Yes, This is Racism

As a writer and pastor, my job is to weave together words so that those words will hopefully reach people in their deepest places; to frame the experience of this life in a way that is somehow compelling or creative or interesting, causing them to engage with the world differently than before.

But there are times when to do this would be actually be a disservice to reality, when any clever wordplay would only soften the jagged, sickening truth; when clever turns of phrase might succeed in obscuring the horrid ugliness in front of us.

Sometimes we just need to say it without adornment or finessing.

What we watched unfold in Charlottesville, with hundreds of white people bearing torches and chanting about the value of white lives and shouting slurs, is not a “far Right” protest. When you move that far right, past humanity, past decency, past goodness—you’re something else. 

You’re not a supremacist, you’re not a nationalist, and you’re not alt-Right. 

This is racism.
This is domestic terrorism.
This is religious extremism.

This is bigotry.
It is blind hatred of the most vile kind.
It doesn’t represent America.
It doesn’t represent Jesus.
It doesn’t speak for the majority of white Americans.
It’s a cancerous, terrible, putrid sickness that represents the absolute worst of who we are.

No, naming it won’t change it, but naming it is necessary nonetheless. It’s necessary for us to say it—especially when the media won’t, when our elected leaders won’t, when our President* won’t. It’s necessary to condemn it so that we do not become complicit in it.

This is our national History being forged in real-time, and to use words lacking clarity now would be to risk allowing the ugliness off the hook or to create ambiguity that excuses it. And yes, there are all sorts of other ways that racism and privilege live and thrive; ways that are far less obvious or brazen than tiki-torch wielding marches. There are systemic illnesses and structural defects and national blind spots that we need to speak to and keeping pushing back against, and we will. But in moments that are this clear, when the malignancy is so fully on display—we’d better have the guts to say it. 

White people especially need to name racism in this hour, because somewhere in that crowd of sweaty, dead-eyed, raw throated white men—are our brothers and cousins and husbands and fathers and children; those we go to church with and see at Little League and in our neighborhoods. They need to be made accountable by those they deem their “own kind.” They need to know that this is not who we are, that we don’t bless or support or respect this. They need white faces speaking directly into their white faces, loudly on behalf of love.

Though all of us can eventually trace our lineage back to oneness, all carrying a varied blood in our veins—the surface level differences matter to these torch-bearers. They value white lives and white voices above anything else, and so we whose pigmentation matches theirs need to speak with unflinching clarity about this or we simply amen it.

So I’m saying it.

We are not with you, torch-bearers, in Charlottesville or anywhere.
We do no consent to this.
In fact we stand against you, alongside the very beautiful diversity that you fear.
We stand with people of every color and of all faiths, people of every orientation, nationality, and native tongue.

We are not going to have this. This is not the country we are trying to build together and it will not become what you intend it to become.

Our diverse, unified, multi-colored chorus declares that your racism and your terrorism will not win the day.

Believe it.

*On August 14th, after 48 hours of silence, after initially saying he was against the hatred he was seeing “on many sides”, and in the face of tremendous political pressure, President Trump finally released a statement condemning the violence in Charlottesville. A day later he back-pedaled and claim both sides were to blame.

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969 thoughts on “Yes, This is Racism

  1. John, this I can see. This is on display. It’s not hidden. And yes, it’s ugly.

    What I can’t bear is the ever so soft and veiled racism and bigotry that slips from dignified people’s throats past their lips. Almost undetectable, if not listening closely. The church-lady’s sideways comments. The barber’s guffaw. The oh-so-nice, every-Sunday-church-goer, neighbor or bank teller that scoffs at color, ethnicity, or orientaion. These things reveal people’s hearts.

    And hearts are getting uglier by the minute.

    All I can do anymore is voice my disgust by my lack of response… just shut up and and look pious. Avoid a fight, which are the last things I’ve wanted… Even in that place I’m called down on for being self-righteous.

    I’ve decided if my circle of kin, be it family, friends, or neighbors want me to engage? Then get a heart.

    • I condemn racism and hatred in everyone, not just the whites as is done in this article! To lump people into a group because of the amount of melanin in their skin is racism in its purest form. Each person is an individual.

      Recall the the words of Dr. Martin Luther King jr who admonished us to judge a person by the content of their character, NOT the color of their skin!

          • Racism is institutionalized discrimination in which the majority group systematically prevents the minority group from access to goods and services services dt the color of their skin, i.e., housing, healthcare, jobs, education opportunities. There is a difference between prejudice or bias, which we can all have regardless of color. However, a POC historically as a group does not prevent the majority as a whole from those good and services, even though individuals within that group may not receive them equally.

            • You seem to be the ONLY intellect in this group! You explained it clear as day and people are still confused stumbling in the light right before them.
              Great comment!☺

            • This pretties it all up in a nice little “intellectual ” package, doesn’t it? Unfortunately you’re leaving out the ugly: hate, bloodshed, tears, shame, violence, pain … shall I keep going, you intellectuals? Or are you having some feelings yet?

              • You seem to have some anger issues. So did a lot of people in Charlottesville this past week.
                Many of the rest of us do, too, when faced with small minded groups who think they have to keep America for “REAL” Americans – you know, the WHITE PROTESTANT ones who don’t want any other group to soil *their* country.

                Get. A. Grip. I have ancestors who met some of my other ancestors who came over on the Mayflower. I have Baptist Blood and Methodist Blood in my veins in addition to my Roman Catholic Blood and Native American Blood.

                This is MY Country AT LEAST as much as it is Yours.

            • Gayook, thank you, we can’t begin to agree on what racism is until we have a definition. You seem to be saying that membership in a “majority group” is required to be “racist,” whereas when a non-majority group mistreats someone of another race, it’s called “prejudice or bias.” Hmm. Weren’t white South Africans strongly in the minority? Then by your definition, they were not racist during Apartheid, merely prejudiced. Or are you trying to adjust your definition to ensure that black people can’t be defined as racist? You want to take another stab at it? How about those in the top echelons of society mistreating those below? Oops, the Jews in Germany represented the upper echelons whereas the Nazis drew mainly from the poor and uneducated. I’m confused! Maybe there can be racists of any race. But that’s not PC.

              • You comment is ridiculous. What was stated was RACISM as it occurs in the USA, not in South Africa or any other country. Deny it or ignoring it won’t make it go away.

              • Majority is shorthand for those that have power. Most people regardless of race have biases – they are a problem when they are used by those with power over others in a manner that is harmful, and whites in SA quite definitely had the power to do so, as do whites in the US.

            • Not sure where you got your definition of racism, but I can tell you that life is just not fair. There’s plenty of people with lighter skin that experience less access to goods and services and who are systematically prevented from access to goods and services due to the amount of money they have skin, i.e., housing, healthcare, jobs, education opportunities. There is a difference between racism and classism. Someone who takes the risk, gets themselves educated, starts a business, ect., are called go-getters! It’s not all about skin color.

            • Thank you for clarifying because most people don’t understand the definition of racism. They just think it’s one person of one color being mean to another another of another color. Prejudice, Racism, discrimination… each have their own meaning.

          • That is not what the article is saying. Clearly, you’re too busy declaring that you’re not a racist to see the racists that are actually out there, Which kind of makes you one.

          • You may think that is a helpful comment but it isn’t. All it takes is a few thousand violent racists to terrorize an entire group of Americans. All it took was Timothy McVey and Terry Nichols to kill almost 170 people. It is like saying “all lives matter” when clearly not all black lives matter to our society.

            • I believe all skin color people matter. It doesn’t matter what color you are is what the article is saying. We are to love one another like Jesus Christ commands. Love one another as yourself. There should never be desperation whether color, religion, sex, or ethnicity.

          • Don’t even go there, Deb….anyone of color, and I’m certain you are finger-pointing at Black Lives Matter, is demanding Equality…..these freaks are demanding Superiority……Now, rethink, and try and defend THAT.

          • You are so right, Racist are not all white. A group of I and my church friends (white) supported a homeless black lady for three weeks trying to get her home. After I prayed for her trip home, she lifted my billfold. I did not know it till the next day. I called and accused her because she was the only person in the room with me and she denied it and she played the race card by saying I hated Black people. Not true at all, the evidence was just there . It broke my heart that after spending time and caring for this lady she would say that to me. But, you can’t judge all people by one individual.

            • Helen Allen wrote, “But, you can’t judge all people by one individual.”

              I find this story offensive because you have no proof at all. Anything could have happened to your billfold, yet your first reaction is to blame the homeless black woman. That sure sounds racist to me, regardless of what good you might have done her.

              • Yep. Racism, right there! Writer just HAD to describe the homeless woman as BLACK and directly link her to STEALING her wallet. Classic. No walking that one back, sorry.

            • You could have helped a homeless white woman and gotten ripped off too. Definitely don’t judge a whole race by one incident/individual.

          • “So I guess to you any black person who says they’re Republican or conservative are white. That’s also racism.”

            Don’t be ridiculous. I know they are not white. Though I do have to question their value system that drives them to go through life with their heads buried up to the shoulder’s in Whitey’s ass.

        • @Cheryl
          Not sure what the “alt-right” is.
          I do know that conservatives come in all colors. Our common-bond is not bigotry or any type of hate.
          Most of us are actually Christians.

          • This may be the purest example of latent bigotry I’ve ever seen. Do you realize what you just wrote, while arguing that you understood bigotry better than others?

            “Our common-bond is not bigotry or any type of hate.
            Most of us are actually Christians.”

            Is the fact that most of you are Christians some kind of ethical characteristic? You couldn’t possibly be intolerant, because you’re Christian [not like those other religions, if you know what I’m saying! Har, har.]

          • Define “Christian”…because I haven’t seen or felt any Christian love, decency, respect for all humanity from the majority of Republicans for a long time…..including women, people of color, those needing healthcare….. ……….

          • Let me give you a quick overview for the past 8 years. The “alt-right” are not conservatives, they are White Supremacists with a “flashy new brand” called “alt-right”. They believe only White Christian cis-gender straight males should have all of the rights, and people that fight for them, and everyone else should be under their thumb or dead. If you believe the “alt-right” is on your side, you are mistaken. If you put your rights in their hands you won’t have any.

            • The alt-right are, indeed, conservatives who have taken their ideology to extreme, destructive measures. Even for white supremacists, their base is definitely conservative ideology. The GOP has been pushing this for decades and it has now come to fruition. To say that the violent consequences are not based on conservatism is like saying killing Jews in Germany wasn’t really part of Hitler’s agenda. You really can’t separate the two.

              • Conservatives conserve the constitution. “All men are created equal” for example, is something that conservatives want to conserve. The Alt-right does not want to conserve the constitution. That means they are diametrically opposed to conservatives. Also, the kkk and alt-right are national socialists. They believe in a big government and welfare state which aligns them with the Democratic Party on most issues with the exception of race. The kkk and its ilk have been driven to the right recently because the Democratic Party maligns white people. Identity politics, which has been the bedrock of the Democratic Party, has just shifted from white identity politics to everyone but whites. No need to fret, confusion about what conservatives are in the business of conserving is all to common.

            • That is BS talking. All that you are putting out is words from Das Kapital or Mien Kampf which is being perpetuated on the US by the people who use racism as an excuse. You fool no one

            • Robin, you are dumb as a rock. The “Alt-Right” is a made up term by Hillary Clinton. It’s a very small minority and does not represent mainstream conservatism or your average Trump supporter. You obviously don’t listen to conservative talk radio or their shows, because if you did, they would understand that Nationalism has NOTHING to do with White Supremacy and EVERYTHING to do with being a patriot to our nation, our culture and our value system. You are an enemy of the state who bends the truth and mislabels your opposition as “racists” in a PATHETIC attempt to silence/discredit them. Nobody wants to hog all the “rights”. You are delusional and believe that you can just make new ideas up out of thin air about how reality works and then call them rights. Nope! Sorry! You are the bigot, YOU are the racist. It’s why you accuse everyone else of it, because it’s a mentality you understand very well.

              • Wow. Before you call someone dumb, check facts. The term “alt-right” was coined by the well-known white supremacist Richard Spencer in 2010. It stuck. This is documented in many places.
                It is continually astonishing to hear people label anyone who points out racism as racist. Those talk-radio programs you are fond of seem to encourage this kind of upside-down thinking.
                Try listening to something that is NOT right-wing talk radio. Or maybe you could read.

                • You are right on. Alt-Right identifies with Trump, Southern Flag, & Civil War statues. Now the descendants of whites who never spoke out against the Alt-Right claim they’re all against them. But not all conservatives – some members of the Administration and Congress echo Trumps ambivalence about moral equivalency. Certainly blacks are also prejudiced (this per black friends of mine) when they lump all whites together based on the worst examples they’ve experienced. But I know of no one outside the Nation of Islam that so overtly demonstrates their conviction of racial superiority. We can not consider them on the same plain as people protesting, even in disruptive ways, against bigotry.

              • Why in heck would I subject myself to listening to guys that hate everyone that is not like them? Name-calling tells me that you have lost the argument. Also ask that man in the mirror why are you spewing out hate for anyone with a different opinion or point of view.

            • I think a lot of people immediately jump to a political interpretation of “conservative” instead of the general meaning of that part of an organization that resists change and is routed in fundamentalism. Other than that I agree with your comments.

        • Cheryl Simon, are you kidding me? Your statement is as blind, ignorant and hate-filled as the rest of the comments on this hate-filled article. John Pavlovitz is nothing but a false prophet, liberal, who uses pieces of God’s word to trick Christians into following his agenda. Do some research in the Bible and wake up.

          • Right, it’s “hate filled” criticize people who march with torches, surround a church filled with clergy to intimidate them, scream anti-Semitic slurs, and run people over with their cars.

            I must have missed the Bible’s support of that. See: Jesus.

            • Sounds like your describing ANTIFA and BLM. To my knowledge it wasn’t the “white supremacists who started the violence–it was the anti protestors I meantioned above. Why aren’t you addressing them? They’ve caused more violence in all this than the white supremacists have!! You have taken the bait of the media and bought into the lies.

              • Notwithstanding the fact it was one of the white supremacists ran his car into the crowd, the group and everything they represent is pure evil. You sound like an ultra-liberal trying to be an apologist for ISIS or Al Qaeda.

              • So, in your world, anyone who challenges the hate and bigotry of white supremacists “causes” the violence the white supremacists directed at them? That’s a lot like the old days when cops would show up at a domestic and ask the battered woman, “what did you do to make him mad?” In other words, yeah, he’s an abuser, but don’t talk back, don’t confront him.

                So in your world, everything would be hunky dory if we just let the entitled white dudes have their say, and their own way, without stepping up and confronting their bullshit. That’s not going to happen. Their view is not “normal” or the norm. They need to crawl back into whatever hole they crawled out from. This is not the 1930’s and this is not Nazi Germany.

            • While I condemn those white marchers I find even more problems with people who only lable racism as white. BLM is the black KKK. Had they chose to let the white idiots do their stupid march, for which they were permitted, without confrontation, it would have been over in short time.
              Oh, and you are just one of many idiots that speak from no experience with real racism

                • one group had a permit, the other did not, if the ones that did not have a permit had not come from out of state. it would have over in short order,,it was about removing a statue and nothing else, the anti protestors started it, and some fool put a stop to it, I happen to live near this place

                  • henry, you can claim “one group had a permit,” as you like but I am willing to bet my soul that permit application does not say ‘we will show up in tactical gear with weapons and jeer, taunt and insult the populace’. No community is going to welcome what the white supremacists brought, much less the way they brought it. And news flash, many of the white supremacists came from out of state too.

                    Many of the people injured and the girl killed were Virginians.

                    If you are still stupid enough to claim this “was about removing a statue and nothing else,” you need your head examined. When the white supremacists come to help you, you are over.

                    And many videos show that the white supremacists started it and did not cooperate with security. You are just plain wrong.

              • I’m no fan of Black Lives Matter. I don’t believe they’re really helping black people.

                BLM is a lot of things — but they are not the black KKK. Saying they are is ignorant.

          • Another one trying to get whitey to the back of the bus. I’m so sick of this crap !! I for one am tired of having to take a back seat for stuff that happened long before any of us even walked the earth. You don’t have to forget about it, but you damn sure need to get over it.

              • Living under the oppression is your choice. My mother was subjected to racism when we moved to this country in the 60s but she didn’t cry about it. She rose above it. And I’ve been subjected to racism by black women who thought I was Hispanic so I know racists come in more than one color. When I was in the 8th grade, a black student said to me “you owe me”. Whaaa?? “You owe me coz we was slaves.” YOU, 8th grade student, were a slave??? An 8th grader looking to take my math homework because he was too lazy to do his own, and using slavery as the excuse. I still smh 35 years later. How does anyone expect to get anywhere with that philosophy?

            • That’s easy to say when you are living with the ramifications of it all the time. And “stuff that happened long before”??? Shit is happening right now, or were you unaware???

          • Seriously? There was not one thing hated-filled in this article! False prophet? You are the one that needs to open your eyes. I suppose you think the ugliness that came out of Charlottesville was ok. If that wasn’t a “hate” crime–I don’t know what you would all it.

            • You are on target. The Bible definitely does not, and Jesus is recorded as ministering to people in the lowest strata of society in his time and place, as well as the “mainstream.” I’ve never seen anywhere in Scripture a negative phrase about skin color, and rarely even a mention of skin color (I can’t think of an instance, but could be wrong). Those who try to use the Bible as a basis for racism are ignorant of it.

        • So the “alt-right critters” are the only people that are racist?! Is that what you’re trying to say, Cheryl? You might want to wake up and get yourself a dose of reality.

          • I didn’t read that in her words at all. Don’t misinterpret words – that’s very important.
            There are racist in every race, faith, people.
            Today’s HUGE issue is the resurgence of White Supremacy, Naziism, and the KKK – I recall in an earlier time being told that stood for “Koons, Kikes, and Katholics”. Sounds a lot like what we heard this past weekend. It’s just as disgusting now as it was back then.

