible reality to contemplate on that level. I certainly wish it was something else, because this is the country I live in, call home, and love dearly. I so want to believe that our President and his Administration and these angry men possess no such prejudice—but that’s almost impossible because their actions won’t allow it.

Sometimes you see evil and you try to convince yourself it’s something else.

And sometimes evil makes such a strong, continual, air-tight case for itself—that you can only agree and weep over it all.

252 thoughts on “Repealing a Strong Black Man’s Legacy

  1. This really hits the nail on the head. I believe that our current President is incredibly vindictive and that his only mission is to overturn everything that President Obama accomplished during his two terms. The whole idiotic “birther” issue that Trump pushed for years (despite mountains of credible evidence that Obama was born in Hawaii) pretty much makes it clear that the basis for his actions is racism.

      • Not true Florida Boy: “That Hillary Clinton supporters circulated such an e-mail isn’t in question, but the claim that that’s the moment the birther theory “first emerged” simply isn’t true. The likeliest point of origin we’ve been able to find was a post on conservative message board FreeRepublic.com dated 1 March 2008 (which, according to a report in The Telegraph, was at least a month before Clinton supporters got on the e-mail bandwagon): The same rumor was repeated, with elaborations, four days later on the conservative blog Ruthless Roundup: The conspiracy theory was already fully formed at this point. Clearly, the Clinton supporters accused of spreading it via forwarded e-mails knew “good ammo” when they saw it, but, as the above posts show, they deserve neither credit nor blame for the invention of birtherism. ”
        http://www.snopes.com/hillary-clinton-started-birther-movement/

        “You can run but you cannot hide,” Trump was the lead birther for years after the rest of the nation moved on. He lied until he could not lie any more.

        • Sandi, nice try, but you’re wrong! Hillary started the birther movement in the South Carolina primary in 2008, when she questioned Obama’s citizenship, and that accusation is what caused her to lose ground with the Black community, and she lost the primary that she thought she’d win. It was also when Bill Clinton said of Obama’s candidacy: “This is the biggest fairy tale we’ve seen in American politics!”

          • Not denying that it was mentioned in some Clinton aide emails. But the birther conspiracy was documented from the Right and championed by Trump for years after it was proven a lie. Keep dodging with “he hit me first” all you like, it will never justify the birther conspiracy lie to claim it came from Clinton, was fed by Clinton or led by Clinton. It is just not true.

      • Im 2008 the question was asked and answered. Trump doesn’t care about facts if they don’t fit his agenda. But nice try

      • This is not true. Neither HRC nor her campaign questioned Obama’s citizenship although some supporters did in 2008. A strategy memo written for Trump did pursue this is 2007. Check any fact-check website to find out the truth about this fallacy.

        • I didn’t vote for Obama, but I always knew that Obama was born in Hawaii, to an American woman. [So that qualifies him to run for President.] What I had a question about was his time in Indonesia as a child, and issues with his Passport at that time, and also the times in college where some people considered him Kenyan. Still, none of that disqualifies him.

          People don’t seem very clear, about how one get’s US Citizenship. If one of your parents is an American citizen, (regardless of what foreign country you are born in, or if your parent was not born in USA), you are eligible for Citizenship. (you must register the birth with US Embassy). And the ‘child’ has to visit his ‘home country’ before the age of 5, or he will become ‘stateless’. [these citizenship laws are subject to change.]

          Even if Obama was born in Kenya (which he wasn’t) he would still be an American Citizen, because he gets citizenship through his Mother. I don’t know why Obama did not accept dual citizenship. Maybe, Kenya doesnt allow it.

          Also, most countries do NOT give Citizenship to foreigners’ children (that is, if both parents are not citizens.) USA is one of the very few that does. [My kids were born in Japan & have dual-citizenship British/ American (but not Japanese citizenship –which was never an option.]

  2. Hum, yeah you might be right. It seems like that would be just way too far out for high ranking people to do but…maybe so. I mean when you think about how crazy their proposals are and how desperate they are to repeal “Obama”care then it become a reasonable conclusion. Though I would not make that the entire reason, like you said money is surely one that we can more or less say has smoking gun evidence. We have to speculate on what you’re saying, but I certainly wouldn’t reject the thought, not at all.

  3. John, your words ring true. Terrible to be so, but also a relief to hear someone say it. It’s crazy making that these people and their supporters will squirm and turn themselves into pretzels to deny that their motivation is deep racism. They should come out and say it. Then maybe we could work on healing this disease. But, they won’t say it because they know that racism is no longer accepted by the majority of Americans. Donald lost by 3 million votes and only half of the people who could vote voted. The one silver lining is that these white men clinging to racism are dying out, while the upcoming generations are overwhelmingly free of it. Thank you for being a light shining in the darkness.

    • Wow, this is a new low. Wanting a pro-life president and not wanting a state-controlled monopoly of the health care system is because of the color of Obama’s skin.

      You guys to to incredible lengths to vilify others who you disagree with.

        • John, what makes you believe that a woman should have the right to thwart the will and purpose of God, by killing their unborn child?

            • John, so if a person is made by God, does that mean that they cannot do anything wrong? If I took your logic, then why say a murderer is wrong? A rapist? A Pedophile?

              Nobody was born LGBT! Everybody was created in God’s image, and every human being was created MALE & FEMALE.

              • “Nobody was born LGBT!”

                Maybe, as a non-LGBT person, you don’t get to say that.
                Maybe you should actually talk to an LGBT person.
                maybe trying to tell another person who they are is arrogant and ignorant.

                Actually, not maybe.

                • Once again, I present the scientific evidence that gender preference is formed in utereo, so, yeah, Florida Boy, Jay, Joe Catholic, and everyone else who asserts that no one is born LGBT, you are 100% wrong.

                  It is a matter of scientific fact that people are indeed born LGBT>

                  “Prenatal endocrine influences on sexual orientation and on sexually differentiated childhood behavior”
                  https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3296090/

                  Of course, that uses technical language, so for those of us who are not scientists, here is another way to say the same thing.

                  “Sexual Orientation is Developed in the Womb”

                  https://evolequals.com/2012/09/04/sexual-orientation-is-developed-in-the-womb/

                  The truth is out there and we will be judged on our response to the truth.

                • Whenever I am confronted with homophobia, I wonder which of the following applies:

                  1) Is the homophobic man afraid of being raped by a gay man even though there is no evidence that gay men go around raping straight men.

                  If this is the case, it is difficult for me to garner any sympathy as we women are afraid of being raped since we are about twelve and in all of the millennia of human existence, heterosexual men have yet to cease to rape women.

                  2) How deep in the closet is the homophobe? How terrified is he to admit he is gay?

                  Let the light of God’s truth about him pierce the darkness that binds him and allow it to set him free.

                  If we believe God doesn’t make mistakes and that God it is love and that God made humanity in God’s image, then it stands to reason that if God created someone to be homosexual, then it must have been because it delighted God to do so. And, as it happens, we have scientific proof that sexual orientation is formed in utereo, so, yeah, God’s choice.

                  God is love and God wants us to love our neighbors for the person it delighted God to create. We are to love all as ourselves exactly as God first loved us. When Jesus commands us to love this way, He does not have a list of exceptions, footnotes, or a list of appendices to justify denying love to someone. He commands us to love all.

              • Screaming that no one is born LGBTQ doesn’t make it true. Common sense says no one choses to be hated, discriminated against, beaten, tortured, and killed being LGBTQ. Saying something not true over and over again can get people to believe it, but it doesn’t change the facts. Only the very powerful and the very foolish try to alter the facts to fit their views and since I am one of those facts that need “altering” it puts me in an extremely uncomfortable position.

                • Very weak logic! Screaming that people were born LGBT doesn’t make it right!

                  People are born male and female, and we’re created heterosexual, and Jesus affirmed that reality in Matthew 19:4-6.

              • Florida Boy, the perversion in how you think is stunning. No one, and certainly not John P, has said or implied that a person made by God can do nothing wrong. He spends a lot of time telling us how people God created do wrong and they do it on purpose and with malice.

                It is your twisted logic that apparently thinks standing up for homosexuals means a murderer, rapist or pedophile is not wrong. You need help with your processor.

          • And what makes YOU think that you have the right to tell a woman what she can do with her own body? You’d probably scream with indignation if women got the power to legislate vasectomies (which I think wouldn’t be a bad thing).

          • What gives you the right to claim your god is the true god and that every one must follow and obey him? Oh that’s right, pure human superiority.

            And in the absence of any proof at all that your god exists or is the one true god above everyone elses, what gives you the right to dictate the rights of women as it relates to their own bodies? Oh ya, it’s that human superiority thing again….

            Sadly your arrogance is not surprising today.

        • They are murderers! It’s not a woman’s right to choose to kill their own child! And if you think God approves of this evil, I just don’t know what god you speak of John.

      • Talk about a “new low” Joe Catholic, you have reached it. You want the force of law (government) used to enforce incubation of pregnancy while claiming that same force of law (government) should not have “a state-controlled monopoly of the health care system.” If you were not so sad and typical, you would be hilarious.

        And the irony of the man who call liberals “murderers” for supporting choice, whining about how we”go “to incredible lengths to vilify others who you disagree with” us is rich too.

          • It does apply to babies genius, it just does not apply to the fetus within certain parameters. The law allows women the right to terminate a pregnancy. The vast majority are done before there is any capacity for life much less being a baby.

            • They have beating hearts and brain waves.

              If someone is lying in the hospital with a beating heart and brain waves we don’t kill him.

              “Incubation” (what a mean-spirited characterization, as if pregnancy is unnatural or a disease, but I’ve come to expect that from the heart-hearted NARAL types) does not need to be “forced.” It happens automatically.

              Tell me why Jesus likes abortions and why he doesn’t like that there is woman praying her Rosary outside of the abortion mill, praying for a change of heart for some of those women, that they might save their babies.

      • Joe, I would say that the bill our President wants to pass does not reflect anything of what he promised his voters during his campaign. So he either knew he was telling a lie to his voters or because this bill does not affect his universe which is himself he really does not even care to know what it contains. I believe he, like the Republicans, want to erase anything and everything that is associated with Obama.

        You can say it has nothing to do with prejudice. I can say it has everything to do with hatred or sour grapes. The party of no is the party of all blow and no go. It is easy to sit back and obstruct or condemn – it is a completely different thing to actually build something that is good for this country.

        Our President does not understand this type of hard work. And, it seems the Republicans care little for this either. Their main focus is putting more money into the hands of the wealthy and powerful with a bone thrown to the working class. Wealth is not made in a vacuum. You actually have to have someone somewhere doing work. The Republicans have not changed their ideology in decades. Reagan, Bush I, and Bush II have proved their ideology flawed. Isn’t it crazy to keep trying the same thing again and again and expecting a different result?

        The wealthy do not create opportunities or jobs. They hide their money overseas or travel or spend their money overseas. My husband and I do not have time to recover from one more recession, do you?

        You complain that government is bloated. I agree. I also think that throwing more money at the Pentagon is not logical. They are the only government agency that has NEVER completed an audit. What kind of sense does that make? They have “lost track” of 7 trillion dollars over the last decades.

        Evidently this is another example of “trickle down” economics as our actual “boots on the ground” heroes are systematically chewed up and spit out by our government. One lost veteran is one too many.

        More money does not always equate with making us safer. I think they should be held accountable to the American people. Don’t you? I think all parts of government should be. I think we can agree on that.

        Both sides have good ideas and horrible ideas. I want them to work together for the good of all Americans – not just themselves and their rich and powerful cronies. I think the amount of money spent on buying government rule is a sin.

        Peace Joe

      • Pro-life? How many more lies have you bought? So as a prolifer, you have no problem with some people not having healthcare? Nice

  4. Thank you for being brave enough to ackthe evil intentions for what they truly are. The increasing levels of prejudice and hate for anyone who’s different is killing our country.

  5. Thank you, you have just said far better than I, what I and my family believe and have believed for many years. If you look at the history of this country, there isn’t any other President treated in this manner. Of course all the other Presidents were white. But one side of the aisle or the other hasn’t obstructed and tried to erase anyone of them even though they disagreed with policy. This has only been reserved for Barack Obama, a black man. Doesn’t take a rocket scientist to see that. Of course the 33 per cent of the country who still think they (GOP) are all wonderful I put in the same category. You are known by the company you keep. You play with them, you pay along with them. I used to try to give them the benefit of doubt but not anymore. If you are willing to support people who are willing to throw 32 million of your fellow citizens under the bus, you don’t get the benefit of doubt. I will call them out for what they are and it’s not pretty what they have become. Peace and Love,

    • I’ve never seen a president so horribly treated and so vilified as Donald Trump (and his supporters too).

      Obama had a cake walk in comparison.

      And he had the media on his side.

      I’ll join your side politically when you show some concern and compassion for the unborn. A disproportionately large percentage of the inconvenient babies destroyed by abortion are black, btw, so I’m sure that pleases the racists.

      • Joe, seriously, no one wants you to “’join our side politically” but you might have a point when you someday show as much “concern and compassion” for the female with an unwanted pregnancy as you do for the potential life of the fetus.

        And you folks whining that “A disproportionately large percentage of the inconvenient babies destroyed by abortion are black,” does nothing for your case of using the force of law against females. Comments like yours “pleases the racists.”

        • Sandi Saunders so we should kill innocent babies rather then put them up for adoption? Talk about evil! No one is against women, just against the taking of their child’s life. Big difference!!!

          • Not what I said, not what I implied, not what any reasonable person would conclude “tayesh”! What we should do is realize there is more than one life to be considered and not condemn women who seek abortion but create a better world so they never even have to consider it. And yes, many of you religious zealots are very much “against women.” There is no other way to take the push to make abortion illegal and force incubation. You all clearly do not believe in freedom, liberty or personal privacy if you think you have any role in other people’s reproductive decisions or consenting adults sexual activity.

      • No President has gotten away with more scandal than Donald Trump and any other President would have been impeached for doing half of what Donald Trump has so far gotten away with.

      • Thank you Joe for standing up for the unborn. Abortions are not good for the women involved either as it can bring much sorrow and regret for that woman. Yes, because of the cross there is forgiveness but there is still suffering. I have known women who have made this choice to abort and they have suffered greatly. Does planned Parent hood come along side them and comfort them? No , they abandon them. Anyone with a moral compass will take you seriously.

        • You two are willingly ignoring the fact that the rights of the fetus and the rights of the mother are sometimes in conflict. Also you are willingly ignoring the fact that banning abortion doesn’t stop abortions, it just becomes a death sentence for both parties. There are legitimate reasons for abortions, many of which caused by our society. A majority of Americans don’t want a total ban on abortion and the states have a absolute right to stop abortions after the second trimester, in Roe v. Wade, due to the fetus being born as a viable baby. You will not be able to overturn Roe v. Wade so stop wrecking our country in the process.

          • Amen, Amen, Amen. They are willfully ignoring that the planet will not be fit to bring a child into. They don’t care, the only thing that has precedence for them is the fetus. The planet, the mother’s life, the child’s life after it is born, etc. not important. Thanks for your comment. Peace and Love,

            • That life was created by God, in His image and who are you to decide what that child should or should not experience in his or her life? Astounding!

