The Nashville Statement (A Plain Language Translation)

This week over 150 Evangelical pastors and Conservative Christian leaders released a joint manifesto on sexuality and marriage entitled the Nashville Statement. The Tennessee city’s name was attached to the document, due to the Southern Baptist Convention’s Ethics and Religious Liberty Commission’s annual conference in Nashville where the document was ratified.

The statement is steeped in churchy language and dusty religious-speak regarding marriage, creation, gender identity, and sexual orientation, which may be difficult for the average ear to decipher, especially if not raised to crack the code of such theological buzzwords.

Below is a Plain Language Translation so you can hear what’s actually being said here beneath the sanctified verbiage:

Evangelical Christians are at the precipice of extinction—and we know it. We are a profoundly endangered species coming to grips with the urgency of the moment, of our impending disappearance, of the whole thing going sideways here in the Bible Belt—and we’re in a bit of a panic. 

We are leaking people from our churches, watching multitudes walk away in disgust, and losing market share in the religious landscape, as well as the vice-like stranglehold we’ve had on American politics for the past 241 years—and we are rightly terrified.

Yes, we made our bed with this President, which a few months ago seemed like a victory, but we now realize we are inextricably tethered to an absolute monster, and have no choice but to deny Jesus daily and double down on him, lest we lose every ally. However, we forgot that people aren’t stupid, and they see the disconnect between the President and the Jesus we’re trying to simultaneously claiming allegiance to—and we desperately need a distraction to muddy the waters; we need an easy battle to regain the credibility we’ve forfeited as we’ve sold off our souls and built our personal empires.

We know that the only hope we have in regaining a foothold in the culture (as onion skin thin as that hope is), is to stoke the passion fires of our remaining base, who are rapidly dwindling to now include only those most susceptible to fear of the other; those who are most easily aroused by talk of other people’s bedrooms and body parts and marriages. We’re preaching hard to what’s left of our hateful choir.

And so right now, in the middle of an unprecedented humanitarian disaster, in one of the most divisive years in our nation’s history, in a time when we are terribly fractured—we’ve chosen to gather as Christian leaders:
not to condemn the White Supremacy and racism our President has refused to,
or to decry this Administration’s ties to Russia,

or to state unequivocally that Black Lives Matter,
or to offer support for Muslim-Americans,

or to stand in solidarity with the tens of millions who may lose the ability to be cared for,
or to leverage our influence to rescue people under water in Houston.

No, we’ve chosen this moment to launch an unprovoked attack on an easy target.
We’ve chosen to perpetuate and sanction discrimination, violence, and bullying against an already marginalized community.
We’ve chosen to do damage and create conflict, in a time when the world is so starved for healing and so immersed in discord.
We’ve chosen to use our sacred text; not to bring comfort or create unity or engender hope—but to beat the hell out of people who spend much of their days already walking through hell because of the cruelty of our disciples.
We’ve chosen to wage cheap war on innocent and vulnerable people in order to feel mighty again.

We’ve done this because regardless of all our lip service about love and Grace and compassion—we really just like to pick fights that give us that intoxicating rush of superiority and a small dose of the control that we’ve grown addicted to. We really want to hold the kind of power that we’ve become accustomed to (and are rapidly losing.)

And so we’ve once more trotted out every dangerous, Science-denying stereotype, every tired religious platitude about Adam and Eve, “God’s design”, and “ordained differences between men and women”—because that’s all we have left.

We’ve tossed out all but a handful of quite debatable verses from the expansive library of Scripture, and once again chosen to go back to the well of injecting ourselves in someone else’s personal business one more time—in the hopes that maybe it will be like it was in the old days, when people didn’t realize how twisted we’d gotten it and just how little Jesus we were actually emulating, and believing this kind of harassment is redemptive.

We’ve made this “statement”, because those still listening to our message, aren’t interested in loving their neighbors as themselves, or caring for the least, or being the merciful Samaritan, or welcoming the outsider or washing people’s feet (or any of that annoying Jesus stuff). They just want an enemy to wage war with.