            Stop trying to deflect and justify – you’ve already lost when you do, because you KNOW you’re defending something that’s indefensible. You KNOW what CHRIST’s words from the Sermon on the Mount are. You KNOW that He said whatsoever you do to the least of my brothers, that you do unto me. HE is the fulfillment of the Law – that means the Old Testament is a closed book – look to the new. Even if you DO look to the Old, best be VERY careful how you pick and choose, because that pulled pork you had for lunch might get you stoned. That poly cotton blend certainly will.

            • Right on! And if you eat shellfish you on an express elevator to hell 🙂 Funny how people pick and choose the verses that suit their particular agenda. New covenant – New Testament. Amen!

          • Pause for a minute, what would have been the outcome if BLM would have carried weapons, lit torches and ropes into a protest march…. we’d agree, they would have been shot.! Thus, the reason for BLM cry. Stop killing us, we are humans too!

        • Who said they weren’t white?? That’s obvious but what was said is not only whites act this way and it’s not ok if your black or any other color. Many blacks are just as racist and everyone needs to stop it. Black lives matter are some of the most racist people out there.

          • You keep kicking a dog it will bite you. When they bite back the dog is mean. Blacks are not racist, they just want to be treated fair. Love one another, that’s all.

          • Thank you!!! You wrote exactly what I have been thinking.. I do not understand why it’s only racist when it’s white people

          • So just because others besides whites are racist, what happened in VA is OK? So what Hitler did was OK because (hypothetically) a black person insulted a white person in 1932 on a street in KY? We need to stand against what happened Saturday even if racism occurs elsewhere. Not doing so weakens our moral resolve and conscience.

        • As are the Antifa protesters. But it is not just the white that are racist. BLM was there showing their hate also! It’s very funny now people are calling on our president to call it by name. Does that sound familiar?
          Just so you know I do not condone any of that violence. Kkk, BLM and Antifa are ALL to blame!!

        • Thank you for expressing how I feel. Racism is coming from blacks as well as whites. The media condemns whites and honors blacks when it comes to freedom of expression. The media and George soros stir hatred and violence among the races.

          • While I mostly agree with that statement, I don’t believe that bringing it up when a white supremacists attacks and murders counterprotesters is appropriate.

            Charlottesville was a clear example of white racism and it should be labeled as such and condemned.

            When Black Lives Matter engages in racism against whites, we can and should condemn it.

            When Antifa physically attacks conservatives, we can and should condemn this also.

            Whataboutism is not typically an effective type of argument.

          • Gwen wrote, Yes but not all racists are alt-right.”

            While that is certainly true that not all racists are white supremacists, racism is still despicable no matter where it is found.

      • Perhaps David, we should stop trying to soften the blow when “white people” are involved in such hatred and vileness. This is blatant racism. No one is saying all white people are racist, but please lets stop pretending that there are no racist white people. The context in which Dr. Martin Luther King used those words was not very different from what occurred in Virginia…blatant racism by a group of racist white people.

        • I don’t think, nor have I read any comments here saying that there are no racist white people. Your comment is in no way rebuttal to Davids comment.

        • Let’s start calling racists racist. Everyone is quick to call whites racist, but almost never call a black group racist. Yes, this group of white people are racist, but nearly every single black group in existence is racist, including the ones at that rally. You want to show equality? Stop the bullshit of only pointing out the white groups faults. It’s this policy of ignoring Black people’s racism that helps to fuel this crap. The KKK and Neo-nazis were dying out until BLM and Black “Superstars” started publicly calling for the annihilation of whites. You do no one any favors by pointing out one group and ignoring the faults of all the others.

      • David Jamieson- Help me out. How many people of color did you see marching in today’s hate stomp? Blacks? Latinos? Native Americans? No, you saw whites. Today was a pure expression of WHITE hatred.

        • And what we’re all the riots that have taken place in the past? I’m not condoning what happened, but at least they didn’t destroy homes and businesses and completely lose control………. why are the riots not considered domestic terrorism but this is?
          The hypocrisy of it all is mind numbing and ridiculous

      • So David Jamieson you’re offended by your perceived racism done to white people? And how many times has your perceived racism done to white people caused you to be in fear of walking down the street, or being pulled over by police, or even being let in or out of the country?

        Give your privileged white head a shake. Your attitude is what normalizes this kind of behavior. The author of this article is correct, in that other white people need to call out this group of white people. Because like it or not, they represent the whole white race in America at the moment.

        • No they do not represent all white people. The progressive lame stream fake news producing media makes it appear that way to try and shame other people to accept their skewed vision of America. Your response shows you have bought into the pc bs garbage with your comment about white privilege and the other statement about walking down the street, being pulled over by the police or entering or leaving the country.

        • That is about as ignorant as saying we should look at the people who engaged in the riots as a direct reflection of the black race.
          We all need to denounce ALL of the bad behavior, the violence, the ignorance, the perceived notions of each race as a whole based on the actions of a small group ………. just as all cops should not be lumped into a shroud of corruption, racism and bigotry based on the actions of a few. Everyone needs to start holding themselves accountable and start making changes within

        • So the Canadian of color,
          Your last sentence sums up your racist mind set and ignorance with a big bow on it. Racist and liberals are both quick to put those that disagree with their illogical views in one big box.
          I know I wasting my breath and there’s no point in talking to yahoos like yourself. I am 52 years old and I’ve never owned anyone, nor has my parents, grand parents, great grandparents, or even my great great grandparents. I owe no man for what happened over 150 years ago, and I certainly can’t respect someone that tries to play on that for their personal shortcomings or failures. That doesn’t make me a Nazi, or supremest. It simply means that dog won’t hunt.

        • That group of people do not represent “the whole white race”. They do if you make the choice to see white people that way. This is a group of cowards who will only speak their hatred in the safety of numbers. They don’t represent me or one single person I know. Let’s not stereotype an entire group based on their skin’s melanin content – black, white, or brown. Instead let’s call out the real enemy – the minority of domestic terrorists who want you to be angry and divided. By saying they represent every white person, you’re playing right into their hands.

        • “….Represent the whole white race in America at the moment” ????
          That is the most ludicrous statement I’ve ever heard. Does the BLM represent the entire black race?

      • Dear David,

        I assume you’re white. Mostly because of the things you say. Obviously any race can hold prejudices against another. Sit down. No one is talking about you right now. Your comment is inappropriate,

        May I share an analogy?

        David is at his mother’s funeral. David is mourning. David snapped at a few people today. David’s friends are all nice to him, because they understand that grief and loss can alter a person’s behavior as they’re struggling to cope.

        Mark walks up to David’s friends. “Dude,” he says. “Why is everyone being so nice to David? He said some rude things to me earlier. Doesn’t he know my cat is sick?”

        You sound like Mark. Try not to be a Mark.

        Also, I’m white. And I’m in 100% agreement that this white supremacist crap needs to be shut down. This is a huge priority and we need to remove the plank from white people before we start looking for dust motes elsewhere.

      • I’m pretty sure the author would agree with you but this particular article is about what is going on in Charlottesville, and it’s white racist people creating the situation

      • Agreed. We all pull our pants on the same way. We are all on this rock to feel safe, have a roof over our heads and to eat. Yes we have differences, but that’s what makes us grow and thrive. I don’t have all the answers but racism and hatred have no place on this plant. That being said their are a few that would like to dominate the world. A strong team will always win over an individual. Let’s step back and think……………

        • My confusion is when any other race, religion, sexual preference, government party, etc. has a protest or a March, it’s all good. But as soon as the white man takes a stand…HOLY SH¿+! I may not know the whole story but that’s why I see here. Racism against whites. ALL LIVES MATTER! Teach your children right, be good role models; raise them to respect police and authority…work for what they want, not to steal and treat others like trash. Teach them the violence and tragedy that comes with guns and other weapons; scare them away from them. Keep them with you, not out on the streets alone to find trouble then maybe they will be the good kids you profess they are and we won’t have this because there’ll be no need for an Officer to even confront them let alone have to shoot them for having a gun or a weapon. Wouldn’t that be beautiful?

          • And that Sir, is what makes you an idiot. BLM, The New (same as the old), black panther movement, and the Democratic party are way more racist than any white person that was in march Saturday. Oh, and yes, let’s not forget the ones flying a pink flag.

              • The currently popular, glibbest version of intersectionality, is a fundamentally prejudicial, racist and sexist worldview. The idea that you can observe a few social signifiers and determine a persons lived experience (and by extension most likely their character) is morally repugnant. It is a petty justification for enacting revenge against ones imagined oppressors and it bears a disturbing similarity to anti-semitic propaganda from the turn of the last century. Tribalism is an inescapable part of the human character. Our best bet at defeating it’s darkest potential is to live with the assumption that we are all part of one tribe, which means holding everyone to the same standards. When you give victim groups preferential treatment, and hold ‘privileged’ groups to higher standards, you splinter social cohesion as a shared set of moral beliefs are central to the unity of a tribe, once you put someone outside of the same moral franchise they are out of the tribe.

                ‘Let he who is with out sin cast the first stone.’
                -John 8:7

              • Privilege is like someone’s nose. It is there in plain sight but really not seen by the person unless they examine it in a mirror or someone points it out to them.

                I wish people would stop denying privilege exists and start using it to the good of others.

                • Privilege obviously exists, but where it isn’t explicit or written in law, it’s extent, where it exists and how it affects people is immeasurable and unknowable. You can never know the burdens placed on another human being; a more forgiving and sympathetic reading of intersectionality would say just as much. The popular version of intersectionality makes one feel empowered because it offers easy answers and an implied solution. What i find the most beneficial lesson to learn from intersectionality is that we are all oppressed in ways that are impossible to fully articulate or relate to another, our limitations as human beings and as individuals mean that we will never have a perfectly fair society, but if we act in good faith and we treat people as we would wish to be treated, we can hopefully work towards a better world.

            • I don’t really buy into much of the “privilege” argument. But the idea that BLM is more racist than the KKK and Neo Nazi’s is ridiculous.

              I have my issues with Black Lives Matter, but as far as I know, they weren’t the ones driving any cars into crowds.

      • This article was responding to the white supremacists of Charlottesvlle, so of course it is addressing racism in the “white” community. Please let me know if there are non-white rally participants.

      • It must be awful for you David, being lumped in with the worst of the worst just because of your skin color.

        ….Oh wait. 💡

        White allies don’t say “Not All White People.” White allies say “YES me too, I benefit from whiteness and it’s wrong and it needs to stop.”

        Use your privilege to signal boost the voices of people of color. Don’t quote MLK to speak over them and explain why you’re not one of the “bad” ones.

        If you’re one of the good ones, let them speak. Listen. Consider the ways in which you are complicit and benefit from white privilege. Consider what you’ve done today to end it.

      • David Jamieson, I think that the author of this article absolutely agrees with you. However, I think he is saying that, at this particular moment, it is important for white people especially, to speak directly to other white people who are exhibiting these terrible, hateful sentiments and actions as if they represented the thoughts of all white people. As a woman of color, I can shout all day and they will simply dismiss me. But if white men, particularly, speak up, maybe at least one of them will listen? I personally think that what we really need is for our sitting president to make a very strong statement condemning these actions of the so-called alt-right and make it absolutely clear that he himself does not espouse these views and that this kind of behaviour will not be tolerated!

        • He did! Apparently what he said just wasn’t good enough for the liberal press.

          Liberals will never accept anything President Trump says, regardless. They hear and see selectively.

      • David, at a time like this where white people have brought violence against people of all races, being first and foremost “PC” waters things down, leaves a sense of, “Yes, all races do this so it isn’t really that bad.” It is that bad, white people did it, recognize it. We need to stop this. By the way, I am white.

      • Bro, this isn’t calling anyone racist but the men with torches. If this is what you got out of this article, you missed it completely. Stope being so defensive, it is NOT about you at all. Have some decency, think about someone other than yourself in this moment and how you feel, and empathize with a different people. No one is attacking white people, but he’s right. Colored people cannot advocate for colored people. Non colored people must do that. Get on board

      • You just made a mistake. Racism is white. Hate is spewing forward because of this hatred and oppression by whites. You have to face that and deal with it. The other anger and fighting back you see stems from it. You have to end the white racism first. The rest of it goes away. Don’t blame anyone else. End this.

      • Do you not realize that this article calls out one race because it is in direct response to a specific situation and violent act perpetrated by that race?

      • I think what happened in Charlottesville yesterday was unambiguous. A white bigot tried to kill a bunch of people and was successful in killing one.

      • Yes we have had these problems for a few hundred years. But it wasnt condoned until Mr Donald Satan Trump got in office. No he does not deserve the name of President. Now more than ever we need to come together. All people bleed the same color of red blood. All of our organs are the same. The only difference is our skin color.. GOD made MAN in his own image, so to me that means GOD IS MANY COLORS AND ALL COLORS. GOD IS MANY LANGUAGES AND ALL LANGUAGES. MANY RELIGIONS AND ALL RELIGIONS. IF PEOPLE HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THIS THEN THEY NEED TO SPEAK TO THEIR GODS AND GET IT RIGHT FOR ONCE IN THEIRS LIVES WE ARE ALL THE SAME IN GODS EYES.

        • The idea that racism hasn’t been condoned until Trump took office is silly.

          Racism has been condoned and supported since long before Trump was born. I don’t think he handled this situation well at all — but I don’t blame him for the violence any more than I would blame Bernie Sanders for James Hodgkinson, Barack Obama for Micah Xavier Johnson murder of police officers, or Sarah Palin for Gabby Giffords’ shooting.

          The actions of the white supremacists at that rally were their own responsibility.

      • I agree with everything you said. However, in any instance where the group in power, who are the majority and not the Minority, are capable of marginalizing and making others not feel welcome in “their” country, they should be addressed directly.

      • Look at the photo at the top of this essay. How many people with abundant melanin are marching to take “their” country back. NONE. This was a hate crime, an act of domestic terror, applauded by members of these neo-Nazi groups. To not acknowledge and reject that is to be a part of it.

      • MLK never would’ve condoned a world where white children get beat up for wearing the wrong sneakers or not playing basketball or listening to rock. MLK would’ve stopped people from their “harmless” jokes about whites, saying white men can’t jump IS racist. Insinuating he has no rhythm IS racist. Calling out his manhood LITERALLY IS racist. Statements like “Once you go black you never go back” IS racist!!! This has happened bc of a frustrated group of men and woman whom are made to feel inadequate, undesired, unworthy, bot the bully AND bullied. This stuff happens when peoplke don’t check their sarcasm and blatant bigot “humor.” I grew up in Brooklyn, N.Y.C. I know all about reverse racism.

        ” How do we cure racism? WE SROP TALKING ABOUT RACE! I will stop calling you white man and ask that you stop calling me black man.”
        -Morgan Freeman

      • Yes you are correct! Racism in today’s world is coming from every color and not just whites against blacks but blacks against whites , black on black, white on white, it’s pathetic! No one race is better or worse than the other people need to quit with the political bias reported by media as they are curling all this hatred in order to get a headline. CNN is horrible at bashing the right. Along with countless other organizations and are funded and controlled by George Sorros. He loves chaos. He paid to have Antifa bussed in to this protest knowing full well this would boil over. The blood is on his corrupt hands. Everyone else needs to grow up and respect one anothe regular fleas of who they voted for. The political elite are playing you all for fools to gain total control over your lives. Welcome to the NWO. You should be fighting them not each other!’

      • Interesting. Nowhere in this post are “the whites” called out as racists, so much as a specific group of people who choose to identify themselves as racists. In fact, the only call to “the whites” as a group would seem to be the admonition for all of us to speak up and let others know that this is not who we are.

        Let’s “recall the words of Dr. Martin Luther King jr who admonished us to judge a person by the content of their character, NOT the color of their skin!” and ask who was carrying those torches. BTW, “….but they did….” as an excuse for such behavior doesn’t fly when you catch your five-year old doing something wrong, and shouldn’t justify anything here, either.

      • I too condemn hate and racism regardless of what form it takes and who is trying to sell it as appropriate. It is not okay. It has no place in our world. Whites are specifically addressed in this article because the people carrying those torches call themselves white supremacists. They are not being lumped. They lumped themselves! I am white and I want it to be clear to everyone that I know this behavior to be despicable and that these people do not represent me. For this reason, I will continue to speak out. Regarding Dr. King, I respect and admire his words and the way he lived his life. So when I say that I do not stand with white supremacists and others who engage in such ugliness let me say in no uncertain terms that it is entirely because of the content of their character.

      • Apologist whataboutism. This commentary addresses this specific incident which as far as I could tell in all of the photos that I carefully looked over was 100% white, mostly male driven incident. This is the racism of the moment: Appalling, ugly and white, says the practically whitest woman on the planet.

      • “First, I must confess that over the last few years I have been gravely disappointed with the white moderate. I have almost reached the regrettable conclusion that the Negro’s great stumbling block in the stride toward freedom is not the White Citizen’s Council-er or the Ku Klux Klanner, but the white moderate who is more devoted to “order” than to justice; who prefers a negative peace which is the absence of tension to a positive peace which is the presence of justice; who constantly says “I agree with you in the goal you seek, but I can’t agree with your methods of direct action;” who paternalistically feels he can set the timetable for another man’s freedom; who lives by the myth of time and who constantly advises the Negro to wait until a “more convenient season.”

        Shallow understanding from people of goodwill is more frustrating than absolute misunderstanding from people of ill will. Lukewarm acceptance is much more bewildering than outright rejection.”

        “In spite of my shattered dreams of the past, I came to Birmingham with the hope that the white religious leadership of this community would see the justice of our cause, and with deep moral concern, serve as the channel through which our just grievances would get to the power structure. I had hoped that each of you would understand. But again I have been disappointed. I have heard numerous religious leaders of the South call upon their worshippers to comply with a desegregation decision because it is the law, but I have longed to hear white ministers say, “follow this decree because integration is morally right and the Negro is your brother.” In the midst of blatant injustices inflicted upon the Negro, I have watched white churches stand on the sideline and merely mouth pious irrelevancies and sanctimonious trivialities. In the midst of a mighty struggle to rid our nation of racial and economic injustice, I have heard so many ministers say, “those are social issues with which the gospel has no real concern.”, and I have watched so many churches commit themselves to a completely other-worldly religion which made a strange distinction between body and soul, the sacred and the secular.