            • We are killing more than twice as many of the unborn since abortion was made legal.

              Please tell me how we also can develop a hard heart towards the unborn so that we can get behind this mass intentional stopping of beating hearts.

              Meanwhile, it’s not either/or. We can love them both.

              Jesus never ended the life of an inconvenient person in the womb, did he? Did he ever advocate it?

              • Joe, in 1973 there were 16.3 abortions per 1,000 women. In 201 there were 14.6 abortions per 1,000 women. So no, we are not “killing more than twice as many of the unborn since abortion was made legal.” The “peak years” for abortion were 1980-81 when it was 29.3 abortions per 1,000 women.
                http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2017/01/17/509734620/u-s-abortion-rate-falls-to-lowest-level-since-roe-v-wade

                You do not need to “develop a hard heart towards the unborn” because they are in God’s hands. You need to develop a heart for the female (often very young) in crisis. Then you too might be able to see that the equation involves much more than just “mass intentional stopping of beating hearts.”

                Sure, you CAN “love them both” but you prove with your words and your political support that you do not. You want the force of law to make females incubate the fetus to term, regardless of the situation, issues or crisis involved. That is not loving them both.

                I don’t think Jesus ever ended the life of anyone, but God, most assuredly did. God has and will likely continue to do so if you are one of those who believe God is in charge, and God makes everything happen for a reason.

                There are some 600 laws of Moses, none speaks to abortion. I think the Bible concept is life begins at birth. Miscarriage has always happened, so I guess if God is in control of everything, God causes those abortions. It is really not something I dwell on. But there is an argument to be made.

      • Despite your insistance, there happen to be many more issues to address than just abortion. Trump has, so far, been given a pass by the Republican majority. Everything he touches is either disbanded, dismantled or discarded. Sadly, that includes people..You have seen nothing yet

      • Joe, that parallel universe you Republicans dwell in must be a very cozy and insulated place. Those of us who dwell in the REAL world are laughing hysterically. “I’ve never seen a president so horribly treated and so vilified as Donald Trump.” Really? Apparently, your universe is so insulated that you missed the last EIGHT YEARS of lies, slander, racial slurs and calumny, to say nothing of the birther BS. Well, those of us here in the real world saw and heard it all as it was directed at a good and decent man who didn’t deserve it. You might want to ask Pres. Obama if he thought it was a “cakewalk”. Donald Trump, by comparison, gets a free pass on just about every egregious thing he says or does. Especially from the so-called Christians on your side of the aisle, who like to wrap themselves in the mantle of decency and morals. The bottom line is that John Pavlovitz is absolutely correct in everything he says here (thank you and bless you, John) – it’s racism and hatred, pure and simple. The idea of a black man in the White House never sat well with some people, and they’re out to expunge the very memory of him.

        • Sandi wrote, quoting He of the Many Aliases, “Those of us who dwell in the REAL world are laughing hysterically. “I’ve never seen a president so horribly treated and so vilified as Donald Trump.”

          I too laughed my head off.

          Omaba was vilified for no other reason except his skin color.

          Trump demonstrates who he is with his tweets, poor treatment in public of Melania (which only makes me wonder how he treats her in private), shoving aside other forrign leaders, his inexhaustible desire to have his ego stroked, and noticing tht he can’t behave like an adult is vilifying him?

          It’s Trump’s own behavior that vilifies him.

  6. sometime s Unknowingly Man goes against God.
    Thinking Themselves Wise, They Build castles in the sand, Legacy’s that leave out God, Take Away From God, Are Totally anti God.
    Good Intentions that lead many to Hell and Damnation.
    No other way to put it
    Flat Wrong
    Some things need to be repealed
    or rewritten, changed, fixed, made right.
    I , You, we can decorate it any way you want.
    Good for the Rich, Good for the Elite, Good for the Welfare system
    But Flat NOT Good for those who have to work to pay for it.
    Slavery in another fashion.
    When there is no check , no food , not payments in the mail due to you having to work so hard to pay for the entitlements of others , then you understand
    Trillion Dollar Debt is outrageous, and not acceptable.
    Obama Just used Debt to Put you , Your children, Your offspring in a lower class of income.
    YOUR wages went down, YOUR cost went up.
    How is this a legacy.
    I ask again , when your in debt. YOUR a slave of debt. matter of time before the owner ask for his ownership.
    What ever you have to pay the debt.
    More Welfare, entitlements, programs to help the foreigners take jobs, education, and more at your expense will , and I mean WILL Cost your future.
    DON’T BE STUPID , WHILE YOUR SLEEPING HE, OBAMA , MADE BEHIND THE SCENES DEALS TO DISPLACE AMERICA AND BRING MORE WEALTH TO HIM, HIS FAMILY , HIS ELITE ON CAPITAL HILL.
    Call it what it is , Judgement From God . to a nation who has rejected God and let in the False Gods, False Beliefs, False Religions , who will take over your household with unbelief in the true God.
    Start today , Research, Find out the Truth, Repent from serving false Gods of mankind.
    Diversity in Disguise , False acceptance , False Religion of man.

    • You are delusional and your racist hate is killing you. Next time one of your family members is sick or you lose your job and need food stamps while your searching for another take a moment and think about all the people who willingly lend a helping hand because they know you would do the same for them. It’s how insurance works, it’s how the safety net works and it’s how living in society works. If you think your so good you will never need help and since you and your kind are already set so screw everyone else go on then. You know nothing about Jesus or following him. He commanded us to trust him and love our brothers not build strongholds against them. It’s your kind of selfish rotten putrid thinking that’s causing Jesus’s Bride to sell herself and bring disgrace to everything Christianity stands for. Do you really think Jesus will thank you for your cowardice and ignorance. Do you really think denying Blacks from entering private schools and children from having lunch and a fair minimum wage and all the rest is going to make this a loving and sane world. Look what you’ve done. The world is in chaos, a mad man leads us and it’s going to take the Church generations to recover from the black eye it’s giving itself. It’s time to let go and admit you are wrong and help clean up the mess. And personally, get some help

      • If you think he needs help, then your rant wasn’t really necessary or productive, was it? The level of kindness and concern you had for him in his need was obvious, however.

        Donald Trump isn’t the pope or the head of what you call “the church” either. You’re confusing politics and religion. Individual Christians are free to vote as their consciences dictate. There were many good reasons for Christians to side with Trump and against Hillary. But I don’t hold it against you for voting for her and wouldn’t be mean to you about it, like so many here are on the other side. Wow.

    • Christopher Freeman, you are literally a pitch-perfect case of what is wrong with our nation. Your kind of blind, intransigent ignorance with arrogance is killing this great nation as surely as the tyrant you helped elect!

    • The debt is 100% the fault of GWB and the GOP who inherited the biggest surplusses in history and left Obama the biggest deficit in history (1.4 trillion!) as well as a crashed economy. Trump is doing his best to explode the deficit again. You and every other conservative couldn’t give a rats a$$ about deficits. Stop lying.

    • Hun, you have reason to be angry. But this slaving for the man started with Reagan. Another rich actor who believed the rich should get richer. Obama didn’t start it, and Trump won’t end it. Face it, our government, banks, insurance companies, pharmaceutical companies, oil and gas companies are not concerned about middle America. Sad but true

  7. I agree John P, and it is so much more than an opinion or a feeling. The evidence, from the racist memes and denials of even common decency, citizenship and Christianity while President Obama was in office, coupled with the disdain of ‘Black Lives Matter’ even as video after video after video of our police killing black men emerged, coupled with the accusations that it was President Obama who was racist, and yes, the deliberate Congressional obstruction and tearing down his legacy even as they see clearly the lack of support for that in the nation. It is an inescapable conclusion after you view all the facts. The Republicans, aided by the so-called Christians who will deny it even to God, need to destroy anything of Obama, about Obama or achieved by Obama, even if it hurts millions and millions of even their voters.

    They changed the US Constitution to stop FDR and they needed to stop the equality, diversity and progress under the Democratic Party again and feeding the fear of the working white people and “Christian discrimination” meme in this nation was a perfect vehicle to go backwards. The very vile nature of Trump is going to allow for them to claim he is an equal opportunity offender, but he punches down daily and eventually such a wide swing is going to hit ‘his base’ too.

    • I’m curious how one party, that never once held majorities in either house during FDR’s term twelve plus years in office, was able to change the constitution, all on it’s own.

      Are you referring to the 22nd Amendment, which was passed with bipartisan support three years after Roosevelt passed away, and was ratified by Roosevelt’s own home state (along with 40 others)? Seems like the most likely scenario, but that hardly fits the description of “they changed the constitution to stop FDR.”

      • Sorry Bruton, I forgot the audience, I should have spelled out, “to stop FDR ever happening again”. Do you understand now? “Thomas Dewey said a potential 16-year term for Roosevelt was a threat to democracy.” I suppose they had to wait till they had a Republican-controlled Congress (the 80th) to pass the proposed Twenty-second amendment which was sent to the states Mar. 21, 1947 and ratified in 1951. So yes Bruton, they changed the Constitution to prevent another FDR.

  8. I’m a conservative who desperately wants Trump gone. I don’t like him. Cannot stand him. Didn’t vote for him.

    But when my apparent only other choice is your side which sees racism in everything and assumes that every motive is evil…….please – you’re simply driving people back to Trump.

    Opposing the ACA isn’t (at least in my case nor my friends) racist. In.the.slightest.
    Nor are we evil because we believe it’s fundamentally flawed at the core and cannot be redeemed.

    And saying the Obama “brokered” a nonpartisan solution in the ACA is laughable.

    Look John, we may disagree on MANY issues but your rhetoric is simply laughable. I found you a credible voice…..for a while. Until I realized that everything for you is simply a gross exaggeration and an adult version of a hissy fit.

    • Jeff,

      You clearly don’t remember your history, even though it was a mere few years ago.

      The reason we have the ACA in the form it is to begin with, and not, say, single payer, or even the public option, is BECAUSE the Democrats worked with the Republicans. The ACA was originally “RomneyCare.” It was the Heritage Institute’s answer to single payer. If Democrats had not brokered a “non-partisan” solution, we’d have European-style single payer right now.

      The reason the ACA is fatally flawed is actually because it’s a Frankenstien monster – a market driven solution for something that shouldn’t be market driven. The reason it is market driven is because of the GOP, and no other reason.

      So why does the GOP want to repeal a bill that wouldn’t be in the form it is in unless they had agreed to it? You tell me.

      • Please explain how the GOP, who had no ability to filibuster, stopped single payer. They had 40 votes. Not enough to stop anything. Joe Lieberman killed the public option and medicare for all. Not the GOP. The president had 60 votes in the senate. He could have done gun control, cap and trade, amnesty for illegals, or single payer health care all without so much as one GOP vote. They could have wailed and wailed, like they did about the ACA, and the Dems could have smiled, taken their 60 votes, and done whatever they wanted anyway.

        “You clearly don’t remember your history, even though it was a mere few years ago.” Seems like you probably shouldn’t be throwing that around.

        http://www.nytimes.com/2009/12/14/health/policy/14health.html

        • Bruton, I know you may not believe this, but not all Democrats are liberal progressives who backed “gun control, cap and trade, amnesty for illegals, or single payer” just like you do not now have every Republican willing to back “repeal” or “replace.” It happens.

          • Yet several people here still find the GOP entirely at fault for the lack of single payer. I guess I should thank you for making my point.

            • Well Bruton, if I had, you sure could. Who here has blamed only the GOP for the US not having “single payer” (whatever you mean by that)? I guess I missed that pronouncement.

              • Really? Have you stopped reading Ms. Amalfitano’s comments? Here’s one on this very article where she is attempting to address insurance rate hikes: “because the GOP refused to approve Single Payer and forced the present system upon the ACA.”

                You even replied to my comment calling her out for saying it, so I assume you read it.

                I’m going to go get some popcorn. I’m really excited to see how you explain this away.

        • Bruton, thank you. You just hit the nail on the head. The Dems, with their majority could have pushed Universal Healthcare. But they didn’t. At that time constituents were not ready. So ACA was enacted. Big diff from the teeth gnashing of Trump and his minions. Universal Healthcare could still be proposed but I’m not going to hold my breath.

    • I hear you, Jeff, but please be careful…”your side” paints with a very broad brush as well. While there’s plenty of racism to go around – especially of the institutional type that people aren’t aware of – other things DO motivate conservatives, just as they motivate progressives. I try to treat all I engage with with respect. But if I hear one more “libtard” or “snowflake” epithet, I think I’ll scream. Invective doesn’t help.

      Where I would challenge you, Jeff, is to explain why you think the ACA is so fundamentally flawed that it must be totally repealed…and why its merits and flaws cannot be debated in regular order based on solid evidence. 1/5 of the national economy deserves more than a back-room hack job that does nothing but gut our health care system for as far as I can see ideological reasons.

      • When I see ‘Libtard’, I post the meme of the graveyard angel with the caption, “Every time someone uses the word ‘Libtard’, an angel gets an abortion”. Every time I see someone being called a ‘snowflake’, I remind them that many snowflakes together can cause powerful avalanches.

        • Siddigfan, whenever I see “libtard” a mental image forms in my mind of the user of that word abusing someone with Down’s Syndrome.

          Whenever I see “snowflake,” I post this: A Snowflake Manifesto
          JANUARY 8, 2017 / JOHN PAVLOVITZhttps://johnpavlovitz.com/2017/01/08/a-snowflake-manifesto/

          • Exactly! My Dad worked with kids that were, at that time, labeled retarded, for over thirty years. He came home and told us kids of children with heads as big as steering wheels, and other conditions, and made us feel grateful for our health. My sister in law has Down’s Syndrome and is profoundly deaf and my son took care of autistic children. When I hear the word Libtard, knowing exactly what these crummy people are trying to say, that I’m ‘retarded’ simply because I don’t agree with THEM, and they have no idea where that word really comes from, that it was once, like the word moron, a legal term for these poor children, I get furious. And it dehumanizes these children who are each individuals with different gifts. But there’s no sense trying to argue with them because it will only make them more gleeful at using the word because they are bullies.

            • Amen on all points. In our home the word retarded was considered a bad word, like the s word, stupid. My grandson would admonish people about using the s word. Imagine the look of surprise on their face. Peace and Love,

            • Siddigfan wrote, ” But there’s no sense trying to argue with them because it will only make them more gleeful at using the word because they are bullies.”

              Yes, they are bullies and abusers and their use of that word reveals how low their own IQs are because they lack the intelligence and creativity to be anything but abusers and bullies.

          • Thanks for reminding me of John’s article. I remember reading this and perhaps this is where I first heard of the idea of many snowflakes together doing great and powerful things! 😀

      • Of course you can agree with his perspective. Which should also give him pause, but the issue here is that so few of you see reality clearly that what you agree with or disagree with is no longer relevant. You own Trump, whether you want him or not. He is yours.

        Nothing we can be taunted with even comes close and for any sentient being to still claim you dodged a bullet by Trump winning, is just plain ludicrous. Trump will do far more and far more far reaching damage than Clinton and all of us racist colored glasses (according to the racist Right) wearing trolls who just won’t cooperate with your “brilliant” ideas will be vindicated. No help for it. So, there is always that.