And so despite him never once condemning or criticizing anyone for their gender identity or sexual orientation in the totality of his life and ministry—we’ve put these words in his mouth and stood on a social media mountaintop and in our bully pulpits and shouted them to the world in one last gasp for survival.

And we hope that no one sees just how terrified we are of our own extinction.

This is a dissenting opinion, from those of us without fear, who want to lead with love.

 

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324 thoughts on “The Nashville Statement (A Plain Language Translation)

  1. Thank you for always speaking the truth. It is sad in today’s Christian world how little regard is actually given to Christ and his teachings. Thank you for always calling them on their lack of compassion, lack of understanding and lack of humility.

  2. Thank you, John. I want to hold this up to every Evangelical I know (which is a lot of ’em). I want to make them read this. I want them to see how the world views their lost cause. I want them to finally come to grips with the fact that politics will always subsume religion -it never works the other way around.

    But I won’t. I’ll spread this around and hope that a few of them read it. The last time I crossed one of them and invoked one of your columns about BLM, I was told that he would no longer read your work because you were so incredibly racist. People like that are simply beyond reach at this point. I can hope that at some point, something will happen to open his eyes.

    Please don’t ever stop what you’re doing. You and I disagree on a great many things, but not on the things that matter.

  3. https://nakedpastor.com/2017/08/the-triple-tragedy-of-the-nashville-statement/

    The Triple Tragedy of the Nashville Statement

    1. The Theological Tragedy: The American Evangelical leaders’ explicit exclusion of LGBT+ people and implicitly their advocates from the Church, Christianity, and Christ, and their condemnation of the same, exposes their statement as prejudiced, judgmental, and inhumane.

    2. The Pastoral Tragedy: The timing of the release of this statement in the middle of a national crisis betrays the lack of pastoral care of its authors, also demonstrated in the statement itself.

    3. The Prophetic Tragedy: If the authors attempted to model their statement after the Barmen Declaration, also with its affirmations and denials, that was written to challenge the German church’s collaboration with the Nazi state, they in fact did the exact opposite by failing to address the American evangelical church’s silence and even collusion in the rise of fascism, hate, and discrimination in the United State

    • Hi Gloriamarie. I hope all is going well with you. The thing that amazed me about the Nashville Statement was their declaration that if you accept or affirm LGBTQ people, then you cannot possibly be a Christian and have denied the faith—in effect. So, does this mean that if I invite an LGBTQ person over to my house for dinner or to watch a University of Tennessee football game, then I have denied the faith?

      Who do these people think they are to make declarations like that? Are they now sitting on God’s throne in his place?

      • Charles wrote, “Hi Gloriamarie. I hope all is going well with you. ” Thank you for asking, Charles. I am in a great deal of physical pain, actually.

        I hope you are well.

        “Who do these people think they are to make declarations like that? Are they now sitting on God’s throne in his place?”

        Here’s what I know. Jesus tells me to love my neighbor as myself as God first loves me. Jesus did not footnote this statement. He does not include a list of exceptions nor are there any appendices forbidding us to love anyone.

        Jesus also tells us to mind our own business and cease to look for sin in someone else.

        Jesus also tells us to repent of our sins and a whole buncha people need to repent of their abuse, bullying, cruelty, and hatred of LGBT because that is failing to obey Jesus’ commandment to love.

      • Denise Dianaty wrote, “I agree completely with all your points. But, your third point is especially pointed and the most damning.”

        Thank you for agreeing but please allow me to eschew any responsibility for writing it. It was written by the Naked Pastor, David Heyward.

  4. John, after reading the Nashville statement, I have to say that I agree with the letter and the spirit of the document. In this day and age, the world needs to hear a clear and irrefutable word from the Lord on sexual behavior and ethic, as well as the clear understanding of family and what comprises a family. To not do so is to leave people confused and lost, and will have to lean on the views and values of the secularists. While I disagree with your take on the document, I do respect your opinion and right to disagree.

    Thanks, John!

    • 13 of 14 articles emphasized ‘sex behavior and ethics’. Because, this reflected the emphasis of Jesus’ own words – over 90% of the ‘Gospel text’ is about sex, sexual behavior, and rejecting other people.