        So here we are moving toward the exit of the twentieth century with a religious community largely adjusted to the status quo, standing as a tail-light behind other community agencies rather than a headlight leading men to higher levels of justice.”

        Martin Luther King, Jr.
        “Letter From The Birmingham Jail”
        April 16, 1963

        • Finally, a comment that expresses an opinion that focuses on the truth and ideal that John’s article addresses. I see so many “white” apologists’ comments who say it’s not ALL whites who are the problem. In a way, it is. No, you don’t agree with what happened in C’ville, VA, “but what about …”. I’m a 75-year-old woman who was born in Louisiana, Cajun Louisiana. When I was 11 my family moved to Tioga, ND, where my father was working in the oil field. Tioga was a Scandinavian farming community. The teachers made fun of our accents — thought we were being sarcastic when we said “yes ma’am” or “no ma’am.” The culture was totally foreign to us Southerners. My mother said I came home from school every day for the first year crying. No, we weren’t physically attacked; we were being emotionally attacked because we were different, we weren’t understood.

          Can any white person who lives in the USA say they understand what a black person — and I’m talking particularly about black people — feel because of the generations of subjugation that they have been forced to live under. I’ve seen too many comments that say “that’s all in the past, not my problem, get over it!” We are each a product of our family, our culture. I was a young adult in the 60’s and 70’s living in Southern California. I heard too many times that NOW Blacks would be equal BECAUSE it was LAW! I would try to explain that culture did not change that fast and I’m sorry to say I was right. I did expect, though, that by this far in the future we would be a lot farther ahead than we are. I thought we had made great strides until this last election and the months that have followed.

          In the years since the 60’s laws have been passed to allow Blacks to live where they want and can afford to, to allow them the same advantages to education that white people have, to be able to be allowed the be accepted to the college of their choice on the basis of their educational readiness. Yes, many of these laws made the color of their skin a necessity for them to take advantage of the laws — AND WHITE PEOPLE, PARTICLARLY THE PRESENT GENERATION, HAVE NEVER FORGIVEN THEM. The white culture is still fighting the civil war. When the white culture has to point to Black organizations who are still trying to help other Blacks to climb up the ladder that leads to true equality that they were promised by the Civil Rights movement as a reason to excuse the white culture’s intentional or unintentional denial of that equality –depending on your view — then that is racism. You may not be a part of the white supremacy movement or a participant in any hate organization, but if you think that just because our country’s Black population is still trying to make us understand that they DO NOT HAVE the equality that us white people enjoy, that that somehow takes away from the privileges that we enjoy, then, yes, I term that racism. I term it racism because you are telling a whole race of people that the color of their skin does not allow them the same rights that the Constitution of the country they live in allows to their white neighbors.

        • Except for John and some other pastors, this remains true. Having no affirming churches, but several hate groups, within 10 miles of my house, inside a major metro area, is telling.

      • Jesus, on the other hand, told us we should not judge at all, didn’t he?

        That’s how I live my life, although I admit I’m not thrilled by racists of any kind.

    • There’s a world of difference between people that may laugh at an insensitive joke and an evil racist that decided to hit counter-protestors with his car. We needn’t conflate the two.

      • Laughing, silently going along with, standing by watching but doing nothing about it or speaking out against it is no different than these people spewing aloud racism. Just like watching someone bully another, if you stand by a watch and do nothing to stop it or call out the bully…you are the same and just as guilty! Silence doesn’t make one innocent. You are part of the problem!

        • Where were you when I was in 8th grade after desegregation in the South and my friend was beat up and urinated on by a group of black youths after he missed his bus? Or when your brother played the knockout game? This banding together against ‘the white man’ will never work. How many generations and apologies will It take? How many riots where people are repeatedly kicked in the head even after unconscious ? If we all make a collective apology, would it stop black on black crime, which somehow is the white man’s fault? Do what I do… call everyone ma’am or sir and treat them like they are worthy of respect.

          • I’m sorry about your friends. However that is not organized, systematic hate. Some of that is anger in response to being oppressed. Knockout game is dumb kids–black on black crime is probably no more prevalent than whites killing each other. Your examples by no means rationalize white nationalism–which is what the article refers to. Everyone is so scared when blacks try to come together and create love of one self. No white may understand what it feels like to wake up knowing that the majority of people hate you “so give up and hate yourself!”

          • For hundreds of years black have been treated bad. Now that the country is not only white and the power may change, whites are now being treated unfair. Wrong.

          • This is so off in so many ways. Your one or two incidents of an encounter with a group of black youth does not even begin to compare to the thousands of people of color who were lynched, beat down, kicked, attacked by dogs, sprayed with water hoses, taken from their homes, fathers killed in front of them, children and mothers raped and harmed. No. You do not get the privilege of using your one encounter to justify any kind of white privilege discontent. What we saw this past week was a very blatant and public display of hatred that has been festering underneath the surface for decades. There are people who believe their tolerance for people of color equates to their lack of prejudice or racism. Yet, I see comments calling Black Lives Matter a hate group, or people who bring up black on black crime (which I particularly hate, because all groups of people have same race crimes. Do you say Latino on Latino crime or white on white crime? You don’t so stop using it to justify the disproportionate ill treatment of blacks), or the media who say that black people who are protesting are thugs. It’s sickening to see that after this author clearly and concisely mentioned the need for whites to address other white people about the underlying hatred that is boiling over in this country, you choose to say its not my fault. Look I got hurt too. Its a coward move and I rather hear you say, I am scared to speak out about racism and prejudice that I know I have in my family, my friends and maybe even in me for fear of being rejected, attacked or disowned by those I love. I rather hear you say that….at least then I can sympathize. But to say it’s not my fault, they always blame the white man, or any of the other lame excuses I’ve seen and heard white people say because the very word racism makes them feel uncomfortable and guilty is just sad. Ask for some Holy Ghost boldness if you are a believer and speak out or if you’re not a believer…grow some balls.

          • Racism is not exclusively a “white” problem. Racism is an Everyone problem. Acceptance and discussion of diversity is what is needed. Violence is Never the answer. Jesus walked amongst the very people that hung him on the cross but begged for their forgiveness

            • Cathy wrote, “Racism is not exclusively a “white” problem.”

              The fact that you write these words demonstrated that racism is solely a white problem. What you wrote smacks of white privilege.

              Racism is the besetting sin of the USA and is as much a part of the founding of this country as it our protest against Great Britain. White people no sooner got here than they started pushing the native Americans out of the way.

              Slavery was here from the very beginning.

              We have to get over our fine white privilege and start treating and acting better.

              It’s a crying shame that our national leaders can’t show us the way because they are too racist to see how racist they are.

      • But I feel that this goes to the very heart of the issue….while yes, the two acts can’t be conflated….it is the small, as you say, insensitive acts that are a part of the day to day racism that is in this country….we must start to address these quieter displays of bigotry with courage….we must engage and have a dialogue about this racism that is so easily swept under the rug if we are to make any progress…I posed the question in a post today, “How can you hate someone you do not even know?” I believe these small slights are just as problematic and come from just as much of place of hate and fear.

        • I understand your point completely, but I don’t agree. Such low-level racism is certainly hurtful, but I don’t think it truly comes from hate, but rather insensitivity or thoughtlessness. I had a good friend, may he rest in peace, with whom I worked and worshiped for 20 years, who would occasionally come out with the most shocking statements. But I knew he was a genuinely good person, with a huge heart. He just had no “filter” between his brain and his mouth. And I have on occasion caught myself making unfounded assumptions which didn’t stand up to analysis. I have to continually examine my own thought process and always think how I would react if what I was about to say were said to me.

      • Spin it all you want. Soft bigotry is still bigotry. Laughing at a nasty racist joke is still racist, whether you admit it or not. And what the hell do you find funny about being insensitive? It isn’t funny, it’s disgusting.

        • “Spin it all you want. Soft bigotry is still bigotry. Laughing at a nasty racist joke is still racist, whether you admit it or not. And what the hell do you find funny about being insensitive? It isn’t funny, it’s disgusting.”

          There is a difference.

          Sometimes people make racially insensitive remarks without knowing it. Also, sometimes people who are friends and they feel comfortable enough to make racial jokes with each other about stereotypes.

          I’ve laughed at racial jokes made about my own race. Would that mean that I hate my own race?

          Of course not.

          If someone intentionally makes a racial joke knowing that people might be offended, that’s disgusting. But it’s not the same as someone accidentally making a comment that they didn’t know would offend.

      • Big difference BUT the violence grows strong as it is sheltered in the quieter expressions of racism. If anyone calls him/herself by the name ‘Christian’ it would be good to check out what Jesus taught about love and acceptance.

        • Exactly Evan. Microaggressions are like mosquito bites. A few a month is not too bad, but to have to endure a swarm of them biting you, day after day, will make you lash out and people will start dismissing what you are experiencing because they aren’t getting eaten up and don’t understand what the big deal is.

      • Truthfully, that world of difference is simply just a line that hasn’t been crossed yet. It always starts with an insensitive joke.

      • Laughing at an insensitive racial joke still promotes racism. Though it is non-violent in nature it is more insidious. Until racism in all of it’s forms is no longer tolerated by friends, family members, coworkers, and even
        aquaintances, it will continue to permeate our society and add fuel to the maniacs who publicly spew hatred and bigotry. It is each individual’s responsibility to call people out when they communicate any form of racism even in it’s subtlest forms. Peer pressure and education may be the most effective ways of reducing the prevalence of racism and bigotry in our society, recognizing the fact that it will likely never be completely irradicated.

        • Exactly I don’t laugh at those kind of jokes when I hear them and I call people out when they tell them. It works when you say something because people realize immediately how awful the joke really is.

    • Susan, you make a good point, every time we look the other way, snicker or ignore the common, every day usage of racism, we are feeding the ignorance and anger that is required to build up to being a full on white supremacist. You can say “I’m not them” all day long, but when you see it, hear it, know it is there and refuse to confront it, or even show your disdain, you are enabling it and we have to stop that. That is our duty to confront the issue and change hearts.

      Many do not mean to come across as racist, many are literally just ignorant that their comments are hurtful or feeding the problem. When called a “racist” they will bristle, deny it, get angry, blame you for noticing and claim we just see racism everywhere instead of realizing it IS everywhere and the only way it stops is to consciously make the effort not to feed racism. If someone says you might be a racist, examine that and change the perception, because denial is not effective.

    • Virtually every single white supremacist demonstrator spreading this hate in Charlottesville identifies as a christian. The bible was (is?) used to justify slavery in America and through-out the other parts of the christian slaving world. Men like Jeff Sessions, who have spent their lives trying to oppress the Black vote in America consider themselves devout christians. The pattern is obvious…

      • Hitler also identified as a Christian in speeches and writing, but do we believe he was a Christian. Absolutely Not! He won the hearts of other Christians through his speech and successfully turned them against the Jews. He did much damage by invoking God’s name just to gain support. Many, many people use scripture and their faith to justify their sin or sin in the world, which should bring their claim of Christianity into question. So please don’t say that these white supremacists and neo nazis represent Christianity and or conservatives, regardless of what they claim. There have been many false prophets since the world began and there will continue to be until Jesus returns for His Bride.

    • 2 Timothy 3:1-5 You may as well know this too, Timothy, that in the last days it is going to be very difficult to be a Christian. For people will love only themselves and their money; they will be proud and boastful, sneering at God, disobedient to their parents, ungrateful to them, and thoroughly bad. They will be hardheaded and never give in to others; they will be constant liars and troublemakers and will think nothing of immorality. They will be rough and cruel, and sneer at those who try to be good. They will betray their friends; they will be hotheaded, puffed up with pride, and prefer good times to worshiping God. They will go to church, yes, but they won’t really believe anything they hear. Don’t be taken in by people like that.

    • I find it very convenient that the preachers are out in force now that the right is finally pushing back “in force” against their agenda. Sometimes taking to the streets is what is necessary. Remember MLK and the riots he created? Of course you can justify it in your minds, just as the alt-right can justify what they are doing. What needs to be debated and fixed is the great divide that exists in our culture today. The “Left” must purge their activist and move to the center, becoming much more civil. The “Right” must do the same. I doubt that will happen. Why? Because the “Right” has been asking the “Left” to do this for quite some time. The “Right” has finally had enough. The “Right” thought the Tea Party would wake up those who called themselves Progressives and change their radical behavior; that, of course, didn’t happen. This is the result of the “Left” not telling their activists to shut up and fall in line. Everyone can see where this is headed, to revolution. Middle America will not stand for this. Say goodbye to the politically correct world you have been calling home.

      • We will not stand idly by while you facsists (make no mistake that’s what you are) destroy our country. If a war is what you insist on, a war is what you shall have.

      • “Sometimes taking to the streets is what is necessary. Remember MLK and the riots he created? Of course you can justify it in your minds, just as the alt-right can justify what they are doing. What needs to be debated and fixed is the great divide that exists in our culture today. ”

        I have no idea where to begin in addressing your ignorant and ridiculous statement.

        What riots did MLK create? Last time I checked, marching peacefully without retaliating against the attacks by police officers does not constitute rioting. There’s a book called “Merriam Webster’s Dictionary” that you should read.

        The alt-right is not fighting for the same thing MLK was fighting for and you know it.

        The alt-right can drink at the same water fountains as everyone else. They can eat at the same restaurants, use the same restrooms. They can even vote (although they probably shouldn’t).

        The comparison is absurd.

        As a conservative, I find your nonsensical arguments laughable — and most conservatives would agree with me.

        I really hope you pick up a history book and educate yourself. (but I won’t hold my breath)

    • I just hope and pray that you are standing up for the gospels as much as you are judging other people. I don’t ever hear “all that stuff” and the group of white nationalists was very small, compared to the other conservatives who were there to protect their first amendment. John failed to mention the ANTIFA and BLM as did you, and that is pure racism!

      • “the group of white nationalists was very small, compared to the other conservatives who were there to protect their first amendment.”

        I have no idea what you mean by the 2nd part of that sentence. It was armed white supremacist thugs versus various liberal groups. Who were the “other conservatives protecting the 1st am”?

    • When a “Pastor” does not speak Truth what do you have? Not the word of God. When you try to make it sound like Nazi’s were taking over; and leave out the fact that had others not started the fighting, tried to erase history, called everyone else names,attacked with Bricks-boards-etc … YOU are the problem. BLM, ANTIFA, and others who you are helping push an UNTRUE narrative are the cause. If people had NOT been trying to shut down others right to free speech there would have been no problem. Too many so called Church people and “PASTORS” seem to only be too quick to deny the rights of others but Demand theirs. Definitely there were some bad actors; but YOU, supporting people who were paid in many cases to start the fight are the REAL Problem. Show me where Jesus took the side of the people doing the Stoning and blamed the person being stoned. Wake up.

      • I wish I could say this anger and ignorance is stunning, but frankly it is just typical and precisely why we can never get anywhere. Always with the “well what about…” some other group (because two wrongs make a right?) and never accepting any blame, any insight, any effort at self-reflection. Even if the left was to blame (which is not true), even if BLM and Antifa were actual groups with actual leaders and actually violent agendas (which is not true), HOW does that excuse the white supremacists and neo-nazis in Charlottesville?

        White supremacists, white nationalists, racists and neo-nazis embrace Confederate iconography as symbols of white supremacy. THAT is the problem. It has actually been the problem all along, they just finally started coming out and proving it by shouting “Blood and Soil” (a Nazi view) and “Jews will not replace us” as they rallied to “protect” the statues. They might as well have brought sledge hammers and beat R.E. Lee into the ground. They did more damage than any other protest ever has.

        At some point we need to have a discussion on what “free speech” is and what parameters it needs to have. When you come to express your beliefs wearing helmets, identifiable “uniforms”, emblems of hate, racism, anarchy, separation and division, carrying shields and tactical batons (oh, and guns), waving offensive, racist flags and shouting racist, anti-semitic insults, you are trying to incite violence and the whole world knows it. We need to measure the costs in lives, injuries, property damage. business, traffic, commerce interruption and harm against the right to say what you want, where you want, when you want and how you want. As a society, we have rights too! Expecting any community to just accept (never mind respect) those with offensive, destructive and anti-societal views without push back is not realistic. Just cleaning up after the carnage is not serving anyone’s ideals.

        Yes violence can and does happen at many protests (and sports events) because passion runs high, but that does not mean every movement or group is supporting ideals offensive to and anathema to America like these white supremacists are.

    • This is a beautiful treatise to what behavior we will not stand for what we must speak out about but alas we MUST not take a stand against the people ~ against is against and forces armament and attack. We must stand louder and stronger that with which we are about. We must care for everyone . And demonstrate what we are FOR. A counter demonstration is a declaration of war to those who believe in war. Only in honor and respect for ALL BEINGS will this country turn itself around. We will never break through hate with hate. Reverend Katherine McClelland

    • This has all been done before .. different cultures… different situations.. different scenarios.. all inter-weaved with racism.. peoples rights..injustices..Far too many to list and make comments on..they have all been hashed to bits anyway.. SOOO.. when you throw reason and thoughts on one, you have to remember the others..Does that make it any better? Not hardly. Is it racist? yes..The realization it is makes no difference to the ones doing it.. whether white, black, latino, asian, muslim or whatever.. we all have a podium in a free country.. right or wrong.. our history is steeped in those rights to speak our feelings and thoughts..including yours, as all of us. That price that has been paid and the journey to do so is written in blood and courage. “Judge not lest ye be judged” is just one of the golden rules to live by.. which is difficult with so many injustices in this world of today.. Is there an answer? Only the final judgement.. which is the only one i care about and try, as difficult as it is, to adhere to .