        Mayhap you all should do a mite of self-reflection on just what your hatred and anger has wrought. When even conservatives and moderate Republicans are calling it out, you might want to buy a clue.

        http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/344292-peggy-noonan-weak-and-sniveling-trump-is-not-as-strong-as-his

    • But certainly you were fine with the basic outline of what became the Affirdable Care Act back in the day when strikingly similar proposals were formulated , passed, and implemented by Republican think tanks, U. A senators, and state governors.

    • Real simple solution for you Jeff et al: Just don’t come here. Don’t subject your delicate sensibilities to the “hissy fit” and the “sees racism in everything and assumes that every motive is evil.” Hold yourselves pure. If this blog is so “laughable” then don’t come here and give it the internet attention you seem to believe it does not deserve. Problem solved.

      I suppose you all can count yourselves lucky that the Right has no one using “gross exaggeration and an adult version of a hissy fit” on a daily basis in the White House. Yeah, we made you do it.

  9. Unfortunate ly what youv’e said is only too true.

    For way too many whites in the US, being black and –hprror of horrors–is MUCH worse than being white and a crook.

  10. There is unquestionably a racist contingent in our leadership, as there is in our country – a much bigger one than Progressives had imagined before the election. The machinations of the GOP I cannot say are purely racist, but they definitely exploit the resentments of White Conservatives and the theocratic desires of Fundamentalists, and there’s a lot of them out there right now.

    Texas may be an instructive microcosm. It is essentially a single party state – Republican. But that party is really two parties – a business oriented moderate one that has largely implemented its agenda, and a batsh*t crazy theocratic one that hasn’t and is making the moderate wing run scared. The governor is deathly afraid of his lieutenant – and trying to out-right him for fear of being primaried by a disciplined minority. Why? Because unlike the moderates and Progressives in the state, the batsh*t right votes in every election, in droves. Meanwhile, Texas schools are starved for money and facts, and the poor queue at the doors of megachurches who scold them for their poverty.
    All this I say not because there aren’t a frightening number in office that hate That Black Man, but there are far more for whom it serves a larger end – the destruction of the modern social democratic state and its reduction to a marketplace with an army. The Kochs and others fall into this camp. You’ll notice that they don’t raise the Bible over their heads much at all. The’re just your garden variety Libertarians with gigabucks. Cruz, Sessions, Pence, Brownback, Kim Davis, and others are a different ilk – dangerous theocratists spawned by a disciplined multigenerational effort launched by the rage of the Right post Roe V. Wade, but always a force in Fundamentalist history. And, unfortunately, they are the tail that is wagging the Conservative dog.
    Beyond the expediency of the demonization of 44 that has become a fixation through incessant repitition lies the deepest truth of our politics: we and especially our elites no longer believe in democracy and government FOR the people, or even worse have forgotten what that means.

  11. Thank you for saying what I’ve been thinking. It all boils down to how much the GOP HATES Barack Obama, a black man, our President, who got things done IN SPITE of them. And how they have taken that so personally that nothing else matters but to get back at him.
    Oh yes, it’s very personal. For eight years, he showed the citizens that he could get things done without the GOP–and even having to fight against the GOP. He did it with class and wisdom and never stooped to their petty level.
    They howled about the Executive Orders he created–even though it was the only way to get something done because of their refusal to work with him. And now the President they love…uses them like Kleenex and they are just fine with it. Which means it wasn’t the Executive Orders…it was who was signing them.
    They tried in every way possible to stop him, to prevent him from doing his job, to block any law that he favored just because… And he still got things done.
    I hope that history (and time) will reflect the true effects of Mr. Obama’s presidency and that the GOP will be remembered as the party of obstruction, rage and hate. They are certainly doing a great job of carrying on that particular tradition even as they control most of the government.
    They have all the subtlety of a 9 year old boy who is trying to seek revenge on his friends for making fun of him…every action that has come out of DC since January 20th is related to destroying Barack Obama’s legacy. Nothing is being done to help the people that 45 promised he would help; nothing is being done to deal with the economic issues, the environmental issues, the infrastructure and health issues. Not one damned thing.
    I think what we are seeing just may be the death throes of what used to be called the Republican Party–the last grand hurrah of corrupted men filling their pockets with whatever spare change they can grab on their way out the door. They are creating their own legacy: of lies, venom and hatred; of a refusal to do the very jobs for which they had been elected and with only self-interest to guide them.
    There is a grand irony in all of this. If they had cooperated with Mr. Obama for 8 years, if they had been willing to meet him at least 1/2 way, if they had consistently sought to improve and promote the work he was doing…they would have a legacy that would include some sort of future for them. They would have had more support from all American citizens for being good legislators, concerned more with the overall success than in bringing one man down and lining their pockets while doing it.
    Sad, pathetic, OLD white men. Their time is literally running out and they know it–and I suspect they know that they are in the wrong, that they do not have popular opinion behind their actions–so it’s all really been in vain. They will be vilified and Mr. Obama? He’ll still be considered a great President who achieved this even with the intransigence of the GOP blocking him at every point.
    IMAGINE what he could have accomplished WITH them. Imagine how much better our country could be, right now, at this moment, if they had done their damned job instead of being petty haters.
    The ONLY favor they have done us is to show just how unspeakably deep racism continues to run in this country and just how far racists are willing to go to demonstrate their contempt and hate for those whose skin is a different color.
    What would Jesus say to them, these professed “Christians”?

    • The baseline problem with modern Republicans is that they are wed to an IDEOLOGY that has no basis in real facts. For example, any well-educated Ph.D. economist will tell you that the economic theory in this ideology is pure mythology worthy of inclusion with conspiracy theories and tall tales for children. That is why George H.W. Bush called it “VOODOO ECONOMICS” because it is. This worthless economic theory, which shows no relation to reality, is the basis for this ridiculous tax cut bill Ryan and McConnell are about to start pushing through Congress.

      Here is my advice on that to all of you out there. Take your current high stock market winnings right now while you can and save them long-term. You are going to need that money if they pass this tax cut bill, which will probably crash the economy like the Republicans did in 1929 and 2008. You cannot run a state-level economy on IDEOLOGICAL MYTHOLOGY and expect good things to happen. It is just plain crazy.

  12. Could not agree more. What this administration (I hesitate to even call it that) is doing is obviously demonstrable. But I am not going to allow them to break my spirit that love will rise.

  13. John Said: “Week after week as they flail and in-fight and stumble frantically through failed annulments and fizzled partial rollbacks and new proposed dismantling of the Affordable Care Act, those of us watching can see what’s going on here: These men (mostly white) really want to erase Barack Obama. That’s the end game. If they can line their pockets on the way that would be a bonus, but they are making money hand over fist anyway right now. No, it all feels nauseatingly personal.”

    The one thing these Republican racists just don’t get, among many others, is something I learned growing up with the people of the Old South, who were racist as all get out. I am just relating ancient history here:

    “That niggablack and that niggasmell. Once it gets into something, you cain’t wash it out. You cain’t bleach it out. You cain’t steam it out. You cain’t dry clean it out. Honey, once it’s in there, there ain’t no takin’ it out. It won’t never come out!!!”

    I think the Republican Party needs to consider the basic principles in its own Racist Rulebook before they try to undo my beloved Barack Obama, who will quite likely go down in history among the Top 10 American Presidents. By their own rules, they are trying to do the impossible, which is why they are failing. They need to move on to some other aspect of evildoing because trying to “wipe out” the legacy of President Obama ain’t working and will probably never work. Idiots!!!

  14. I so agree. I am experiencing deep sorrow at the state of our government. I console myself that history will reward Obama and punish trump.

  15. John, I absolutely agree that they are trying to erase Obama. They are going to continue to be frustrated because they can not erase our memories of a true gentleman who carried himself with dignity, with the ability to laugh at himself, unafraid to show his humanity and absolute love for his wife and daughters. He is and was a great speaker whose words reached us all.

    He never waivered in his show of class no matter the boos, the obstruction, the cruel memes of hangings and monkeys. His wife, beautiful, intelligent and class personified with her wonderful sense of humor and compassion never waived either.

    We all have been given a lesson we will never forget in how money cannot by class or integrity. The latest insult thrown in the face of our citizens are the words used by the new Communication Director. He would have been disqualified for any job let alone someone whose job is to communicate with the citizens of this country. Trump truly has made American his personal locker room. How low can this bar go. Whenever I think we have hit bottom the pit is dug deeper allowing the swamp creatures to slither under.

    It is so easy to destroy by slashing and burning. Any 2 year old can destroy almost anything. It is actually building something for the good of this country that takes the hard work – something this President, his administration and his Republican congress cannot seem to do. Talk is cheap. Destruction is cheap theater.

    So many hated Obama but to me the former President and his wife will always be a shining star that showed that there is greatness in America – an absolute breath of fresh clean air that I miss so much.

  16. Thank you, John P, for spelling it out as it is.

    “There are two ways to be fooled. One is to believe what isn’t true; the other is to refuse to accept what is true.” Soren Kierkegaard

    What isn’t true about the ACA is that it is the ACA’s fault that the insurance premiums. What is true is that it is the insurance companies who raised them because the GOP refused to approve Single Payer and forced the present system upon the ACA.

    What isn’t true about the ACA is that Obama thought it up. What is true about the ACA is that it is ***the *** Republican health insurance plan because in Massachusetts, the almost exact same plan is called Romneycare.

    The GOP started calling the ACA “Obamacare” as a pejorative which backfired when Obama, with his wonderful sense of humor and humility. embraced the term.

    What is also true is that the sole reason the Republicans wish to repeal it is that it has a black man’s name on it.

    The ACA works. Could it be improved? Certainly. Let’s have single-payer NOW.

    Let’s work to make that happen.

    One way to persist in resistance is my FB group, Gloriamarie’s Progressive Stuff, where I post actions, petitions, info, actual news, evidence, facts. There’s a pinned post that I highly recommend people read. I also ask a screening question so I can keep the spammers and the trolls out. All who read this are invited.

    https://www.facebook.com/groups/gloriamariesprogressivepetitions/

    • Please explain to all of us how, with only 40 votes in the Senate, not enough to mount a filibuster, it was the GOP that wouldn’t approve single payer.

      Explain how anything about the ACA can be attributed to the party that was completely impotent to stop it from becoming law.

      • LOL Bruton, you folks always demand that facts and history you disagree with be “explained” to you. As if that would somehow change your mind? Good one!

        • Then do tell Sandi. What about what I said was not true? Wouldn’t be the first time you mocked someone on here for saying something that ended up being 100% factually accurate.

      • The GOP had nothin to do with the ACA because the GOP could not care less whether people die from lack of healthcare. Today they are trying to take HC insurance away from 20 million and kill 20,000 per year in order to give a tax cut to the 1%.

  17. Oh, how I wish the ” Notify me of follow-up comments by email” box was above the “post comments.”

    No need to approve this one, John.

  18. Yes, racism is alive and well in the United States of America. John, you are correct that having our first black President’s name on Obamacare is simply something they cannot tolerate. I’ve been calling it evil for some time now. Perhaps God is intervening to stop this injustice!

  19. Such a well written article it brings tears to my eyes for the President we loved and the country that I no longer recognize. How sad.

  20. Realistically, little can be done politically to halt or reverse this overt attempt to purge President Obama’s achievements while republiclowns control congress. Good people are hereby tasked to pass along these Obama era accomplishments orally and in writing to provide current and future generations a record of the magnitude of the tremendous impacts achieved between 2009 and 2016.

  21. While it is possible that GOP leaders are so ideologically, religiously wedded to “states rights” and the tenth amendment that they want to uphold those principles *regardless* of the real human cost — and that is simply a blindness that exalts rules over actual people — I think their hatred of Barack Obama is clear, and I think your analysis is spot on.

    • “States rights” is a shibolith. No conservative politician has ever really cared about “states rights” This is true of everyone from Jefferson Davis to Jefferson Sessions and everyone in between. Watch the AG crack down on state marijuanna laws soon.

  22. Well said.

    They can try to take down one man, but they can’t. He will always rise above them. They can’t erase the memory of what he stood for, either, just as they can’t erase love. They have been and will continue to be revealed for what they are, and they always will be found “lesser.”

    • I am a bit of an expert in this matter. The truth is that no matter how hard they try, they cannot erase American history. The historians will not allow it because they write the history. The Historians will remember Obama as a major positive in American history. That same history will remember Trumpian Republicans as racists and villains for what they are trying to do now—and Trump himself will be the chief villain in the historical narrative along with McConnell and Ryan. McConnell is already on record as saying that one of the reasons he wanted to be a Senator was to be remembered in the history books. He is going to get his wish all right—just not in the way he had planned.

      • I will always remember Obama as being extremely lucky and being in the right place at the right time, and in having all kinds of advantages because of the color of his skin, and a liberal press eager to crown him as the first “black president” and giving him a total pass.

        I will be very happy when we elect a black, conservative, pro-life man or woman as President.

        Obama policies failed and that’s why we Republicans now own everything. Thank you Obama for that.

        • So Joe Catholic, when you get to become “very happy when we elect a black, conservative, pro-life man or woman as President” it will not be because they are “extremely lucky and being in the right place at the right time, and in having all kinds of advantages because of the color of his skin?” And the same liberal press eager to crown Clinton as the first female president (crushing success there!) won’t be giving that historic black, conservative, pro-life man or woman any passes. So then you can claim, they did it all on their own? Is that about the size of it?

          Sometimes I think you all just ignore that it is Congress that passes laws and makes policy as much or more than any president. The right wing media distortion and bias feeding empire is why you Republicans now own everything. Thank Obama as you like, but bother to notice that governing does not appear to be a Republican strength.

  23. They can’t erase President Obama. He is ensconced in history and therefore their efforts are futile and meaningless in that regard. They obviously will continue to hurt people, and it will be the people that put them in office. Evil being evil eventually kills itself. The sad thing is it takes so many people with it along the way. Fortunately there is that long moral arc of history and we look forward to it replacing those of ill will with those of good will.

  24. “Barack Obama left office as a well-regarded President who brokered a nonpartisan solution to healthcare that was saving millions of people’s lives.”

    It’s hard to believe you put this to paper. How is something that received no bipartisan support a “non partisan” solution? Because Mitt Romney installed it in the bluest state in the country? How many times did President Obama claim everyone could keep their doctors and insurance if they liked them, despite knowing it wasn’t the case? “Lie of the Year” I believe it was dubbed by Politifact. What is honorable about repeatedly lying to the country to pass legislation? Or does it not matter because you supported the bill? The ends justify the means, I guess?

    Saving lives? Life expectancy in the U.S. is lower now than it was before the ACA was passed. Obamacare isn’t killing people, but it’s pretty tough to argue it’s saving lives when people are dying sooner than they were before it existed. Bodies weren’t piling up in the streets before 2009, and they wouldn’t start to just because Obamacare went away.

    As far as the racism claim goes, do you really believe that millions of people who voted for President Obama, twice, became racist overnight? Did voters in MI, WI, and PA suddenly decide they wanted to destroy Obama’s legacy because he’s black, even though the helped elect him eight years prior? Does that really seem plausible?