      Not.

      The “world” needs to hear the salvation message. That has not changed for 2,000 years. “For God sent his Son to save the world, and not to condemn it.”

      Perhaps you meant, “The Evangelical believers need to hear [the Nashville Statement] because their sexual lives are a disaster.” But the “world” needs Jesus, not this stuff.

      • Here’s a relevant extract from C. S. Lewis’s ‘Mere Christianity’:
        “Finally, though I have had to speak at some length about sex, I want to make it as clear as I possibly can that the centre of Christian morality is not here. If anyone thinks that Christians regard unchastity as the supreme vice, he is quite wrong. The sins of the flesh are bad, but they are the least bad of all sins. All the worst pleasures are purely spiritual: the pleasure of putting other people in the wrong, of bossing and patronising and spoiling sport, and back-biting, the pleasures of power, of hatred. For there are two things inside me, competing with the human self I must try to become. They are the Animal self and the Diabolical self. The Diabolical self is the worse of the two. That is why a cold, self-righteous prig who goes regularly to church may be far nearer to hell than a prostitute. But, of course, it is better to be neither.”

    • I know I’m repeating myself here, BUT…

      The church is welcome to its opinion, but it’s NOT the policymaker of this country. If the church wants to keep marriage as a “sacred union between a man and a woman”, they should keep it in the church and get the government out of the business. However, if they want to keep the legal protections marriage, then those same protections have to be open to all. That’s the thing about “equal protection under the law.” You don’t get to pick and choose who gets that equal protection.

      So, the church needs to “butt out” of the marriage question for this country. It’s not theirs to make the policies of a secular government. We aren’t a theocracy.

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  6. Um…theologically conservative Christianity is growing, unlike theologically liberal Christianity…

    • theologically conservative Christianity is growing

      More precisely, conservative Christianity is gaining market share within Christianity while Christianity as a whole is shrinking.

      • Well then Steven. With that vast economic mind of yours, you should also be aware that if the general population is running from Jesus and the church in ever greater numbers—then that is making a big cut into fundie market share. Where did you get you get your economics degree—Sears Roebuck and Company?

    • You can be growing and still die. Just ask any kid—or church—that has cancer. Fundie churches are a malignant tumor growing on the Universal Body of Christ. Surgery is required to save the patient.

    • Adam. yes, i agree. Mainline Liberal/Progressive denominations have been hemorrhaging members for 30+ years (even though the US population has doubled) . They (Episcopal, Methodist, Lutheran, Presbyterian) now have exactly 1/2 the members they once had — [Today the average Episcopal Church has 64 members. ]

      This steep decline in membership coincides with their abandonment of biblical orthodoxy. Each of these churches has undergone upheavals which have caused pain, confusion, sorrow & wasted resources.

      It makes sense, because it’s God’s Word & the narrow path that held disparate people together. The World is only too happy to fill the void now. [btw, the faithful have joined conservative branches of their faith, or non-denominational churches & have stayed there. ]

      That said, I don’t think the ‘numbers’ are important. We already know that God’s people will never perish, and that is heartening to us & to God. 🙂

      • If your growth is based on how well you bash the sinners du jour (I’m old enough to remember when people who drank alcohol and divorcees were terrible, heinous sinners, shamed regularly from the pulpit), then you’ve completely misunderstood what Jesus is about.

        From a secular standpoint, the “Nashville Statement” gives high-minded cover to Evangelicals looking for ways to bash and harass LGBT persons and their allies. Article 10 makes this perfectly clear, as it reads out LGBT persons and those of us who support them from the church. (Not that I particularly care, I’m already outside the charmed circle of the household of faith.) I wouldn’t care if this was merely an internal argument. However, these things have external influence. Every time a city introduces an ordinance to include LGBT persons in civil rights protections in housing and employment, guess who shows up to speak against it? Why, that would be Evangelicals. Every.single.time. And it’s because they’re influenced by the bigotry of the “Nashville Statement.” It doesn’t seem to have occurred to them that helping people to be able to earn money to live and have shelter might be a basic thing that Jesus said Christians should be about in Matthew 25:31-46. No, instead they have to show their purity by signing the “Nashville Statement” and proclaiming the same on Twitter. Good, we know who they are.