    • Silence in the face of wrongdoing or wrong thinking is also tacit agreement with what is happening, so not speaking up is not the answer. Speaking up is harder and riskier, but it means that you are registering a vote against things you believe to be wrong. Hitler’s Germany came to be in part because people did not speak out against what was happening. I sincerely believe that is happening in our country now!

    • Actually, John P., you are wrong about one thing. What we all witnessed in Charlottesville is white supremacy in action and we must call it by its proper name. I appreciate that you tried to speak out against it the best way you know however as an expert and a target of such an evil institution I could not pass that statement bye without correcting you. Please take the correction in love.

      Also, if you really want to be a part of a movement of religious & evangelical folk who know and have been fighting white supremacy contact Dr. William Barber, Rev. James Wallis, Dr. Michael Eric Dyson, etc. join with them now.

    • This is racism without any doubt. They may be in white skin but their hearts are black with hatred. God is love. He is Spirit. Have they never opened the word of God and let that word become alive in them. God and His angels can appear in any form they desire. The one thing they will all have in common is they come in the Spirit of Love.

  2. Yes, yes, yes. I try to find common ground to address this, but this is what it is, and it has to be said. (Also misogyny, dare I add, though they’re less in-your-face with that.)

  3. I find myself wondering if these people would even get the message if it were sent. I’d like to think they would but I have become so jaded in recent months that I am having serious doubts.

    Dear God, please help them to see the error of their ways.

    • That’s exactly what I’ve been thinking, Scott. Unfortunately, this mentality is so ingrained from birth for many, and they know who to find to “teach” their horrible, racist ways…the gullible, and easily swayed, types who are desperately seeking attention. It’s a very sad situation, and I’m afraid it’s only going to get worse over the next 3 and a half years, unless…

      We can only hope, and pray, for tolerance and love to become a much larger part of society in our everyday life. Peace to you and your family.

    • We tell our children to clean their rooms all their life and they don’t; yet somehow when they become adults a clean house is of value to them.
      Talk to people. Tell them without judgement why you think a different way. The results may not come instantly, but a seed of an idea may take root and grow. These people turned away from those who think differently and now they have created a skewed reality. That doesn’t mean they can’t change.

    • Scott, I am jaded as well but I don’t see any one person who knows what the solution is or is truly able to help solve it. As far as I can see it’s fighting and hatred all around. The only bright spot I saw at the rally was people of faith locking arms in solidarity.

    • I agree with you. I know every generation has worried about the next but I’m really concerned about the men and women in their thirties who really don’t care. If they don’t care to teach their children who will do it? Not the teachers who don’t have an extra minute in their over filled day. We need these people everyone to teach their children love and peace right and wrong but I feel the message is getting lost on todays kids. I’m just very sad.

  4. What you, John, describe here reminds me of the many attempts in the history of human existence to use fear for an end; Hitler, the KKK, The Romans in Jesus day, – this list is endless.
    These people have great fear of something, they attract others into that fear that then creates fear among the innocent.
    Humans learn that fear is a way to get others to follow delusion, the fear promoters become temporarily powerful, yet every powerful person is brought to an ill end when that power is gained at the expense of others.
    At the other end are those who know fear isn’t real in the sense of bringing about good. These people operate from a position of love. Love being the only REAL element in our human existence.

  5. Haven’t heard of you before, but just wandering if you posted the same type of message, when the large “Black Lives Matter” protesters did the same?

    • As I see it, the Black Lives Matter movement never diminished the importance of anyone else; just that everyone should be treated as equals.

      • Yes they did!! What about calling for the death of police officers. But that’s okay. It’s okay for other races to tout their agenda even at the expense of others. It’s excepted. But the minute a white person does the same thing they are a racist. Sick and tired of the double standard. Racism goes both ways. Personally I don’t give a rats ass who you are, treat me with respect and I will treat you the same.

          • I beg to differ – I am neither white nor black, but have had some people of both races say negative things to me. This, even though they don’t know me. I have heard people of both races, who are racist in their comments and the way they talk about the other race [not theirs]. Isn’t it time for everyone [whatever color] to stop being racist??
            People just need to stop this way of thinking and treat others as they want to be treated or would want their family to be treated.

            With regard to this particular situation, I agree with calling out their racism, as well as their mob mentality.

            I also do not see how bringing weapons or things that can be used as weapons to a protest would or could be conceived as peaceful. Both sides need to check themselves.

            • I suppose it has something to do with how we define “racism” and how we are using it.

              “prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism directed against someone of a different race based on the belief that one’s own race is superior.”

              “the belief that all members of each race possess characteristics or abilities specific to that race, especially so as to distinguish it as inferior or superior to another race or races.”

              Now it is true that black people can hate white people, and a person can hate any other race too, but it is not true that any minority has the power to make racism into discrimination, or the power to make that inferiority known or acted upon. White people are the majority and the majority is who can discriminate both individually and institutionally.

        • It’s also vital to remember where speaking out is most valid, and best heard — close to home. As a white male, this author is best positioned to speak intelligently about (and unequivocally condemn) prejudiced acts perpetrated by white males. Not having experienced the world as a person of color, he is likely less equipped to discuss the big, but also nuanced, issues associated with the BLM movement, and the majority of his audience less likely to benefit from such a discussion.

          Fantastic piece, John.

        • As a matter of fact, Carri, I don’t recall anything about that from any reliable source.

          Can you provide a citation, please? If someone is going to make such a hideous assertion, the least they can do is offer evidence in support.

      • Then you have your eyes closed. This is the same as BLM, although without the looting and without the promise of violence. Chants of ‘kill the police’ and ‘kill the white man’ are a part of each of their protests. Don’t believe me, just do a quick search, plenty of footage out there. In my eyes BLM is much more violent, and much more racist, although any amount of racism is unacceptable.

      • Goodnight, are you kidding ? “Pigs in a blanket! Fry ’em like bacon!” Shouted by an entire BLM crowd in Dallas LAST summer just before one of their own took his ex-Military sniper training and murdered 5 Dallas police officers dead and left others injured – same ones who made sure the bacon chanting protesters got away safely from the carnage. “What do we want? Dead cops! When do we want ’em? Now!!!” Group chanted at another BLM protest march in NYC…just before two cops were murdered in the car. Both groups of haters in Charlottesville need to get to the heart of the problem – sin and the defiant refusal to face it within instead of blaming without. But please…no special pleading on behalf of the BLM racist lies any more than the white racist lies. Both are vile.

        • People just marched with torches, beat people with pipes, and ran their cars into crowds.

          You’re doing what people in denial do: avoiding what’s in front of you. BLM has nothing to do with this. Have the guts to deal with Charlottesville.

          • The GROUP did not run their CARS into a group of people, ONE lunatic did that all by himself ……. have the guts to deal with ALL aspects of racism

          • That’s the most bigoted statement I have ever heard That comment is racism at it’s finest You denounce all the violent behavior at BLM. How convenient and not true.

            • Yes, I’m a bigot for not equating a movement born out of mother’s grief at the loss of their sons—to a bunch of angry white guys marching with torches and beating people with pipes.

              If that’s bigotry, I’m guilty.

          • Hm. One effort to steer the thread back on track:

            BLM is accused of being this and that – so what? How does that justify the racism and terrorism that surfaced in Charlottesville? More specifically, how were the Christians justified? I cannot see that we are, ever.

            Here is a political statement that helped turn the world upside down:
            “You have heard that it was said, ‘An eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth.’ But I say to you, Do not resist the one who is evil. But if anyone slaps you on the right cheek, turn to him the other also. And if anyone would sue you and take your tunic, let him have your cloak as well. And if anyone forces you to go one mile, go with him two miles. “

            • So your solution is to not hold them for their criminal acts when they commit them? We are not to shun these fools? We are not to speak out against this hate?

          • The more you write John, the more I truly believe you are sincerely a POS. You are in no way a preacher. Have the guts? Yes, YOU are the one who is hiding and helping to promote ALL what you say you are against.

              • John, I have seen this evil in the eye. They want me and my friends dead, shoved into ovens. This is their goal. Please keep posting. We need this discussion as many are in denial.

                • Robin wrote, “They want me and my friends dead, shoved into ovens.”

                  I know they do, Robin, and it simultaneously breaks my heart and outrages me to action.

                  I promise you I am an ally and a supporter and I will do everything I can, such as it is, to change things so that this country, this world, is safe for all of God’s children which is all of humanity to live their lives as the people it delighted God to create.

                  If that puts me in the oven with you, then at least we die as martyrs for the Christian faith.

      • Oh ! You mean like when BLM marches and chants “what do we want? Dead pigs, when do we want it ? Now!” Yeah their a real chip off Martin Luther Kings shoulder!! NOT!!

      • Definitely not true. Black lives matter is a terrorist organization. Check it out in detail. It is full of hate. The innocent name belies it’s real nature. I condemn the racism being displayed. Also, under Obama and his administration, he encouraged violence or did not speak out against it in many cases. Many people noticed that and began to see an attack on themselves just for being white. This is also taking place on college campuses. So, it should be expected that there would be a reaction to the institutional racism that is being exibited toward people who are white. And this comes as whites are becoming less and less of a percentage of the population. Indeed, it appears that in the future white people will be put upon to an even greater extent.

        • Wayne wrote, “Black lives matter is a terrorist organization. ” Please prove your assertion with citations from non-partisan reliable sources because otherwise you sound like you belong in Charlottesville marching with torches, carrying Nazi flags.

        • John only seems to be able to see what is directly in front of him and not the history of so many of these groups on all sides of issues. If you are marginalizing people, threatening violence and acting it out, such as you spoke about in your article with the BLM, then you are definitely part of the problem and not serving Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior, whether you are a white male or female, black male or female, mexican male or female, Latino male or female, etc… You get the idea. Sin is sin. If you hate your brother by treating them less than they are in God’s eyes, you are in sin, plain and simple.

          The groups that were represented and involved in the violence and intended to injure people with weapons of any kind (mace, concrete filled bottles, cars) were all there to marginalize one another and cause some harm.

      • By destroying businesses and people’s lives ? Ferguson, Berkeley, Baltimore. These Unite the Right people had a permit to gather. They have 1st amendment rights no matter what they choose to say. The violence didn’t start until Antifa showed up. And if you were paying attention, there were many walking around armed and yet not a single shot was heard. Unlike when BLM seems to gather.

              • I dare say they live for the day that they can do what was done in Germany in the 1930s and 1940s. They will not stop until they achieve this nightmare here. They feel like, for the first time, they have made the first step towards their goal. Let’s stop them here.

                • Robin,
                  By dressing up in helmets, masks and black garb, arming yourselves with clubs and shields and attacking people in the streets to limit their free speech, you have become the very brown shirts you abhor from 1030’s Germany.

                • Robin wrote, “They feel like, for the first time, they have made the first step towards their goal. Let’s stop them here.”

                  Let us also remember that while they may believe they have a mandate from the god of their idolatry, Trump, to destroy everything that is the USA, they are also only 5% of the citizens of the USA.

                  Yeah, they are noisy but 95% of us know they are wrong. So let us persist to resist.

                  One way to persist in resistance is my FB group, Gloriamarie’s Progressive Stuff, where I post actions, petitions, info, actual news, evidence, facts. There’s a pinned post that I highly recommend people read. I also ask a screening question so I can keep the spammers and the trolls out. All who read this are invited.

                  https://www.facebook.com/groups/gloriamariesprogressivepetitions/

            • Just to clarify, Maria, as long as it was only one car, you are okay with it? You draw the line at two cars?

              The thing is, crashing vehicles into people is a tried and true terrorist tactic. ISIS has been doing it a lot, lately.

      • I recall “pigs in a blanket, fry them like bacon”
        Stores being trashed, people assaulted
        Being booed when anyone said “all lives matter ”
        Racisms goes both ways
        BLM is also a terrorist group just as is KKK, white nationalist etc…
        Everyone should be able to speak their mind
        No one has the right to incite violence or become violent

      • You have to be kidding me? Tell that to the widowed spouses in Dallas. Most normally BLM gatherings turn violent. I stand and condemn all violence in a protest, being white, black, brown, red, yellow or purple with pink poke a dots. Because I promise you the left will NEVER condemn the “protests” of those they believe in!!

      • Who are you kidding? The blm group has intimidated, beaten, harrassed, destroyed property. And obama and the left stuck up for them. And you didnt see any anti black lives matter marchers show up by the busloads. You dont agree with the stance they took to protect the monument. Some of us do, and its not about race, but heritage. Something I am sure you and the left know nothing about. But you couldnt let them assemble and speak their minds, no! The left threw gas on a fire and got the very outcome you were hoping for. And do you take any resonsibility. Absolutely not! But blm is peaceful huh?

        • “…its not about race, but heritage…”

          *Heritage* my hairy gay ass.

          *Heritage* is nothing but one of your dog whistle words that people like you use to justify your hate.

        • No but apparently you all are. First and foremost, Antifa and BLM are movements not groups and organizations like the white supremacists, some dating back to Civil War time.

          Violence that happens when a protest includes people who represent as Antifa or BLM does not mean that there is an organization who has exhorted them to violence, quite the opposite in most cases, though the Antifa group has made known they will meet violence with violence.

          BUT, the important thing to remember here is that not one of you can justify the white supremacist violence, or their hate-filled agenda historically prone to violence by bringing in the violence of any other people or groups. That is just more of the “he hit me first” BS that so many with no intellect and no integrity rely on.

          The white supremacist groups, including white nationalists and neo-nazis came dressed for, prepared for and willing to engage violence. Their agenda, their message, their hatred is often backed by violence and intimidation. The counter protesters were mostly (but certainly not all) peaceful people walking and chanting against the racists in town. So AT BEST, you have a draw, not any kind of defense when you want to shift the blame and speak of other violence and lie that BLM or Antifa “started” this. The busted heads, wounded and maimed were almost all on the counter protest side and they did not get hurt with cotton balls!

          Maybe you would peacefully welcome racist protesters into your town, most of us just won’t.

    • The two have nothing to do with each other. One is a group seeking to elevate themselves to power to the exclusion (and destruction) of all others. The other is a traditionally oppressed group seeking a fair shake in the world. Violent protests are wrong no matter who participates, but the messages are in no way equivalent.

    • Jo Nickel, welcome to the blog.

      John did address this issue. If you go to his website, where you signed up for this blog, presumably, way way at the bottom, there is a place where you can search the blog. I typed in “black lives matter” and 4 essays immediately popped up.

    • He is not speaking just about the violence. He is speaking about the vile hatred that exists in those who marched with torches declaring their racism an bigotry in the strongest terms. If the march last night had been peaceful, if the rally today had gone on as planned, this essay would still be right and relevant. The views of these
      people are despicable and we need to say so loudly and clearly.

      • Do I need to remind certain tone-deaf people on this blog that three people DIED yesterday???

        A 32 year old woman was run over by a car, and two died in a helicopter crash: I think they were men but I didn’t hear it on the news.

        Now I don’t know who was flying the copter, but it seems pretty clear that there was a white supremacist behind the wheel of that car.

    • Dear Jo, the Black Lives Matter protests are about real injustices being perpetrated against people of color, black people!! These white people don’t have to be in fear of their lives just because of the color of their skin. I’m not one for calling people names but racism is racism is racism !!

      • Whether we feel they have the right to or not, they have the right to. As abhorrent as the KKK is, it still has the right to protest. If it doesn’t, then neither does any other group. We may totally disagree with the messenger, but they have the right to speak their message or none of us have that right. And we have the right to listen to or reject their message.

      • Men and women have fought for the right for ALL people to protest …….. it is an actual constitutional right
        People please arm yourselves with some actual fact based knowledge so you don’t sound like a bunch of idiots

    • Black lives matter groups did not mow people down with a car. Black lives matter groups did not state that this is a “black” nation while yielding torches as they walked the main streets.
      Black lives matter is not asking “to take back our country” and make this a black nation, again.
      Further, responding to an exhibition of hatred by saying “you did it, too” is childish and inaccurate.
      Stay on topic

      • No, BLM just looted businesses, torched cop cars and buildings, killed cops, blocked streets, and a multitude of other illegal acts, but you’re right…it’s not the same thing.

      • Gwen, it is far too early to make such a statement. The facts pertaining to the tragedy in Virginia have not yet been established. You are making assumptions based on supposition and opinion posing as unbiased journalism….nothing more at this point. If it should be determined that the young man in question did, in fact, use his car as a weapon in a planned and premeditated attack, then he will face justice. Regarding BLM, they have behaved despicably on countless occasions at protests across the country and display a brand of racism, intolerance and ignorance that is on par with any white supremacist group or any other hate-based organization. There is NO justification for their actions any more than there is justification for the white hate groups and their behavior. Hate is hate and should be treated as such. Until then, the hate will continue to propagate and evil will continue to spread. Don’t attempt to excuse or rationalize their actions and don’t deny that you are. Your position is quite clear based on your comment.

    • Help me with your logic please. You’re asking about Black Lives Matter protests because of? Are white lives being slaughtered in the streets like dogs with virtually no hope for justice? Or are you just listening to fox news?

        • Teresa wrote, with a stunning lack of punctuation, “More white thugs are killed by the police than blacks
          Don’t buy into the media race baiting”

          Unless you provide evidence from a reliable source that supports your assertion, I am forced to conclude your white privilege is showing as well as your own bigotry, prejudice, and racism.

      • I’m with you but, yes, many white people have been brutally attacked and murdered by non-white people as well. Maybe not to the same degree if you consider all history since the days of slavery. Not that we should be unmindful of that offense but does it need to weigh in the balance forever? Will there ever be restitution? Is there a point from which we can acknowledge the sins of the past and move toward healing? It’s hard for a white person like me to answer that question.

        Despite the despicable racism displayed in the protestors I don’t see the excuse in a violent attack with a car.

        Those of us are in the white community need to stand against racism and protect its victims. Jesus loves us when we’re His enemies, so His love enables us to overcome racism if we submit to Him. If it gave God pleasure to create people of different color, then shouldn’t we appreciate His handiwork?

      • Just not the left. Do the research, more whites are killed by police every year than blacks. I’m not even going to defend violence of,any kind no matter the race or color….but condemn it all not just the ones you oppose.