    President Trump is a clown. His behavior is inexplicable and embarrassing. Next time you feel like rending garments and gnashing teeth over his election, though, remember this article. People don’t really appreciate being constantly labeled as racist merely because they don’t support a political party that happened to be led by a black man, and they will react accordingly when they are. It’s amazing that your side hasn’t figured that out yet. You’d think losing and election in the fashion you did would be cause for some introspection, but I can see that’s not yet the case.

    • I have to give you credit, Mr. Pavlovitz. I wonder sometimes if posts that are clearly critical of what you say and believe will make it past the moderator. They clearly do.

        • I see you have drunk deeply from the “anyone with an opinion contrary to the author is a troll” cup. When in Rome…

          Odd that I can’t even given him credit for allowing opposing voices to be heard without you having a problem with it. Maybe I need to be more civil, like Charles.

          • You know Bruton, you are right, I do not know why I continue to think your presence here is anything less than an enlightened man just wanting to share that deep reservoir of knowledge with the plebeians who need to hear “the truth” only you all offer. I really should know better than to accuse you of being trolls when you are just being you.

            I am sure there are liberals who visit blogs you support and give you all a good tongue-lashing for daring to support such losers every day too.

    • Oh Bruton, it appears to be hard for you to digest facts that do not support your own narrative, but they still remain facts. A law that has provisions from Republicans, and parts that Republicans supported in years past is bipartisan by the nature of those facts, even if no Republican had the courage to vote for it passing under Obama.

      President Obama did state that people could keep their doctors and their insurance but he was not lying when he said it, just unaware of how many plans did not meet the requirements. Few people actually lost their doctors. He, unlike Trump, also apologized to the American people for being wrong.

      Ask Mitch McConnell what is honorable about repeatedly lying to the country to pass legislation? He would know. Well not about getting it passed, but in trying to do so. Does it matter to you when the Right does it? Do their “ends justify the means?” MILLIONS more people have health insurance with real access to healthcare now than had it before. Does that mean nothing?

      When 30-40 million people have no health insurance or access to it, that means some people likely did die who could have been saved but such change takes time. Why is the Republican Party so hell bent on ending something the people do not want ended? How many demonstrations will it take on health care for the message to sink in to the “representatives” on the Right?

      You are asking the wrong question. It is not whether “millions of people who voted for President Obama, twice, became racist overnight” but why do so many in Congress refuse to represent the people who sent them there? Voters did not “decide they wanted to destroy Obama’s legacy,” Republicans did. And of course it seems plausible, because we see it in action, even as you deny it.

      If indeed, “People don’t really appreciate being constantly labeled as racist” maybe they should quit talking, acting and voting in a way to make anyone think it.

      What is “amazing” is that your side hasn’t figured out that winning an election as you did with what you now have to claim is cause for some introspection, but I can see that’s not yet the case.

      • You’re kidding, right? You honestly buy the line that President Obama, who is constantly lauded for his spectacular intellect, didn’t know people would lose their insurance under the new bill? It’s impossible to think he’s the smartest person in the room, which most on the left clearly do, and still believe he didn’t realize people would lose their insurance. “If you like your plan…” was always a response to people who feared the new law would cause them to lose their current insurance, so at least some people saw it coming. Yet the great genius in the White House didn’t? It’s not for no reason that one of the law’s chief architects claimed that a lack of transparency and the “stupidity of the American voter” were required to get the bill passed. If republicans were against it, who do you suppose he was talking about? The president was either lying or he’s really not that bright. I don’t believe for a second that it’s the latter. I disagree with him politically on a great many things, almost everything, really, but his brains have never been in doubt.

        It is true that the republicans in congress aren’t representing the people who sent them there, considering most of them campaigned explicitly on repealing the ACA. You are unintentionally correct on that point. Congratulations.

        I’ll ask one more time. How is a party that was decimated in 2008 and could not muster the votes required to filibuster anything be blamed for the ACA or a lack of single payer? All the president needed was his own party, and he couldn’t get it. A lot of community colleges offer American Government 101. There are also plenty of books about it. Here’s one: https://www.amazon.com/Complete-Idiots-Government-Politics-Guides/dp/1592578535

        • No Bruton, I am not “kidding.” I buy the line that President Obama for all of his spectacular intellect, did not know every particular of the ACA and if he had, he certainly would not have been so foolish as to then tell people they would not lose their insurance or doctor under the new law. He apologized for that unintentional lie.

          After the Abramoff scandal broke, it became common knowledge that many who vote on bills do not know all that is in them and certainly President Obama did not write the law. It’s very possible for reasonable people to think he’s the smartest person in the room, but did not know every nuance of the law or the insurance policies already in process that did not meet the standards being set. There was nothing in the lead up to the law which alarmed those of us who thought we had good insurance that made us think we would be priced out of it.

          The very fact that this very intelligent man repeatedly said “If you like your plan…” should buy even you a clue. And frankly most laws have historically grandfathered situations already in place. Which this law did as long as no change was ever made, but the insurance companies would not honor that and started making changes to gain more money. All of the pain was not just because of the law.

          Only those with great knowledge of how health insurance worked, (the industry) knew what might happen and I do not recall them warning us about it. They saw dollar signs.

          Your disdain for President Obama is clear but I have seen no evidence he knew that so many would gain and some would lose. I just do not think he was so dishonest in selling the law. I have also not seen the numbers for those who claim they lost their insurance or their doctors because the uninsured numbers have only continued to go down.

          You feel as you please, Joe Catholic says that is all that is needed. I do not agree. Political spin is not often fact.

          And Trump proves Gruber right almost every day that dawns. I do think Obama was duped into thinking the industry was being honest and helpful but I do not think that means he knew the difficulty of the law. Or that Congress would not work to fix any of them. Like Jimmy Carter, he expected better of us and Congress and got neither.

          The other point you miss is not that the “republicans in congress aren’t representing the people who sent them there,” they never have, but rather they campaigned explicitly on repealing the ACA FOR SOMETHING BETTER and 8 years later they offered nothing.

          You can keep asking all you like, I have not blamed the Republicans for the ACA passing, or for single payer not passing. But it is a lie that the Republican Party “was decimated in 2008.” They did not have the majority but they were not helpless dupes either.

          All Trump needed was his own party, and he couldn’t get it. You should feel our pain. Getting to 60 is not easy.

    • Americans use to be a Freedom loving people. The willingness to have (an increasingly voracious) Government take over our own body’s health responsibilities & decisions shows that we’re past that now.

      Limited Government, the hallmark of Democracy, as our founders laid out –was great while it lasted.

      The division isn’t ‘racial’. It’s Conservative vs Progressive. There a many blacks, hispanics, immigrants that are Conservative, and the numbers are growing. [However, it is racist & xenophobic to keep pointing out peoples skin color & their ethnicity, as the Dems obsessively do. ]

      • I am wondering when you think it was Leslie m, that Americans used to “be a Freedom loving people.” I seem to recall our history, even from the beginning, being a battle for government control and regulation. What were the Federalist Papers all about? Why are so many people fearful of a Constitutional Convention to this day? Why does the Supreme Court matter so much?

        This myth that the government has taken over health care due to new regulations is quite ridiculous on the face of it, when in fact, the insurance company (business model/market forces) control was the lynchpin of Obamacare. I will concede that it is exceedingly sad that the government has to mandate seat belt use, health insurance participation, smoking bans and food safety but I shudder to think where some would be if left to their own choices on every issue.

        If anything, the spectacle Congress has made the last few years has proven there is no such thing as “an increasingly voracious” government, much less one that has taken “over our own body’s health responsibilities & decisions.” Having to buy insurance or pay a penalty is no more a take over than having to buy car insurance or pay a penalty is.

        Limited government is what conservatives promise but never deliver.

        The division is racial and any conversation soon proves it. Someone always points out how racism has a role and then gets accused of “playing the race card” well guess what, you cannot play a card not in the deck!

        There are indeed many Conservative, Hispanics, Muslims, immigrants, refugees and even LGBTQ folk. There are also many moderates and liberals in each group. But be that as it may, to call out racism is not to make up an issue that is not there. You can wish it was always a false accusation, but it isn’t.

        • In case you didn’t realize it, Sandi, you are speaking to, IIRC, a white woman with a black husband and two biracial sons. She makes the occasional bizarre comment about racism.

          According to systematic racism courses, it’s racist to pretend to be colorblind when it comes to skin color, now Leslie Marshall says that it’s racist to notice shin color.

          As a Mexican, I’m a lusty “coffee with cream” brown and I don’t mind that you notice!

          • When my son was a little boy he was bummed out because his friend had skin the color of mahogany wood and his (my son) was just plain old blonde wood. His grandfather was a woodworker and the mahogany and oak were preferred over that plain old blonde wood. So I guess according to Leslie M he was incorrect for noticing the skin color and wanting his to be mahogany, I thought he was right it is prettier. Peace and Love,

            • Then you would think Leslie’s sons are prettier than yours, since she has bi-racial dark-skinned sons.

              She shares that, but she’s right that liberals seem to OBSESS over skin color, especially Obama’s as if his pigmentation should exempt him from criticism.

      • I agree. Politicians need to stay out of a women’s uterus and need to stop regulating where people go to the bathroom

        • Edwin, do you really understand how stupid you sound in this post? No, we should not stop regulating who goes into what restroom. Men belong in Men’s restrooms and women in their restrooms. And I am speaking of real men and real women from birth, not how so someone feels!

          • There are a few at my work that say the same thing. It doesn’t mean their right, it just means they are a-holes. As a result I put on my headphones and tuned them out. I already called them out on this stuff once and no one cares. To them we aren’t Christians and my transgender friends don’t deserve to have rights. I’m angry, tired, and resigned. I want to scream and cry but I can’t do either. All I can do is get back to work.

            • Robin, I love you. I think you are exactly who God created you to be. Who you are is a delight to God. God loves you and welcomes you into the household of God.

          • Transgender women are real women and should use women’s restrooms.

            Transgender men are real men and should use men’s restrooms.

            • When did it happen that a social construct or wishful thinking trumps biological fact?

              Bruce Jenner fathered children. He’s not a woman and never can or will be one. You have allowed your politics and distorted version of Christianity to blind you to scientific facts. The YECs are closer to the truth.

              • tayesh wrote, “Can’t change your DNA.”

                I daresay that given time, medical science will reveal the anomlies in the DNA of trans people that cause them to be born in the wrong bodies.

                There is something called Vanishing Twin Syndrom which describes a phenomenon early in pregnancy when a nonviable twin is absorbed into the other fetus.

                There are many documented cases of this and the strange results within the surviving twin.

                It is within the realm of possiblity that VTS may result in a transgender situation.

                We have to wait and see. In the meantime, it is my responsbility to love my neighbor exactly as that person presents her or himself. Jesus does not provide any footnotes or appendices which detail exceptions. He tells us to love.

                As allowing a person to use a bathroom is as about as fundamental an act of life as it gets, as long as there is a stall between me and anyone in a bathroom with me, it is none of my business how another person uses that stall. I don’t think it is anyione else’s business, etiher.

          • Mr. Florida Boy, I have asked so many people this question – maybe you can answer it. Why pass legislation with no idea of how it is going to be policed? How exactly would you police this? Are we all going to be required to bring our birth certificate to qualify for using a restroom? I would imagine that a call for resumes would attract a huge number of perverts that would love to be “bathroom monitors”. The whole thing is cheap theater to once again abuse a segment of our citizenry,

            You keep repeating the words about a man or woman’s body. Yes 2 different body types were created. Yet science tells us that at birth some are born with both sexual organs.

            You keep pairing body type with sexual attraction. Science tells that heterosexuals are attracted to the opposite sex. We also know that there are some who are asexual who feel no sexual attraction to anyone. Science tells us that pedophiles are not attracted to men or women. They are attracted to children. Science tells us that pedophiles cannot be “fixed”. Pedophiles can do extreme harm. Their attraction cannot be altered just as a heterosexual or asexual person’s attraction cannot be altered.

            If I prayed really hard and abused you and demoralized you could I change your attraction?

            Why then is it then you cannot understand that homosexuality is exactly the same? Their attraction cannot be altered no matter how much you pray or abuse them. It seems illogical to expect that only one type of attraction is a choice that can be altered.

            I have asked you this question before and you never responded. Maybe you did not see my question. Do you believe the LGBTQ should be discriminated against and not have the same rights as you or I because of their “sinful ways”?If so does it not follow that adulterers, liars, etc. (sinners) should be treated the same way? That would cause quite an upheaval in this society wouldn’t it? Instead of abusing smaller groups that are thought of as “lesser” we would have to go big time on the discrimination.

            I always have a lot of questions.

            Peace Mr. Florida Boy

        • Agreed, they should stay out. And so should the abortionists.

          Mother Teresa:

          But I feel that the greatest destroyer of peace today is abortion, because it is a war against the child, a direct killing of the innocent child, murder by the mother herself. And if we accept that a mother can kill even her own child, how can we tell other people not to kill one another? How do we persuade a woman not to have an abortion? As always, we must persuade her with love and we remind ourselves that love means to be willing to give until it hurts. Jesus gave even His life to love us. So, the mother who is thinking of abortion, should be helped to love, that is, to give until it hurts her plans, or her free time, to respect the life of her child. The father of that child, whoever he is, must also give until it hurts.

          By abortion, the mother does not learn to love, but kills even her own child to solve her problems. And, by abortion, that father is told that he does not have to take any responsibility at all for the child he has brought into the world. The father is likely to put other women into the same trouble. So abortion just leads to more abortion. Any country that accepts abortion is not teaching its people to love, but to use any violence to get what they want. This is why the greatest destroyer of love and peace is abortion.

    • Mr. , Nice to see you here again. I hope your cousin and his ex wife are doing well. Last time you seemed very concerned about her.

      Do you believe something needs to done in this country regarding health care costs and drug costs? I worked with a labor union for decades. Rising costs have been an issue for years. Decades ago union workers were having to put any raise negotiated towards health care. Many years they took voluntary wage cuts to pay for those increases when there were no wage increases. This issue was problematic years before Obama. Even Clinton tried to address it to no avail.

      People have been clamoring for some sort of answer. This is a life and death meets free enterprise problem. It seems tax payers foot the cost no matter what. No one is going to stand up and actually say just let them die. People do die when they don’t have insurance and their last act is to go to the Emergency Room to die. At the County Hospital I once worked at if you had no insurance but had a home, they would put a lien on your home. Is it fair to lose everything you have if you get sick? Even a simple procedure and cost a hundred thousand dollars. There are horror stories every day about people having to file bankruptcy because of an illness. Again the tax payers pay. On the other end there are the people who are in business to make money. We cannot deny them that right.

      How do we fix this? Is it better to try than to do nothing or kick the can down the road? Do you believe it is not the government’s problem? When hasn’t it been the government’s problem?

      Yes, the election was a hot mess. Are we better off with Trump? I say no. Mistakes were made, but to be honest I think the Republicans were never going to let her govern anyway. Chaffetz said he had years of Committee lined up to go after her. Many Republicans said they were happy to leave the Supreme Court count at 8. But I feel there would not be constant chaos and ineptitude in the Oval Office. I try to find something good in everyone. I personally think that Donald Trump, the man, is the personification of the 7 deadly sins, so I have failed miserably this time.