        I find it highly ironic that my evil, too big to fail employer has better interpersonal ethics than the Nashville Statement. But I’m not surprised. I’m in the process of doing a statistical study of the 194 signers of the Nashville Statement and all but two of the signers work in seminaries, churches or parachurch organizations. In other words, they’re in a self-reinforcing bubble where men are superior to women and people of color barely exist. If these guys (and they’re mostly white guys at 80 percent) had to come out and work with the rest of us, they’d learn real quickly that their words and behavior towards other human beings are unacceptable and not conducive to the smooth conduct of business.

        And to be perfectly honest, I’d rather go to hell than worship the god of the “Nashville Statement.” Thankfully that god doesn’t exist.

        • Also, they’re mostly Calvinists, a subsect of Christianity involving belief in Limited Atonement, i.e. that Christ died only for the pre-chosen Elect, and that everyone else is predestined to damnation.

      • Numbers do not reflect truth. You should know that Leslie. Wide is the gate and broad is the way—and when every American is howling away in a fundie Megachurch in vast numbers—that is when you worry because people will seek in vast numbers the churches that are against Christ and supportive of their worst sins and prejudices. People a leaving the mainline churches because they hate Jesus and his love—and want no part of it—because really following Jesus and taking all his words seriously are really hard to do—and we live in a soft culture where people run from anything hard to do. If you hate black people, you are going to naturally gravitate away from The United Methodist Church and run toward a Southern Baptist Church so you can be with people who think and hate just like you do—and love money and material things—and get it all blessed as “the obvious favor of God on all that you are.”

      • Leslie Marshall, according to the research and polling organizations, including the conservative Barna Group, state that ALL churches are hemorrhaging numbers/members. Yes, some more than others, but ALL are affected by those voting with their feet.

        The Southern Baptist Convention is so worried that it is taking steps to seek ways to retain folks. For fundamentalist/conservative/evangelical churches the issue is that those most inclined to abandon the churches are the youth. And the reason that they do is the hate and discrimination they and their friends experience. Youth don’t have the issues with their LGBTQ siblings & friends the way their parents do. So they are leaving and not likely coming back.

  7. So eminently stated, John. You’re the bestest, my friend. Am forwarding this to a couple of ex-pat Canadians who signed that Nashville Noise = Don Carson and Mary Kassian.

  8. Dear John Pavlovitz and Friends:

    Before John Pavlovitz wrote his main blog piece about the so-called “Nashville Statement,” I wrote up and posted my own main blog article about this manifesto. You may read it at the following safe link:

    https://faith17983.wordpress.com/

    By all means—spread the John P. post and my post to all of your friends and neighbors here in the United States and around the world, including to your fundie and nonfundie pastors. I want the whole world to read what John P and I have to say about this so-called “Nashville Statement.” I plan to slightly edit for typos and post the complete John P. post on my own blog so his work can have the benefit of my extra readers. I plan to send copies of my post and his to the Editors of the major metropolitan newspapers in Tennessee, and you can feel free to send copies to your newspaper editors if you wish. All of you LGBTQ folks who visit this blog—the Nashville Statement was aimed at you and at turning Christians and the American public against you in the name of Jesus. I would not sit still and let this just pass. Bigotry against LGBTQ people—and LGBTQ Christians—needs to be publicly addressed, opposed, and resisted just to keep you safe from harm.

    • I agree with about .5% of what JP says, but it seems very pathetic that you use his name and his work to promote yourself and beg for blog readers.

      I’ll never read your blog until you allow for comments to be made.

      • Well, I will comment on Charles’ blog post here…

        …Charles is a better Christian than every person that signed the Nashville Statement, combined…

        …and I would trust Charles with my life, and John Pavlovitz as well…

        …but I wouldn’t trust you, Mr. Catholic Joe, or anyone who agrees with the Nashville Statement, with used chewing gum.

        Catholic Joe, bless your heart!