        • Frank, you might want to revisit the statistics. For example in 2016 Native people were 5 times more likely to be killed by police than a white person. Yet they comprise 2 percent of the population. Black people are 3 times as likely to be killed by police yet they comprise 12% of the population.

          But, to your point your proved white crime is a more serious problem, thanks for that.

    • If you made this comment, you clearly did not understand why the term “Black Lives Matter” was coined in the first place. Some of the worst human rights violations in history have been committed in the USA, at the hands of white racists against black people during slavery, but thereafter. Time and time again, there was no redress for the injustices committed. That’s why the term was coined— American citizens who came to feel like their lives were not valued at the same level as other citizens by law enforcement, the justice system, the prison system, and other centers of power in the country primarily because of the color of their skin called national attention to a problem of unfair treatment that is well documented.

      These Charlottesville racists are protesting because they feel like their “right” to mistreat others is being threatened the inevitable change that the passage of time brings. They are relics from a time gone by, in a world that no longer looks like their vision of it.

      I hope you can pray about what you have just said and think about just how misinformed and hurtful your words are.

    • When there were protests under the banner “Black lives matter”, the protests were in response to a black person being killed by police. The protests were trying to get across the concept that the system is not working, a traffic stop of a black person or an encounter between a black person and police should not be a death sentence for the black person. IMO, the protests that are using the chant “white lives matter” are not in response to a specific instance or instances where white lives were devalued or where a white person lost their life because of systemic racism, they are being held to support systemic racism including the devaluation of any lives except for specific white lives and to resist any perceived loss of white privilege. I see it as one side saying “we are people, too” and the other side responding with “no, you are not”. The fact that white supremacists feel empowered to publicly denigrate others is frightening and is a bigger threat to this country than North Korea and/or Russia.

    • “In a country where Black people can be murdered by police with impunity, we can’t begin to claim that all lives matter.” GRM

    • Did the BLM MOVEMENT declare that this world was theirs to the exclusion of EVERY other race? Yes, indeed this situation is the reason why black people are screaming that black lives DO indeed matter. PRAYING GOD OPEN YOUR EYES.

    • Actually, BLM did not do the same. Besides BLM is not promoting the exclusivity of one race over any other. Please take the time to understand what the movement is about before lumping them into a preconceived category that allows you to justify your ignorance. Yes your willful ignorance.

    • Oh here we go with the white fragility. And the misinterpretations.

      Black Lives Matter – standing up toward police brutality

      White Supremacy- standing up for their whiteness to be superior.

      Really??

    • The BLM movement is about fighting the systemic racism that has allowed killers of black people to walk free while hundreds of thousands of minor offenders who happen to be people of color rot in prison. How do you not understand this? It’s not about black supremacy, just equality. They want their lives to have the same value as the lives of white people. Is that really so scary to you that it feels like racism? It’s not.

    • The difference is that the Black Lives Matter folks have a legitimate beef about racist police behavior and the unwarranted shooting of black people in cop pullovers. The white bigots in Charlottesville have no legitimate beefs. They just hate people because of their race or ethnicity.

    • Just wondering … if you can utter any form of disdain for the racist behavior of the nazi’s in Va rather than attempt to draw some equivelance to a movement of people who are actually oppressed and killed because of the color of their skin??

    • When did they march through the streets bearing torches? When did they claim supremacy over another race? When did they use tactics of fear to try and bend the will of those around them? BLM arose out of frustration at centuries of inequality, trying to level the playing field. Whatever you call this racist nonsense is people already at the top tier demanding that the gap between what they feel entitled to and what the rest of us deserve be increasingly widened. There is nothing that the heart of these two movements has in common, and I’m sick and tired of people comparing them.

    • anyone who believes that black lives matter and the KKK are the same, is in fact a racist. Full stop. Jo, your torch-bearing crowd is waiting to welcome you.

    • This isn’t anything akin to the Black Lives Matter protests. Black Lives Matter protesters didn’t hop in a car and mow down people. They didn’t call out their own militia to patrol the streets and protect them. When it comes to these thugs, nobody enslaved their grandparents, systematically try to deny them the right to vote, shot the when they were unarmed, their churches were never burned, their ancestors never hung from trees, their mothers aren’t being torn away from them and they aren’t being kicked out of the only country they know.

      • I’m not trying to argue the fact that black people were enslaved and treated brutally, but why should white people be blamed for the things their ancestors did? And you can’t assume that just because someone is white that their ancestors owned slaves. In fact, you can’t even say that all black people’s ancestors were slaves. I think we have enough problems in the present to be concerned with instead of blaming people for what others did over a hundred years ago.

        • Brittne, try to hear this, please. The problem here is not “why should white people be blamed for the things their ancestors did” so much as why should we still be honoring them for what they did.

          If you want black people to “get over” slavery, to “get over” Jim Crow and the beatings, lynchings, segregation, discrimination and institutional racism they have endured a century after the Civil War ended, maybe white people should “get over” the Confederacy?

          Whether they owned slaves or just fought our nation to create an independent slave republic, the damage is real and more than one side needs to be told to “get over it”.

          Our problem “in the present” is that white supremacy is still allowed to be a thing, and defended. Think about that.

    • For others who see some type of equivalency between the alt right and Black Lives Matter, can you provide an instance of when any BOM membes said that black lives mattered more than anyone else’s? Would it help if it was called Black Lives Matter, Too?

      They aren’t saying that black lives matter more than anyone else’s. They’re saying that they matter just as much. And before anyone brings up black on black crime, please remember that police take an oath to serve and protect, whereas non-police do not. Therefore, the police are held to a higher standard, as they should be.

    • Was wondering the same exact thing. I HIGHLY doubt it considering the tongue lashing white people got in this article. Shame on their privileged selves for feeling like they had something important enough to take to the streets about.

      • “Was wondering the same exact thing. I HIGHLY doubt it considering the tongue lashing white people got in this article. Shame on their privileged selves for feeling like they had something important enough to take to the streets about.”

        WOW. Bigot much? Are you not even aware that the crowd in Charlottesville yesterday included the KKK and the White Nationalists? That one of their featured speakers was none other than David Duke?

        I’ve heard some tone-deaf responses to this issue, baby, but yours takes the prize.

      • That mix of Nazi, segregationists, alt-righters, white nationalists, white supremacists, and any other bigots in the streets of Virginia didn’t speak for me, nor, I am fairly certain, for the vast majority of white Americans. Maybe that’s why I didn’t feel the least bit scolded by John’s piece. The only thing that offends me is the idea that those floating around in this evil stew in any way represent me, or the bulk of truly decent people I know.

    • Jo Nickel — Your comment amounts to little more than whataboutism. Your need to muddy the issue rather than address it directly speaks volumes.

    • Agree, Jo! I hope this same message was posted previously when the Black Lives Matter people were spewing their hatred and racism. There is evil on both sides.

      • Carol & Jo – let’s say it as it is – I’d like to call you both out as the racists you are. There is no comparison between the Nazis you defend and the Black Lives Matter movement. The Charlottesville racists aim to persecute others, whilst the Black Lives Matter movement aim to defend the persecuted.

      • Great point Jo Nickel, I feel the same. It certainly would be hypocritical of any person to not relate this entirely to the BLM protests, it is no different, except this march is not chanting to kill the police, causing numerous police deaths, while looting and burning buildings and cars, attacking and beating people (except for the idiots in the 3 cars). BOTH ARE WRONG!!

    • Black Lives Matter isn’t saying that only their lives matter. It means that their lives matter as much as anyone else’s. Except they’re not treated as such, there is too much (sub-conscious) stereotyping done by white people that they are treated as criminals when they haven’t done anything, as more dangerous than a white person who has done the same crime. What this in Charlottesville is, is not on the same wavelength as Black Lives Matter, at all.

    • I agree with a lot of what you say, but I am curious as to where I can find the links to your speeches of outrage about some of the following:

      1. BLM, and other rallies where black rights are promoted and racial slurs and phrases like “kill the pigs” are chanted by many members.

      2. Your jabs at our last president who never spoke out about these groups and even appeared to side with them in many instances.

      3. Your condemnation of the counter protestors who are as or more responsible for the violence today than the idiots they were protesting against. As bad as some of these idiots are, they have a right to voice their views publicly. The difference is that when other hate or racial rights groups hold their rallies they don’t get met with counter protest violence like this. The far left has taken on an “Agree with us or you are evil and we will deny your right to free speech” mentality that is just as or more alarming than some of the radical thought groups involved in today’s rally. That mentality is the main reason for the violence that occurred today.

      If the above links don’t exist then to me, you are part of the problem and not part of the cure. The fact is that we are a melting pot with a massive amount of ingredients. Peaceful co-existence should be stressed. There is more racial harmony than ever before in the U.S., regardless of what the media and some others want you to believe. Over time, it will only get better.

      • The difference, dear sir, is this:
        People see and hear empirical evidence.
        We watch the news, the protests themselves, the news conferences with the President (both Obama and the current occupant of the White House). When you decry “racist language” emanating from Black Lives Matter protestors, rational people recall the predicating incidents leading to the formation of the group. You see, sir, young men of color had recently been gunned down by — well, you don’t care.

        Because you think that white men – and women, folks, sad but true! – bearing torches lit in protest of *the removal of a statue* are somehow a more aggrieved body.

        Let me remind you, sir…that statue is of the leader of the Confederate armed forces. The Confederacy is no more. Professing such high allegiance to the Confederacy could be seen as seditious or treasonous, in a bright line definition. In short, these people are not the true patriots they’d have you think. Likewise, they ally with white nationalists, groups who regularly appear on terrorist watch lists. These people do not feel that other ethnic groups and non Christians have the same civil rights they do. This is explicitly contrary to the rights set forth for all in the Constitution and the Declaration of Independence, ironically two documents these groups profess to revere. It can be seen, thus, that treasonous, seditious, hypocritical thought is the basis for the assembly of the individuals who attempted to “Unite the White.”

        Yet our police still tried to keep the peace.

        And the current occupant of the White House still refused to decry them when one of their legion committed murder.

        If you still don’t understand how the deck is stacked for whitey….

      • Excellent posting and excellent points! Not that it will matter to many on here who seem to think that BLM is somehow entitled to act with impunity simply because of past injustices. I would much rather live in the world that your values espouse than the nightmare realm that they would have based on vengeance and the perceived “justice” of these so-called social justice warriors. They have never been about justice…..only payback.

    • Pretty sure that if BLM brought helmets and riot shields… oh, yeah and their own armed militia… oh, yeah, and torches for the love of pete… I wander if they would have been treated as nicely.

      Notice a scale of “oppression” here?

      • Laura Nalle wrote,”Pretty sure that if BLM brought helmets and riot shields… oh, yeah and their own armed militia… oh, yeah, and torches for the love of pete… ”

        Which they have never done. So what point are you trying to make?

    • Exactly. What’s the difference between this racism and BLM racism? One needs to be accepted and demands understanding while the other is condemned. Neither should be tolerated.

      • There is no racism coming from BLM…they are an organization created to help fight discrimination against blacks, and an organization to advocate and speak out about the unfair discriminatory practices against blacks……there is no condemnation to be had for that….ACTUALLY discriminating against people of color, or other religions, or LGBTQ folks IS what the other organization was promoting…these are not even close to being equivalent…these false equivalencies smack of racism in and of themselves…

        • So, shooting white police officers in mass shootings, which John NEVER wrote condemning in this same fashion, was BLM helping fight discrimination?

          You’re delusional.

        • There’s one thing I need to correct about BLM. They’re technically not an organization, but more of a movement. They don’t have an official leader or leaders. Other than that, everything else you are stating are spot on.

      • Beth wrote, “What’s the difference between this racism and BLM racism?”

        Well, for starters, #BlackLivesMatter is not racist. Except to those who are white supremacists.

    • Did the same? What planet were you on? BLM was protesting racist violence perpetuated by the police.
      These clowns are protesting their diminished privilege. White people in America do NOT experience racist oppression, and no amount of whining changes that.

    • Oh yeah, you mean that time when BLM protested AGAINST diversity…or that time when they PLOWED over innocent people? Oh wait… that didn’t happen. Moving on…

      • Very sadly it’s not only the white’s that are racist the blacks are just as bad or even worse because they hate white’s being that way and they them selves are doing it lest we forget Black lives matter, to say the least of black people trying to change history because it might offend them?? I’m sorry to say black people are not the only race to have been slaves in this country or any other.How ever they are the only ones trying to make today white people pay for what happened hundred’s of years ago.

        Sadly but it seem’s that nothing ever happens to any one unless they are black BS. I’m white and been treated like shit by both races all my life so I can tell you that Black’s are just as bad or worse because they claim they are the ones being treated badly and they do it also.All you black people stop you lying and your BS. cause your no better than the White’s. Poor black’s ain’t done nothing BULL&&&& please

      • No, Pam. We’re talking about that time in Ferguson when innocent shop owners watched helplessly as their life’s work and livelihoods were destroyed by BLM members. We’re talking about that time in Dallas when police officers were being mowed down by a deranged sniper and the same BLM protesters demanded protection from the group they were there to protest against. We’re talking about that time at Berkeley when BLM showed up to give their reenactment of 1938 Berlin’s Kristallnacht by shattering every window in sight. Don’t be so deliberately obtuse about these events….they may have been lightly reported by the mainstream press, but they were reported and they did happen. And they continue to happen because people like you somehow think they are entitled to act out, no matter who has to pay the cost. Most Americans rejected the nonsense of the white nationalists decades ago. But thanks to white liberal guilt and false equivalencies like you espouse, it will decades more before we condemn this new racism and finally find that peaceful coexistence that seems to keep eluding us.

    • Jo Nickel, you betray your motives with that post, not John’s. This defensive “whataboutism” is sickening. There is no comparison of motives between white supremacists and Black Lives Matter. That violence can happen when either side stages a protest does NOT make them the same thing.

    • Black lives matter is not a hate group. Do not try to put them in the same category a single the KKK or alt-right. No police showed up to this.

    • Jo Nickel,
      Exactly what I have wondered.
      Two sides of the same coin, and so many refuse to see it.
      White Nationalism and Nazi’ism are flawed and hateful philosophies. The problem is that so many refuse to see their own versions of it.
      Until we (yes, the folks on the Left as well as the right, and anywhere in between) are willing to take the log out of our own eyes, we will ALL continue to contribute to the atmosphere that has led us down this sad and heartbreaking road.
      Pastor, I have read a fair number of your writings, and agree with a fair amount of the content. The political bent, however, is disheartening.

    • Just, curious; did you bring black lives matters as an equivalency of what happened yesterday, or are you trying to deflect because you believe in the sentiments the racist espouse?

    • Yes, true. This may be a backlash against the BLM crowd and their bigotry as well. But a well written piece and carries a good message. Also didn’t enjoy the “church lady” snide remark. No one on my church carries these bigoted feelings as far as i hs e ever noticed.

      • Isolated attacks by Black Nationalists claiming to be BLM doesn’t make them BLM. The Black Nationalists are also opposed to BLM.

        But this is not the subject here. You have these hate groups that want everyone not like them dead or under their thumb acting out. How much can Trump really prove himself to be honest in his tepid denouncements of violence “on both sides” when he has Steve Bannon in the White House Cabinet?

    • I was also curious about that. Thank you for asking Jo. I’m definitely not saying I agree with what these people did, because I don’t. I’m just wondering.

    • Jo Nickel…..and when you were a child and got caught with “your hands in the cookie jar” did you cry……”But “Johnny” was bad yesterday!!!” The topic is about what happened yesterday…pointing out someone else does not make what happened less sickening.

    • This is the only person who has mentioned this issue. Was everyone who loves our country as all of you say you do, ever speak out against the Black Lives Matter people that protest for every word a white person does? Rarely. Blacks are protected as they might get upset.
      That is the whole issue.

    • Black Lives Matter have never called for violence or killed anyone. How in the hell does a group that was developed in response to the injustice of Blacks equate to this hate mongering mouth foaming pitch forks and torches mob mentality of these people? Try something else…

      • As I have told Jo and she evidently chose to ignore it, if you want to know John P wrote about BLM go to his website and scroll way down to the search function, type in BlackLives Matter and you will find exactly what he said.

        No need to bore the rest of us with your constant wonder when it is so easily assuaged.

    • I was wondering the same thing. I scrolled through past posts and didn’t see any but did see some white privilege as well as anti-Trump remarks. SMH!

    • BLM protesters do not walk up to white people and say “you are going back on the first f***ing boat”, They don’t say “Jews won’t replace us”. They don’t chant “Blood and soil”, which is a basic Nazi slogan that encapsulated the Aryan supremacy notion. BLM and Nazis are not morally equivalent. The prism of your racism is what makes you believe that they are. Don’t think you are a racist? Take the Jane Elliot test: do you want to be treated like a black man in the US?

      • Dessie wrote, “We have rights too.”

        In what way is someone asking to be treated as an equal impinging on your rights as a white person? I ask because the deck has always been stacked in favor of white people and it still is.

        No has the right to be a bigot, prejudiced against another for being different, a racist, or a white supremacist.

        Jesus condemns such evil. When he walked the earth, he hung out with the marginalized, the rejects.

        The Holy Spirit is asking people to come out of their denial about their white privilege, to repent, and to live as better people.

    • Great point Jo Nickel, I feel the same. It certainly would be hypocritical of any person to not relate this entirely to the NOM protests, it is no different, except this march is not chanting to kill the police.

    • Good point! So often we hear claims of fairness and equality, but hear cries of hate and racism when one group is tired of getting poked in the eye for idly standing-by while other groups march, burn, and pillage. This is a direct result of other groups taking to the streets and causing public displays of little more than whining and crying out loud. It is a sad display from either side that will get this country nowhere but farther apart.

    • Black Lives Matter isn’t saying that only black lives matter. It’s about equality not supremacy.
      Thanks for making sure everything is “even” *eye roll*

    • His last article was a bigoted screed titled “Your God Might Be Defective,” so you only need look back two days to find his own hatreds on display. There’s nothing wrong with what JP wrote today, but a little introspection would do him well.