      Yes, Mr. Pavlovitz is the very bravest one here. He puts his words out there for anyone to pick at. That is why he calls it a table where everyone is welcome and not an echo chamber. Sometimes he picks back but it still remains a table and I applaud him for that. It is very easy to sit at a table with those who only say words we want to hear. Should it be that easy? I don’t think that is the way life or the “love your neighbor” thing works.

        • Sorry Ms. Musto. Didn’t notice you had replied to me til just now. My cousin’s ex is doing very well at this point. It’s been more than two years now since he left her. She’s moved away and started anew. Thanks for asking.

          As to your question, I don’t really have any idea how to tackle the health care problem. My point merely was that the current situation isn’t remotely how it is largely described here. Several people who spend a great deal of time on this blog have crafted a world where every ill in existence falls solely on the right, and it’s just not true. Both sides share the blame, even if there are scores of people, on both sides, who pretend otherwise, or simply refuse to accept as fact anything that doesn’t fit their world view.

          Despite what Mr. Pavlovitz seemingly believes (and what some of his most devoted fans definitely believe), I, and millions of people like me, don’t want poor people to die just so someone who who makes a million dollars a year gets a tax break. We just think that if given the chance, the feds will completely screw things up. We’ve spent countless trillions on the war on poverty. How’s that going? I have no faith that the federal government can do anything efficiently, so consequently I believe a government take over of health care would be an expensive disaster. I don’t believe the ACA was passed in good faith, and the real problems that it is facing were entirely predictable. To say so doesn’t make me a heartless racist who couldn’t care less if everyone less fortunate than me drops dead. It makes me realistic.

          I have no idea what to think about Trump at this point. I don’t understand how someone who is seemingly very successful can behave how he does. It’s mind blowing. At this point I kind of hope he’s forced to resign so Pence gets a shot at it. I have to believe the circus that surrounds Trump would leave with him. I’m interested to see how Secretary Kelly handles the Chief of Staff job. Marine Generals are not known for tolerating idiocy, even in retirement. Trump was never my choice, and I couldn’t bring myself to vote for him, despite my complete dislike and distrust of Hillary Clinton. As someone who has a security clearance I can truthfully say I would already be in prison if I had done what she did. I wouldn’t have voted for her anyway, though. I don’t believe she has a principled bone in her body.

          Not sure that answers your question. It was sort of long and rambling. The short answer is I have no idea, but I think single payer is prohibitively expensive. Even if we took the entire defense budget for next year, 824 billion dollars, and put it into universal healthcare, it would only be enough to cover about $2500 per person. That isn’t even close to what the average insurance policy costs per year. There is a reason even the most liberal states haven’t adopted single payer on their own. They can’t figure out how to pay for it either.

          • Mr. Gaster, Thank you for your reply. I have always felt that dissenting opinions are necessary. Both sides have horrible ideas and both sides have good ideas. Dissenting opinions help curtail extremism in my view.

            Trump is a whole other issue.

            You do not trust the government to fix this. I see no one else that is going to step up and try. Stalemate. This problem is not going to go away. Government has up to this time taken up the slack.

            In order for the Republicans to fulfill their dream of tax cuts to the wealthy they are going to have to cut somewhere else. We know they are eager to keep throwing money at the Defense Department even though they require no checks and balances in return. Yes , I know, they will market it as a gift to the middle and working class.

            As an almost 70 year old I see darkness ahead. Jobs are not going to help me at this stage, but stability in medical costs, Social Security and Medicare is essential for so many others besides me.

            Peace Mr. Gaster and again, thank you for our conversations

  25. Fully agree, Jon. History will one day reveal that President Obama entered office in 2009 hoping to change our acrimonious federal governance by means of a universal healthcare system both all sides could support. The conservative Heritage Foundation developed the one and only Republican plan for Universal healthcare back in the 90s. Obama believed this would be the one thing that would unify the government and the country under his new admin. The plan was already popular at the state level under GOP Gov Romney. Result? The GOP totally resisted , fought, even later campaigned for 8 years against their own one workable conservative universal healthcare plan that would enrich our corporate insurers and protect them against their dreaded socialized medicine. Now, of course, these same Republicans are in a bind because the black guy at the table already placed the Ace card. History will reveal to our grandchildren that these Republicans were on that same “wrong side” of history as the southern slave holders and Confederates were under our first Civil War. This second Civil War in which we now are all participating will render Obama a Lincolnesque legacy our grandchildren will one day recognize.

  26. Obama’s legacy is not the only thing Trump and the Trumpites are trying to stamp out. Trump might be trying to stamp out YOU this week. This is a personal warning from me to you—if you or your family members have an active Obamacare insurance policy. Trump is threatening to stop Obamacare subsidy payments to your Obamacare insurance carrier. He sees it as a way to force the U.S. Senate to take another Trumpcare vote (I call it Satancare) and pass it, or denying the government subsidy payments to the insurance companies to destroy Obamacare personally himself. He has the power to do this. All he has to do is call up his Secretary of HHS and tell him to stop out payments of the Obamacare funds already in the pot in HHS for 2017. When this happens, I predict the insurance companies will immediately just throw up their hands and call their Obamacare policy holders to tell them that the U.S. Government has failed to keep its contract with them; therefore, they are forced to immediately cut off Obamacare coverage and benefits for all of their Obamacare customers.

    Here is my advice:

    1) If you have a doctor’s visit or procedure that needs to be done, get it done today or tomorrow if you can. Likely, for any covered medical visit or procedure that is done BEFORE the date Trump axes the subsidies, your insurance company will likely honor and pay that bill for you.

    2) If you have any prescription that needs to be filled and can be filled right now, especially one where the out-of-pocket cost of the prescription is really high, I would recommend that you go to your pharmacy right now and get it refilled….RIGHT NOW….so you do not get stuck with the full cost—especially if you are too poor to pay the full cost.

    I have one prescription that costs nearly $1,500 for a three-month supply. It is low enough that I can get it refilled today. However, if I wait a few days and Trump kills the subsidies, my insurance company may refuse to fill it at all. That is why I am not taking any chances. You go fill yours now too…NOW…just to be safe and have enough medicine until some sane person in government can undo this evil that Trump may commence at any time.

    I am headed to the pharmacy.

    Today, with these threats, we have a renegade President (Trump) so stupid and heartless that he is willing to take actions that could easily kill patients by IMMEDIATELY depriving them of care and medications that they need to survive. I am absolutely convinced that this man is either witless or insane or evil—and most likely all three.

    • That is a very wise thing to do, Charles. It is a good idea to do it even if you don’t have Insurance through the ACA. Almost all health insurance plan resets sometime within the next 6 months. I expect nothing more than steep premium increases, inflated deductibles, and less coverage for everyone. Repealing ObamaCare will not fix this, it will simply make it worse because ObamaCare didn’t inflate premiums, the Health Insurance companies did. May G-d have mercy on us all.

      • Robin. I agree. If they had passed Satancare, I wanted to see the looks on their faces when the insurance premiums skyrocket again next year and every year afterwards in the absence of Obamacare. I wonder how much the Trumpites will howl when their monthly health insurance premiums are 5 times the amount of their monthly home mortgages? Employers? If they think their employers are going to continue paying these outrageous monthly rates to the insurance companies, I will be watching on the days when the employers tell their employees that they are no longer going to supply health insurance to their workers and families. No entity can keep on paying as much as the insurance companies want to suck out of them without losing their last drop of blood.

  27. My heart is breaking as I state you are right.
    Hatred an prejudice is a strong evil that kills . It must be stopped. We must keep doing what we can. Thank you for saying what we must all say.

  28. The way our government is now structured is flawed as it appears the passing of bi-partisan legislation has become extremely difficult save for increasingly rare exceptions.

    “Majority wins” is not an acceptable form of representation any longer when roughly half of the population feels that they are not adequately represented; particularly when one considers the administration appointed by the electoral college, and does the math of actual state percentages for the candidates where the total of those, per state, is not reflected in the % of EC votes.

    The majority parties have enacted laws that effectively entrench them. Nominees are questionable at best and the opposition party finds the other side increasingly vile and reprehensible. The division is too large to ignore; reaching across the aisle is almost a thing of the past though it should still be attempted by those with sound minds and hearts. If the gap continues to widen, as I expect it will, these problems I fear will lead to some not-so-pleasing repercussions which is the situation we now find ourselves in.

    Hate, violence, and fear is not the answer. Understanding the opposition and, with open hearts, finding ways to unite with common goals is better. Two wrongs still do not make a right.

    That’s how I see it anyway.

  29. I’ll take a minute and straighten all this out for you. First of all nothing racial about Barach Obama. To suggest so is racist. He is a brilliant talented man with Kenyan roots. Kenya is a great nation. I speak some Swaheley. Here is the deal. The U.S. has been moving toward socialism for about 30 years. The following Pres. are responsible for that : FDR, Bush 1 and 2, Clinton, Obama. Carter Reagan caught in the middle. Trump is the last free market Pres you will see. You can’t turn it back. This is where the friction comes in and why the nation is divided. The politicians on both sides see us as useful fools. You will see Canadian style social medicine, a value added tax, and corporate tax will remain high. Incomes will flatten as the nanny state takes over. This is the truth from someone who has studied politics. Playing the race card is playing into the hands of the power estab. I am not a Trump supporter. I don’t have a dog in this race. I dont’ care either way. I just find playing the race card humorous.

  30. John
    I used to think you were a well spoken man, but lately it appears to me you like to strum up strife to send your hits soaring and your books selling.

    Ski

    • Or maybe you don’t like what I’m speaking, Ski. Many people applaud honest, passionate writers as long as they agree with what those people are saying. I’ve always written what I see from where I’m standing. I wish I didn’t see this.

  31. Wow. Al Sharpton could not have said this better.

    It seems John Pavlovitz wishes to become a white race baiter. It’s nothing new, but arguments such as these do nothing for “strong black men.” He is only propagating an ignorant, lazy, and intellectually dishonest argument. He doesn’t realize that his willingness to bring race into this equation is not only disgusting — but it doesn’t help anybody.

    I say this because I believe JP is a good man — even though I don’t know him personally. But the fact that he is bringing race into the Obamacare debate shows that he is not interested in engaging in a nuanced debate about healthcare. He is just virtue signaling — showing that he is supposedly supportive of the black community.

    “You do your best not to ascribe motives to the offender, you run through all sorts of reasonable and sometimes even comically far-fetched possible justifications for what you’re seeing. You even attempt to convince your own eyes not to believe what is in plain sight.”

    This is a load of crap. In his writings, JP constantly ascribes bad motives to the people with whom he disagrees. And the people who follow him eat it up — without questioning.

    “You do all you can in fact, not to come to the conclusion that the people you’re sharing this planet with could actually be that vicious, that diabolical, that hateful—because to admit that would be to admit that this place is pretty jacked-up and that you’re actually terrified of your neighbor.”

    No, I don’t. There are — and have been — plenty of people who are vicious, diabolical and hateful that have inhabited this planet. Hitler, Stalin, Mao, Hussein, are only a few examples. There is REAL evil on this planet — most people have no problem admitting that. These people are NOT our neighbors.

    JP, you brought the black race into this discussion, so I will tell you — most black people aren’t afraid of the Trump administration. They are worried about their jobs, safety, and providing for their families.

    “Barack Obama left office as a well-regarded President who brokered a nonpartisan solution to healthcare that was saving millions of people’s lives.”

    If he was so well-regarded, Clinton would have won because she just wanted to continue Obama’s policies. Republicans swept the 2016 election largely because they claimed to oppose Obamacare.

    Oh, and it wasn’t nonpartisan. It was a Democratic initiative — they shoved it through despite the arguments of lawmakers who did not agree with the ACA. Bipartisanship is nearly dead and both parties are to blame.

    “But at worst (and sadly more and more likely) is that this is simply legislated racism. It is an attempt by largely a group of white guys, to dismantle the legacy of a man, whose two most offensive traits as President were his competence and the color of his skin. I’d love there to be another answer, but that just feels like what’s happening here.”

    This is a stupid argument. Wanting a better healthcare policy is not “legislated racism.” They are not arguing against the ACA because a black man championed it — they are arguing against it because they believe it is a flawed policy — and there is evidence to support that argument. Your bringing race into this insults the intelligence of black people who — believe it or not — can analyze an issue without immediately thinking that racism is the prime factor.

    Nobody cares about the competence and color of Barack Obama’s skin. Pavlovitz forgets (or ignores) that Obama won both of his terms with the votes of whites.

    “Racism isn’t a charge to make haphazardly or suggest on a whim, and it’s a fairly horrible reality to contemplate on that level.”

    And yet, you regularly make haphazard charges that conservatives are racists because they disagree with you. JP, this hypocrisy got Trump elected. You, and many other leftists who agree with you were surprised that Republicans won last year — but you shouldn’t have been.

    You view everything through the lens of racism and bigotry — so much so that you make ridiculous arguments like the one you made in this post. People disagree with your ideology because they believe it is wrong — not because they hate black people.

    It is interesting that you chose to use Obama’s race to explain the motivations of those who oppose his policies. You sound just like a certain percentage of black people who just accepts what the Democratic party says — and it’s sad. But, take heart — Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson would be proud!

    The black community does not need your meaningless virtue signaling. They do not need your condescending, race-baiting arguments that only increase racial tensions.

    If you’re going to argue against Republicans’ attempts to repeal Obamacare, do so on intellectual grounds. Don’t insult black people by pretending that it’s all based on racism.

    • Wow Jeff, even for a conservative that was low. Tell me, is the Susan G Komen Foundation a cancer baiter because they only talk about breast cancer? Let me guess, the NAACP is racist too because this is post-racism America? Affirmative Action is racist because black people all have the same opportunity as everyone else? Black Lives Matter is racist because the cops kill white people too?

      No matter what you and others want to believe, there is more than enough evidence for a reasonable person to conclude that Obama was a threat to the white supremacy institutions and much of the effort against him was racial. John P is not the one who brought “race into this equation” but he has every right to bring it into any discussion on his own blog as he sees fit. This is not your blog, it is not your platform and it is not only disgusting for you to carry on so, it is bullying and also doesn’t help anybody.

      You can believe what you like, many of us simply do not and will not agree. Why is that not okay with you? You want us to respect your opinion but come here trashing ours. How does that EVER work out?

      There is no real nuanced debate about healthcare as long as the Right is so willing to let so many suffer to cater to the ‘less taxes means better government’ idiocy. What in life gets better with less money?

      John P and most of us who support him and agree with him will always stand with the real victims in society. It is what Jesus told us to do, We are not making it up. We know the advantages of marginalizing others and caring only for our small circle of life, but we reject that comfort and camaraderie.

      In truth, the “load of crap” is what you and others on the Right and the self-righteous Christian Right that can manage to look the other way as they know millions are suffering bring in here. Why John P allows it is his problem. I call it garbage and have no intention of respecting those who see a mission in bringing their garbage here.

      • “Wow Jeff, even for a conservative that was low. Tell me, is the Susan G Komen Foundation a cancer baiter because they only talk about breast cancer? Let me guess, the NAACP is racist too because this is post-racism America? Affirmative Action is racist because black people all have the same opportunity as everyone else? Black Lives Matter is racist because the cops kill white people too?”