  9. I find this document lacking in many ways. I cannot agree with a document whose self-admitted view of scripture is “We’ve tossed out all but a handful of quite debatable verses from the expansive library of Scripture.” That sentence has so many problems. Which verses? Why are they debatable? Perhaps they are the very texts that need to be examined most closely. And there, that dispenses with scripture. We have Jesus, but where is the Old Testament, the Prophets, the Sovereignty of God. What new translation is this? Translation of what? This is document of well meaning people, who are attempting to reach the lowest common denominator.

    • Lady, if you don’t know your Bible any better than that, then maybe you should consider the very real possibility that YOU are the lowest common denominator.

    • Mrs. Roberts, Mr. Pavlovitz’s “plain language translation” of the Nashvillle Statement was typed out of contempt with the possible aim of throwing shade at the drafters of the document and doesn’t really resemble the original. You can read it at their own website, at https://cbmw.org > nashville-statement

  10. Never Fear Man or what man has set up
    Fear God and His judgement for he can destroy for eternity.
    Obey God and Keep His commandments for he is the Final Authority
    Just Get Ready for the rapture of the True Believers in Jesus Christ
    YOU can do anything you want , but God will Judge Your heart.
    Their will be no escape of judgement for those who have disobeyed unto death and no repented of their sin.
    Don’t Fear Religious or Pious leaders with arrogant religious fever . but fear God who holds the keys to eternity.

  11. I look forward to your posts. I am tired of people questioning my Christianity because I could never support this vile evil man. Nor can I support ANY religion that condones, ignores, excuses all the blatant lies Trump says. I’ve been told by other Christians “I thought you were smart?” I can’t believe the hyprocracy.

  12. I am a PROUD progressive UNITARIAN UNIVERSALIST who is pleased to read this statement.
    I applaud your open heart and willingness to change your views that have been a part of you for many years.
    May we all begin conversations across the wide chasm which isnAmerica today.

    • The way things are going and the way progressives sell out to gain favor with the world or to find comfort in their own sins, some day they will be calling us “hateful” or “bigots” for being opposed to orgies.

  13. John I disagree with many of your ideas but I cannot in honesty disagree with what you have written here. I wish all our brothers and sisters would seriously consider the truth of your words but to paraphrase Upton Sinclair “It is hard for a person to consider the truth when their pay check is dependent on believing a lie”

  14. I often feel like non-Christians or less “churched” people have a better understanding of what it means to love people in an agape manner (not that they always do, mind you), because they haven’t been given all these handy little euphemisms for hatred, bullying, and excluding our fellow humans (e.g. “spiritual discernment,” “chosen people,” “predestined for God,” “saved” vs. “unsaved,” just to name a few). With this toolbox of biblical words and phrases, Christians can ease their conscience, and justify the most horrific attitudes and behaviors.

    Truly loving other people the way God loves us, is a well-nigh impossible, but many branches of the Christian church have had a knack for making it EVEN harder to see what that Love looks like.

  15. Thank you, John, for once again telling it like it is. Of course, Baptists aren’t the only ones by a long shot, but they are very, very vocal and very, very sanctimonious. I grew up in the Baptist Church and can vividly remember being a terrified child desperately afraid I was going to do something that would send me straight to Hell. It was a real place of eternal torment by fire the story went, and one had to be careful or a loving God would banish the unworthy sinner there for all time. The child Joyce was never allowed to question; all of this “thou shalt not” stuff was immutable, and every word of the Bible was literally true no matter how much contradiction there was in that document. As I grew intellectually, I began both to question and to disbelieve. Not out loud. That would have had terrible consequences, the worst of which would have been the endless preaching by my parents and others around me. So I doubted in silence, continued to go to church, and learned to disengage quite effectively. Most of the time, I couldn’t have told you the subject of the sermon ten minutes after it was finished.