      • Are you actually defending an authoritarian, wrathful, bigoted God that is OK with us starting a war with a pre-emptive and guaranteed to kill over a million innocent Koreans and is OK for you to treat people you don’t understand like crap? If so maybe your God is defective.

    • Actually, they did not do the same. This is so false and I’m appalled that you would even have the nerve to conflate these two groups.

    • When the day comes that white people are chained together, whipped, hung, and otherwise treated like chattel by people of color, then you get your movement. You wanna volunteer Jo?

    • What on EARTH can you see as equivalence between a “Black Lives Matter” protest and resistance to a protest against a blatantly racist group? In the first case, black people are trying to impress on the police that black people are being shot needlessly by white officers; in the second, white people are saying blacks have no claim to humanity!

    • Let me offer an analogy. If I have been devastated by lung cancer and I decide to have an event to raise awareness about lung cancer, does that mean that I need to shout down folks who raise funds for breast cancer, or bone cancer. No I would not do that. And if others who wanted to raise awareness about other forms of cancer decide that I need to be vilified because I’m selfish or self-service because I want to support the elimination of my cancer, not theirs, then they are WRONG. That does not make me evil and THEY ARE WRONG.

    • The black lives matter protestors didn’t run anyone over with their vehicle. They were actually protesting for a good cause. Police and other people have been killing their people without being punished. Not because of some stupid statue.

    • Thank you Jo Nickel, I was wondering the same thing. As a Christian what are we to do with groups like BLM, Antifa etc., Alt Left groups, running violently ruff shod across this country tearing down everything ‘they’ don’t like? Are we just to be doormats and let them have their way ?

    • does it really matter? Hes doing it now. He finally got to the place where he felt he had to speak to a group who might not want to face it.

    • “Haven’t heard of you before, but just wandering if you posted the same type of message, when the large “Black Lives Matter” protesters did the same?”

      I have never seen him post on that issue — and I doubt he would. However, Black Lives Matter isn’t the issue here — white supremacy is. Black Lives Matter didn’t kill anyone — a white supremacist did.

      BLM should be criticized when they express racist ideas and incite riots. They shouldn’t be criticized when a neo-nazi decides to commit murder.

  6. When rage and nausea and disbelief cause words to get caught in my throat, thank you for this eloquence to share with others.

  7. Once again, you nailed it. You said what I truly believe. So Thank you, for myself and all those who went before who have fought the good fight against racism. Considering my 75 years here on earth, I had hoped we would be further along on this road to equality but it appears that somewhere we took a detour and instead of love, hate is in the drivers seat. What is apparent to me is that people believe they have a green light to carry on their bigotry. Wonder why. Not really, I know why and any reasonable person knows why. When you have white supremacists in the White House, how could it be otherwise. I would also like to say to those who support any of these people you are complicit, you are a bigot and God knows. You may try to hide it but God knows. And I don’t buy all the reasons that you put them there. Baloney, like I said God knows. Peace and Love,

  8. Yes, it is racism and nothing but racism.

    All of you who voted for Trump, anyone in the GOP, a third party candidate, or didn’t vote at all, you are responsible for this.

    Are you proud of yourselves? That demonstration to protest the removal of the statue of Robert E. Lee is really a protest that the South lost that war and if the South had had their way, there would have been another 152 years of racism on top of the centuries of racism before the Civil War.

    Oh yes, I know they claim to be protecting “their heritage.” But it’s a heritage of white privilege and exploitation of black people. What is there to cherish in a heritage that dehumanized countless numbers of people which denied black people every freedom enjoyed by white folks.

    This the Trump Effect at work, own it. Be ashamed of it and repent of it.

    Yes, yes, yes, I know, I can hear you now claiming that we can’t hold Trump responsible for what other people do. Except don’t we always hold up examples of bad behavior and point to the effects it has on others? Yeah, we do that.

    The USA you voted for is a USA of authoritarianism, bigotry, destroying families, discrimination, fascism, gynophobia, hatred of the poor, homophobia, intolerance of a different of opinion, intolerance of people that are different, Islamaphobia, kleptocracy, misogyny, nonpartisanship, police brutality, prejudice, racism, in favour of rape, in favour of sexual assault, in favour of sexual harassment, in favour of sexual molestation, transgenderphobia, white supremacy, and xenophobia.

    There are only two things that trickle down and both are trickling down from the White House and onto the populace. It’s your choice to embrace it or resist it. The two things are dysfunction and Bravo Sierra.

    I choose to resist. One way to persist in resistance is my FB group, Gloriamarie’s Progressive Stuff, where I post actions, petitions, info, actual news, evidence, facts. There’s a pinned post that I highly recommend people read. I also ask a screening question so I can keep the spammers and the trolls out. All who read this are invited.

    https://www.facebook.com/groups/gloriamariesprogressivepetitions/

    And here is an image of the second thing that trickles down: http://imgur.com/gallery/pcW6a

    • I expected Trumpsters would be scapegoated for this by someone here.

      I abhor what they are doing, but I don’t own it because I voted pro-life. How about you be ashamed of the abortion mills you vote for and repent of your support of this grave injustice (which your church condemns, btw)?

      And thank Obama for leaving this country with more instead of less racial divisiveness.

        • C’mon, Mr. Pavlovitz. Ms. Amalfitano’s blanket condemnation of everyone who didn’t vote for Hillary (roughly a quarter of a billion people when you add up everyone she pins this on) is total “bravo sierra,” as she puts it. Just look at the myriad of people below who called her on it. I’d imagine you probably don’t believe it, either. Yet you let it pass and go after Joe Catholic? What he said about her post was completely true (though would have been far stronger without that last part). If you’re going to call out BS, do it on both sides.

          • Gloriamarie has a right to condemn Trump voters because most of them won’t own up to what they have done. It was the Trump voters that got us to this point. No one else put him into the Presidency. I don’t care why people voted for Trump, the deed is done. What I care about is what are you going to do to protect those that are truly threatened by these “alt-right” folks.

        • Pastor John as a Christian I pretty much agree with your article however you lost my ability to share it on Facebook with your last line about the “kissing behinds” . I read your web page and you say you want to reach people with the red letters, well I have never read that type of verbage in the red letters. Omitting that last sentence or saying it differently would not have changed the validity of your opinion on this subject but adding it takes away from your character as a Christian and a Pastor. “Let no unwholesome word proceed from your mouth, but only such a word as is good for edification according to the need of the moment, so that it will give grace to those who hear. ”‭‭ Ephesians‬ ‭4. I don’t believe those particular words bring Grace to the hearer, Unsaved people are not impressed that you make a vulgar statement sound a little less vulgar, they know what it really is, crass.

        • Is it? Say, from a “defective God?” Perhaps you should address your own bigotries before you point fingers at others.

      • Joe Catholic:

        You know what you remind me of? An old record with a scratch in it; the needle jumps back over and over, repeating the same phrase until someone gives it a nudge.

        I’d love to give you a nudge, but I’m afraid I’d nudge you into next week.

        roflol (>L<)

      • Thank you! Excellent comment. I don’t recall any blogs a year ago regarding the violent, destructive protests of that time, that stood for one movement relating to Black lives only. Or perhaps I missed it along the way. As I’m sure we can all agree, every life matters. History is a story of the past, whether it’s good and memorable, or despicable and embarrassing. It’s history, it’s yesterday. And many are reigniting yesterday’s angers. I’m shocked to see people blaming Trump voters. I highly doubt it was a Trump voter that used a weapon in wheels to run down a peacefully protesting crowd. I’m not a protester myself, and probably will never be so inclined. But it is their right, just like all the other protests over the last couple years. And no..I didn’t vote for Obama and I didn’t vote for Trump.

        • Lisa, the list of things you have manages to miss along the way seems like it would be very long. You are using the rhetoric of white supremacy when you equate BLM and the KKK “alt-right” efforts. I am sure you will not accept that, but that is your denial, not reality.

          White people protesting for their rights is ridiculous on the face of it, much less comparable to the issues that the minority communities have faced for centuries.

          To drag that in here only proves who is choosing to be part of the problem and why white supremacists are so emboldened by Trump and folks like you.

          • Most of these people are not equating the two groups, although most these posts should clarify. I believe this alt right group to be monsters and their motifs are nothing noble such as BLM beliefs, but I can see where people are wondering why it’s okay for these BLM protesters to destroy public property and shout for the killing of police and commit other acts of violence. Every groups bullshit should be called out, but BLM as a whole still was started with more noble intent than these idiots in Virginia.

          • I assume, then, since you seem to want infer guilt by association on Trump voters for this guy’s murderous actions, that you have no qualms about anyone who takes the same approach to the GOP softball shooting, or the whacko in Portland who stabbed those people on the light rail, who were both Bernie Bro’s.

            Or we could leave out who they voted for, and just lock them up for life.

        • On what planet do you think there isn’t any possibility that the murderer (yes, that is the CORRECT word) was not a Trump voter? HIS OWN MOTHER said that he was at a rally to SUPPORT Trump. Which is exactly where he was. Get your head out of your ass sweetheart. Maybe find a 3 year old with a learning disability to tutor you in logic and reading comprehension. You may not be a Trump voter, but you are an apologist for his rhetoric.

      • Yes, President Obama had the audacity to be black. That’s the only way he contributed to the divisiveness. Racists came crawling out of the woodwork in protest and the GOP encouraged them for short-term political gain. You’re showing your own bigotry with your words.

      • All the speeches Pres Obama made on race were conciliatory and enlightening. The fact that the pigment of his skin brought submerged, hidden racism out into the open is not a reflection on him, but on the racist individuals who un-masked themselves and the organizations and politicians who exploitatively fanned the flames to try and gain power.

      • Joe, when they showed up wearing Trump hats, explaining they were helping carry out Trump’s agenda and taking their country back, even you should expect Trump to be blamed. He has fed, winked and nodded to the white supremacists in this nation since his campaign began. They DO support him and he did not have the moral fiber to even call them out.

        We are living in divided times not unlike before the Civil War IMO. The difference then and now is that they were not at all afraid to say it out loud and let their bigotry, racism and political superiority motives show. People seem afraid to use the words ‘white supremacists’ when that is exactly what was on display. That they had Trump hats or signs is no reason for Trump or any other pol not to call this the white supremacist terrorism it is.

        Trump offered: “condemn in the strongest possible terms this egregious display of hatred, bigotry and violence, on many sides. On many sides…”

        NO, one side is wrong and the other is standing up to their racism and hateful rhetoric. “Both sides” do not scream racist, anti-Semitic things. “Both sides” don’t believe in the superiority of one race. “Both sides” do not shout they are “taking their country” back, wearing Trump hats!

        This was an act of terrorism. When white supremacists want to march and protest in any city, they need to be rebuked and repudiated, calling them what they are, not just acting like they were some kids acting out. No city should be expected to allow that into their community and peacefully stand by as they pretend their agenda is legitimate. They were saying they were fulfilling Donald Trump’s ideas on “taking their country back.” That is deeply wrong and it needs to be very strongly rebuked not defended and Trump failed yet again to offer anything to a nation in turmoil.

        • gdd, do you believe that people who voted Democrat like I have all my life have no responsibility in this mess? In my younger days being a Democrat to me meant taking care of others and fighting, as a part of the working class, for all, everyone. Equally – white, black, brown, LGBTQ, immigrants – everyone.

          Somehow I think we let the Republicans, or the Religious Right or life or whoever pull us into these mini wars – women’s rights, equality for black people, equality for LGBTQ, the assault on immigrants, etc.

          I believe that the working class is the engine that keeps his country functioning. Somewhere we lost our united front to forge ahead together for the good of all because we spent our time thinking we were putting out fires. Turns out we left them smoldering. We still have so far to go. It seems they have all flared up at the same time.

          Do you think maybe if we had forged straight ahead, never breaking hands with each other there would have never been a chance for others to carve out a segment to discriminate against or abuse?

          All our energy was splintered. The Republicans spent 2 decades demonizing the Clintons. They managed to stain her. Maybe we were somewhat arrogant in thinking we knew everything. Democrats did nothing to curtail the huge gap between the haves and the have nots. We are so top heavy we are now on the verge of tipping over.

          History tells us that the economy does better under Democrat Presidents. More people working, making a living wage, are better equipped to take care of those in need. No one wants for everyone to share everyone else’s wealth. That is the boogie man story the wealthy tell. Everyone who wants a job is willing to work to have a life. We lost that thread.

          As an aside I do not understand why Neo-Nazi’s or the KKK are even given a voice. One called for the elimination of all Jews – the other for the hanging of all black people.

          And then there is Trump – who has exploited racism since his birther campaign just because he could. I do not see a soul in this man. I think he has no honest human emotion except for self preservation.

          Just my ramblings.

          Peace gdd

          • The deed is already done, Joanne. Trump is President and Pence, an unrepentant Dominionist and enemy of the rights of those that are not Fundamentalist Evangelical Christians, is VP, probably soon to be President himself. We now must move forward and organize against the forces of darkness.. If we unite and organize we might be able to affect change. If not we may save many lives.

            • Robin, I absolutely agree 100% they we need to move forward. History tells us that when more people vote Democrats win.

              Republicans got that message and learned. Thus we have gerrymandering and “voter rights” policies in so many states where they have power. They are systematically trying to silence every dissenting voice and they have succeeded.

              They are busting Unions by changing their states into “right to work” states which translates to lower wages and higher profit margins.

              We need to make sure every voice is heard – to learn from them – how can we learn how to reach people if we do the same as Republicans?

              Republicans want the average person to work for a low wage, pay for their own health care and save for there own retirement. That is an impossible task for the majority of workers.

              We shouldn’t have to urge or beg people to vote but that is the way life is. I feel if they understood how bad policies can affect their lives they would understand the importance of voting. Even food can be a major drain on the average person’s income when it is but a drop in a bucket to the wealthy. Discrimination against anyone is evil.

              We need to take back states before we can take back the country for every citizen not just the rich and powerful.

              Just my opinions.

              Peace Robin

                • Robin, In a sense, under the Electoral College millions of votes have not counted nor will they. Twice a Republican has won the Presidency by the Electoral Vote and lost by the popular vote.

                  Peace Robin

                • Robin wrote , “I can now imagine millions of citizens registered and eligible to vote on the 2016 and 2018 elections saying “My vote wouldn’t have counted”.

                  I hope that people who did not vote or voted for a third party are now kicking themselves saying, “I could have prevented this.”

          • “All our energy was splintered. The Republicans spent 2 decades demonizing the Clintons. They managed to stain her. Maybe we were somewhat arrogant in thinking we knew everything. Democrats did nothing to curtail the huge gap between the haves and the have nots. We are so top heavy we are now on the verge of tipping over.”

            Oh, yeah, we were more than somewhat arrogant. I know that with the election of President Obama I really felt we had reached — if not the peak we were more than half-way there. And then came the election of Trump. I promised myself I would never again be so complacent. And just to go the other way I am kind of obsessing on what is happening now in the country that I thought was going along so well — even if the Republicans in Congress did seem to be obstructionists.

            There have been many articles about how the Democrats need to quit expecting the same old talking points to resonate with a whole new generation and a whole population that is much more diverse and build an agenda that actually will do something for the American nation. I know he is young, but I have been very impressed with Joe Kennedy III. I didn’t vote for Bernie Sanders, but I am leaning more and more toward some of his agenda. When I was growing up, being a Socialist was not approved of, but I see the Socialist agenda (at least what I know of it, which is not much) as being more and more in line with what we need to do to care for all the people of our country. If there does need to be a civil war, I think it should be started by the majority of the populace against the big money that has turned our politicians into working for others than their constituents. I mean both Democrats and Republicans. If even half the money that was spent lobbying for particular causes was spent on organizations trying to help those in poverty, the marginalized, the prisoners unjustly convicted and jailed, we would be a whole lot closer to solving some of the problems that cause protests by people just trying to be included in what the Constitution of the country in which they were born guarantees them.

            • Kathleen Dale, I absolutely agree with you about the money! I think it is a sin that so much is spent to buy power when it could have done so much good. I don’t know how to turn around that runaway train. It is like our country is for sale. Everything is about money. The rich and powerful already have a get out of jail free card – why to they want the whole country? They can’t make money in a vacuum – they need us working.

              Peace Kathleen Dale

              • Dear Kathleen Dale:

                ‘… the populace against the big money that has turned our politicians into working for others than their constituents.’

                NOW we’re getting places!

                Blessings!

          • Dear Joanne Musto:

            First, thank-you for standing for justice all your many years! God bless you for this!

            Next, I believe that I share responsibility for ‘the mess we’re in’ because I have not worked harder/sooner/more loudly for justice all these years.

            Third, I believe that the 90% has no voice in official politics, and that neither the 1% or the other 9% has anything to offer but a few slogans and scraps. Both parties are too deeply invested in the status quo to offer solutions to anything.

            Fourth, the only way we can avoid catastrophic world war is for the whole working class to unite and intervene directly into political process to stop it and the destruction of the nation. This must happen independently of both Republican and Democrat leadership.

            Lastly, the working class/proletariat/90% alone can represent the working class. And it alone can find solutions to any of the crises besetting our world. Power to the people!

            Blessings!

            • gdd, I have one son who, even knowing he is going to be greeted with a Bronx cheer, a thumbs down and a shout out for being a human rights abuser, purposely wears Nike and lets me know he has just done his shopping at Walmart. My one person boycotts matter to no one but myself and is only a source of maybe a little pride but mostly affectionate humor by my children.

              Some people who have huge voices like Michael Jordan have taken millions from Nike for years without ever mentioning their history of decades of horrid human rights abuses He also has not been as vocal about abuses against black people as other athletes. His silence speaks volumes.

              My personal sad experience was with Bruce Willis. He was “my guy” since he was on TV in Moonlighting. I watched every Die Hard movie many times. Then, he gave his voice in support for The Wounded Warrior Project, when, with just a click of a button, you could see that WWP spent more on Administration parties and events than it did on helping veterans. I was crushed. I have heard the administration has been changed since then. But, to me they, along with Bruce Willis, have lost their luster and I look to other charities when I have donated in veteran’s names.