        Comparing the Susan G Komen Foundation to race baiting is ridiculous. Trying to cure cancer isn’t the same as dealing with racism. Of course, they talk about cancer, it’s the whole reason the organization was started.

        Your statement about the NAACP doesn’t make sense. I never said JP was racist. I didn’t even say anything about affirmative action or Black Lives matter.

        This is just another straw man argument.

        “No matter what you and others want to believe, there is more than enough evidence for a reasonable person to conclude that Obama was a threat to the white supremacy institutions and much of the effort against him was racial. ”

        There is? Can you show me the evidence that people want Obamacare repealed because President Obama is black? I’ll wait.

        “John P is not the one who brought “race into this equation” but he has every right to bring it into any discussion on his own blog as he sees fit. This is not your blog, it is not your platform and it is not only disgusting for you to carry on so, it is bullying and also doesn’t help anybody.”

        I never said he didn’t have the right. Again, you are mischaracterizing what I said. He totally has the right to express his opinion, and I have a right to express mine — as long as he approves my comments. Even if he doesn’t, I still have the right to criticize his opinions on other sites. It’s called freedom of expression.

        And your assertion that my criticism of JP’s opinion is bullying is silly. We’re all adults here. I’m pretty sure JP can handle opinions that conflict with his. If he couldn’t, he’d block me from posting on his site. I actually respect the fact that he allows people who passionately disagree with him to post on his blog — there are many who wouldn’t. I never attacked JP personally — I even said I believe he is a good man. I don’t attack people, but I will attack ideas with which I disagree, just as you do. Referring to it as bullying comes off as an attempt to vilify someone just because you don’t like what they said.

        “You can believe what you like, many of us simply do not and will not agree. Why is that not okay with you? You want us to respect your opinion but come here trashing ours. How does that EVER work out?”

        I’m okay with disagreement. That doesn’t mean I’m not going to express my opinion. It sounds like you’re not okay with people disagreeing with you.

        “Why John P allows it is his problem. I call it garbage and have no intention of respecting those who see a mission in bringing their garbage here.”

        I’m assuming you’re trying to say that you don’t know why JP allows others who are “bringing their garbage here.” I can’t speak for him, but if I were to take a guess, I’d say it’s because he doesn’t have a problem with debate.

        My problem with race-baiting is that it injects racism into situations where it doesn’t exist. Yes, there is racism in this country. That doesn’t mean that anytime someone disagrees with Barack Obama, they are being racist. There are valid arguments on both sides.

        My problem with JP’s post (and many people on the left) is that he is resorting to smear tactics in order to make his point. Instead arguing about the facts of the Obamacare debates, he just writes the other side off as racists. This type of tactic is undermining political discourse and needlessly vilifying people. When we’re talking about issues such as these, we need intelligent debate, not empty virtue signaling.

        I think this approach is especially harmful when it is fed to black people. Several black “leaders” preach a message of perpetual oppression that doesn’t

        • Whoops, part of my message got cut off. Here is the rest of it:

          I think this approach is especially harmful when it is fed to black people. Several black “leaders” preach a message of perpetual oppression that doesn’t exist in the way they argue. It promotes a sense of victimhood where there is none. It teaches black men and women to view whites as the enemy — when the truth is something much different. It communicates the message that black men and women cannot live a decent life because of the spectre of white supremacy. And it’s a lie.

          Does racism exist? Of course it does. But this does not mean that whites who disagree with blacks are racist. It doesn’t mean that white people who dislike President Obama’s policies are motivated by a hatred of black people. Why not assume that people who disagree with you just see things differently? Why not reserve the word “racist” for those who actually deserve it, instead of just hurling it at your opponent without evidence?

        • Oh Jeff, the pattern repeats, you come here and “passionately” take John P’s commentary apart and insult his POV, then play the victim when it is not well received. Geez, get a new record!

          Firstly, I did not “compare” the “Susan G Komen Foundation to race baiting” I asked you very specifically if the Susan G Komen Foundation was a cancer baiter because they only talk about breast cancer (to the exclusion of all others)? The question is apt whether you like it or not. You claim because John P opines on racism being a strong reason for the Republican push to erase all he did that is somehow “race baiting” and it is not. Yours is the utterly ridiculous accusation.

          You think every time the subject comes up, all on the Right are innocent when the memes, blogs, right-wing media, lies, distortions, protests and posts for the past 9 years prove he is telling the truth. That means your defensive outrage is childish.

          In no way, shape or form would a reasonable person infer I was saying trying to cure cancer is “the same as dealing with racism.” And the SGKF does not “talk about cancer,” they talk about one form of cancer. That is their main concern and effort. There is nothing wrong with that, just as there is nothing wrong with having a concern for racism in this nation.

          My question about the NAACP, Affirmative Action, and Black Lives Matter made perfect sense too, and has nothing to do with you saying John P was racist or that you cannot answer because you didn’t even say anything about them. Your obvious obfuscation means you only want to dish it out.

          I am not going to rehash the last 9 years of racism against President Obama and his family. It is all over the internet and easily found, so denial that it was and remains prevalent is just uninformed. The whole “Birther Movement” was about racism, the constant racist memes and caricatures of Obama and his wife, claiming Obama was “not a Christian”, that he was a Muslim, and using racial stereotype language while claiming not to agree on policy (Obammy, Obummer, Odumba) and many other examples abound. To deny that is just specious.
          https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/national/obama-legacy/racial-backlash-against-the-president.html

          It stands to logical reason that if you want to erase the legacy of Obama because of racial animus and make claims about how it was Obama who “made race relations worse” and such idiocy, that would play into why you want Obamacare repealed. No need to wait, just think with an open mind.

          You have a point, you “never said he didn’t have the right”, you said “Al Sharpton could not have said this better” and “He is only propagating an ignorant, lazy, and intellectually dishonest argument. He doesn’t realize that his willingness to bring race into this equation is not only disgusting” Yes, clearly you are passionately defending his right to express himself on his blog. With support like that who needs anything more? Let “freedom of expression” ring! Just don’t act like you treated him, his thoughts or ideals with even a scintilla of respect. He can read too.

          You can lie to yourself that your “criticism of JP’s opinion” is not bullying but is was pejorative and insulting, meant to shame and embarrass him (and his supporters) and vindicate those he has called out. I guess we define bullying differently.

          I do not think being adult makes anyone immune from slings and arrows from those in their audience. Sure he “can handle opinions that conflict with his” and your insults too, but he should not have to. That some of you take advantage of his forum to excoriate him (and us) instead of simply trying to change our minds and help us understand why we might be wrong is why it won’t end. All you do is make us all dig in our heels and keep claiming you are bullies, uncaring, unchristian and unworthy of the respect you continue to demand.

          It is funny that anyone still thinks “Blocking” keeps anyone away. Benny, Jose el Catolico, A Catholic Perspective, The Lone Catholic and Captain Justice are just the aliases that Joe Catholic admitted using while “banned”. John P had to resort to moderating all comments to filter the worst of the trolls.

          Of course you should respect the fact that he allows people to “passionately” insult and demean him. None of you take it as well as he does. None.

          And just so we are perfectly clear, I am vilifying you for that horrible disrespectful and brutish post, and will not apologize for it.

          I’m am fine with disagreement (under only one name). I am not fine with the insults to John’s intelligence, integrity, or ideals. You can either learn to disagree without the venom or get it back in multiples. Your choice.

          Fool yourself that piece of crap was “debate” all you like, it wasn’t, it never will be.

          Your “problem with race-baiting” is you see it every time the word race is mentioned. No one has injected racism into any situation where it does not exist.

          John P has never said that “anytime someone disagrees with Barack Obama, they are being racist.” You assert that, but he never has said it or even implied it.

          And if your problem “is resorting to smear tactics” to make a point, you have a very hypocritical way of showing how to not do it.
          This crap flinging exercise is what passes for political discourse everywhere, even the White House under Trump. I suggest if you want “intelligent debate,” offer it.

          I think your assertion that anything “is fed to black people” is racist on the face of it and hooey to boot. People who notice and protest oppression are not preaching “a message of perpetual oppression” any more than Susan G Komen is preaching a message of perpetual breast cancer.

          • “Oh Jeff, the pattern repeats, you come here and “passionately” take John P’s commentary apart and insult his POV, then play the victim when it is not well received. Geez, get a new record!”

            Uh…where was I playing the victim? Weren’t you the one saying that I was bullying people just because I disagreed with his post?

            “The question is apt whether you like it or not. You claim because John P opines on racism being a strong reason for the Republican push to erase all he did that is somehow “race baiting” and it is not. Yours is the utterly ridiculous accusation.”

            Here is the Merriam Webster definition of “race baiting:”

            “the unfair use of statements about race to try to influence the actions or attitudes of a particular group of people”

            Yep. This post fits that definition. JP made the unsupported and unfair accusation that Republicans wanted Obamacare repealed because they are racists who dislike black people. That’s what race baiting is — calling people racists with no evidence to back up that claim.

            “You think every time the subject comes up, all on the Right are innocent when the memes, blogs, right-wing media, lies, distortions, protests and posts for the past 9 years prove he is telling the truth. That means your defensive outrage is childish.”

            Can you show me where I said that all on the right are innocent?

            “My question about the NAACP, Affirmative Action, and Black Lives Matter made perfect sense too, and has nothing to do with you saying John P was racist or that you cannot answer because you didn’t even say anything about them. Your obvious obfuscation means you only want to dish it out.”

            There was no reason to address it. I never said the NAACP, affirmative action, or Black Lives Matter is racist.

            “The whole “Birther Movement” was about racism, the constant racist memes and caricatures of Obama and his wife, claiming Obama was “not a Christian”, that he was a Muslim, and using racial stereotype language while claiming not to agree on policy (Obammy, Obummer, Odumba) and many other examples abound. To deny that is just specious.”

            Okay, so can you show me that the jerks who made racist statements against Obama represent the majority of conservatives? Can you show me the numbers of Republican lawmakers who made these statements? I doubt it — because it’s not true.

            “It stands to logical reason that if you want to erase the legacy of Obama because of racial animus and make claims about how it was Obama who “made race relations worse” and such idiocy, that would play into why you want Obamacare repealed. No need to wait, just think with an open mind.”

            Believing that Obama made race relations worse is a silly argument, but that doesn’t mean the people making it are racists. I believe Black Lives Matter makes race relations worse — and it the idea that believing that makes me racist is absurd.

            “You have a point, you “never said he didn’t have the right”, you said “Al Sharpton could not have said this better” and “He is only propagating an ignorant, lazy, and intellectually dishonest argument. He doesn’t realize that his willingness to bring race into this equation is not only disgusting” Yes, clearly you are passionately defending his right to express himself on his blog. With support like that who needs anything more? Let “freedom of expression” ring! Just don’t act like you treated him, his thoughts or ideals with even a scintilla of respect. He can read too.”

            I was not disrespectful towards JP. I never attacked him personally; I attacked the argument he put forth. If you can’t see the difference, then I don’t know what to tell you.

            “You can lie to yourself that your “criticism of JP’s opinion” is not bullying but is was pejorative and insulting, meant to shame and embarrass him (and his supporters) and vindicate those he has called out. I guess we define bullying differently.”

            I suppose we do. I think the idea that attacking someone’s statements equates to bullying is ridiculous. By your definition, I could argue that you’re bullying me because you’re disagreeing with what I’m saying. Your attempt to paint my disagreement as bullying is nothing more than a silly tactic meant to distract from the points I made and the fact that you don’t seem to have a good counterargument.

            “I do not think being adult makes anyone immune from slings and arrows from those in their audience. Sure he “can handle opinions that conflict with his” and your insults too, but he should not have to. That some of you take advantage of his forum to excoriate him (and us) instead of simply trying to change our minds and help us understand why we might be wrong is why it won’t end. All you do is make us all dig in our heels and keep claiming you are bullies, uncaring, unchristian and unworthy of the respect you continue to demand.”

            I don’t “make” you do anything. If you’re unwilling to consider different points of view, that’s on you — not me. I never insulted JP — as a matter of fact I said good things about him personally. But I did attack his argument — and I don’t regret it.

            “It is funny that anyone still thinks “Blocking” keeps anyone away. Benny, Jose el Catolico, A Catholic Perspective, The Lone Catholic and Captain Justice are just the aliases that Joe Catholic admitted using while “banned”. John P had to resort to moderating all comments to filter the worst of the trolls.”

            I’m not Joe Catholic. My point is that JP didn’t even try to ban me. I’m sure he disagrees sharply with my statements, but he still allows me to make them.

            “Of course you should respect the fact that he allows people to “passionately” insult and demean him. None of you take it as well as he does. None.”

            I already indicated my respect for the fact that he allows people to disagree. But I did not insult or demean him or his character.

            “And just so we are perfectly clear, I am vilifying you for that horrible disrespectful and brutish post, and will not apologize for it.”

            Just so we are perfectly clear, I don’t care.

            “I’m am fine with disagreement (under only one name). I am not fine with the insults to John’s intelligence, integrity, or ideals. You can either learn to disagree without the venom or get it back in multiples. Your choice.”

            I never said JP lacked intelligence, I believe the opposite. I never impugned his integrity. I didn’t even talk about his ideals. There was no venom in my argument. Was it heated? Sure. Was I sarcastic? Yep. But that doesn’t mean there was venom. Discourse will get heated when people disagree. It’s a fact of life. But I’d never attack JP personally because I don’t do personal attacks. I think he believes what he is doing is good — but I happen to disagree.

            “Your “problem with race-baiting” is you see it every time the word race is mentioned. No one has injected racism into any situation where it does not exist.”

            Do I? How do you know? I’ve seen plenty of actual racism in my lifetime, and I’m sure I will see more. That’s why I don’t like seeing the word “racist” applied when there is no real evidence to make that charge. Racism is a serious issue and crying racism just because you disagree with someone cheapens the word.

            “John P has never said that “anytime someone disagrees with Barack Obama, they are being racist.” You assert that, but he never has said it or even implied it.”

            Actually, I never stated that he said that. I was just making a point that the fact that a white person disagrees with Obama doesn’t make that person racist.

            “And if your problem “is resorting to smear tactics” to make a point, you have a very hypocritical way of showing how to not do it.
            This crap flinging exercise is what passes for political discourse everywhere, even the White House under Trump. I suggest if you want “intelligent debate,” offer it.”

            Can you tell me where I smeared John?

            “I think your assertion that anything “is fed to black people” is racist on the face of it and hooey to boot.”

            Lol you think me saying that the left feeds a line to black people is racist? I’d love to hear why.

        • Good points Jeff. It is frustrating that it’s not possible to oppose Obama policies without being smeared as a “racist.”

          Sandi was using some very weird logic in bringing up the Komen foundation, unless she thinks JP’s work is to insinuate racism any time Obama is criticized. But you’ll get used to her. She comes across as mean and nasty, but I suspect in real life she’s a little better than what her board persona would lead you to believe. At least my logic tells me that HAS to be true.

    • Jeff, you accuse John of playing the race card. Need I remind you that you can only play cards that are in the deck. Deny it as you will, a good portion of America got freaked out by a Black President. The GOP, wanting to hold on to that large block of their voters, opposed Obama as every turn, without having competing plans. It is easier to vote NO to Obamacare dozens of times than to come up with a workable plan. It is easier to oppose than it is to govern.