    My parents were stricter than most about the things that were forbidden, so I didn’t have a normal childhood–not by my lights, anyway. Movies were sinful. So was dancing. No shorts. No swimming pool or “mixed bathing” as coed swimming was called. In short, if it was fun, it was sinful and not to be tolerated. It is only as I have started to type this that I realize that I still resent my dreary childhood. We were poor, so I don’t resent not having things that I know my parents couldn’t afford, but I sure as heck resent not having what most kids take for granted because some beastly god would punish me for it.

    I stopped going to church decades ago, and I don’t miss it. That doesn’t mean I have no spiritual life. It means that I have made my peace with a benevolent God who I don’t want to disappoint by my thoughts and behavior. It means I strive to be accepting, compassionate, and loving. By no means do I always succeed, but I no longer fear the fires of some future hell. On the contrary, there is quite enough hell on this earth, and I thank God that I have escaped as much as I have.

    • Joyce, you echoed my childhood and I appreciate that. It made me think again why I left the “church” to walk a more spiritual life. Peace.

  16. Evangelicals may call the Nashville Statement “Godspeak,” but I call it for what it is – hatespeak. Hidden in the flowery words and the “biblical” passages is nothing but fear and hate. And Jesus wept.

    • Well, it is kind of like my Uncle Malcolm said, I guess. He was a flaming racist. In my teens, he told me that all black people hate white people for all the evil we have done to them for generations. He said that they wanted to kill us all—and that they would be fully righteous to do it because we white people deserved it. He said that if white people had been the slaves and black people had been their masters, he would have felt the same way. Therefore, it was necessary to keep the black man oppressed for no other reason but to save white lives—to save all white people from the destruction that they rightly deserve.

      I wonder what will happen when the Christian fundamentalists and conservative evangelicals wake up one morning, like Uncle Malcolm, and take full stock of the mean-spirited ways they have mistreated LGBTQ people? The Bible says that you reap what you sow. Fundie Christians have sowed vast fields with seeds of hatred for LGBTQ people. I wonder when and how the Jesus principle of sowing and reaping will come home to roost upon them.

  17. From: http://www.patheos.com/blogs/slacktivist/2017/08/29/on-the-nashville-statement/?utm_medium=email&utm_source=Newsletter&utm_campaign=Best+of+Patheos&utm_content=57

    On the “Nashville Statement”
    AUGUST 29, 2017 BY FRED CLARK

    Loudly prominent anti-gay white evangelicals are anti-gay. That’s hardly big news, but there was apparently a press release or something about it to remind us all of that today. The group that voluntarily chose to call itself the “Council on Biblical Manhood and Womanhood” released a manifesto/declaration reiterating their belief that we must all listen to them and defer to them and bend the knee to them as the sole right and true arbiters of morality.

    They would also like to remind everyone that they are inerrant and infallible and directly inspired by God as authoritative. This is what they refer to as a “high view.” They also claim to have a “high view of scripture,” but it’s not nearly as high a view as they have of themselves as it’s exclusive and authoritative interpreters.

    Those are always the major themes of everything these folks declare or pronounce or manifest in their pompous public “statements.” The minor, subordinate matters addressed in such statements varies. In today’s case — something they call the “Nashville Statement,” Google it yourself — that lesser theme is that these anti-gay self-appointed arbiters of morality and biblical interpretation are, in case anyone was wondering, anti-gay.

    Stop the presses.

    For those keeping score, this is a group of white evangelicals tripling down on the precise theology that utterly failed them in the past. Twice.

    It is a theological mistake, twice repudiated by history and in the process of being repudiated a third time.
    This theological mistake of “biblical literalism” somehow still manages to frame itself as a “conservative” approach to the Bible and to theology. My contention is that there is nothing “conservative” about it. This was not the hermeneutics of the apostles, of the early church, of the Ante-Nicene fathers, of Augustine, or of the Reformers. It did not gain a foothold anywhere in the church until it arose among white Protestants in America as a defense of slavery.

    This clumsy, proof-texting literalism is able to pose today as “conservative” because it has lingered here in America for centuries and theological mistakes — like politicians, ugly buildings, and prostitutes — “get respectable if they last long enough.” But just look at its record over the past 200 years of its ascendance among white American Protestants. It has been consistently, repeatedly, disastrously wrong.