              It is easy to see injustice, but much harder to find a way to stop it. It seems no one has come up with the answer to stop this high speed train.

              Our President used a meme of a speeding train hitting an image of a CNN reporter. This was the same week an innocent person was killed by a car used as a murder weapon. Trumps self absorption knows no bounds.

              Peace gdd

      • Abortion mills? Are you actually serious? Obama is somehow more divisive than Trump? You can’t be serious. No cognitive being with the (apparent) ability to type complete sentences could mean that a woman’s constitutionally protected right to decide what happens to her body is the same thing as tiki torch wielding racists marching on college campuses. Also ,it’s not scapegoating Trumpsters if the KKK leader publicly names Trump as the reason they’re marching. I realize this is probably a bad moment for you, because he’s become impossible to defend. Nobody likes to be wrong…but maybe it’s time to stop blaming democrats, abortion, women, minorities, immigrants, non-christians, and the media when things like this happen. It makes you sound illogical and desperate.
        PS- Im a college educated white girl Christian former republican, if you want to get all snowflakey and “identity political” about it. Somehow, with you, I feel like that might make you hear me more clearly.

      • Once again, (I cant believe I find myself constantly explaining this) Obama’s presidency only drew back the cover and revealed the hidden roaches underneath that was already there of a racist America. A Trump presidency has now emboldened those cowards to actually march in the streets with their chests stuck out. And as far as the “abortion mills” you speak of, I find it interesting when people are against abortion, are pro life, but are against children that are born not getting any assistance or health care!

      • You do realize that Robert E. Lee was a Democrat, the Southern Rebels were Democrats, and the people fighting to end slavery and oppression of the black people were the Republicans! Blaming Trump and the GOP for this is just plain ignorance!!

        • No Deb, the “plain ignorance” is pretending the conservative Democrats of the Civil War and Jim Crow era are the same Democrats of today or that the liberal Republicans of the Civil War era are the same Republicans of today. Neither history or research is that hard. Integrity matters.

        • Is it also willful ignorance to say that the Democratic and Republican parties are anything like they were in the 1860’s. The current GOP is as far from the party of Lincoln as it can be.

    • I am sorry? I voted libertarian and am responsible for this? So if I did not vote Democratic and agree with you I am a bigot by default. Take a look at your definition of cause and effect before you point that finger.

      • Scott wrote “I am sorry? I voted libertarian and am responsible for this?”

        Yup.

        I have yet to meet a libertarian who is not a bigot, one way or the other.

    • People who voted for Trump didn’t cause this. INDIVIDUALS caused this. Don’t turn this terrible act into a political post, and then a promotion for your blog where you’re going to block people who don’t agree with you. This event is wrong in every way. So are so many events from the other side.

      • Dan wrote “People who voted for Trump didn’t cause this. INDIVIDUALS caused this.”

        Of course people who voted for Trump cause this. Who they heck do you thing was marching in Charlottesvile? Betcha they ALL voted for Trump.

        If a person voted for someone who embraces authoritarianism, bigotry, destroying families, discrimination, fascism, gynophobia, hatred of the poor, homophobia, intolerance of a different of opinion, intolerance of people that are different, Islamaphobia, kleptocracy, misogyny, nonpartisanship, police brutality, prejudice, racism, in favour of rape, in favour of sexual assault, in favour of sexual harassment, in favour of sexual molestation, transgenderphobia, white supremacy, and xenophobia, then that person voted for those exact same “values” and cannot be surprised by the violence that results.

        If you want change, join me. One way to persist in resistance is my FB group, Gloriamarie’s Progressive Stuff, where I post actions, petitions, info, actual news, evidence, facts. There’s a pinned post that I highly recommend people read. I also ask a screening question so I can keep the spammers and the trolls out. All who read this are invited.

        https://www.facebook.com/groups/gloriamariesprogressivepetitions/

    • Actually the problem stems from the Obama era racists who judged people solely by the amounts of melanin in one’s skin rather than the content of their character (in contrast to the words of Dr. Martin Luther King jr), lumping everyone into disparate groups. Look at the results in Charlotteville!

      Each person is an individual responsible for their own actions and beliefs!

      • Sadly Scott, Dan and David prove how entrenched the denial and enabling is. Trump supporters have denied his culpability for the racial tensions and problems even as the white supremacists wear Trump hats and carry Trump signs and assure us that they are ‘taking their country back’ and helping Trump carry out his agenda as they march with Nazi and Confederate Battle Flags and shout racist, anti-Semitic chants.

        They came dressed to menace and they did. That Trump nor his supporters have the integrity to call it out, to rebuke white supremacy and in fact try to minimize their efforts by trying to make it about BLM or liberals is typical but still sickening and enabling to what the white nationalists seek.

        Denying what your words imply is not going to cut it.

    • Please remember when you are each writing about how open minded and progressive you are that self examination and honesty and personal responsibility matter most. Speaking about being like Jesus and God assumes everyone is Christian and/or religious and bashing those who vote a certain way is also unkind, ignorant and inherently prejudicial. “Let he who has no sin throw the first stone. “

      • JanD wrote, “peaking about being like Jesus and God assumes everyone is Christian and/or religious and bashing those who vote a certain way is also unkind, ignorant and inherently prejudicial. “Let he who has no sin throw the first stone. “

        As there are a great many people who post comments who do stick their noses in other’s people’s business and identify as sinful that which is not, I look forward to you saying the same thing to the,

        In the meantime, do you really disagree that to embrace authoritarianism, bigotry, destroying families, discrimination, fascism, gynophobia, hatred of the poor, homophobia, intolerance of a different of opinion, intolerance of people that are different, Islamaphobia, kleptocracy, misogyny, nonpartisanship, police brutality, prejudice, racism, in favour of rape, in favour of sexual assault, in favour of sexual harassment, in favour of sexual molestation, transgenderphobia, white supremacy, and xenophobia is not embracing evil?

      • JanD, you make the basic error in thinking that people who are open mined and progressive have to allow for every intolerant, ignorant, bigoted, and racist ideology and respect it. That is not how it works. Being open-minded means processing information based on facts and all facets of an issue. Being progressive means looking for the best path forward not clinging to failed policy or ideology. There is no place in our society for intolerant, ignorant, bigoted, racist ideology and we will not pretend there is. Neither do they have a place in the hearts of those who follow Christ.

        Bashing those who vote a certain way is unkind, but it is irresponsible to pretend some of the people who voted for Trump are not ignorant and inherently prejudiced when that is the way they present. Sadly, it is the way Trump presents as well.

      • Philip wrote,”You’re an idiot.”

        When people respond with name calling that tells me that they have no actual evidence, facts, history, or information to rebut what I present. But their prejudice speaks quite loudly.

    • Gloriamarie, you’ve hijacked a correctly stated “call-out” for your own particular purpose. Shame on you. This isn’t about Trump. This isn’t about politics. This is about racism. The Republican party, even “trump republicans” abhor this, and condemn it. Trump himself has condemned it. When you hijack this statement above, which all reasonable people can get behind, you further the divide and increase the hate.
      Come together. We can all stand against hatred, but we must stand against all hatred… we can’t espouse your own brand of it as any more virtuous, even if it’s less violent.

      • Dan wrote, “This isn’t about Trump. This isn’t about politics. This is about racism.”

        While I agree this is about racism, I disagree that this is not about Trump. Haven’t you heard of the Trump effect? His overt racism is an example to all the other racists who vote for him. With a racist occupying the Oval Office, racists in the USA feel vindicated in their racism.

        it trickles down.

        • And for the record… racism is political. Racism is evil. I oppose evil in all its forms, including Trump, that deranged administration, and the GOP.

      • Dan, and emmett, I get it that you do not want to own the truth, but when the President chose such an awful response, after having run such a divisive campaign with winks and nods to racists, this IS about Trump.

        Many of the “alt-right” white supremacists there were wearing Trump gear and David Duke said “This represents a turning point for the people of this country. We are determined to take our country back, we’re going to fulfill the promises of Donald Trump, and that’s what we believed in, that’s why we voted for Donald Trump, because he said he’s going to take our country back and that’s what we gotta do,”

        This IS about politics which has a terribly deep racism problem. One of the biggest complaints white people had against President Obama was that he “favored” black people and yet his policies did no such thing.

        SOME in the Republican party have managed a correct response but Trump failed miserably. He may try to rectify that but his moral clarity is sadly lacking in the face of Nazi marches.

        If you folks are what passes for “reasonable people” I think we will continue to just turn on each other and remain divided even on accepting white supremacy marches.

        You do not stand with me, you always want to qualify it and demand certain things in return for the magnanimity of condemning even Nazis! I do not trust you to know what hatred is much less to stand against it and help the victims of it.

    • President Trump condemned this activity today in strong words. I might add that I am older than Trump and Racism was alive and well before he was born. Racism and prejudice are brothers. Insecurity is the food of racist and of those who are prejudiced towards others.

      • When did this happen? President Trump blamed the counter protestors. He sent his “regards” to those injured. A White House staffer then reinterpreted his remarks to include words he didn’t actually use to make it appear as if he is a member of civilized society.

    • Your post is complete horse manure and you are a vicyime of the media. Both sides have radical extremists. The difference is when they hold rallies the kkk or whoever else doesn’t show up to fight them.

      I voted for Trump and I don’t regret it one bit. Today, he is condemning the violence and calling for cooler heads to prevail. His predecessor would be taking sides and condemning the police. The counter protestors are a huge part of what caused the violence. The majority of both sides involved in today’s violence are complete idiots in my book.

      • Andrew wrote, “Your post is complete horse manure and you are a vicyime of the media.”

        When the only response someone can make is to call someone else names, then I suspect the Holy Spirit is trying to get that person to pay attention.

        You don’t offer any evidence, facts, history, or information, all you do is insult, which means you have no facts, information,or history to offer.

        Trump’s committment to authoritarianism, bigotry, destroying families, discrimination, fascism, gynophobia, hatred of the poor, homophobia, intolerance of a different of opinion, intolerance of people that are different, Islamaphobia, kleptocracy, misogyny, nonpartisanship, police brutality, prejudice, racism, in favour of rape, in favour of sexual assault, in favour of sexual harassment, in favour of sexual molestation, transgenderphobia, white supremacy, and xenophobia has been documented by such conservative media as the New Republic, Fortune Magazine, and the New Republic.

        Various GOP are speaking out against him.

        If you voted for him, then you bear responsibility for the many evils already done and those to come.

        For those who want to take action…

        One way to persist in resistance is my FB group, Gloriamarie’s Progressive Stuff, where I post actions, petitions, info, actual news, evidence, facts. There’s a pinned post that I highly recommend people read. I also ask a screening question so I can keep the spammers and the trolls out. All who read this are invited.

        https://www.facebook.com/groups/gloriamariesprogressivepetitions/

      • Andrew, like your support of Trump, who also lacks the integrity to even call out Nazi white supremacists as wrong even after today no matter what, you are the problem.

      • I’m curious why Trump is condemning the violence but not condemning the message being promoted by these rally organizers in Charlottsville .

      • Good point about the counter-protesters. They are culpable too if they are being violent or inciting violence. Why couldn’t they have just let the racists have their little parade? They’ve given them more and not less power by engaging them. But evil works in mysterious ways and manages to infiltrate all sides.

        • Sadly, it is no surprise to see the Trump supporters trying to minimize the white supremacist right-wingers who came to Charlottesville armed, carrying shields, wearing helmets, carrying offensive signs, flags, and chanting racist, anti-semantic insults while baiting and menacing the crowd, by claiming the community should have just let them have their way. Even blaming BLM for the violence that happens a their protests but not blaming these racists for the violence here. Clearly Trump supporters share his capacity for integrity and truth…none.

          • The counter protesters should NOT have engaged them. In NYC such groups would not have been permitted to come in contact with each other.

            I don’t excuse the white supremacists, but neither should anyone use them as an excuse to be violent.

            And I didn’t blame BLM.

            • And no one here “excused” the anti-racism protesters who became violent. Hasn’t checked anyone yet, has it?

              The white supremacists came to incite violence, that is an appreciable thing for an open minded person. No one can expect such messages to be welcomed. No one.

              And protest nor free speech allows incitement to violence.

              • It is as if we are talking about aggressive Cancer here and people start popping up saying “what about Chemotherapy? That stuff is poison and aggressive too”. If people can’t tell the difference between the cancer of Nazism and the counter-protesters that are criminally and violently again the cancer of Nazism, I can’t help them.

    • I don’t care how many “blogs” you’ve written…Nor, do I, honestly, care about your opinion. Your ego, to insist everyone believe the way you do and the ignorance, you display, by turning a blind eye to the obvious fact this has been going on for centuries, YET, you choose to blame it on ONE political party and ONE leader, who doesn’t happen to be your choice, is beyond disgusting and mind-numbing. Talk about a racist, egotistical, self absorbed bigot?! Why don’t you take a good hard look in the mirror, instead of promoting your disgusting slanderous words and opinion, further dividing man? I despise ego and all things related. I don’t think anyone agrees with what is going on, right now. I know I sure don’t. But, I certainly don’t agree with you either. Sickening.

      • Phyllis B Ferlisi wrote, “This is all Obama He divided the country and wants him to fail. This is the liberals fault.”

        Clearly you are quite ignorant of the history of the USA and recent events.

        It is shameful that you fail to see the way Obama bent over backwards to establish bipartisanship. What is equally shameful is your apparent ignorance of the GOP’s stated agenda to approve nothing that Obama wanted.

        This country is divided because it serves the evil agenda of the evil GOP.

        • How would you rank their evil intent to save the unborn from abortionists? At the top or at the bottom of their evils?

      • The ignorance on display from the Trump supporters is, as usual, telling.

        John did not claim Trump invented racism but only fools fail to see how he used it. No one cares about your brave opinion expressed from the safety of anonymity either.

        Trump also insists everyone believe the way he does and do as he says. Do you condemn that ego?

        We all know racism has been a fixture for centuries, but politicians who have used it, fed it and tried to harness it have always been called out on it.

        ONE political party elected Trump. ONE candidate fed the fires of racism his whole campaign, TRUMP. And he has proven over and over he is no leader.

        He was not the choice of the majority of America and his approval ratings prove it. Don’t blame John P for your numb mind. Trump is the disgusting, racist, egotistical, self absorbed bigot, not John P.

        Why don’t YOU take a good hard look in the mirror and look at the nation around you that has white supremacists feeling so emboldened. THAT is on Trump. They support Trump, they said so!

        Buy a clue!

      • Phyllis, that is so ignorant that it defies decency. Obama’s election divided the nation because people like you could not accept or abide a black man in the White House. President Obama showed more dignity on one day than Trump has shown in 200. I am sure all white supremacists think this is the fault of liberals who support diversity and equality, to things that are anathema to you all.

        I find it funny how Trump and white supremacists were all over Obama for not offending all Muslims by using the words “Muslim terrorists” but Trump keeps trying to normalize white supremacy as being the same as “many sides, many sides” which is bullshit in the extreme! Call out the Nazi, white supremacist, domestic terrorists you big “brave leader” and maybe then, your supporters will have the decency to do the same.

        • That red herring of not being able to abide a black man in office is tired and really offensive (risking encouraging you with that one).

          I didn’t like Obama. I didn’t like Bill Clinton. I didn’t like Jimmy Carter. I did not like Hillary Clinton. Do you see the pattern? Do you see skin color fitting into that pattern?

          We will happily elect a pro-life, conservative black president (who will of course be despised by the left for thinking outside of the box and going off the plantation).

          • I see all of your patterns, therein lies the problem. Claiming that you personally did not lose your mind and connection to decency over Obama being a black man in the White House does not mean you can speak for the many, many, offensive, racist and ignorant conservatives who did.

            They showed us in their signs, in their effigies, in their daily memes, in their jokes, in their insults and epithets and just in their general disdain. Like those who used Obammy (and still do). It went far beyond the normal political differences (just like it does with Trump only in the case of Obama, there was never an apparent reason…) so we drew our own conclusions from the birthers like Trump, the jokesters with the monkey memes and the Kenyan, Muslim, antichrist epithets.

            Denial is not going to historically be your friend on this one.

      • So he divided the country years ago because he knew that Trump would be elected and wanted him to fail? You are a special kind of stupid.

    • Blessed is the man that trust in the Lord, & whose hope is the Lord. The heart is deceitful above all things, & desperately wicked. I the Lord search the heart, & give every man according to his ways, & according to the fruit of his doings.
      He is the Lord!
      For mine eyes are upon all their ways: they are not hid from my face, neither is their iniquity hid from mine eyes.

      • Erlinda wrote, “For mine eyes are upon all their ways: they are not hid from my face, neither is their iniquity hid from mine eyes.”

        And your point is?

    • God!!! History is history, good or bad. Stop worrying about the past. Grow the “f” up and take care of now. Robert E Lee was a great General before the civil war. Hey how about we get rid of all monuments. Each and everyone of them offends someone. Heaven forbid you’re offended. The world comes to an end every time. Jeeze!!!!! By the way I voted for Trump so blame a deplorable,

      • I think you said it well “Robert E Lee was a great general before the civil war”.

        The civil war ruined him, so why commemorate that?

      • Me wrote, “Hey how about we get rid of all monuments. Each and everyone of them offends someone. Heaven forbid you’re offended. The world comes to an end every time. Jeeze!!!!! By the way I voted for Trump so blame a deplorable,”

        Well, I do blame anyone who voted for Trump, the GOP, a third party or didn’t vote for the evil with which we now have to resist. I thought I was completely clear on that. Please tell me what part you didn’t understand and I will attempt to clarify.

        Those monuments should offend everyone because they are offensive. They celebrate a great evil: abuse and enslavement of hundreds of thousands of black people and other people of color.