      • “Jeff, you accuse John of playing the race card. Need I remind you that you can only play cards that are in the deck. Deny it as you will, a good portion of America got freaked out by a Black President. The GOP, wanting to hold on to that large block of their voters, opposed Obama as every turn, without having competing plans. It is easier to vote NO to Obamacare dozens of times than to come up with a workable plan. It is easier to oppose than it is to govern.”

        Sorry, I don’t buy it. There is no evidence of that. I’ll grant that there were some whites who didn’t like Obama because of the color of his skin. But these people do not make up a large percentage of people who disliked his policies.

        I get that it’s hard to admit that there could be so many people who disagree with President Obama without being racist, but it’s the truth. As a matter of fact, a large number of the people who voted for Trump actually voted for Obama twice. Are you telling me that they somehow became racist over the last four years?

        I do agree that it is easier to oppose than it is to govern — the Republicans are finding this out right now. While they opposed Obama at every turn, Democrats are opposing their agenda at every turn. This isn’t something that is exclusive to the right.

  32. John

    Why do you like to stir up such hate? I feel like someone is projecting a bit much. Where are you and your peaceful followers solutions, other than shaking your angry fists at God and people you disagree with?

    I will continue to pray for you,
    Just Another Sinner

      • It is really quite simple, Just Another, it feels like that because you are viewing the issues through your prism and it is not one we share, or want to share.

        Lots of people view the world, religion, marriage, sexuality, reproduction, politics, and all manner of other issues “differently” than you do. What you think makes you right is the same thing that makes us think we are.

        I do not visit blogs or forums of those I disagree with so I freely admit that people like you, who come here to berate John P for his views, or us for supporting them, is a true mystery to me. I cannot help but think it is done deliberately to troll and cause irritation because it is virtually never presented in any other fashion and it never ends in any other result.

      • Just Another Sinner wrote, ” “Why does it feel like you and your movement like to stir up hate?””

        Just Another Sinner, so sorry to see you here again and projecting your issues onto John P. Please take responsibility for the hate you spew instead of blaming it on John P.

    • Oh, I get it. Someone hates a group, we call this hate out, and suddenly the hater is suddenly the “aggrieved” party. So predictable. If you would stop supporting people that support hate, you wouldn’t be “attacked” by “haters” who call out the hate.

  33. Dear John, you told me I could post anytime, that I was always welcome. I would like you to unban me and extend your promise to my best friend, partner and helpmeet, Just Another Sinner. He made mistakes but repented and just wants a chance to discuss issues in such a diverse community.

    Sincerely with,

    Humility Grace Mercy

  34. Dear John Pavlovitz and Reader:

    The election of Donald Trump to the United States Presidency will live in infamy. His administration is a living incarnation of William Faulkner’s fictitious Flem Snopes family. This included a murder, pedophile, a mentally disabled Ike who copulated with a cow, ‘Lump,’ who sold tickets to watch Ike do the cow, a pornographer, a venal politician, and a thief. The treachery and corruption by which Snopes’ family gained power plays out in the very highest offices of the land.

    Extreme and unstable as President Bush was, Barak Obama continued his wars and created new wars. He oversaw the most massive upward transfer of wealth in the history of the world. Obama’s administration normalized on principle the extrajudicial killing of anyone, anywhere, including US citizens. Drone assassinations were routine. Obama deported immigrants in unprecedented numbers. When citizens were slain by police, his DoJ sided almost exclusively with police. President Obama oversaw attacks on jobs, wages, pensions, education and more. Obama’s ‘pivot to Asia’ destabilized Asia, preparing the way for war with North Korea and China. His proxy war in Syria prepared the way for war on Russia.

    The past week was a major turning point for Trump’s administration and the crisis-ridden US political system as a whole. As all wanna-be Bonapartist autocrats, Trump presents more and more as an individualist ruler who stands above both capitalist parties, and seeks to establish a regime based on the military and police. He surrounds himself with uniformed police and instructs them to be ‘rough’ on those they arrest. It was while inciting police violence that Trump called for expelling transgendered persons from the military. John Kelly’s elevation as Chief of Staff means that three of the four, top executive positions are held by military men.

    Civilian oversight of the military is slipping away. Yet our guiltily complicit media says nothing. When Representative Barbara Lee [D] had the audacity to say that Trump was militarizing the White House and putting the executive branch in the hands of extremists, CNN challenged her. Lee offered liturgical penance – military family, respect and honor the military, etc. Bernie Sanders said less still.

    Together with the palace intrigue, the whole reeking state of being smacks of dictatorship. Yet the Democrat Party fixates almost exclusively on Trump’s supposed ‘soft’ stand against Russia. Moreover, it is difficult to see how anything the Obama administration did fortified against these developments. From Carter to Bush to Clinton to Bush to Obama to Trump – I see far more continuity than not. History doesn’t run on an eight year cycle. Let’s not pretend it does.

    Nothing about the Obama Presidency was redemptive or progressive.

    Blessings!

  35. Where is the out cry for all the hard working people who cannot afford the high premiums so have no choice but to go without health care even if that means paying a penalty. Where is the outcry for families struggling to make ends meet after paying huge premiums and then not going to the Dr. when needed because they couldn’t pay for the treatment out of pocket because of high deductibles. I know people who are sick with no insurance and might very well die because of it, don’t they count? Yes, Medicaid is needed for the helpless and for people experiencing temporary hardships but not for masses of people. One point John pointed out I agreed with, why don’t they go after the greed factor? Clearly Obama Care is a failure and has nothing to do with the color of his skin!

      • Dear John Pavlovitz:

        From the same article to which I pointed Anonymous Again:

        ‘The Republican proposal is not in fact a “repeal” of
        Obamacare. It incorporates the structures set up by the
        Democratic measure, such as the exchanges for
        purchasing policies from private insurers, designed to
        more fully subordinate the health care system to the
        capitalist market and encourage the demise of
        employer-sponsored health coverage, placing individual
        workers even more at the mercy of the insurance giants.
        The central purpose of Obamacare is to shift costs from
        corporations and the state to the working class, with
        health care increasingly rationed on a class basis.’

        If so, it seems fair to say ‘repeal/replace’ merely intensifies the health care attack under Obama of which Anonymous Again spoke. The same article continues …

        ‘The so-called “health insurance” that many people now have under Obamacare is, in effect, a transfer of funds to the giant insurance companies. Deductibles for lower-priced “bronze” plans now average more than $6,000 for an individual and more than $12,000 for a family. Deductibles for so-called “silver” plans (which make up 70 percent of the market) are on average more than $3,000 for individuals. In other words, after paying hundreds of dollars a month for health insurance, workers must pay thousands more before they begin to receive any benefits.

        I guess that for one or two out there, those deductibles put benefits completely beyond the mean of subscribers while deepening their impoverishment.

        We might bear in mind that the insurance industry created Affordable Care [care for those who can afford it?] in the first place. Bipartisan efforts have been ‘improving’ it ever since.

        Obamacare cut costs for corporations and government, weakened the employer-provided health insurance system, and rationed access to health care on a more openly class basis.

        ‘Fixing’ it is a euphemism for incorporating more insurance monopoly demands for even higher premiums, co-pays and deductibles and fewer restrictions on their ability to gouge the public.

        Friedrich Engels’ immortal 1845 work, ‘The Condition of the Working Class in England’ wrote of horrid conditions which ‘placed hundreds of proletarians in such as position that they inevitably meet a too early and unnatural death.’ This, Engels described as ‘social murder.’

        How much more ‘fixing’ do you suppose is needed before the language of ‘social murder’ again gains traction?

        Blessings!

        • https://sojo.net/…/we-won-fight-health-care-and-we-can-win-…

          We Won the Fight for Health Care, and We Can Win Again

          COMMENTARY
          By Jim Wallis 8-01-2017

          The defeat in the Senate of the “skinny repeal” of the Affordable Care Act was a major victory — one brought about through a comprehensive strategy enacted by a broad coalition of groups and people working across political, geographic, and religious boundaries to ensure that millions of Americans continued to receive the health care protection they deserve.

          Governors and mayors — who have the actual task of governing — applied public pressure on their home state senators; millions of individual constituents called, wrote, and met with their members of Congress; activist groups of all kinds took part in major public actions and civil disobedience in Washington. It took the work of everyone to voice their support for the basic principle that all Americans should have the right to quality, affordable, life-long health care — regardless of their age, location, or income.

          I’m grateful for the 10 governors — Republican and Democrat — who wrote to senators asking them to reject the so-called “skinny repeal” because of how it would affect their residents.

          I’m grateful for the thousands of you who heeded Sojourners’ call and contacted your member of Congress to voice your opposition to any bill that would hurt the poor with devastating cuts to Medicaid.
          I’m grateful to all those who organized powerful witness here in the nation’s capital. The statements, marches, press conferences, and acts of civil disobedience helped to keep the spotlight on the moral issues behind health care. I’m grateful for how the Circle of Protection was able to unite and mobilize leaders across the Christian families of faith to sign a strong statement on both health care and the budget; and convene a press conference which included the National Association of Evangelicals, the Salvation Army, the US Conference of Catholic Bishops, Christian Churches Together, the Wesleyan Church, the Episcopal Church, Catholic Charities, the Christian Methodist Episcopal Church, and the National Council of Churches. Grateful for my longstanding partner, David Beckmann of Bread for the World, in co-coordinating those efforts.
          I’m grateful for the witness of leaders like Rev. William J. Barber II (Repairers of the Breach), Dr. Barbara Williams-Skinner (National African-American Clergy Network), Rev. Jimmie R. Hawkins (Presbyterian Church USA), Joshua Dubois (Values Partnership, Rev. Dr. Raphael Warnock (Ebenezer Baptist Church), Rev. Leslie Copeland-Tune (Ecumenical Poverty Initiative), Lisa Sharon Harper (FreedomRoad), Rev. Jennifer Butler (Faith in Public Life), Red Letter Christians, Rev. Dr. Cynthia Hale (Ray of Hope Church), Rev. Aundreia Alexander (National Council of Churches), Rabbi Jonah Pesner (Religious Action Center of Reform Judaism), Diane Randall (Friends Committee on National Legislation), the Evangelical Lutheran Church in America, and others. Grateful for organizations like Bend the Arc Jewish Action, the Franciscan Action Network, Washington Interfaith Network, and many others.

          And grateful for the 7,150 Catholic sisters from all 50 states and the District of Columbia, organized by Network with Sister Simone Campbell, who signed a statement that concluded “[t]o cut Medicaid and take healthcare from millions of people is not a anti-choice stance. We urge you to be mindful of the needs of all of our people and the call to the common good.”

          During the final consideration of the health care bill on Thursday, I joined a group of faith leaders in holding a prayer vigil just off the Senate floor, encouraging senators to heed Jesus’ words in Matthew 25. Many senators passed right by us on their way into vote, surprised to see us, and asked why we were there. “Praying for you and your vote,” we said, and then asked each one, “Do you want us to pray for you?” Many said yes, please, and came into our circle for prayer as we laid hands on their shoulders.

          I’m grateful to have had the opportunity to pray for Sens. Susan Collins (R-Maine), Sherrod Brown (D-Ohio), Tim Kaine (D-Va.), Bob Casey (D-Penn.), Michael Bennet (D-Colo.), Chris Coons (D-Del.), Kirsten Gillibrand (D-N.Y.), and Bob Menenedez (D-N.J.) — all who voted against the bill — as well as a few Republicans who didn’t vote “no” but felt the need for prayers.

          I’m grateful that Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.) in the end cast one of the deciding “no” votes. And I’m especially grateful for the remarkable and consistent courage shown by Sens. Collins and Lisa Murkowski (R-Alaska) — real heroes who led the way, and who, despite constant and aggressive pressure from their colleagues, the Senate leadership, and the president, refused to yield.

          Like many others around the country, I was especially moved by the protest of disabled people, and the parents of disabled children, whose moving words and actions (sometimes in their wheelchairs), helped to spark the conscience of the nation.

          Without all of these powerful words, contacts, prayers, and actions, the result of the vote last Friday could have been very different. So thank you to all and, above all, thanks be io God.
          We need to celebrate the outcome. But as we said last week, this is not the end of our hard work.

          After all, immediately following the radical words of Jesus in Matthew 25 calling on us to care for the hungry, thirsty, stranger, naked, sick, and imprisoned comes the first mention of the plot to kill Him.
          Indeed, despite our victory last week, there are already those in Washington beginning to gather — even in secret — to discuss the next steps in dismantling Obamacare. President Trump has already threatened to end government payments for cost-sharing reduction subsidies to insurers, which would create chaos in insurance markets and disproportionally impact low- and middle-income families.

          But there are also those that are coming together — perhaps driven by Sen. McCain’s powerful words on the Senate floor when he called on the Senate and Congress to return to regular order. There is a bipartisan group in the House trying to find ways to improve and strengthen Obamacare.

          I support and agree with this bipartisan approach. We agree that there are areas that can be strengthened and improved in the existing law. But it should never happen at the expense of those most helped by Medicaid — the poor, the elderly, or the sick — because those are the people we are called by Jesus to care for most.
          As Sen. McCain said, the goal should be to pass something “that will be imperfect, full of compromises, and not ultimately satisfying to lawmakers on either side, but that might provide workable solutions to problems Americans are struggling with today; and continue to move us in the direction of more coverage and more health care for more people. What have we to lose by trying to work together to find those solutions?”

          That’s how this process should be done. Not behind closed doors. Not without the input of women members of Congress. Not without input from Americans who have struggled to pay for their health care, not without the input of doctors and care givers, not without the input of those whose health is most at risk, and certainly not without input from the faith community — who collectively represent the interest of the single largest group of Americans.
          Let us celebrate this victory. But let us also remember that our work is not done. We must remain vigilant and ready to respond. I am deeply thankful to be surrounded by so many incredible people who we are doing this work alongside. And we all want to say, thanks be to God.

          Jim Wallis

          Jim Wallis is president of Sojourners. His book, America’s Original Sin: Racism, White Privilege, and the Bridge to a New America, is available now. Follow Jim on Twitter @JimWallis.

      • And do you know what the root of it all is? It is the extremist Republican conservative and his associated religious nutjobs who think every American should be solely responsible for himself and his family members alone—and no one else. This combined with their belief that all women must leave the workforce, quit using contraception, and go back home to be full-time mothers and at-home nurses. This is what they really mean when they say:

        “A man and his family should be solely responsible for their own healthcare.”

        They have this 19th century vision of an extended family living in a huge Victorian house with all the women folks at home. Grandpa gets sick—sick enough to go to a nursing home for the rest of his days. They think that if they can just get all those women folk to go back home and stay there, they can nurse grandpa until he dies there at home. That way, not a single dime of Medicare or Medicaid would ever have to come out of their extremist conservative paychecks—and that by so doing—they will have also re-established some sort of mythical “family order” they believe is ordained by the literally read and inerrant Bible.