    We know this. We’ve seen this before and we’re seeing it again.

    One, two, three strikes you’re out.
    It is bewildering to think that anyone would turn to such awful creatures for moral guidance. It is far more bewildering that these silly, silly men expect us all to do so.

  18. I learned to speak Evangelicalesse (the language of Mordor) for sheer survival for 3 years at the world’s “most unusual university” in Greenville, SC. Your translation is elegant and I congratulate you on it.

    Although I suppose I should appreciate being multilingual, I really wish I had never had to speak that hypocritical, unchristian language. I do not speak it unless my life depends on it and then I ask the Lord to forgive me!

  19. Apparently, you think that this statement was thrown together over the weekend.

    And your ignorance of both how to read English as it is actually written and your knowledge of biblical interpretation and of church history is blazingly obvious.

    This is a rational statement. If you don’t agree with it, write a cogent refutation instead of blathering.

    • Fred. Even a blind person could read the “Nashville Statement” and understand what it was saying. The John Pavlovitz translation of it from the language known as “Fundie Bullshit” to modern English was PERFECT— except for some typos and verb problems. You must be one of those fundie Anglicans in Canada or Australia. Quit masquerading as an honest Anglican when you really belong in an Independent Fundamental Baptist (IFB) church in Homer Hollow Kentucky: Here are your people and here is the spirit that created the “Nashville Statement”:

      • You also have the intelligence and the following to write a good refutation. I mean, you perceive the Statement as hateful, right? But here you say that the beliefs of the drafters are a dying cause. Don’t both statements echo each other in this respect? Why and how is the Statement hateful, according to you. I understand, but this was what Mr. John was getting at.

        • False equivalence. Hateful and dying cause are not opposites. Neither are a dying cause and having power and money. The Fundamentalist Evangelical Christians have amassed power and treasure to wage the “culture war” they started in the 80s. The Nashville Statement is nothing short but a declaration of war upon the LGBTQ community and their allies. We will see them spend every ounce of “godly” obtained political power and treasure on that goal.

      • Glory in the house tonight! Brother Charles must be endowed with the Holy Spirit because he miraculously received visions of Brother Fred’s life without ever truly knowing him. Look at with how much conviction Brother Charles spouts these truths and how he puts Brother Fred down and therefore contributing to the “angry with God atheist” stereotype who finds it necessary to demean other people for their beliefs. Hallelujah in how he overlooks the problems that Brother Fred may be experiencing home; Brother Charles is a true Good Samaritan, Amen!

        • A think you need to read up on Anglicans. The things Fred said ARE NOT coherent with central Anglican belief today. They reflect only a very small corner of the Anglican church where a few people have decided to become as bad or worse than IFB baptists—or as they call themselves “Babtists.”

          • Another sad example of the fallout from the tragedy of the “reformation.” Give a man or a woman a bible and he or she can be their own pope or start their own church, and without all that stuff they find challenging or uncomfortable.

            You’re in the same boat with them, but more screwed up than they are. Much more. Your Jesus blesses the killing of millions of inconvenient lives. It doesn’t get much more perverted than that.

        • There is no glory here. Only water of those we must rescue from Lake Houston and later this month, the promised destruction from Irma. I might return home by Columbus Day, if I am lucky. I don’t know the day of the week anymore nor do I care. There is no glory here.

    • The purpose of John’s article was not to refute, but to translate. The Nashville statement was written in a style intended to sound godly. But if one reads between the lines, translates what they are saying into plain English, as John has done, there is nothing godly about it.
      And once it has been translated, and can be plainly understood for what it is, refuting it would be superfluous. Its lack of Christian character is apparent on its own.

  20. The line reading in part: ‘We are … losing market share in the religious landscape’ makes it clear how morally bankrupt these people are.

  21. Absolute right & on target with their horrific lack of love, loving-kindness, caring or concern for others! This descriotion is exactly what not to follow or emulate!

    Thank you for your interpretation! And, the ‘Rest of us’ will continue to recognize how little power & recognition they have in our world…

  22. Much needed “translation” so that there will be no mistake about what those people were really saying. Thank you!

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