        The only people who are not going to be offended by the monuments are locked into bigotry, prejudice, racism, white privilege, and maybe even white supremacy, as are the perpetrators of domestic terrorism in Charlottesville.

        Terrorism is terrorism, regardless whether it is domestic or foreign, committed by USA citizens or not, white people or not.

      • Linda Walmer, do you know how to read? I never said I blamed Trump. Let me quote myself. Maybe this time you will see who I am really blaming.

        I said “I do blame anyone who voted for Trump, the GOP, a third party or didn’t vote for the evil with which we now have to resist.”

    • For everyone replying to Gloriamarie with some version of “I’m not racist,” or “I’m not responsible,” it’s true that no one can know another’s heart.

      We can, though, get an indication of it through their words, actions and inaction. Donald Trump launched his campaign by spouting stereotypes about minority groups, and he expanded that rhetoric throughout his campaign and into his administration. At campaign rallies he encouraged violence, even saying he’d financially support people who were sued for the violence. Once in office, he put his biases into action through restrictive executive orders, installing three avowed white supremacists at the most senior levels of his administration — one is his main speechwriter — picking an Attorney General with a history of racially discriminatory legislation, and overseeing a White House council intended to reduce voting rights. His racism, sexism, xenophobia and so forth were clear, and sometimes proudly touted by him, before the election. Some who voted for him did so because of his prejudices, but the majority did so **despite** those views. If you decided that the economy, a SCOTUS judge, infrastructure, international conflict or whatever was more important to you than keeping a person with Trump’s history and stated views out of the White House, then yes, you own a piece of the toxic environment he’s encouraging. If you roll your eyes at people who are marching and working together for peace and equality, then you are part of the toxic environment he’s creating. If you draw false equivalencies between white supremacists, who came to Charlottesville wearing helmets and carrying rifles and shields to demand continued unchecked power, and various minority groups who march (with cell phones) for equality and human rights, then you are part of the toxic environment he is creating.

      This all may sound harsh. Truly I believe that the vast majority of people seek love, not hate; unity, not division. And that’s supported by comments here that support Trump or try to draw equivalence between white nationalists and BLM. I hear the frustration and confusion behind them. If that’s you, maybe you can also hear the caring behind what John posted, what Gloriamarie is expressing, or what I’m striving to convey. If not, OK. But know there are reasons why we’ve stepped up to have these difficult conversations, and we’ll keep having them.

      It’s that important.

      Peace.

      • Julie W wrote, ” If that’s you, maybe you can also hear the caring behind what John posted, what Gloriamarie is expressing, or what I’m striving to convey. If not, OK. But know there are reasons why we’ve stepped up to have these difficult conversations, and we’ll keep having them.”

        Yes. We will keep having them and, yes, we will continue to confront evil wherever it is found and take action to stop its spread and even do our dang best to eradicate it. Join us, all who want to work for good, for love.

        One way to persist in resistance is my FB group, Gloriamarie’s Progressive Stuff, where I post actions, petitions, info, actual news, evidence, facts. There’s a pinned post that I highly recommend people read. I also ask a screening question so I can keep the spammers and the trolls out. All who read this are invited.

        https://www.facebook.com/groups/gloriamariesprogressivepetitions/

      • Bonnie asked, “So, to be clear, you’re basically blaming everybody who didn’t vote for Clinton?”

        Hmmm…. I really didn’t think I was at all ambiguous.

        Let me try again. If people voted for Trump, the GOP, any third party candidate, or did not bother to vote, then such people voted for evil.

        It is obvious that the GOP has embraced evil. We see it in the horrible budgets they propose, wanting to cut the SNAP budget, the HUD budget, deprive people of medical insurance. Families are being torn asunder. White supremacists feel they have a fellow supporter in the current occupant of the Oval Office.

        Clinton is far from perfect, but she is not the monster the GOP have made her out to be by constantly repeating their lies.

        Please read this article: “The most thorough, profound and moving defense of Hillary Clinton I have ever seen.”
        https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2016/6/11/1537582/-The-most-thorough-profound-and-moving-defense-of-Hillary-Clinton-I-have-ever-seen

        • I would have been voting for evil had I voted for Hillary Clinton. Abortion is a great evil that our nation has embraced, even worse than slavery and racism and I would have committed a serious sin and would have cooperated with evil by voting for a candidate who backs abortion-friendly policies. Trump did not.

          When you can convince me that dismembering fetuses and embryos is good and not evil, I will consider your position. Otherwise, there was no other choice for a person of conscience to go than to Trump.

          BTW do you think white supremacists like or hate abortion, since so many blacks are wiped out by it? (And wasn’t that the intention of Margaret Sanger?)

          • Joe, you did vote for evil and the damage will be clear for decades.

            Your obsession with abortion at the exclusion and expense of any compassion or decency towards the female in crisis is just plain sickening.

            Unlike the evils of slavery and racism these “babies” you see, go straight to Jesus (unless you don’t believe in the mercy and grace of Jesus), the people affected by slavery, racism, poverty, and neglect did not, and do not, they had to and have to stay and suffer.

            Your blinders are tight and sad. Your justifications are pitiful and disgusting.

            • It’s not either/or. We can love them both.

              But your reasoning…wow…why not mow down children in the ghettos with machine guns and “send them to Jesus”?

              At any rate, I am not ashamed of my “obsession” that justice should apply to the unborn, and I have no choice but to put that issue at the top of my list when I vote.

      • The deed is done. Anyone not voting against Trump had a role in him getting power. Please accept some responsibility and work with us to make sure the ones that will not be OK under Trump are protected.

  9. Thank you for being bold, unflinching and clear. I stand with you in rejecting this hatred and racism. My faith in Jesus and my commitment to the Gospel compel me, just as they do you.

  10. Humbly I’d like to add that for every one of them, there are five of us, and though the hateful is loud right now, it doesn’t change the fact that love and light win out, and they will be chased back into the shadows where they belong. Thanks again for saying what needed to be said.

  11. Here is an example of the dysfunction trickling down that I wrote about earlier:

    “Red Letter Christians v. Donald Trump’s Evangelicals” by Don Golden August 2, 2017

    “A candidate for president of the United States initiated his candidacy on a racist conspiracy theory designed to undermine the legitimacy of America’s first black president. He announced his presidential bid with a naked appeal to anti-Mexican xenophobia and promises of a wall along America’s southern border to keep them out. He fed the basest instincts of his base by threatening to imprison his opponent by dog-whistling white supremacy and by demonizing journalists in ways reminiscent of Hitler’s attack on the “Lugenpresse.”

    “Donald Trump assumed office as he pursued it, with attacks on the weak and marginal. Executive orders banning travelers from majority Muslim countries and holds on America’s successful refugee program threaten to deny the victims of the very wars and disruptions that Americans helped to create. By stacking his cabinet with a plutocracy of billionaires, Trump set his agenda against the poor. By supporting dictators like Duterte and Putin, families of “the disappeared” in the Philippines and the Ukrainian victims of Russian aggression have found no friend in Trump’s America.

    “What are we to make of all this? And if this picture of Donald Trump is fair, what does it say about white evangelicals who gave at least 81 percent of their votes to put him in office? And what are we to make of the fact that leading evangelical spokespersons — such as Franklin Graham, Jerry Falwell Jr., and the pastor of the famous First Baptist Church in Dallas — have lent strong support for Donald Trump’s presidency? What does it mean that in the Oval Office, evangelical leaders laid hands of blessing and commission on this president?

    “The above provide ample evidence of the all-out attack by Trump and white evangelicals on the Evangel, the Gospel, and the biblical message of liberating salvation promised in the Hebrew scriptures to the world’s poor. They are also reasons why some evangelicals in America are looking for a new label that expresses their biblical faith without the distorting compromise or toxicity. More and more of us who still hold to evangelical theologies no longer want to call ourselves evangelical and have adopted, instead, the name Red Letter Christians.

    “Those who want to disparage this new movement have often countered that by emphasizing the red letters (i.e. the words of Jesus highlighted with red letters in many Bibles) we have discarded or minimized the black letters of the Bible. Nothing could be further from the truth! We affirm that all scripture is given under the inspiration of God and is profitable for doctrine, faith, and practice. What we Red Letter Christians do insist, however, is that orthodox Christian theology has always found in the words and life of Jesus the lens for understanding and interpreting the Bible more fully.

    “We suspect that there’s a deeper motivation that seeks to deemphasize the words of Jesus. His call to discipleship demands activism on behalf of the weak, a life-ethic of action beyond mere intellectual assent to theological propositions. Many of our fellow Christians have failed to pay proper attention to the red letters of the Bible because the teachings of Jesus have proven to be very hard to follow.

    “The way Jesus ignored racial, gender, religious and socioeconomic boundaries threatens our well-insured, well-resourced, and well-secured lives. What Jesus tells us about what we should do with our money is challenging to those of us who have accumulated an excess of it. What He says about loving our enemies challenges our easy inclinations to support war. Many of us have difficulty with what He says about embracing marginal people when it comes to fully affirming our LGBTQ neighbors.

    “The inevitable moral and political collapse of the American right is prevented, in large part, by compromised Evangelicalism and the congregations it misleads into voting against the teachings of Jesus in the red letters. Theologies that require mental assent but leave our ethics and our politics untouched have left Evangelicalism serving as the court religion for the Republican Party. Theologies heavy on Paul but detached from their roots in Jesus and the Hebrew scriptures have inoculated discipleship from the radical lifestyle prescribed by Jesus in those red letters.

    “Has the time come for you to join us and to commit to taking the red letters of the Bible seriously and adopt its difficult lifestyle? Is your church feeding your complacency? Do you need to take your faith to the streets? Who do you need to stand up for? Is there a march you need to attend? Do you need to give your money away? Are you ready to face the enemies of the righteous? Are you ready for the persecution that Jesus promised?”

    from: https://www.redletterchristians.org/red-letter-christians-v-donald-trumps-evangelicals/

    • Sounds more like you could be bigoted to others as well. Covering everyone that voted differently than you as racist is not what this country was built on. So the moral answer to all of this would be to elect someone else with no moral character also? We did not have good choices with either candidate. No, the pendulum swung to the left from not taking care of the conservative voter that now it swings too far to the right. All those who were in the majority for the past eight years and did not take care of the minority own this problem. Is what is happening now racism? Yes, but to lump all those who think differently than you in one evil group is no better. And no, I did not vote for Trump or Hillary so stick that in your pipe and smoke it.

        • Thank you for making my point. I find it ironic how easy everyone on this page, everyone, condemns each other and really does not listen to each other. And for the brainwashed by GOP? You stupid idiot, I do not even listen to stories on either side but educate myself. So next time you want to judge someone, judge yourself. I see a lot of judgment on this page including John P. Figure it all out for yourself because you’re not open to anything while claiming to be so Christ like. Don’t bother to respond, I will never be back.

          • Todd wrote, “You stupid idiot, I do not even listen to stories on either side but educate myself.”

            When someone calls me names, all that does is tell me that person has a prejudice they cannot support with any citations, evidence, facts, history, or information.

            I supplied you with an excellent article to read about Hillary and clearly, you chose not to read it.

            Todd, you may wish to embrace evil, but the majority of us will not.

            • The way you sling your judgment about others shows just how un-Christ-like you really are. Take a good look at your self before others. Also, I have read that article about Hillary, still does not change my mind and how close minded you come across in these comments. You will not change my mind and I will not change yours and we could agree to disagree but if someone had different viewpoints, you were the one to put a label on them. Your comments just add to the fire of a liberal with no grace for others. Your “embrace evil” comment shows to me just how far from Christlike you really are. Did Jesus call the sinners evil or show love? You have not shown love that you claim to have for others. Turning someone away from Christ by your actions or words, well you fill in the rest. But what you might want to think about, is attacking someone really going to help them come to know Christ?

              • Todd wrote, “The way you sling your judgment about others shows just how un-Christ-like you really are. Take a good look at your self before others.”

                Interesting response to nothing I did. Which one of us called the other “a stupid idiot?” That was you being judgmental not me, so please take your own advice.

                “I have read that article about Hillary, still does not change my mind” Well, if you prefer to embrace lies and prejudice and turn your back on the well-documented truth from reliable sources, then that is your choice. It grieves the Holy Spirit but that is between you and She and is none of my business. I did my part, I offered , you rejected.

                If it is “close minded you come across in these comments” to refuse to tolerate authoritarianism, bigotry, destroying families, discrimination, fascism, gynophobia, hatred of the poor, homophobia, intolerance of a different of opinion, intolerance of people that are different, Islamaphobia, kleptocracy, misogyny, nonpartisanship, police brutality, prejudice, racism, in favour of rape, in favour of sexual assault, in favour of sexual harassment, in favour of sexual molestation, transgenderphobia, white supremacy, and xenophobia, then color me close-minded and I’ll carry that title with honor.

                “But what you might want to think about, is attacking someone really going to help them come to know Christ?”

                Apparently, you don’t consider your ad hominen remarks to be an attack of me. Yes, those words will really attract people to the Jesus you have recreated in your image.

                Either one believes Jesus is serious in the Sermon on the Mount/Plain, and in Matthew 25, as examples, or one does not.

                Supporting the GOP indicates one does not because the GOP has zero interest in feeding the hungry, clothing the naked, caring for the sick, providing for needs.

                I personally am quite passionate about these issues. As is everyone who claims Jesus as their Lord from the beginning of our church history until around the middle of the nineteenth when greedy, selfish peopl perverted the teachings of Jesus into the heresy of the prosperity gospel which allows and encourages its adhereants to despise and spit on the less fortunate.

                Since the rejects of society are exactly the people Jesus hung out with when He walked the earth, then any form of the Gospel with rejects them also rejects Jesus.

                • Rejecting and terminating the lives of the inconvenient babies waiting to be born is to reject Jesus.

                  We Christians must vote accordingly.

      • Todd, we were assured for 8 years that we only voted for Obama because he was black and that the black community voted for him based on race, so do shut up saying we are the only ones using a broad brush.

        • No, you shut up! See, we both can act like little children. I never said anything about Obama being voted in on race. So your point is mute and stupid. See, more childish behavior! Are you mad yet? This whole page is getting rediculous.

    • Was Hillary Clinton really any better? As a Christian there are certain values you can not waver on. I voted for the Supreme Court it must be balanced.

        • Sorry John, you just knocked your credibility down a notch. There is no evidence that Trump colluded with Russia. Period.

          • Because you don’t want to see the evidence doesn’t mean there is no evidence.

            First, there’s the email thread and subsequent meeting in which Donald Trump Jr. agrees to take a meeting because he’s told he’ll get damaging information about Hillary Clinton that is coming from the Russian government.

            Second, there are the reports that a GOP operative who contacted Russian hackers in search of Clinton’s deleted emails last fall suggested he was in contact with Michael Flynn, a Trump adviser, about his effort.

            Why will you not acknowledge this?

      • Me asked, “Was Hillary Clinton really any better?”

        Well, of course, she is. For one thing, she is actually qualified to hold that office. Please read this “The most thorough, profound and moving defense of Hillary Clinton I have ever seen.”

        https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2016/6/11/1537582/-The-most-thorough-profound-and-moving-defense-of-Hillary-Clinton-I-have-ever-seen

        Me also wrote. “As a Christian there are certain values you can not waver on. ”

        I agree with that. Which is why I voted for Bernie and then for Hillary. At least they have values. Trump is certainly without morals or values and I suspect the same is true of most of the GOP otherwise they would not have embraced evils such as authoritarianism, bigotry, destroying families, discrimination, fascism, gynophobia, hatred of the poor, homophobia, intolerance of a different of opinion, intolerance of people that are different, Islamaphobia, kleptocracy, misogyny, nonpartisanship, police brutality, prejudice, racism, in favour of rape, in favour of sexual assault, in favour of sexual harassment, in favour of sexual molestation, transgenderphobia, white supremacy, and xenophobia.

      • Me said: “Was Hillary Clinton really any better?”

        Actually, on this subject, YES! Hillary Clinton is indeed a Christian, tried to champion the marginalised and some of those without power. She made huge mistakes in her campaign and didn’t believe Trump could win. She underestimated the power of appealing to fear and prejudice in areas ignored by the government for the past 25 years. She was a politician, she could be mean, she did play the game, she did play a little fast and loose with rules, she made huge mistakes, she was not even a great candidate. She is experienced, level-headed, but NOT progressive in many subjects. The PM of the UK, Conservative Theresa May, is more progressive than Hillary Clinton.

        And this is from someone that didn’t even like her as a candidate. A lot of Democrats, liberals and centralists, didn’t like her either, but they came to the polls to vote against Trump, but not enough in certain states.

      • Tom wrote of me, “You’re a nut.”

        When someone calls me names all that does is communicate to me that he doesn’t have a position he can support with citations, evidence, facts, history or information.

        All he has to offer is a committment to evil in the form of poor, homophobia, intolerance of a different of opinion, intolerance of people that are different, Islamaphobia, kleptocracy, misogyny, nonpartisanship, police brutality, prejudice, racism, in favour of rape, in favour of sexual assault, in favour of sexual harassment, in favour of sexual molestation, transgenderphobia, white supremacy, and xenophobia.

        I refuse to participate in such evil and stand against it with all I am. One way to persist in resistance is my FB group, Gloriamarie’s Progressive Stuff, where I post actions, petitions, info, actual news, evidence, facts. There’s a pinned post that I highly recommend people read. I also ask a screening question so I can keep the spammers and the trolls out. All who read this are invited.

        https://www.facebook.com/groups/gloriamariesprogressivepetitions/

  12. Thank you, once again, for stating the truth – there’s no place in a civilized society for white supremacy, ever.
    America has many problems and many terrific people.
    Live your life with caring for all mankind – color is not the important factor – how you treat others is much more important. Praying God doesn’t ever give up on us ….. I’m a Senior Citizen but am working hard to leave a positive imprint on America. God help the USA be a plus for humanity worldwide – not another “hate” filled nation.

  13. I cant help but think how pathetic they are. They must have seen Frankenstein and are using Tiki torches. I hope they get a list or pictures of who they are for future job applications.