        My Message to them: “You are welcome to believe whatever you like—but what you want it is not going to happen—because what you want is modern female slavery. Jesus and the Bible have a higher ordained message: “Do unto others as you would have them do unto you, and love your neighbor as yourself.” Cain said to God, “Am I my brother’s keeper.” The whole rest of the Holy Bible answers that question for Cain with flashing Times Square Billboards: “YOU BET YOUR SWEET ASS YOU ARE!!!” I wish so-called Bible-believing Republicans would just be honest with God and man for once and plainly say the truth:

        “We do not want to do all these things Jesus asked us to do. We have our own personal, self-serving agenda instead—and it is all about how much money I can stow in my wallets and how many bigger barns I can build to hold all those stuffed wallets.”

        • Exactly! This Radical Right wing idea of “total individual responsibility for healthcare” will give us the “Gilded Age of Individuality” where Typhoid, Cholera, Typhus, Yellow Fever, Whooping Cough, Measles, Mumps, and all of the great diseases run rampant through our society because the poor can’t afford the preventatives. Death rates, especially among the frail, old, and young, would skyrocket and life expectancy would plunge into the late 40’s, well below that of many of the poorest African countries. This is the America they want.

        • Dear Charles,

          As MUCH as I hate to agree with you, I am forced to.

          I see evidence of this every day in the work I do for Gloriamarie’s Progressive Stuff on FB.

          I see evidence of it every day from certain commenters to this blog.

          Women are just as much a part of God’s image and likeness as men. Says so in Genesis.

          There is a very old Rabbinic saying that woman was not created out of Adam’s foot so he could walk all over her. Woman was not made out of Adam’s head so that she would be superior to him. Rather, woman was made out of Adam’s rib so that Adam and Eve would walk side by side as partners.

          Or words to that effect. I have, of course, paraphrased.

    • Dear Anonymous Again:

      One voice isn’t an outcry. But could you join your voice to this?

      There is no solution to the massive health care crisis that does not take on the domination of health care by giant pharmaceutical and insurance companies, which operate under the ever-present whip of Wall Street and its demands for higher profits and dividends. These giant corporations must be expropriated and the wealth of the financial aristocracy seized to finance emergency measures to address the health care crisis and establish a system of universal health care, guaranteed as a basic social right.

      As the World Socialist Web Site wrote earlier this month, “The interaction of objective conditions of crisis, both within the United States and internationally, and the radicalization of mass social consciousness will find expression in the eruption of class struggle. The decades-long suppression of the class struggle by the trade union bureaucracy, the Democratic Party and the affluent sponsors of various forms of identity politics is coming to an end. The social counterrevolution of the ruling elites is about to encounter an upsurge of the American working class.”

      http://tinyurl.com/ycnwk5fk

      Blessings!

    • And Trumpcare would fix this? It wasn’t Obamacare that set the premiums, it was the insurance companies. The GAO office predicted higher premiums and millions of less people covered under Trumpcare, an ill-conceived alternative that was evil. Even McCain knew that, that is why he voted against it, giving other fellow GOP Senators cover while making it nearly impossible to get Trumpcare passed this year. Trumpcare is not your salvation, it is literally death for thousands of Americans.

      • Dear Robin:

        McCain’s ‘no’ vote reflects no sympathy fpr Medicaid recipients and workers dying for affordable insurance. He is responding to tremendous pressure from the insurance industry to oppose the legislation.

        As the leading trade group, America’s Health Insurance Plans, wrote: ‘we would oppose an approach that eliminates the individual coverage requirement, does not offer alternative continuous coverage solutions, and does not include measures to immediately stabilize the individual market.’

        The next stage of the attack on health care is already moving. Some states are receiving waivers to add additional requirements to get on Medicaid. Trump has threatened to withhold cost-sharing reduction payments.

        The ruling class is absolutely determined to roll back all the blood-won rights of the 30s and 60s. The utterly necessary response is for the working class to advance its own strategy in response to the bipartisan ‘fixing’ against this basic, social right. Human health must NOT be subordinated to profit. The health care industry must be taken OUT of private ownership, and placed under the democratic control of the worling class as socialized medicine.

        Blessings!

    • I think the “out cry” you seek has been in evidence for a long time but what you cannot get around is the fact that the uninsured numbers have not gone up, they have only gone down so the statistics are just not there to make yours the crushing issue you claim. Most of us found a way to suck it up and pay for the more expensive, higher deductible, but better coverage insurance plans. Those who did not, those who lived in states that did not expand Medicaid, those who did not go into the Market Place and find a plan (or get a subsidy) did lose out, but the uneven numbers make them the lesser number. What someone CAN afford and what someone will pay are sometimes two different things.

      The Dems have been seeking to fix all of these problems, but the Repbs only wanted to repeal and after all these years could not come up with a better idea yet.

      If anything, you are just in the shoes of some of those who could not get insurance before the ACA. Clearly, by any metric Obamacare is not a failure. A failure would have had universal support for repeal and universal support for replacement. That has not happened.

    • Anonymous Again wrote, “Where is the out cry for all the hard working people who cannot afford the high premiums so have no choice but to go without health care even if that means paying a penalty. ”

      This is not the fault of the ACA, this is the fault of the greedy insurance companies. If we had single-payer, this would be avoided.

      The proposed GOP plans would only have given even more authority to the private insurance companies. Medicare for all would eliminate that.

      • Gloriamarie.

        What you have to remember is that right wing extremist Republicans do not trust the U.S. government. If a single-payer federal healthcare system is put into place and they are part of, they feel certain that liberal government authorities behind the scenes know who they are through special intelligence processes. They will get sick one night and have to go to the hospital under federal single-payer, they believe a special “shot” will be given to them in secret to kill them or maybe the attending doctor will get a note from some liberal bureaucrat ordering him “not to work as hard” to save their lives because they are Republican conservatives. In other words, they think a liberal government is out to get them because of their extreme anti-government activism, and single-payer health care becomes a plausibly deniable means of secretly rubbing them out.

        With the modern GOP, its extreme conservatives, and its religious nutjobs, you have the people just stupid enough to really think like this.

        Personally, I like the government that my friends Washington, Jefferson, Adams, Madison, and Hamilton created. It is the same government, just more evolved. I trust that government to love me and do its best to save my health and promote it through a single payer government healthcare plan. Medicare and Medicaid were the best and most loving medical treatment my parents ever got in their entire lives.

        Of course, Florida Boy and Joe Catholic begrudged a few dollars out of their paychecks to help them. After all, those few dollars could have gone for something better than sustaining the health of two old people—like maybe four new tires with fancy magnum wheels. After all, for those people who value the sanctity of human life above all else, the lives of two sick old people are easily snuffed out to get those fancy new tires and rims.

        Shame on both of you.

        • Charles wrote, “They will get sick one night and have to go to the hospital under federal single-payer, they believe a special “shot” will be given to them in secret to kill them or maybe the attending doctor will get a note from some liberal bureaucrat ordering him “not to work as hard” to save their lives because they are Republican conservatives. ”

          Umm… seriously? Are people that ignorant, parnoid, and/or uninformed? Because if so, it is by THEIR OWN CHOICE because there is no more shred of evidence for that than there were for the allegations of death panels in the ACA.

          Do you personally know people who think such nonsense, Charles?

            • Charles, the very idea that there are people terrified of this kind of stuff breaks my heart.

              Why live in fear when there is God? Why live in fear when there is the light that pierces the darkness so that the truth might set us free?

  36. Just read this and it seems pertinent.

    “How the Changing Church Will Define the Future of U.S. Politics”
    By Daniel José Camacho 7-31-2017

    “Last week, President Donald Trump announced via Twitter his intent to bar transgender people from serving in the military — a move reportedly heavily influenced by the Family Research Council, a conservative evangelical lobbying organization. The Public Religion Research Institute reports that 21 percent of Americans have a close friend or family member who is transgender — a number that has nearly doubled in the past six years — and 62 percent of Americans say transgender people face a lot of discrimination in the country today. This snapshot captures the dynamics of the Trump era: the anxieties of religious conservatives within a cultural and religious landscape that is dramatically shifting.

    “Robert P. Jones’ latest book, The End of White Christian America, is perfectly positioned to explain this era of American Christianity. It presents research that has massive implications for how we think about the future of Christianity and the future of the entire country. Drawing from his work at PRRI, Jones examines the numerical decline and waning cultural influence of white Christians in the U.S. He explores the anxieties of white Christians and the ways in which they are responding to a shifting national landscape. The book has proven to be powerfully insightful and timely, especially in light of President Donald Trump’s election and his overwhelming white evangelical support.

    “We recently spoke to Jones about his latest book, which was recently released in paperback. The interview included below has been lightly edited for clarity.

    “Camacho: In your book, you look at both white evangelicals and white mainline Protestants together under the umbrella “White Christian America.” Why did you decide to look at both groups together? What do we learn when we see them as parts of one dynasty?

    “Jones: This book mostly focuses on the last 100 years of the white Protestant legacy in this country. As I read this history, it is a family dispute between what came to be known as the mainline Protestant world anchored geographically in the Northeast and the Midwest, and what came to be known as the evangelical wing of Protestantism geographically anchored more in the South. Notably, these factions harken back to the most defining events our country’s history: the Civil War. That religious and geographical division stems from one of our country’s biggest conflicts, which has defined us through this day in terms of culture and race. I want to tell that story and draw this family tree of what has essentially been an ongoing family dispute inside the white Protestant world about what it means to be church and what it means to be American. They have put together two really different and overtly competing visions over the last 100 years.”

    The remainder may be read here:
    https://sojo.net/articles/how-changing-church-will-define-future-us-politics

  37. I have tried to stay away from the news today. Unfortunately, it is time for me to check it and see what the Toddler-in-Chief is doing today. Pray for me.

  38. A friend of mine wrote this in a post recently and I would love for more people to read it. We have got to do better.

    “To my friends and family who are terrified of anything different from them.

    Look, I get it. When I was about five my mom took me to some sort of big fair. We got there first thing as it opened and one of the first things I spotted was an actual Organ Grinder with a little monkey on a leash. As we began walking towards them, the little monkey started screeching, flailing, running in circles, and then I watched him sh__ into his own hand and fling it behind us. Both of us turned to watch the trajectory of the poop bomb and it splattered right across the face of a person in a character costume. It was actually a person in a Foghorn Leghorn costume. And now he’s got poop on his giant beak.

    We were already too close to the monkey to avoid the grinder so we glanced back at him and he simply said. “New monkey, he’s never seen a giant rooster before.” To which my five year old mind thought, sure yea, it kind of terrifies me too. Empathy to the monkey.

    So, I get it. I really do. When you see something you can’t understand – brown folks, gay folks, trans folks, geometry, facts – it scares you and you react to that. And thankfully most of you have evolved past the actual sh__ throwing, but now you just do it with your mouths. Sling sh__ at people you don’t know because you don’t care that there’s a real person taking your sh__ to the face.

    But even that sh__ flinging monkey, as soon as Foghorn took his head off, recognized that there was a human being inside that costume that was alien to him. He calmed down instantly. He gained new information that took his sheer terror away. An instant of comprehension, a split second of education, and he was fine.

    So I’ve seen a lot of ‘I don’t agree with trans people and if you don’t like it remove me’ posts today. But when I look at you, all I see is that terrified sh__ slinging monkey. And I remember that you have the sum of human knowledge at your fingertips. And if you wanted to understand anything different from you instead of wallow in the fear and hate, you could. You call people like me snowflakes but you literally believe that your discomfort with something you don’t understand should impact the lives of others negatively. Your safe space doesn’t have gay, trans, or even brown folks in it. In the ‘good old days’ you yearn for, you didn’t even have to share the potty room with them. Bless y’alls hearts. So uncomfortable with yourselves so you must make every effort to make sure everyone else is too.

    So as sad as it is, because a few of you making those statements I have known for almost 40 years, I choose the gay folks, and the trans folks and shades of brown folks I’ve met along the way along with those few folks I’ve known equally as long who somehow managed to be human beings while growing up surrounded by a pack of confused, screeching, sh__ slanging primates. (absolutely no insult to the good primates out there)

    I stand with them so you just stay right over there on the wrong side of history all you want.

    All I’ve ever seen any of them do is seek the same life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness that y’all are handed on a platter every day just for waking up. And somehow you think your freedom is threatened when those rights are extended to all.

    Imagine what we might know 40 more years from now? I mean, us, those who seek new information to gain understanding, not you folks that will still be struggling to compete with the learning capabilities of Capuchin monkeys.”

    • Works for me. But what do you do when you have a sorry, sh__ flinging organ-grinder monkey without a leash in the White House? Even the Republicans in Congress are now awakening to this reality, and they do not like what they see.

  39. Not American, and willing to admit that maybe I’m not getting the full picture. But isn’t it possible that it wouldn’t have mattered who was in office before Trump, what kind of Democrat, black or white? The point is Republicans don’t want the state to pay for healthcare, period. They want as little government assistance out there as possible. And the Trumps of the world want to lower the tax burden on the rich by lowering government costs, by cutting health and social programs. So is this racist or simply ideological? Not saying racism doesn’t exist, absolutely does. I’m just saying I don’t know that this outcome wouldn’t have come about even if the previous president hadn’t have been black.

    Abortion is not the subject of the post, but it came up in the comments, and it is disappointing to see so many people jump to the “woman’s choice” line because I always hope for the ability for people to have nuanced discussions. It’s as if once a Christian becomes progressive they lose the ability to recognize the humanity of the unborn. We can recognize that all human beings have rights, regardless of race, religion, gender, sexuality but not, what? Age? Location (in the womb)?

    Having been a pregnant female in less than ideal circumstances these are not questions I take lightly. But neither did I take for granted that I should not consider the rights of someone else whose life I had a part of bringing into the world through my choice in engaging in sexual activity.

    It is more than about a woman’s choice. I truly believe God loves both lives. Shouldn’t we?

    • Judi, you said you are not American so if you were not here during the election process last year and, this President election was not typical it is different than any other I have seen since 1976. This election cycle was the one for dog-whistle politics, or speaking in code.

      One source of how dog whistle politics works here is: http://chicagoreporter.com/dog-whistle-politics-is-gops-longtime-political-weapon-of-choice/

      Another source of a high level overview of dog whistle politics is the handy-dandy wikipedia article: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dog-whistle_politics#United_States

      Also there is a willful denial that sometimes the needs of the pregnancy woman and the unborn child come into conflict. Some reasons are medical but many are social: like the pregnant woman being raped, often unreported because of strong bias against the rape victim in our justice system, and where the rapist has custody rights for the baby; lack of support by the father, family, charity, and the state; obstacles to the pregnant woman to carry the baby to term for adoption; and absolute failure of birth control, which is more common than people think.

      I have found that the “easy” solutions to problems like this are neither easy nor just.

      • Amen, I sure wish I could see everything as either/or but I can’t. I would be easier, but I can’t. Those nuances can be really big. I will never be convinced that God ordained that a child molested by a family member should get pregnant. My God would not do that, so to say that God ordained that pregnancy is bull, in my thought process. Sorry, had to get that out of my system. Peace and Love,

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  41. Mr. Pavlovitz:
    I have no objection to the intent of this post. However, in continuing to qualify Barack Obama as a “strong” black man and an “intelligent” black man you demean black men in general. These qualities are not exceptional in black men, Mr. Pavlovitz. Your language undermines your intent.

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